So this whole thing was just a big misunderstanding?

>>17320706
Yeah, SA was a bad game.

>>17320706
You'd have a hard time naming one game that wasn't a misunderstanding in one way or another.

>>17320755
But which one was the stupidest misunderstanding?

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In every game the incident would have solved itself with or without Reimu interfering.

Except EoSD, that mist was lethal as fuck.

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Oh, what a horrible night to have a curse.

>>17320838

My knowledge on EoSD is rusty

Was it lethal because it let youkai run rampant or was it really poisonous?

>>17321283
I don't know either but the mist blotted out the sun so crops would fail, killing every human in Gensokyo (or at least most of them) which is why it couldn't last.

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It was all Satori's plan to get the Underworld opened up again, so she could go and get some D up in the Human Village. That slut.

Yes, mostly because Okuu is a literal retard and thought Kanako meant for her to conquer everything. Kanako's plan wasn't the brightest because it hinged on one of the dumber characters knowing what she intended to do.

>>17321283
the mist was poisonous beyond blocking out the sun

>>17320838
No, what? For a few of them yeah but SA is definitely not like that. Okuu could have easily destroyed Gensokyo and Orin couldn't stop her.

In LOLK Sagume specifically acts in a way to cause the heroines to come help with Clownpiece and Junko. MoF was kind of a personal grudge so Reimu's pretty tied to the situation even if the Tengu and Moriya could have worked it out alone, Seija unchecked with the Mallet would have been a significant problem, and Tenshi's actions would have led to natural disasters that could have wiped the humans out.

>>17321754
Scarlet mist was poisonous according to Akyuu, but then it took Reimu several days before she decided to exterminate whoever released it, and she didn't feel under the weather at all in the meantime. Nobody else ever said anything other than that the mist was blocking the sun and causing Gensokyo to be cold and dark.

>>17320761
Suika's incident.

>>17322990
>Scarlet mist was poisonous according to Akyuu, but then it took Reimu several days before she decided to exterminate whoever released it
what

Read EoSD's prologue.

>>17322990
And Akyuu often gets things wrong. Given that Remilia made the mist, it wouldn't be too surprising if she would have returned it after a while anyway because she got bored of it. Additionally, depending how you read the contract made after the vampire incident, she can't do things that harm the human villagers. As in physically impossible.
Now if we look at PCB, stealing fucking spring seems really fucking bad. That one would murder the shit out of the villagers, not the scarlet mist. No idea why Yukari even helped with that, maybe she thought her fuck buddies feelings are more important than the balance of gensokyo.
IN would have solved itself, IaMP required Suika getting her shit kicked in, PoFV would have solved itself, MoF didn't even have a real incident, SWR needed Tenshi to have her shit kicked in, SA needed intervention, UFO didn't, TD didn't either, DDC probably did to stop them from trtying to cause a revolution, LoLK had an actual invasion but the solution was wrong as the cast should have murdered every single lunarian scum.

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>>17320712
>SA was a bad game.

>>17322990
>>17323105
>>17323093 is right, read EoSD's prologue. It's stated that a normal human can only survive for 30 minutes in the mist.

>>17321374
If I remember correctly... the mist would have killed all the humans in less than an hour.

>>17320706
No, because spirits were still getting jetissoned out onto the surface, and Okuu was still going out of control. Misunderstanding implies that neither of those key plot elements were as they seemed, but they are.
The incident was just larger in scope than anyone knew, since Kanako was behind the scenes meddling.

The biggest misunderstanding in a main game is absolutely Imperishable Night. If the odd-looking moon was left alone, it would have gone away on its own as Eiren only had to temporarily hide from the Lunarians. Everything would have been peaceful and uneventful if the heroines didn't stop time and make the night last eternally just because the moon was wierd.

>>17320838
Not true.
In MoF the incident is the Moriya shrine getting in over their heads and exerting their influence too hastily, so the heroine puts them in their place. Arguably would have settled down peacefully soon, but the heroine's involvement was important nonetheless.
SA required the heroine's intervention to stop Okuu's rampage. The "incident" was technically just Satori spewing spirits out from the underground to attract a powerful youkai who would take care of the problem.
Without the heroine intervening, Okuu would have continued spiralling out of control, and youkai are forbidden from entering the Underground which is why Reimu/Marisa's partner pairs up with them in a support role in the first place.
In DDC, Seija and the Miracle Mallet's power had to be stopped or society would continue its inversion, with weak youkai going out of control and more and more tsukomogami would be created.
And in LoLK, without the protagonist intervening Gensokyo would be glassed to make way for the Lunar colony, and the entire Lunarian capital on the moon would be forfeit to Junko, who presumably would try to invade Gensokyo at a later date to finish Chang'e off.

You're correct about the rest of the games though, they would have all resolved themselves eventually, or weren't even a problem in the first place.

>>17323709
That was Rin, not Satori.

>>17323672
It was also a misunderstanding on Kaguya and Eirin's part because Gensokyo was already sealed off by the Hakurei barrier and they didn't require any extra spells to "hide". At least that's how they explain it in IN

And even THEN it's not a big deal because it's contradicted by the fact that the Lunar Capital hasn't branded them as criminals forever, Eirin's very open working with the Lunar capital and Reisen II / the Watatsukis coming to visit pretty much right away

What about the PC98 ones, I'm never quite sure what exactly was going on in those and how severe or not they were

>>17324222
Note that the explanation of the "the Barrier means they couldn't get in" from IN was washed away as the setting matured. It hasn't been valid in anything after IN.

The real reason Eirin and Kaguya had nothing to worry about was that it was just the rabbits being lying shits about rumors on the Moon, and the Watatsukis were not at all concerned with taking them back. So they overreacted to hearsay, and the protags reacted in turn.

>>17323093
>>17323270
>>17323304
"Normal humans would only have about 30 minutes, but not-normal humans would also have about 30 minutes" is just a joke about the length of a run of the game.

Even if it was completely serious back then, which it wasn't, this was revised in PMiSS where it was said the mist would make you sick, and people were unable to leave their homes, explicitly over the course of several days.

>>17320838
PCB? While Yuyuko was "destined to fail", had she revived that tree it would've been really bad.

SA was bullshit but I believed it.

isn't that like every 2hu

>>17324222
IN is one of the games that while the protags didnt need to intervene for the incident to resolve itself, them intervening lead to the better final outcome, of eintei becoming part of gensokyo more and opening up.

>>17325273
It would've sat there, because it's just a tree. Able to kill people, in the middle of a world for dead people. So not really.

>>17335251
It draws people to it and getting into the netherworld is actually easy without dying.

>>17321754
>is a literal retard and thought Kanako meant for her to conquer everything.
wrong, Okuu's SA profile says she didn't even care about Kanako's motives. Okuu's plan to turn the surface into a new hell (not ''conquer everything'') was entirely on her own volition.

in fact Kanako knew about it and didn't give a damn, so much so that she said in SoPM that if Okuu reached the surface Kanako would just leave Gensokyo and let it burn, back to getting followers in the outside world.

>>17324450
What if the mist wasn't poisonous and instead they just got high on charisma? Would explain why Reimu could spend days before finally deciding to do something, cause a person with no inherent charisma would need longer to be filled.

>>17336105
>It draws people to it
There's nothing magical about that. It's a pretty cherry tree, that's why people come to see it.
>getting into the netherworld is actually easy
For who, the handful of humans that can fly and regularly travel outside of the village?

>>17338032
>so much so that she said in SoPM that if Okuu reached the surface Kanako would just leave Gensokyo and let it burn, back to getting followers in the outside world.
None of this was ever said.

>>17339658
>There's nothing magical about that
no, it literally lulls them closer into sleep and death

>For who, the handful of humans that can fly and regularly travel outside of the village?
>recently a hole opened in the barrier between the Netherworld and real world, and it has become easier to come and go.

>>17341211
>no, it literally lulls them closer into sleep and death
This was never said anywhere, it's fan interpretation that people would magically be drawn to it. It's the same language used for both the tree and Yuyuko's ability. They're drawn to it because it's pretty, and once its beauty lures them in it gets them to die. This is why sealing the tree is equivalently phrased as sealing its blossoms; without the pretty blossoms there's no reason to go see it.

>recently a hole opened in the barrier between the Netherworld and real world, and it has become easier to come and go
Yes, I know Yukari busted the barrier, that isn't the point. I don't think you get how difficult it is for regular humans to just go anywhere they want, if they even knew they could travel to the Netherworld. Plus, even in this dumb hypothetical scenario where the tree would be able to bring people to it, this would be reason for Yukari to actually fix the barrier rather than let it stay broken out of convenience, and then there's still no problem.

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>>17320706
>>17323709

>>17344878
I don't understand your reasoning in downplaying a tree that has historically taken so many lives it needed to be sealed. And through extra material we know that villagers can and will go wherever they actually CAN go whether it's dangerous or not.

You're basically saying "it's not a big deal even though it was indeed a big deal and everyone had to stop it". Yukari is also not a protector of humans or anything, just a protector of Gensokyo. She has historically let things slide that were objectively dangerous, if not promoting dangerous shit herself (like spreading a rumor of the apocalypse coming during an incident where rumors can become reality).

Simply put, I think you're full of shit mate.