Elona

Lulwy was here
Mani a loser

>>17330604
No I just visit every like month or so (often less often than this because I have 8 ranches all with rabbits in them, giving me more money than I actually have any use for with the amount they sell for going up as my cooking improves; I also don't brush them even though it does seem like a massive profit increase, because its tedious) and purge them.
Leave them for too long and the place just stops producing more because you run out of space.

Dunno how much more profitable they'd be if I bothered to be efficient with my purging or brush them

I there any way to make pets show their PCC sprite instead of static custom one in various menus?

Does luck really affect Big Daddy or Bell spawns?

>>17330689
Do you sell it in your shop or to nps traders?

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>>17330704
Take the first frame of their PCC, make a static out of it, assign them the static with shape change but keep custom in appearance at 1 so they still use the PCC when moving around.

>>17330708
http://codepad.org/rSGtFQ9b

>>17330709
My shop. Skins to merchants in my home since you can't sell those in your shop.
Food shop for the rabbit, inn for the milk.

>>17330689
You could also milk them. From what I've seen, just brushing once is enough to make them give +3 milk, and it maxes out at +7 milk after four brushings.

>>17330651
Where are these OP images even coming from, and if you're the one making them don't stop this is fucking great.

>>17330759
Yah. Takes too much effort for my taste but there's plenty you can do to make more money than I do from them, and I make so much money I very rarely bother to collect any money because I never run out unless I go out of my way to burn all the cash

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>>17330794
I make a collage every thread, using stuff you lads post or what I find while playing/browsing pixiv. I made about a dozen so far. Younger sister pack anon is my waifu, I use that spritesheet every time

>>17330756
For how much sells the food(1 item)?

>>17330851
I got no idea but looking in shop strongbox after a harvest it has 3.1 mil in it even though I haven't sold the skins or milk yet which seems decent for low level. And soon I'll be at 100+ cooking so that'll straight up double the food profit making it more like 6 mil. And actually more than that since being a better cook makes them just sell more to begin with.
The only issue I have with money is there being very little use for it that's relevant to my character.

>>17330651
Ay lmao I finally made it into the OP.

Feels good man.

>>17330651
I want to fuck Taiga's feet and have her die at childbirth due to her frame.

is it actually worth using superior material scrolls to sell dungeon junk? I'm noticing that miracle amulets and rings are worth pennies even at mithril/emerald material, but i usually get a pretty good boost by taking anything silk/cloth/mica (Great) and using an unblessed Change Material scroll to get it to zylon, usually pays for the scroll plus some.

I can get plenty of superior material scrolls from high rank vendors if I want, but is it worth doing? I can't tell from shop sales.

>>17330756
you totally can sell skins in shop because I do it and have done it

>>17331259
price mod: emerald<diamond<<<<dragonscale
usually i change material only when equipment's sell price hits the cap for vendors.

>>17331274
Gotta change shoptype for that.I guess its goods?

>>17331306
Basically you gotta check how many scrolls you need for 'good' material since the sequence is now always the same.

Blessed change material: zylon->obsidian->chrome->metal->steel->chain->silver->platinum->gold->perl->griffon scale->dragon scale->adamantium-> zylon
Superrior material:


Unblessed: dawn cloth-> spirit cloth-> dragon scale-> crystal-> titanium ->mithril-> adamantium-> emerald -> diamond -> dawn cloth
Blessed: dawn cloth-> spirit cloth-> dragon scale-> crystal-> titanium ->mithril-> adamantium-> emerald -> diamond -> rubynus->ether-> dawn cloth

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>>17316805
Still alive, just beat the ancient castle. I actually got a nice supply of herb seeds from the non-stop harvest time quests, enough to fill up nearly a whole farm. I think after my first lucky day I'll be able to whip Zeome

I am planning to astral pen Gwen the innocent.
The wiki states that:
>It's possible for her to become stronger than average (like normal monsters during Etherwind or above-normal-level 'out of depth' monsters found occasionally in dungeons) allowing her to not only be resistant to many attacks, but to even wield artifacts.

Would that verison of Gwen be stronger when using the astral pen to copy her?
Will this change her name from <Gwen> to {Gwen} (similar to the buffed monsters in etherwind)?

>>17331446
Etherwind's buff is not applied to copy afaik. You'll only get the better equipment part.

>>17331336
fatass

>>17331328
that makes enough sense, but how do i tell if the modifier is good enough? Is there a good rule of thumb to tell if it's worth spending 10k on a scroll? or 20k?
For instance if I find a Great quality fairy hat with negates sleep and it's mica, then i spend 10k to make it dawn cloth, is that optimal or do i do it again and try to get to spirit cloth?

>>17331446
I want porn of gwen.

>>17331571
Guro? She likes red too much, after all.

2 quick questions.
1. Are there any items that benefit from being cursed aside from flying scrolls? Debating taking the anticurse feat since I have already boosted the weight of Diablo to make it good for 2 handing.

2. Are the seeds you get from harvest time quests effected by the same timer as the fairy and kuromi statue? I do every harvest quest I find and have only ever gotten a single herb seed for my trouble so far.

>>17331596
alcohol, restore potions, inferior material scrolls?, most negative potions, bottles of milk, hermes blood, chestnuts

>>17331569
Check wikia page for furniture, it shows exact price multipliers for materials.
AS a rule of thumb i dont use scrolls on stuff that can be sold cheaper than 10-15k to vendors
Wiki had a page with price multipliers by item type but i cant really be arsed to look for it right now. I remember popes robe and panty having crazy price multiplier tho.
>>17331596
1. Potions of descent, whisky and some others. Some equipment protects from cursed words as well.
2. herb seeds are rare. do more quests.

>>17331611
oh ok, i gotcha. interesting rule, that sort of eliminates even miracle-level jewelry that i've found, and most equipment. I'll hunt around and try to keep sales logs. Thanks!

>>17331583
I'd rather reverse guro. Nothing like an insane loli shredding your dick to bits with her shark teeth and good old snuff. That'd probably be more suitable for pitiless gwen though.

>>17331610
What does cursed inferior do? I thought it didn't apply to the new progression system whereas in the past it actually gave you a higher chance of raw.

>>17331623
Well you basically waste a lot of time with those scrolls on mediocre stuff while then you can spend it on single aurora ring from moyer's shop or on some crafted(on a lucky day) panties to make a dragonscale bikini armoure that's worth more than a palace(maids included)

>>17331633
? thats not reverse guro. thats just guro.

Do herbs root?
If yes then where should I store them?

>>17331683
I've got a stack of like 300 herbs in my home that were originally in my first home 4 in game years ago. I doubt they rot.

>>17331660
I thought guro generally meant inflicting upon girls and reverse would be the girl inflicting upon the MC but it's not really my thing past crush. So if I'm into giantess killing me I've been into guro this whole time? Fuck me.

Also when you say guro I think of this:
https://exhentai.org/g/984540/f2870916eb/

>>17331031
What version are you on? How many farms are you running?

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Bit tired of this.

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>>17331560
You gay son

>>17331596
A cursed rod of speed can be used to alter a characters age.

>>17331683
I'm 95% sure they do not. I remember reading it somewhere.

>>17331698
''Reverse'' is generally only used to categorize by male on female/female on male for h-doujin sites and such for convenience, but not used in conversation. It's not an actual term, like how talking about ''reverse rape'' would probably get you laughed at

>>17331698
guro is a japanese porn with gore, there is no additional meaning.

/r/ PCC or sprite with kickboxing/boxer girl or something lighter, akin to kurokami female MC

>>17331698
its just gore porn man it has nothing to do with gender

>>17331701
The latest, 8.

>>17331657
due to an update, you can't sell items you bought for more than 33%of buy price, even if you change material. panties seem like the right way to go. for instance, i understand selling at shop is more, but ths is just to make sure I understand multipliers:

I go to pricecheck an obsidian amulet with a couple good mods, 20263 is sell price after negotiation kicks in. If I use a scroll of superior material, the logic is I have to compare a 1.8x multiplier from obsidian (Furniture page, as other anon said) to a 1.5x from spirit cloth, so it's worse: 20263*(1.875^-1)*(1.5) = 16210 gold.
of course it's more sold at shop, but it's still worse. With such a low base cost it's not worth doing.

HOWEVER, trying to price check at shops I only get a max sell price of around 27k for anything, which I assume is due to negotiation and an internal cap. That means I can't tell if one panty has a base cost of 30k or 100k. Do I just indiscriminately make panties dragon scale if they're over the cap? And only those? I thought fairy hats were pgood too.

>>17331823
You might wanna provide a reference pic. Unrelated if you like boxer girls you will probably enjoy reading teppuu.

>>17331847
Sounds like it needs to be tested by selling them one at a time.

>>17331847
should have said dawn cloth not spirit cloth, ignore that part. 1.5x still.

>>17331722
>>17331725
>>17331829
Shit so what's the psychological significance that I've been masturbating to guro since middle school?

>>17331847
Oh, forgot about that addition. Crafting panties and pope's robes is the way to go.
I roll material for price-capped stuff basically.

Shop always sells it for good price with this. I dont think shop got a price cap, unlike PC selling to vendors.

>>17331861
the significance is you're elona's target audience.

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For anyone that doesn't know:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13x1Si6M6w_SB9ucf2FMBq4ahhkM-UfBozQ4SZqWzfOQ

All the information you ever wanted regarding equipment and materials in Elona+.

>>17331703
>>17331560
You guys american? You have a bad grasp of just how much 56kg is.(Then again so do most japanese if anime is anything to go by)

With that height and weight, that girl's BMI would only be 22.4, well within acceptable parameters. She'd be in no way fat, thicc, healthy, or whatever it is you guys call fatties these days.

>>17331864
okay, excellent. So for real cash, use blacksmith shop for 1.2x multiplier, craft pope robes and panties on lucky day, check any that hit cap when price checking, roll dragon scale (30k investment each), then dump in shop while hootin and hollerin. Okay, understood completely.

>>17331870
>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13x1Si6M6w_SB9ucf2FMBq4ahhkM-UfBozQ4SZqWzfOQ
thank you!

>>17331683
Most as in 99% dont, if it has a name it won't rot.


How do you get guests to leave? I'had same 3 stupid halloween kids inside for weeks now.

>>17331883
I didn't make it, but I'm not sure who to give credit to.
I've just kept it bookmarked because hot damn that is a great resource.

>>17331878
Sorry tumblr I was poking fun at the thicc PCC not trying to trigger your autism.

>>17331870
Thanks chestnut goddess!

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>>17331823
>>17331851
This, or pretty much any unarmed female fighter from tekken/street fighter

>>17331878
We were having a lark and you had to ruin it. I will backflip into your ass

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>>17331912
How about a static?

>>17331879
>>17331870
>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13x1Si6M6w_SB9ucf2FMBq4ahhkM-UfBozQ4SZqWzfOQ

sooo according to this furniture value mod is different than equipment value mod? i'm not seeing a formula here, but 850 for dawn cloth is better than 350 for obsidian. Not sure how that works, what algorithm it is that takes in those numbers, but this is saying I had it backwards and it isn't like 1.8x->1.5x. Guess it's down to experiment.

>>17331912
Any kind of gloves/thick bracelets being worn is important
>>17331930
Well if there is no existing PCC i'll be happy with sprite as well~

Is there a trick to getting lots of HP as a fairy? Abyssmal con and str don't help, and hero cheese is a long way off.

Elona+ did add infinite hero cheeses, but they cost a huge number of tickets each. I'm trying a hardcore fairy mage and I can't fathom being able to hit even 1k tickets

>>17331894
I'm in no way defending fat people, they disgust me. It's just that it bothers me how most people don't seem to grasp what a kilogram is. Japs do this as well, or at least the ones that write most girls' measurements, except they go in the opposite direction and make everybody unreasonably thin. Hint: no matter your height, anybody below 45kg shouldn't even be allowed to donate blood.

>>17331923
Just trying to spread knowledge. But to be fair just plain weight isn't enough to get an accurate BMI, you'd need to know how much of that is muscle or fat mass.

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>>17331870
this also implies griffon scale is more valuable than dragon scale.

>>17331931
I'm not sure what you mean. Each equipment piece has a base value, and then there's the valuefactor to presumably multiply that. Faairly straightforward.

>>17331959
You can also get hero cheeses by the Little Sister quest.
That's probably faster than tickets until you get some insane party time strats.

>>17331959
Get Ascetic feats, Rubynus equipment until you could farm enough hero cheese to get comfortable life pool.

>>17331973
Material price mod for equipment and furniture seems to be different. Go figure...

>>17331973
on the furniture page, it says for instance, multiplier for dawn cloth is 1.5x, multiplier for obsidian is 1.8x, implying that an obsidian panty is worth 1.2x a dawn cloth panty.
on the spreadsheet page, obsidian has a multiplier of 350, and dawn cloth has a multiplier of 850. these two ideas are incongruous as far as I can see, unless weight is also a factor in cost.

>>17331977
Rubynus is too heavy for fairies. I can definitely use rings and amulet, but I think every other slow will be too heavy. Gloves and girdle might work.

>>17331973
Well, those require killing a big daddy. Maybe if I can get some awesome pets.

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Nifty.

>>17332008
Get Exile/Android and you are good.
Best option is a couple of ranged pets in tag team+ 1-2 tanks(tag teamed if 2)
That is, without tinkering with elona custom.

>>17331931
I can not open this(goggle docs fuked for me), but what's the highest price multiplier for furniture and equipment respectively?

>>17332008
eventually you'll be rolling in flying scrolls so you can have all ruby everythang if you so choose. meanwhile, ascetic feats, and try to work on wealth building/gardening for wish rods, because if you like, you can wish for "miromi" for a secret experience of Kumiromi, granting you an extra feat (# of extra feats available is capped by level) to grant you more asceticism.

>>17332041
There is just a single "ValueFactor" in the game data, although it does not indicate how that corresponds to sell price.
Highest ValueFactos are Ether (1200), Adamantium (1150), Diamond (1100), Emerald (1050), and Rubynus/Griffon Scale (1000)

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>>17332041

>>17332029
How do you count those numerical values for skill bonus/penalty? is it -8 or -818 to skill value of gene engineering?

>>17332041
here i'll puush the pdf. wL88E/eb87a7ddea.pdf

looks like ether>adamantium are best.
as far as superior, dawn cloth > spirit cloth > dragon scale, which seems backwards since you're spending MORE to get to dragon scale... it's a better

>>17332063
I'm pretty sure that for skills, 100 = 1 level.

>>17332056
yeah that's te thing. there's no formula here (yeah i know here's me complaining about this huge compiled list of good raw data) so i'm not sure if weight or damage value also changes cost. godly/etc status does of course, but is it additive? multiplicative? probably additive but not sure.

>>17332056
>>>17332041
> although it does not indicate how that corresponds to sell price.
Isn`t it simply ether = 4x pearl or 8x leather

>>17332079
it could be, but i'm not sure. for all i know, 850 value means it's worth 1.850x base, or 850x base, or (breastsize)*(850+900)/(luck%dayofweek)

>>17332086
We need allmightey Bloodyshade to claraify that part, it seems. Reading Elona's source gives me a massive headache.

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>>17332097
and i don't even know where it is! not like I could read it either.

>>17332046
I forgot about flying scrolls.

Still, this is all lategame stuff. I can certainly play it safe and try to make a ton of money, but I'm still concerned I'll get oneshotted in the early game while I'm building up skills. Last thread did have a ton of talk of all the possible sources that ignore DV.

>>17332056
>>17332059
>>17332066
Thanks gents, much appreciated.

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>>17331870
Good job!

>>17332109
source.hsp right in E+ folder.

>>17332115
Well 3 accessories = 9 life, 3 ascetic feats - 15 life, 24 life total vs 40 starting life for fairy. Its far more efficient than simply grinding CON.

>>17332115
i think there are a lot of good and safe ways to make money, although I am not good at them. you could theoretically stick around vernis area with 0 fame gardening/putit ranching/rabbit ranching and selling at 1 or more stores for good profit. negotiation can come from wing snail or mad scientist. it could be very tedious, but there's a good chance that if you start with fairy farmer and work really hard you can be rolling in wish rods before even entering combat with anything stronger than a yeek. plus you'll be rolling in herbs. use excess moneys to buy scrolls of gain material, mass bless them. why? you want casino chips and you aren't dungeon diving. why? you want to have a blacksmith shop AND you want a business card from casino play so you can change class.

IMHO YMMV

>>17331889
How the hell do I get rid of freaking guests?
I now have 4 halloween kids doing fuck all, 3 civilians, 1 hobo, 2 guild trainers doing nothing, one guard thats repeatedly fucking my maid, 6 adventurers I neever met before, all of these runts going through my damn house and wont leave.
Do i seriously have to nuke the place and fire the maids to fix this?

I'd post a ss but 4chan isn't letting me.

>>17332149
I believe maid can dismiss all. I have never had a maid because I do not want houseguests. I kill most adventurers on sight and my furniture is not fireproof.

By the way wishing for secret treasures of Kumiromi is kinda pointless now.
With the changes to rare drops, once the rare drop timer kicks in fairies will drop those things like candy. If you set up a fairy ranch for a while and kill them all except your breeder once the timer is up, you'll have more than you can use.

>>17332165
What timer? Nefia fewer?

>>17332165
are you serious? holy dicks. well how does the rare timer work, I can't close the game out if a new month starts?

>>17332165
I was thinking this too, on my new character I got two of them in a row just from beating fairies in ordinary dungeons, whereas I have *never* gotten one as a random drop before on all my previous characters. That rare item drop increase is really something.

>>17332153
Doesn't give the option, only to close interaction, fire her or change house name.

>>17332174
>>17332176
In short, there is a ten minute real-life-time timer that starts after you load a save.
Once it ends, the rare flag is turned on. This increases the drop rates of rare items like unique artifacts, evolution hearts, rabbit tails, etc. The flag stays on until you reload a save.
It's meant to incentivize not savescumming.

I think this timer is skipped if you first load after last saving by exiting the game after at least ten minutes of play, but I'm not sure.

>>17332202
Oh! Thanks for the info, Anon.

>>17332202
incredible. that must be why i'm getting so many hearts.

>>17331870
3 * 10000 + 72 (Casting)
So how big is the casting skill bonus for mithril equipment? +3?

>>17332202
Wait can you simplify that into layman terms? I'not understanding that fully.

>>17332324
From what I can tell, it's "if you savescum you get a penalty of shit rare drop rates for 10 mins"

>>17332324
If you dont reload the game for 10 mins rare stuff starts dropping.
Its possible that you dont lose that increased rare drop on first load of the game (if you had this rare drop already enabled when you saved this game)

>>17332324
If you reload a save and play for ten minutes straight you get an increased chance of rare items.
If you closed the game properly through the exit menu you get the increased chance straight away.

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Fill Charge works on the rocket laucher items.
I'm gonna have fun with this.

>>17332346
>>17332350
This is why I always play 10 mins before I purge my bunny rabbits.

of course now that i know this i cannot for the life of me find a fairy.
>>17332311
not sure what you mean, also not sure what the actual casting bonus for mithril is.

>>17332350
>>17332344
Perfect thanks, now these >>17332346 >>17332202 make a lot of sense.

>>17332165
What are the good things to wish for?
Attribute Scrolls and Astral Pens?

Holy shit just now
>give blessed scroll of gain materials to ally
>She uses it
>check latter to upgrade equipment
>still there
>take it back thinking she picked up a new one
>give back accidentally again
>she uses it again
>still got it
Onwards to spam city!

>>17332601
Astral pens for the novelty I guess. I'm drowning in happy beds, secret is meh as noted now. Wishes feel pretty worthless

>>17332603
With how ridic pet buffs have been recently I'd almost call this intentional.

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>>17331941
>>17331987
You dumbass, you posted your sprite as the old thread was dying 5 hrs after a new one was made. I only saw it because I accidentally opened a link to the old one. The guy you made it for would never have seen it.

So how do you set up food shop? Doesnt it rot faster than it could be sold?

>>17332773
iirc, food can't actually rot if you leave it on the ground.
The game still keeps track of its age, so if you pick it up it'll rot as soon as the hour passes, but if you just leave it in your store it'll never rot.

>>17332802
Oh! I assumed it works the same way as corpses(which rot after few ingame hours if you didnt pick them up)

>>17332816
Maybe that effect is only in your shop then? I dunno, but I've definitely had some year old meals in my shop that were perfectly fresh until I picked them up and walked out.

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>>17331959
The summon spirit trick doesn't work anymore. You can summon them in and get stars over their heads through throwing a love potion or performing for them but the points they give to your score is now abysmal. The normal people that show up for party time quests give far more points than spirits so no point in killing the people at the party and replacing them with spirits.

Having said that I normally can get anywhere between 1.5k-3k tickets from party time quests. I use fascination dance to do it since it gives slightly more points at party time quests than ensemble or regular performing. As an added bonus the animation for fascination dance is really quick. The success of fascination dance scales off of charisma which is easy to raise once you have gold and can start investing in vendors in bulk.

Party time quest difficulty does not necessarily indicate you'll get more tickets. I've gotten around the same amount of tickets from x45 quests as I've gotten from x125 party time quests. Only thing I see that changes with party time quest difficulty is the target score needed for the party to be considered a success. A better indicator of how many tickets you'll get is how many VIPs show up at the party as they contribute multipliers to your score. The amount of VIPs that show up is random and higher difficulty party time quests does not necessarily mean more VIPs will show up. So you can get a lot of tickets regardless of difficulty of the party time quest.

I'm starting farm hero cheese for my pets some more now that we're getting deeper in the void. Don't know if I'll need to get them to the 1000 my character Kai has but figured since I'm farming plat anyways I might as well do party time quests to help out my pets. About 11 to 20 party time quests allows me to get a hero cheese. Sounds like a lot but it doesn't feel that way since I can knock those quests out in seconds. The major centers for party time quests are Palmia in north tyris and Arcbelc in south tyris. Other towns may list party time quests every now and then but those two will definitely have them. Job boards typically refresh around 3 days.

>>17332603
Don't know what version you're using but that doesn't work in 1.69 at least when I went to test that bug.

>>17332802
i believe the game only checks time passing on items if you have them on you or in a room with you, otherwise it saves tems you leave around in rooms in the same manner as a 4d pocket.

>>17332773
>>17332802
>>17332816
>>17332831
Food just plain and simple will not rot in a shop.

>>17332165
Where do I get a fairy?

These threads get unusually active at some veru weird hours.

>>17333190
They mean enemy fairies. IIRC they reliably spawn in dungeons between 10-20. You could just check the wiki for their actual level then search on equally leveled dungeons until you find one to capture.

>>17333190
i just got one a second ago by spamming summon monster in a lv40ish dungeon. took maybe 20 tries

>>17331274
Oh yea goods shop did it. A harvest of just rabbit skins sold for 235495 total. I feel like in older versions skins didn't sell but maybe I just did it wrong.
Still, more useless money yay

>>17333242
Actually wait no it didn't I checked the wrong pile of crap. Also I thought shops just sold everything now so by all rights if skins do sell they should have sold. So I'm still going to go ahead and say skins do not sell in your pet run shops.

>>17333353
Isnt it pointless to sell skins in shop since they sell at full price either way?

>>17333369
Doesn't the shopkeeper gain exp based on customers serviced? You get a shit ton of skin so it should be good exp if he were able to sell it

>>17331596
You don't need cursed water often enough to warrant not taking the feat.
Going into dungeons and killing monsters give you more cursed water than you need, much like regular water in fact.

There also the fact that crafting water have a chance to craft it cursed, so go hoard fire wall rods, salt solutions and wood pieces.


The feat making sure you don't have to keep reblessing your equipment alone after every sleep means you'll spend less overall water anyway.

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So are these bullshit arena rounds gonna end once I hit 100 matches or am I going to have to put up with this for eternity?

>>17333660
Til you lose or skip arena for a month or two.

>>17333676
Fuck.
Well RIP my meteor stock.

>>17333683
In pet arena my lv60 pet had to fight lv400 bosses by round 300, its like void - you'll never win.

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things just kept snowballing

>>17332063
>>17332071
Actually it seems like 50 = 1 level. # means 1-5 levels, ## 6-10 and so on.

>>17332358
Awesome.

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>>17307056
After maxing magic capacity, and a flurry of dungeons ( found two hermes potions in there, on top of the small medals ! Only 30 medals short of the 13 blood goal ! ), i decided to max casting because why not.
It was really easy, and only cost me 1.5 millions to go from 1000 to 2000 casting.

>>17334732
Killing the chaos bosses was really easy, the most dangerous moment is spotting them. As soon as i set the target, i can run like a little girl ( well, i AM a little girl ), and let 銀血 just destroy them.
I predict the Meshera will last around half a second.

Mmmh, in fact, he could probably kill Amurdad...
I should be able to survive one round fully-buffed before teleporting away.
Yeah, i think before i Oblivion palace'd myself i'll go to Lost Irva and collect the god items.
The dumbbells especially.
Of course, it could spell my doom. Which would be really stupid. Mmmh...

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>>17332202
>no more savescumming

>>17334732
So how did you make Karata's INIs that low?

>>17335174
Ｏｂｌｉｖｉｏｎ　ｐａｌａｃｅ　ｕｎｔｉｌ　ｓｐｅｅｄ　ｉｓ　ａｔ　５０　ａｎｄ　ｓｔａｔｓ　ａｔ　２０，　ｔｈｅｎ　ｆｏｒｃｅｆｅｅｄｉｎｇ　ｒｏｔｔｅｎ　ｕｎｄｅａｄ bodies until stats at 1, then a final oblivion palace reset to set the final INI.

But wait until you see the INI of my character. The lowest INI attainable, 133/1 ! In three days probably.

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>>17334816
>Well, I AM a little girl

http://kusotool.web.fc2.com/eex/index.html#screenshot

Found while roaming pixiv for items sprites.
Different sprite for different iteration of the same items (rods, books, scrolls,ect) seems fucking nice. Likewise being able to search your inventory dump.

I'm gonna drink toilet water and wish for ano to implement this.
The chat seems nicely advanced too. Might be of interest now tthat ano nuke it.

>>17332767
Shitty edit isn't worth a spot on new thread.

>>17335270
So its like super-advanced elona custom, huh?
Inventory really needs sorting by item types tbqh.

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>>17332960
False, it does rot eventually.

On top of doing completely absurb damage, the Blood Rod puts my pet in a constant state of meditation.
Skill level 700 right now, averaging one skill level every real twenty seconds.

Oh, Leold's speed limit isn't 500 in act 2, but 501.
I tried a speed up at 500 and it worked.
Must be the same for act 3.

I have just realized the item highlight in Custom is great, saves so much time when just buying potential pots, and scrolls of wonder off of shopkeepers. Just a shame it doesn't highlight things on the ground too.

Anyone got a fun race/class combo? Starting a new save with a new install and I haven't actually managed to get to the end of Lesimas yet over years of playing.

>>17335627
Nope because the only dif class makes is how much of a pain in the ass the early game is and most races are for most purposes identical with their upsides/downsides rarely being relevant.

>>17335627
Obligatory Snail tourist aside, try mutant with whatever class suits the resulting monstrocity. If you could finish act 1 very fast you get bonus limbs from gevala.

>>17335627
Class is only relevant for early game, since you can aquire all skills with time. Race is more important for the inherent racial bonuses and traits. Dim immunity for golem and the like are popular. Or you can play the extended races like catgod, which makes for a easy start, but you'll eventually run into trouble when you want to start to gain AP.

>>17335636
>>17335637
>>17335639
Yeah, I know I should eventually pick up all the skills making class kinda useless, but was hoping one of the races I haven't tried (mostly stick to the human-like ones) would be more fun.

I might just do a Golem or Mutant Warrior then, since their racial stuff seems neat at least.

''Demi Lich

A very powerful spellcaster, which can defeat even a nether dragon, AI allowing. (it helps if he remembers to teleport) Have blessed silences handy and start throwing. It is recommended you begin purchasing bundles of blessed silence potions or rods and stockpile them to use immediately whenever you see them sometime around level 25 or when you begin hitting level 40 dungeons, just for this enemy. It casts primarily nether and darkness spells. ''

Did this game used to be much harder or something? Articles like this always confuse me.

>>17335648
Pre Elona+ article, when there was only North Tyris.

>>17335648
Yeah it was a really rogue-ish grindfest while Noa was in charge, you know.

A shame. I barely pay any attention as is because its so easy

How comfy is this? Also, is it worth it?

>>17335669
Thats why this game got "loss" and even harsher permadeath modes. I kinda like the way Ano fights against savescumming, makes the gameplay less tedious.

>>17335683
What is? Are you talking about playing Elona in general?

>>17335693
Yes. Or if there is a guild of some sort with you guys, I guess.

>>17335693
I'm not sure how loss and the like would actually be hard beyond the early game when rng will just kill you with a rock. It'd just be unforgiving. Like as is I'm running into dungeons twice my level, bump attacking and occasionally pressing 4 to cast cure of jure. I never get close to feeling in danger.
The game doesn't feel like it keeps up with character growth at all now. And I'm not even using pets. Imagine the people who are.

The early game would be hard and probably pretty tedious, but beyond that? You stockpile thousands of rods of tele if you do ever get in any trouble

>>17335698
Its a singleplayer roguelike. Game is quite chill for roguelike, many amusing moments/names/unexpected innuendos here and there, fancy RPG mechanics on top of that - but only fun if you are into roguelikes in general.

Its pretty much a sandbox where you can play harvest moon, farm doungeons, raise pets, amass useless trash in your fancy multi-story cave or go on a quest to fuck all the prostitues in nearby lawless town, then go and mass-rape young ladies after you get nearly incurable illness.
>>17335720
I'm playing loss atm and belive me, game has a lot of ways to kill you unexpectedly in one turn until you are past level 300 or something. I've lost 5 fairies until i figured out that i have to wait before moving next tile in dungeon, and spam search if possible.

Then rip fairies

>>17335720
You're not far enough.

At one point fame starts outpacing your power growth and you'll get 40+ star quests with 1500-2000 level monsters while you and your pets are still hitting their 500s-1000s in stats and skills.

Similarly, go far enough in void and regular, non-awakened dungeon level stars rocketing. Yes you can vacuum clean the regular mobs since they top at 200. Then you come across a 2000 level boss in the same dungeon that wipes the floor with your tweaked custom AI pets and you.

At this point all that's left is grinding. You beat 2000 level shit by maxing out your pets, your items and yourself. And that's boring af, since there's no more content left other than grind grind grind. Sort of like a daily MMORPG slog.

Not complaining, still. Reaching that "grind only" point took a long time and was fun, more than most-single player games ever gave me. And it's free.

>>17335683
Very. And yea sure I had no idea this board existed when I first played it since I don't visit /JP/ outside of this (its a very weird place otherwise). Didn't really make any progress until posting here though since the anons helped me with crap I didn't get. I was majorly over complicating the game.

>>17335730
>>17335778
Sure I guess I'll try it out soon and see what's up. Sounds fun.

>>17335387
That's not cool dude

>>17335683
I dislike using the word comfy to describe videogames since it's highly subjective. Having said that it's a great time waster.

As a rogue-like it's honestly pretty shitty, the mechanics are all there but the need to use them disappears as soon as you make a minimum amount of progress, being instead replaced with an endless grind, be it for money, skill ratings, attributes and later on for AP. Level are incredibly irrelevant. All these mechanics make the game feel like you're constantly doing things wrong, or at least not as efficiently as you could be. This is a feeling that disappears as you get more used to it, but it returns eventually once you hit your first wall, whichever it might be. Having said this, once you do get used to it it becomes far more enjoyable.

What the game does have is an incredible amount of freedom. There're a lot of things to do, and a lot of ways to achieve them; at least early game, before it all becomes herbed herbs and AP grind and even then you can handle stuff with pets. The game has incredible potential for roleplaying.

Rereading what I wrote I might sound too harsh, but the game is pretty fun, and the plot is actually not bad, so honestly give it a try, and don't be discouraged if at first it all seems overwhelming, that's normal and you do get used to it.

TL;DR: Game's fun but half the fun comes from these threads.

>>17335855
>grind
There can be a way around that, right? But probably considered cheating and therefore will become boring after a while probably as well.

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Melooks at this lovely innocent Gwen who likes red, and methinks. I should make her mine, teach her to kiss well and give her lovely Ivy Spine to unravel her true talent.

I wonder if victims will die from overflowing love or bleeding first, hmm.

>>17335859
You can just play it on easy mode. 20x exp or something like that. Its a game where you largely just make your own fun.
Some people like to raise pets, optimize feeding them, and roleplay the worlds kindest slave owner.
Some people just run around towns doing all the quests they don't find to be a pain in the ass over and over again.
Some people try to break the game with ap resetting and the like even though literally just using pets already breaks it.
And others (myself at the moment) spend more time making sprites than actually playing the game.

>>17335859
>>17335855
DESU this game never forces you to play "efficiently". You may not get maximum possible skill levels per real time hours but you don`t have to do that either way. If you are chill the game is chill, if you are grinding the game is a real grindfest.

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>>17335886
>the worlds kindest slave owner
That's me, that's me!

There is a shopkeeper feat that increases customer's gold. What does it mean for me? I can sell items for more total value with the same # of customers?

>>17336095
don't take any feats. they said there'll be more and better feats eventually and you can only pick 2

If anything take magical plants because it competely destroys the early game

>>17336120
Most likely Ano will add reset serves to Maile then, and if not - who cares, i could just make a new salesman.
I want to take feats for trader not combat pets.

>>17336144
i can make a new salesman but I can't make a new wing snail.

>>17336149
Meh mine is a little sister. Its never wrong to get more little sisters once you got tired of older ones.

>>17336129
Violent Garden aka Trash Clearer

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Ok...
I was kinda worried about that level 200 boss, due to its poison breath...

Except it got one-shop by the monster.
By Yacatect, what have i created.
The Blood Rod is reall powerful on its own, but in the hand of... Of this...
And the goal is to give it 7 arms for maximised twohand damage. I think reaching non-charged one million damage from simple crits is not out of the question. With the buffs, especially. They sure help.

>>17336222
>And the goal is to give it 7 arms for maximised twohand damage.
How Two hand related to number of hands?

>>17336246
Not hands, arms. Each arms is around 25 more damage each, with Godly, ether and craft repaired.

>>17336257
Oh, misread. My bad. So whats the point if you can just use 0 hands on karata and get 8 attacks with MA instead of this? I have a feeling that you'll get way more damage with cold/electric attribute and wetting+elemental scarring target.
Harder to get spell power multiplier this way, though.

>>17336257
I don't get it either.

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What do I do now?

>>17336276
Post stats and meteor level.

>>17336267
Because while i love ATATATATATA, i already done it.
Never done a twohand build before, so i go balls deep.

>>17336283
Magic is 2872 and meteor is 204

>>17336291
I thought cap on magic is 2000. Divine wisdom?

>>17336276
Time to start a completely new char without a gene, on loss mode.

and
>>17336291
char screenshot please

>>17336285
I'm concerned about %% mana cost for higher levels. 5% of 2 mil mana would be painful.
Did you make weapon heavier than ~380s already?

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>>17336296
Resolution hand and shift core too

>>17336299
Yep.
And don't worry, at most it drains 2000 mana ( for a bonus 200 damage i must add ).

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>>17336316
>Age 7

>>17331336
what sprite sheet/texture pack?

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This little girl is so pushy...

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>>17336366

I don't understand what I'm doing wrong in this game.

My little girl and I go smashing through a dungeon, nothing even hurting me, raking in the loots, then something random and ordinary looking will just one shot me from full hp.

Is there any way to assess a threat in this game? How do I make myself tougher?

>>17336458
Use the wiki to learn about enemies and their abilities.

>>17336458
press * on numped to check target's danger.

Also, train stats on purpose. Its easy to train evade/shield/grater evade by summoning a bunch of weak monsters and acting as a punching bag for them. If you can get feat 'you manipulate gravity' you can train more efficiently under it's debuff. Get greater evasion from mages guild trainer to dodge dem instakill crits.

First - check logs anyway.

>>17336483
Instakill crits are no fun unless you're administering them. Even then, they ruin the whole game if there's too many.

>>17336483
>>17336482

Thank you I will try these things.

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>>17336366
>>17336425
Default. Pet sprites are customized with shapechange. Don't get impatient after only 20 minutes faggot

>>17336497
okay

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>>17332008
your little girl is amazing, get an android with the winchester to give her ranged support and a defender to give everyone a second chance

>>17336497
you are quoting two different people, friendo ;^)

>>17336547
If you have elona custom, its better to make an android a tank instead. I always turn her into mage, since later on she could act as a great magical support with her cure for insane status.

>>17336563
And he addressed both of them. Even if it seems to run together

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I wonder what will happen if you add this reduces phys damage to metal. -95% reduction with 50% cap on this attribute? Or it doesnt work at all?

Guys, how do you track spells damage and such to show in character screen?
Or, better, is there some expanded description on E+C functions? It has so many additions but all of them are lost in changelogs. No additions to "?" ingame window either.

>>17337124
The spells should already be on your character screen, underneath resists. To track them, go into Tweaks->UI Tweaks and enable "Allow Spell Tracking" (and optionally "Show Spell Stock In Tracker"), then you can just select a spell on your character screen and hit "*" on your numpad to track it, same as skills.

>>17337137
Thank you, haven`t thought its done via char screen as well.

>>17337137
Wait, where does it track spells? I enabled it in tweaks, added speed & lightning bolt to tracker yet don`t see them anywhere - neither on chara screen nor under the clock akin to tracked skills.

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>>17337202
It's under the clock. I've got Magic Dart tracked here.

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>>17337227
Got only skills here.

>>17337258
You have "Filter Skill Tracker By Potential" set to hide any skill with more than 60% potential, and Lightning Bolt has 290% potential. Maybe that's hiding it?

>>17337282
Oh. Thats how it works! Sorry that was me being stupid, as expected. Thanks, Anon.

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When will my pets rub me instead of the other way around

What mode is Kai playing on? His stats seem really high is he playing on overdose?

>>17337543
He's playing on inferno which was recently renamed loss, which is normal but with permadeath.

>>17337538
Feature request: pets with high independence rating should rub or force sleep sharing upon the PC.

>>17337602
If there were things like this there'd finally be a reason to bother with the obedience system.

>>17337602
Would feel bad for all those players that let their pets get way stronger than them. If Goda the orc wants to have his way with you there's not much you can do.

>>17337682
We'll it's pretty hard to stray away from "Peer" unless you're actively trying to do so.
Which means they were theoretically asking for it.

>>17337687
Probably some Elea. We know how Elea are with orcs.

>>17337602
Only if rubbing also gives massive power.

>>17337687
I theoretically want my wife to blast me into the bedroom with sound ball and frontflip onto my dink

In all seriousness, obedience, sleep sharing and evochat seems to be unfinished elements of the same minigame. Ano really likes to jump from one thing to another.

>>17337700
If my pet could rub me down mid dungeon to make me go saiyan, I'd maybe actually use one

Even better, let me sleep with my horde of zombies.

>>17337741
i think it's less jumping and more spreading. imagine if all ano did from 1.67 to 1.69 was perfect the h-game aspect and we didn't have fever nefia and bugfixes

>>17337773
What, you don't have a shadow stepping deathball of a wife?

>>17336565
androids are tanks regardless of build by default with the armor flag, and if you get the android you might as well get the gun and give it to her

>>17337781
not that anon but i dont even get how people choose pets. if you're just supposed to pick something with debuffs or a good class and reset ini values and feed it herb shit i dunno, but i have never found a good pet that I actually like. i have to dismiss them from dungeons so I don't ave to resurrect them. i dunno, i don't want a xeren satellite unit with a gau17 and i definitely don't want most of the god pets, black cat seems ok but boring.

>>17337805
Elona Custom means you can pick the pets you LIKE and teach them spells and abilities you want. Even remove the abilities you don't want.
Once they get a bit of pickpocket they are largely self-sustaining.

>>17337780
Well he starts working on *new* features instead of finishing (not perfecting) previously introduced ones. Every time i use evochat just to pass pets some more pocket money i die a little inside. He could at least add some kind of relationship mod for getting pet to orga.. happiness.
>>17337794
By default they keep distance of 2 if i recall correctly?
>>17337805
Use Elona custom AI and make a pet of your dreams. Or AP system AI fiddling from E+. There are so many fun build starting from pure support to mage/fighter/a group of volley'ing moais tagged with eachother to some roleplaying shit for fun, like performaids and such.

>>17337805
Most people choose relatively weak creatures and raise them to be strong because they love em. I don't even use custom AI or anything and my pets seldom die

>>17337857
Well-cared pets are generally noticeably stronger than PC without feats in E+. Crazy food modifier and easy potential increase. And non-custom AI pets spam abilities like there is no tomorrow.

>>17337805
pick special actions I want
find the cutest (female) npcs with them
>>17337845
yes, within optimal range of a shotgun

>>17337892
>>17337830
>>17337857
>>17337845
y'all've'st sold me on Elona Custom, gonna bite the bullet and learn how to fiddle with AI scripts. Thanks!

Alright, how do you give pets money besides letting them pick it off the floor or teaching them pickpocket?
Too many of them keep picking wrong shit off the floor so option number 1 is off for me.

>>17338033
Good luck.
Remember to give them a fallback action that is always possible or they may freak out in battle.

>>17338069
Fill a kitty bank with dosh and throw it at the ground, then let them pick it up.
You can make sure a certain pet gets it by standing over the money and waiting for them to be adjacent, then swapping places with them.

>>17338075
smart move, you got it.

>>17338069
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Ore

>>17338033
>>17338075
Some things to keep in mind:
Ranged skills have a maximum range of 5 for pets.
Ranged attack if distance <= 5 is not a fallback, they'll freeze up if there's a wall in front of the target. Give them another action, like moving towards the target.

>>17338090
speaking of which wtf are earth and sun crystals for. where are those recipes at

>>17338069
Start evochat with friendly pet, there is an option to give 100k gold.
If you have strong pet(s), consider getting 100-200-300 win streaks in pet arena, it rewards all pets with 100-200-400k gold

>>17337543
Nope. He is playing on inferno (permadeath) mode which has normal experience and huge life penalties for save scumming.
He just spent so much time learning how to efficiently grind he has it down to an art.

>>17338092
neat, ok. this sounds like it'd be fun to play with a pet that has hyper dash. should I have a fallback in case it can't move? ah I'll play around with it.

>>17338095
They are for god offerings (for Jure and Opatos) or for giving to pets for them to sell.

>>17337781
I'm one of the weirdos who doesn't use pets outside of breakfest

>>17338090
>>17338079
>>17338096
Oooooh thanks, never notices the ore thing or do a lot of evochats, that kitty bank trixk is going to come suer useful.

so unfortunately, Melt Clinch (new slimenoid spaction) is not listed in elona custom AI actions. dunno what to do about this. Is it normal for some spactions to be mssing?

>>17338603
As far as i know, custom ai uses whitelist, so Bloodyshade or Anna herself gotta add it manually in the list.
However Bloodyshade mentioned something about adding new evolutions, so better leave a comment on ECustom's blog on wiki.

>>17338640
ahh okay, gotcha. Will do!

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It's that time again. Time for equipment screencaps that is.
This time we're going to do this a bit different, not everything has to be jokes about gays or whores, right?
As such, and in honor of this being /jp/ I will post a series of titles and you guys will tell me the name of the first touhou that comes to mind. I'll start with an easy one.

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>>17339121
Title number 2.

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>>17339125
And the third one, depending on the reception I might post a few more.

>>17339121
I don't have anything that good on me, I'll have to check my home stash.

>>17339121
Marisa
>>17339125
Shit, uh, Eirin?
>>17339132
Shou

>>17339132
not very amusing desu, needs to be raunchy like <Whore Child>, <Homo the Sex>, <Gay Sister>, etc..

>>17339240
Gotta be more creative than Homo titles.
Homo has been done almost as much as "I want to get my kid a <shit> for their birthday" pics.

>>17339240
oh there's a game, nvm my <Retard Remark>

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>>17339121

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Well, not the reception I had in mind, but I can do another set.

>>17339229
Thanks for playing, in order: Yes, No, Not who I had in mind but yours fits better.

This second set is even more of a stretch, but it's actually hard to find good names that fit.

>>17339240
Luckily I have just the girl for you.

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>>17339121

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>>17339296

>>17339298
I'm trying to do something different here.

>>17339125
Kanako.

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>>17339303

>>17339304
Not who I had in mind, but since this is supposed to be more of a Rorschach kind of test I guess there's no wrong answers.

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>>17339310
I'll stop for now since they only get more far fetched from here.

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>>17339319
Yeah, different. Not fun just posting the same stuff as this every thread.

>>17339326
but you're just... posting things you think are touhou... and it's just you posting instead of an exchange...

>>17339334
I meant things different from the usual <sex joke>, not that you can't post your own stuff. It's a free thread.

>>17339425
>talisman
>neckless
>bomb
Yeah, just put it on, what's the worst that could happen?

How much damage does a nuke do? I need to do that crazy lady's quest and was wondering if I could just survive the bomb blast.

>>17339518
To survive the blast, plant the nuke on the right/left side of palmia, leave the city in 7 turns, then return on the edge of the opposite side. Those 2 columns don't get hit.

>>17339518
For the quest you'll want to stand on the bear, read a scroll of escape/return, re-enter Palmia from the left and then walk straight down; Alt - you could use the spell/scroll "Contingency" and hope it works.
You'll be out of the blast radius when it goes off but be aware that any adventurers inside town might survive as well as any higher level NPCs; it also creates lots of fires so if you do it in the rain you can loot/steal stuff "freely" since your karma is already low

>>17339518
why do you need to do the quest at all?

>>17339616
A quest best done with an empty inventory.

Is the animation new btw? The only previous time I did it was in noa's elona and I don't remember this at all.

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>>17339719
The animation is definitely old, I started up elona 1.16 just to check.

>>17339756
RIP Spain.

God damn I always forget how much of an ordeal it is to throw together a personalized character.bmp.

What kind of game is this?

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Starting Predator for fun, is Claws the only weapon I should bother with?
A better PCC for my portrait would be nice too.

>>17340123
Open-ended Japanese Roguelike/RPG hybrid.

>>17340123
>>17335730

>>17340145
Get multi-attack bonus equipment and remove everything else from your hands, you'll get up to 8 attacks per round with bare fists if you have multi-attack bonus @ 1000
Before that, tonfas. Or shields.

>>17340162
I'm kind of new so I don't really know how to get multi-attack equipment, is there some fast way at the start or should I just focus on doing dungeons until it drops?

>>17340179
Dont bother until you beat Lesimas at least. There are several artifacts that boost it on next next act.

Level martial arts to gain Attribute special action, it adds elemental attack on top of normal one.

Then I'd suggest you to gather 35 medals for http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Elements_Eyes
It changes attribute's element, has to be used every time you wake up.

Learn water bolt/ball spell, change your attribute to ice or lightning and wreck bosses after wetting them.

>>17340214
Thanks for the great advice, I'll start collecting small medals right now.

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>>17340179
It provides a proximity assist weapon.
It increases the chance of an extra melee attack.

Just focus on those 2 effects on equipment, refer to
>http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Equipment_attributes

AND GO ATATATATATAT

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>>17340145
Closest i've got. Dont forget to convert to 24 bit bmp.

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Shock that work.

made smoke then used continuous attack

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Still didn't find back that horned goblin I glanced over in pixiv.
That'll teach me to delay a download.
Alas~

Once for all it's putit or petit?
プチ is the later, isn't it?

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>>17340145
Or make it with parts, subhair and such

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>>17340313

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Pshhh, make it a cute fluffy bunny.

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>>17340314
As for necktie, i dont have those. Make your own or lurk moar.

>>17340320
And sorry to be potentially a bother. I need to confirm a tidbit before creating the conresponding tag in hydrus. Does 'PCC' stand for 'player character customization' , 'player customized character' or something else entirely?

>While praying at altar Kumiromi pops out for some reason.
>Lanky little kid in green pajamas. Decide to bash him because what is a runt like him going to do? Farm me to death?
>One big number appears and a blood pool remains where my character used to be.

I'm not going to mess with farmers ever again.

>>17340302
wut. Please explain mechanics.
>>17340329
PCC is PCC (most likely player customized character tho)

>>17339518
1000 damage. Not much, but probably a lot more than your hp at this point.

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>>17340328
I lied.

Maybe someone got PCC_etc for me too? I need fairy wings (preferrably the 4 insect-like ones)

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>>17340345

Curtain of Smoke puts you back in stealth nets you a crit rate boost plus any one in the smoke with you.

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>>17340389
>Curtain of Smoke puts you back in stealth

>>17340461
This will go on ano's nerf bingo ASAP.

Finally found a godly energy cells !
Still needs a godly laser gun for maximum pewpewpower.

>>17340518
Grats;
Increase its weight, make it thicc as sheena's ass.

>>17340511
Well the enemies get that too as in certain enemies like ninjas can do it meaning him and all the other monsters get crit bonuses against the player as well.

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RIP 7th fairy. Died trying to teach little girl a lightning bolt. Kids, do not cast spells while confused and low on mp.

She lived the longest among seven sisters, almost a whole year.

>>17340569
RIP
Do you have a pic of her character sheet?

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>>17340577
A few months before the unfortunate event.

>>17340591
Thanks

>>17340591
>Ruined Fairy
Lived up to the nickname

>>17340357
Thanks a lot.

>>17340234
I-is he hitting him on the crouch?
That must've hurt.

Now that i think about, the worst part of permadeath is that there is always this one backup stuffed somewhere that could be used to revive your dead character.

Grinding willpower.

>>17340738
Don't get attached to perma death chars.
They start dying the moment you create them.

>>17340738
That's the worst part? I have normal mode characters so I can just go play those if I want to be revived after death. Scumming a loss character is probably the worst thing you can do in this game, 100 times worse than even doing it on a normal character. Also part of the appeal is getting back to where you were faster and more efficiently

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>>17340745
Too much roleplay value in this game, so both PCs and pets are made with love, unlike faceless @ from ADOM and the likes.
Therefore, its hard to play Elona without getting attached to chars
>>17340766
Ah i don`t really care about getting back to the same stage part. I usually go completely different route with new chars. The worst part is because I made a >>17340591 screencap from flashdrive backup, so it takes some willpower to forego the char yet again.

Now it`s time to make a farmer fairy, 8th sister(or brother? no male sprites for fairies, though), the youngest.

>>17340820
Well getting stronger/being more successful than the last guy. It's like gambling, every crushing frustrating loss only makes when you win feel better. When I won NetHack for the first time it was like a spiritual experience

Now this being more comfy grind game and less traditional RL reduces that by a lot, but you still get those heart thumping moments now and then. Save scumming would completely rob yourself of that feeling to an extent you wouldn't get doing it in normal mode

http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaval/?EEx Apparently works with E+Custom? Anyone uses that?

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Shena has the greatest ass, but who has the greatest tits?

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>>17340892
So far so good, detected E+C executable properly, adds some quality of life options.

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>>17340910
>Add comma

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It looks like nefia fever also affects Lesimas. I always return there to escape and walk to Vernis, but I noticed every single floor I already cleared out was filled to the brim with material collection spots. Can just walk upwards from deepest floor cleared and *non-stop* gather materials. I'm talking dozens of spots here

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>>17340958

Any other good Elona-theme artists aside from Rueken?

>>17341025
Siro probably

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So how do you level performer fast? Just get as much listeners as possible? I tried to perform for a haunted house filled to the brim with spirits but it didn't give much experience.

>>17340214
>has to be used every time you wake up.
I don't think this is entirely true now. I've kept magic-typed Variable Breath for quite a long time and Lightning is my highest resist.

>>17341092
I put bonus points into it when it is at high potential until 30 when you get ensemble, and from then on as you use the skill in partytime quests it rockets up faster than you can get the plat to keep its potential up

>>17341102
I'd rather use bonus points on weight lifting, sense quality and such if possible. Question is how to get it to lv30

>>17340389
Don't stealth crits only work for thieves? Or have I been ignorant this entire time for ignoring the stealth mechanic?

>>17341111
Nice quads. I think that since you are practically always burdened, all you need to do for weight lifting is get potential to near 400% every once in a while and just leave it. Same for sense quality but carry around loot instead. So while it's tempting to get a few quick levels with points (I do it too), it's probably not the best idea after the start. My performer is closing in on 30, and I have never performed even once. I'm playing on loss so I'm not even trying that shit until I can ensemble

It's also worth using points on crafting skills I think, when you've barely got any recipes but could easily craft a lot if only you unlocked the next couple (e.g. no leather for tailoring but enough mats to make a thousand panties and talismans). I think we should consider the time saved when spending them

>>17341092
Younger sister mansion.

>>17341160
Weight lifting/sense quality requires Opatos' last reward to train efficiently.(rl time) I dont like his other stuff for early game so i just leave that stuff for later.
Tailoring, yeah. Leather is rarer than ingredients for lightsabres, wtf.

>>17341166
So you get more XP if you perform for more npcs? I assume spirits were simply nerfed for performing since they are too easy to abuse.

What about performing in ranch full of rabbits? Younger sister mansion makes me lose karma since summoned monsters were simply killed before younger sister summoned more sisters.

>>17341176
Yeah spirits were nerfed