Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1817

Reminder to google the text in cancerous beginner posts before responding to them because someone is copy pasting posts from reddit to fill the thread with noise.

>>17202039
>N2
>beginner

>>17202033
Do previous tests

>>17202052
You idiot.

>>17202055
??

That's the absolute best method in my opinion, it helped me a lot when I took the N2

>>17202033
Put the Genji Monogatri under your pillow. I did this before I took the N1 and I got a perfect score without ever actually studying Japanese.

>>17202089
>>17202039

>>17202091
まくらのしたに

いれてねるって

にほんでもやるんだけど

どこのおくにのしゅうかんなの？

>>17202146
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/6hw1os/how_do_i_practice_reading/

>>17202100
Many people need to send feedback retorts about this. As someone who cares about the /a/ community and rules, trust me when I say djt was a fucking nonfactor and is more on-topic than a solid 50% of all threads. Clearly they listened to a small group of fringe autists who do weird shit like this.

So is this the BR from the /int/ thread spamming these reddit posts?

>>17202174
Who?

>>17202178
The guy that keeps posting that everyone should go to /int/ and that this is just a containment thread for shitposters. The twist is that he was the biggest shitposter of them all.

>>17202187
>The twist is that he was the biggest shitposter of them all.
In what way?

>>17202146
Try reading more and don't focus too much on explicitly writing down many new vocabs.

どうやったら

ひざまくらしてくれる

いいひとができますか

>>17202146
>I was wondering if it is useful and even possible to write many new vocabs down and remember them
It's certainly possible... But is it useful? Hehe... People have different opinions on this matter here... I think you should just go with anki and some reading on the side.

>>17202146
if its your first year or 2, stick to textbooks, they have reading exercises with vocab lists and grammar lessons to go alongside the texts
its really the best method

一人芝居

>>17202146
You could give https://www.satorireader.com a try for reading practice. It breaks down sentences and gives translations as well as readings. Some of the content requires a subscription, but there are a lot of free articles.

>>17202211
He should definitely make an effort to learn vocabulary, which means how to read/write and what it means.

>>17202033
Ask for a refund.

>>17202239
>>17202100

http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/オフパコ
Who's in?

ありがとうメイドさま
それで、何を読んでいるの、アノンくん？

>>17202377
ゆるゆり
蒼の彼方のフォーリズム

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>>17202410
Drink up!

>>17202461
マラソンランナーには何の役に立つ？

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>>17202472
They 役に立つ'd for me as in lessened how much image editing I had to do
>>17202471

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>>17202410
レプがしたくないです！
>>17202413
久しぶりね。
>>17202416
その質問は/int/ を問ってとする。あそこに日本語を喋る玄人がいる。ここで初心者だけです。
>>17202419
10日間超えてレプをしなかった、けど翻訳しないで面白いの品物を読んでいるだから、それもいい
>>17202423
>面白い読み物
エピクポスト、きみ。このポストを作るから、悪い因果をいかにも直してね。
>>17202425
ちんちんを吸って、きみ。
>>17202428
分かった。英語が2つ目勉強した言語人対して、難しくて、自分があなたを非難しない。けど、お前の英語ほど超えた会話に参考するな。
>>17202430
待っている

私の翻訳直してくれてください。

>>17202505
拙い

>>17202511
詳しく説明してお願いします。

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What does /jp/ think about kanji damage? Does it work or are the dick jokes just a distraction?

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>>17202526
No point when anki exists.

>>17202526
Ban evasion is against the rules.

>>17202505
>>17202520
>けど翻訳しないで
意味不明。翻訳されないって言いたかったよな。
>面白いの品物
面白い品物
>このポストを作るから、悪い因果をいかにも直してね
このコメントを作ってから、悪い因果がいかにも直されたね
>お前の英語ほど超えた会話に参考するな
お前の英語力を超えた会話に参加するなって言いたかった。

>僕が愛した友達の そして模型飛行機の
工作用ナイフで切った 指先のちいさな傷跡を
僕はいつまでも愛した
僕たちの内なる優しさの
朝焼けのアスファルトの上に 死んだハトの首筋の
柔らかな暖かさよ
いま僕は 遥か死の意味を解ぐ
さよなら 僕を愛さなかった友達よ

Tranlsate.

>>17202596
No.

>>17202600
Why not? it´s a test

>>17202568
ありがとう！そう、私はまだ初心者です。「言いたかった。」を足した理由が分からない。これから、私がされるをいつ使うことがもっと理解して、まだ難しい。私はtae kimをまた読んだらいい。

>>17202596
The pleasure of being cummed inside.

>>17202596
Poems are one of the most retarded things to translate in any language. Not only are they abstract as shit most of the time, there's not even any point on doing it because it takes out the original meaning.

>>17202612
It's not.

>>17202596
彼じゃない。けど、僕はまだ試みしたいです。笑うな。
>I wrote this for the friend i love
Even though there are scars from tiny cuts by your finger nails
i will always love it
The pigeon's warm neck is lying on the asphalt of my inner selfs glowing kindness
So now, i will go far away from the friend i love to solve this.

>>17202657
>笑うな。
笑わせるな

>>17202657
Now I see >>17202641's point

Would some anons mind posting a picture of their mining cards? Tossing up how to format mine and looking for some inspiration.

>>17201887
How much longer will I keep getting headaches while reading.
I sometimes can't even finish a chapter.

>>17202706
It's your organism telling you to stop reading and go eat some burgers instead

>>17202641
I could translate english lyrics to spanish. Does it hurts to know the meaning of some lyrics? I mean, why do we study something if we end up putting ourselves limitations to use it: can't a japanese student person try to decipher some words forms a song?
I don't think it's "retarded", since it does have a justification.

I thank this anon >>17202657


>>17202649
I always tried to translate everything I could, if I cared enough about it, if I wanted to.
Curiosity.
A game.

>>17202733
No one cares.

>>17202712
is that why i'm malnourished?

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Every day I think about giving up Anki but I never do it

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>43ºC

この暑さでは誰が勉強できるのかよ！！

>彼が、体調不良で全部断っていたらしい面会が俺が繋いでしまったせいで、自分も自分もと来たらしい。
自分も自分もと来たらしい < the fuck does this mean?

>>17202940
私も！私も！　という風に　来た　らしい

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>Posting in DJT before reading Finnegan's Wake in Japanese

http://p-www.iwate-pu.ac.jp/~acro-ito/Joycean_Essays/FW_2JapTranslations.html

>>17203003
>Reading translations when you can read the original work

>>17203016
>>17203003
Who are you quoting?

>>17203016
Fair enough, but I think it's interesting to see how the translators try and convey things.

>>17203025
not (you)

>>17203003
>>17203016
>>17203040
/int/ might be a better choice for you. Check it out.

>下手の考え休むに似たり
ミームの考え休むに似たり
勉強の考え休むに似たり

>>17203047
Checked, came back. Thanks for the rec but it wasn't my thing.

>>17203079
>Thanks for the rec
That was an order, not a suggestion.
>but it wasn't my thing
Does it look like I care? You don't belong here.

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熱いでしょ？
>37º

>>17203090
>/int/ might be a better choice for you. Check it out.
Your order was to check it out, as seen above. And so I did.

>>17203134
Good. Now stay on /int/ since that is where you truly belong.

>>17203174
>>17203134
黙てくださいばかたち

>>17203190
Epic Japanese. Are you a native by any chance?

>>17203174
And so I did, but and so I returned

>>17203207
I don't care. Return to /int/ once again.

>>17203040
>see how the translators try and convey things
It is pretty interesting. But to me, it ended up driving home the point that being a translator is suffering, and that consuming translations means half your experience is a crapshoot based on the style and tendencies of the nearly nameless mook who was available for work at the time.

>reading NHK easy
>it's not easy

>>17203324
Everything is relative

>>17203324
Sounds like you need to take it easy.

>>17203342
>>17203344
Going from anki and grammar guides to actually reading is a painful step.

>still no rikaisama anki plugin
>wasting time drawing/copy pasting kanji when i could just hover it

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>>17203225

>>17203324
>>17203377
Who are you quoting?

今は　デスノート　の漫画を読んでます。振り仮名が本当に助かるですね。

>>17203371
Yep but it's worth it. Once you get the hang of it it's a much more entertaining way to study

>>17203430
そうだな
And it doesn't even look like moon runes anymore

>>17201887
>穴があったら入れたい
lewd

>>17203371
I had anki-droned and tae-kim'd almost exclusively for 5 years, reading only mind-numbing stuff because the good stuff seemed too hard for "my level". The only thing that broke that cycle was finding an untranslated text I had really wanted to read, and fighting through it with a dictionary and a mining deck.
That opened the floodgates, and suddenly anything was readable given enough time. Anki went from the main event to procedural shit I get out of the way each morning before getting moving on to the books.
The time spent struggling through a single page of a novel and noting down a dozen words for your mining deck feels infinitely more effective and rewarding than the same time period spent doing the same old anki reps.

>>17203371
After finished reading sakubi, I continued to read "Read Real Japanese Fiction" book. The hurdle isn't as hard as I initially thought (I am at the very beginning of the book, and it's mentioned that the reading will be getting tougher as I progressed). So far I'm enjoying it because I can check the translation on the other side of the page and use the audio CD for listening/shadowing practice. I think jumping straight to raw materials as a beginner is suicide.

>>17203532
its not suicide you just need to start at the bottom and have some structure for yourself

>>17203532

Nah, suicide is easy.

>>17203532
>I think jumping straight to raw materials as a beginner is suicide.
A beginner starts with stuff like Hanahira, Yotsubato or Kino no Tabi. You don't even have to finish Tae Kim to read those easily.

>>17203742
id say next stop meme city but come on were in djt

>>17203844
Not a meme. Those really are as easy as they say.

Few things are harder than understanding an old man reminiscing about his childhood:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n80mZcRx94

>>17203850
People have claimed that Yotsubato is sometimes not completely beginner-friendly because it contains cases of words that are pronounced differently (mostly by Yotsuba) from how you would look them up in the dictionary.

>>17203850
hanahira seems cute and stupid but it means business

yotubato is shit for honobono loving gomer ass mother fuckers

kino no tabi has some degree of literary and aesthetic depth

how do you recommend any of these to someone who doesnt really know any japanese if youre trying to get people going from the bottom in earnest

学生だ！

>>17203950
It's not a matter of how "serious" a work is, it's just a question of how easy it will be to look things up and figure things out. Kino no Tabi is generally quite minimalist with sentence structure and doesn't throw up red herrings or obscure idioms too often, and that's what makes it ideal.
My own personal recommendation to the absolute beginner however has to be anime. If you can get jap subs that can be turned into a transcript, then you get the all the ease of looking up words and instant mining of a VN, plus the same contextual hints that you would get from the pictures of a manga, and you even get some listening practice at the same time.

What's the best way to retrain your brain when you've learned something wrong? I keep confusing 泊まる with 決まる。

>>17204226
How the fuck did you even manage to do that?

>>17204226
Binge drink until you forget both.

>>17204226
just flip it no problem

>>17204226
Just create a mnemonic or something so that you know which is which if you just think about it for a second, and then force yourself to do exactly that whenever you see either of them.

>>17204226
mnemonic for 泊 in RTK was a shower and white towels if I recall correctly

>>17204226
Just again it the next time you see it in anki if you get it wrong. If you got that particular pair mixed up in a sentence then it would fail to make sense and you would realise anyway so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

>>17204238
I keep reading 泊 as ki, for an unknown reason.

I'll try >>17204267 >>17204286 mnemonic suggestions.

>>17204332
>I keep reading 泊 as ki, for an unknown reason.
you're deciding you're right too quickly

>>17202377
きょうは

つついやすたかを

よもうかなあとおもうよ

お前のアソコ臭いんだよ

If I'm shit at anki (like how should I go about learning Japanese? Or should I just give up?

>>17204226
泊 literally looks like a guy knocking at a door to let him in

>>17204574
what are your stats

>>17204574
Even if you're shit at anki, as long as you're learning something, it's worth it.

>>17204584
it would take me 2 to 3 hours to complete 350 cards

>>17204589
well that only tells me you take far too long per card
if you take only a maximum of ten seconds per card and it still takes you longer than an hour, see a doctor or take up residence in a fish tank

きょうもたのしいひにするよ

きっとそうするよ

>>17204589
I'm 2-3 times faster now than I was a year ago. Everyone gets better with experience.

>>17204620
楽しいだけじゃないこの生き方

漢字あんまり見えないな
ちゃんと勉強してよ！

それどうでもいい

ささいなことにこだわらない

集中しなさい

>>17203866
Because of the reading pack, basically.

>>17202938
Not even when it is 10ºC I can study.

>>17204226
白　泊　拍　
All have はく as a possible reading

how would you anons translate おのれら?
You scum? you bastards?
i know its an extremely rude "you" and a humble "me"

Do the entrances of Shinto shrines have anything to do with kanji? They remind me of 西

>>17205050
What kanji? 鳥居?

>>17205050
the kanji for gate 門 looks very much like one of the entrances.

>>17205061
It actually doesn't

>>17205061
What >>17205064 said. In fact, the original logogram does not derive from those entrances.

>>17205085
you truly do learn something new every day.

>>17205085
>the original logogram does not derive from those entrances
Where does it derive from?

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>>17205199
Whether or not this is historically accurate is beyond the scope of my knowledge

>>17205034
Memorize the words, senpai. Individual kanji study has given you 頭が病気

「私聴すれば耳をして聾せしむ」

「自分の都合に合う言葉だけを聞いたら、耳がないに等しい」という意味だそうだ。

アノン君もちゃんと相手の言っていることを理解しようとしているの？

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ひどい

わたしはちんこが太い

>>17205472
いやいやいや

いやいや

いやいや

いやー

>>17205472
She thicc?

>>17205472
いいことだ

>>17203950
Hanahira is only for Japanese experts. I can read through Albatross with no problem but Hanahira still confuses me with all its broken grammar logic and onomatopoeia. Sometimes I wonder if it's even written in Japanese.

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>>17205246
>Whether or not this is historically accurate is beyond the scope of my knowledge
Kind of, just less cartoonish.

Did you remember to do your listening practice today? Here's a great new gaki episode

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5q1qpg

>>17205043
I wouldn't translate it if I was just reading it, and I wouldn't be translating at all if I couldn't translate it without putting too much thought into it.

>>17205584
Pictographs are so fucking pathetic. When will this disgusting, savage language die?

>>17205603
hey man, you're gonna have to learn sometime in the future what is what, and i wanna learn it right now.

>>17205548
>>17205550
えっち

>>17205616
theres no one size fits all for that biotch

>>17205633
guess scum it is.

>>17205616
>you're gonna have to learn sometime in the future what is what
I know what it means. You seem to know what it means. The only thing to learn would be how to translate, which isn't something anyone in this thread should be doing. Especially if they can't figure out how to translate おのれら on their own.

>>17205614
Nice b8 m8

>>17205643
>The only thing to learn would be how to translate, which isn't something anyone in this thread should be doing. Especially if they can't figure out how to translate おのれら on their own.
i mean, you're right. but im still gonna do it.

>>17205649
Then you are cancer.

>>17205652
>Then you are cancer.
hey man someones gotta translate these shitty fanworks for the enjoyment of my shitty niche fandom im part of.

>>17205655
>someones gotta translate
No, they don't.

>>17205687
youre no better than the guy youre projecting at so just chill on the posting eh

>>17205687
EOPs would usually rather have poorly translated table scraps than nothing. He's only doing the world a true disservice if he discourages people who do know what they're doing from doing work but nobody ever does niche things for free.

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So are these anki sessions just gonna get longer and longer as the reviews build up? I have plenty of free time but idk how much of it I can use on this before I go back to uni.

>>17205725
Cudder used to make this argument all the time while he was trying to convince people to use his poorly edited machine translations.

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>looking at the guide, want a manga to practice with
>see this
>"oh boy, a yuri comedy? This seems like so much fun to read, I love yuri!"
>5 hours later
>just a bunch of liberal horseshit and woman problems with a non ending
>tfw I actually read this whole thing

A-at least I got Japanese practice.

>>17205742
Most problems with NNA (other than the presence of male characters nobody cares about) stemmed from the fact that it paced itself retarded and then got canceled.

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>>17205753
>presence of male characters nobody cares about

I'm gonna be honest here. Normally I'm a huge yurifag. One of my favorite things to think about when watching anime is shipping. All my favorites are yuri comedies. NNA was, however, so horrendously bad, that pretty much the only character I even liked at the end was Kyousuke (the white haired guy). He was genuinely the only likable character in the entire fucking thing. Everyone else was a whiny bitch. This was literally just "female middle school bullshit: the comic." I like YURI, I don't like semi-realistic depictions of women being annoying. Fuck, what a waste of time.

But the relationship between MC's little brother and Kyousuke, that was actually intriguing. Crossdressing is an entertaining plot device.

>>17205780
We're basically as opposite as it is possible to be. I'm not a real yurifag, didn't think it was going to be a comedy from the first chapter preview, truly enjoy anything that might look like "female middle school bullshit: the comic", and thought the cross-dressing charade got just a shade too dumb at some points.

I'm not a historian here, but I think there was a point in time at which yuri was more associated with overdone melodramatic bullshit than school life comedy.

>>17205811
Yeah, I mean I want my romance to be escapism. Real life romance is terrible. I mean I wouldn't really know but based on seeing people and stuff, you know. I was reading a bunch of Namori's one shots before this and thinking about how sweet they are, and then reading this right after just left such a bitter taste in my mouth.

>but I think there was a point in time at which yuri was more associated with overdone melodramatic bullshit than school life comedy

And thank God I'm too much of a newfag to remember that time.

じぶんのみはじぶんでまもらない

にほんのじょうしき

>>17205877
Fuck off, meme

>>17204399
「旅のラゴス」は傑作らしよ
まだ読んだことないけど
「時をかける少女」「七瀬三部作」はよかった

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What the fuck is she saying at 17 seconds in? The fansubs are clearly wrong so it's not that.

https://youtu.be/zzcEtAPyirA?t=17

I hear 今日もうきのもに陰ながら but きのもに doesn't make any sense. What the hell could it be?

今日もう木の藻に?
今日もう木の語に?
今日もう木の野に?
今日もう木の鬼?
今日もう木の荻?
今日もうキノコに?
狂猛気のように?

At first I just thought "haha, silly fansubbers, it's not 木のもとに" but then I realized I couldn't make heads or tails of it either.

Is there much difference between のかもしれない and かもしれない? I'm assuming the just の adds a slight explanatory/inquisitive nuance, but I could be wrong.
>「あー、これ、切られちゃったのかも」
Can't really make sense of it in context here, anyways.

>>17205614

What else do you expect from a writing system that originated from bones and turtle shells thrown into a fire?

>>17206024
The pleasure of being cummed inside.

>>17205299

>聴するば
>聾せしむ
>耳がないに

誰が言った
意味わかんない
古語かな

>>17206025

Yeah. Or のminalizer. Depends.

>>17206024
"今日を昨日に変えながら"に きこえる

I'm having difficulty trying to understand what she's saying in this panel.
>In our current times, doing things like saying who should be responsible for what
>will result in one being considered to fill up the pages for the time when the manuscript gets dropped.
Apparently, this is supposed to be a reference that time when Kumeta had to fill his spot in the magazine with some random sports article because the head editor was away or something, not too sure.

I guess I'm still not good enough to read Kumeta's work.

>趣味な人間もいる。
な just makes it a less concrete relation than using の right? Something like an "interested person" or "hobbyist", rather than strictly a "person of interest" with の?

>>17206060
アノン君、ことわざは大体そういうものだよ。
頑張っているアノン達のためにこういうことわざもあるんだよ

「淵に臨みて魚を羨むは退いて網で結ぶが如かず」
->
「水の中の魚を長く眺めても、釣ろうとしないと何も起こらない」
->
つまり「欲しいものは欲するだけでは手に入らない」という意味だそうだよ。

アノン達も欲しいものを手に入れるために頑張ってね。

>>17206089
Please respond

>>17206089
>>17206155
How about you give us that panel and then we can help you ( Or laugh at you )

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>>17206075

くそ。確かにそれしかないな。ありがたいがムカつく。「を」の前のモーラが「も」に聞こえ、「変えながら」の「え」が鼻濁音化された「が」にも聞こえる。ちゃんとENUNCIATEしろ日本人め！！！

>>17206149

欲しいものは彼女を作るんだ

作り方を教えてくれない？

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>>17206161
I thought for sure I did upload did.

>>17206149
>淵に臨みて魚を羨むは退いて網で結ぶが如かず
>が如かず
>が

に、です。叱ってないけど

>>17206196
"If you try to pin this on someone's fault nowadays,it gets seen as a lackluster excuse for having missed your deadline."

Can't say I know much about the context or the author, but for clarification　「原稿を落とす」 is a specific term which means "Missing the deadline for a publication, so the pages where you should been are now blank."

>>17206213
Oh, I see, thanks.

>眼
>眠

Why Japanese people??

>>17206219
Because it's got nothing to do with Japanese people. The right hand parts indicate the pronunciation in Chinese.

>>17206353
ただの演技だろう

>>17206377
I know two of those.

>>17206024
>>17206075
>>17206163
>きょうをきのうにかえながら

だね。ちゃんとはつおんしないほうがわるいよ

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>>17206377

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>>17206408

>>17201887
What's a good format for a deck with japanese definitions?

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>>17206219
>おかねば
どうして日本人

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チルノの注文を無視するばだめです！

>>17206970
あんのおっぱい化物誰?

What's the common term for flat chested girls?
ぺちゃんこ?

I need this for my Japanese studies.

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>>17206986
どういういみだ！？

>>17207013
ぺたんこ

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>そのアニメからただ勉強された単語を聞いた気
文章を分かるの？

>>17207013
ぺったんこ
貧乳

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>>17207144
品乳

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>>17207160
微乳

>>17204574
I used anki for only two weeks when I first started and decided it was shit, instead I just read manga and studied grammar and now I'm fluent. Don't believe in the flashcard meme, some people (like me) remember stuff really well only when its used in a context, as in reading an actual story rather than example sentences.
君ならできるよ！
Reading song lyrics is also a good way to remember kanji

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>小林さんちのメイドラゴン
Why is there a ち?

>>17207209
As in
＼(・ω・＼)SAN値!(／・ω・)／ピンチ!

>>17207209
家

>>17207209
うち contraction
ignore tawake >>17207238

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いいセンス

>>17207263
こういう時は正しいツッコミが苦手です
ごめん

>>17207263
待たせちゃったか

/jp/のヤバいにはうんざりだな

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>>17207263
ユア　プリティー　グッド

>>17207206
>I just read manga
>I'm fluent
No you're not

>tfw can't find jap subs for the anime you want

VN scripts guy, are you here?
I've got the scripts to a game called Tsuushinbo.
It's be great if you could get the line / character count from them while adding them to your corpus.
https://mega.nz/#!n0ozzKIA!w4L3ZS0RwDkeiJCDQLiyaI9ILSoEyVsnN-lQ3MUDTj0

Anybody know good android apps for reading Japanese? Something like rikaichan or Kanji image recognition for on the fly lookups

>>17207206
when you were reading would you just look stuff up in a dictionary all the time or what?
Also when you say "fluent" what do you mean? You can read anything handed to you?

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人生を後悔している人は俺だ。
今まで日本文化とか、日本語とかを勉強したのに、俺の人生は全然良くない。　
日本語じゃなくて、計算機科学とかを勉強をするべきだった。

You can't change the past though... oh well :(

>>17207635
Go back to /int/.

>>17207206
Anon, im doing exactly the same thing as you, however, do you also search up every word and grammatical concept you dont know like me? Or do you somehow just wing it?
Im kinda worried about your "im fluent in japanese just by reading manga!" Statement

>>17207635
ここは君のブログじゃない

>>17207635
何歳？多分而立未満だろう？そうじゃなくて３０代であってもそれはそれでまだ比較的に若いよ。確かに１５歳で始まったやつは利点を持っているがそんなことはどうでもいい。人生は競走じゃないし必ず上には上がある。グズグズしないで計算機科学かなにかを勉強して人生を変えろ。

そして陳腐なアドバイスではあるがジムに行け。健康から成功。今作った諺。

>>17207624
Let's have a debate about what fluency means!

>>17207796
Its the point when learning a language in which you no longer require to constantly look up things and or ask what something means to read/listen to and/or answer to something

>>17207796
Just being able to convey your ideas and meaning across and understanding others comfortably is fluency to me desu

studying ahead on anki doesn't move the cards further if hit good or easy? I get less cards the next day but it seems they are stuck in the same time frame.

>>17207796
届かない夢爆笑

Got my first smartphone ever and being able to squeeze in five minutes whenever and wherever is super helpful. Is there a realkana app or something I can download? Tinycards is nice, but a bit slow for when I just need to make sure I have all the characters ingrained as second nature. I've started and stopped learning about a dozen times so I keep getting rusty enough that I have to start from square one.

Speaking of tiny cards, anyone have any good card packs to help with kanji?

>>17207896
You need the anki app and literally nothing else

>>17207932
So it's worth the 25 bucks? Well, alright then.

>>17207957
>iphone
Use ankiweb

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/copyfish-ocr-software/ o-oh!

>>17208048
Ah, thanks. Like i said, first smartphone I've ever had so I'm still figuring things out. Though I probably still will get the app at some point just to toss him some money.

>>17208060
People here have been saying it's not the original author of anki who owns the iphone app

>>17208100
Here's what the official website (https://apps.ankiweb.net/) has to say:
>iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch
>AnkiMobile is a paid companion to the free computer program, for use on Apple devices. By purchasing the app, you help to support Anki's future development.
>Android Devices
>AnkiDroid is written by a separate group of people. As it was based off the free desktop code I make available, the AnkiDroid developers decided to make the Android version free as well.

>>17208053
This apparently uses (through a web API) the Microsoft OCR library, which I had never heard of.

https://ocr.space/blog/2015/04/new-free-online-ocr-service.html

This claims it's a bit better than Abbyy for Chinese characters and much better than the Tesseract.

>>17208144
I just tested it out a bit on chrome, and it also supports rikaikun and similar pop-up dictionaries, so it looks fairly useful for reading.

>>17208100
>>17208118
>By purchasing the app, you help to support Anki's future development.
So wait, I'm a bit confused then. Does purchasing the app help support Anki and the original guy, or just some random coders who stole the name? I think I'm okay with it if it's official, but made by a different group so long as some of hte money helps the desktop version.

>>17208197
The iOS app is endorsed on the official site, and it's stated explicitly that purchases support Anki's development. What more do you need to hear?

It's actually the Android program that's coded by other people, but it's all cool since PC Anki is free software and so is the Android app. The name itself may not be free, but the fact that they're mentioned on the homepage means the original author is either cool with it or at least resigned to it.

>>17208223
The wording was vague enough that coupled with the other comment made me think it might be a bit on the sketchy side, so I wanted to be sure before i actually bought anything. "Support Anki's development" could have been referring to /just/ the mobile app for example and they have nothing to do with the actual creator, for example. But I tend to overthink things.

>>17208235
He is pretty vague about it on the website, but if you look up his name and the name of his company (Ankitects Pty Ltd) you can get some more information.
For example,
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7540530

Does AnkiMobile have any additional features that AnkiDroid does not?

>>17201887
Fuck the DJTguide. After using that shit for a year and basing my studies off that, doing "studying" of japanese, i was barely competent.

Found AJATT 5 months ago and literally have improved so much. Immersion is the best way.

>>17208496
>Immersion is the best way.
But that's what the guide and everyone in these threads recommend. The fact that you presumably spent a year doing nothing but basic shit like Tae Kim and Anki is entirely on you.

>>17208496
AJATT is a gateway learning aid of the worst kind. It's a bad site, a clusterfuck of blogposts and lists that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive new age faggotry and INSPIRATION. The normal anon can see this as the shit it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the site itself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad.

However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable underageb& faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The silverspoon customers all trying their hardest to look cool, the forum members, peculiar, colorful posts, the whole SRS faggotry and everything about the AJATT world fuels their escapist fantasies, while the pity-party html backgrounds, emphasis on words, and overall preachiness of the site make it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average preteen and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes little kiddies and underageb& retards eat this shit right the fuck up.

AJAT is basically THE site to attract the most hated Japanese learner base known to /a/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to troll the fuck out of this site and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no AJATT threads ever encourage the newfriends to show their faces here.

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>>17208496
How the fuck did you study Japanese for a year and end up barely competent? Please explain, I'm actually interested in how this happened.

>>17208547
New learner here. Thanks for calling him out on his bullshit.

>>17208547
This post is beautiful.

>「随分ゆかいな彼女だな、
>「ゆかいなのは認めるが、彼女じゃない」
>女子達とは少し離れたところで様子を眺める僕と相羽。
I'm a bit confused by the second and third line here, I think the second line means something like "I admit that she is cheery, but she isn't a girl." The third is a bit beyond me, "For girls, they observe the situation a bit away", but I don't really understand what 僕と相羽 is doing.

>use core6k optimized in order (deck curated with related kanji for a supposedly better learning)
>somehow nearly half the deck it jumps to core 2k (それ、一 and all that n5 baby shit).

it's weird. Shouldn't that start right at the beginning?

>>17208637
Who are you quoting?

what do you guys think of learnjapaneseonline.info?

I don't agree with everything on the site and the woman seems a bit fucking crazy, but a lot of it seems to be well thought out.

>>17208628
彼女 means girlfriend here

And the third line says that they are observing the situation from a place away from the girls.

>>17208653
Thanks. So essentially it means being conscious of how they look in public, from 女子達 in this case?

>>17208664
>So essentially it means being conscious of how they look in public, from 女子達 in this case?

That's not the impression I had, I don't think there is a specific nuance, it's just plainly describing the situation.

>>17208547
who the fuck cares about any of this when the end goal is learning japanese

>>17208670
Yeah that makes sense in further context. Also to clarify, 僕と相羽 is modifying the clause before right? Hence meaning "they" not simply "me"?

>>17208645
He's not quoting anybody. He's explaining what had happened. That should be obvious if you're not a fucking retard.

>>17208723
Why would you use the quote function for something other than quoting? I don't get it, why don't you just type normally?

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How do I make it stop?

>>17208733
Uninstall anki.

>>17208699
Accurately speaking 僕と相羽 doesn't modify anything, it is what is BEING modified. By modifying 僕と相羽 with 女子達とは少し離れたところで様子を眺める, the sentence is figuratively painting a picture of the current situation.

This kind of sentence is pretty common but it's hard to explain because it's not really directly translateable to english. Basically the whole sentence is just one big noun clause and not a full actual sentence like one would think of in english, because there is no verb acting on the top level noun clause. This has a somewhat different feel than a normal sentence with an actual top level verb, for example 僕と相羽は女子達と少し離れたところで様子を眺める

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>>17208733
THERE IS NO ESCAPE

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>>17208733
Stop skipping days, anon.

>>17208814
I just capped reviews for a few days and now I can't get rid of them.

>>17208831
Were you not told enough times? Never limit your reviews.

とりあえずお水で洗わないと～！

Why is the verb in the negative form when it's clear from the context that the listener should indeed wash?

>>17208867
洗わないとならない

>>17208881
Well that makes sense. I'm still pretty bad when sentences are contracted, thanks anon

>>17208900
Google's always there for you.

>>17208628
>>17208743
This type of sentence that ends in a noun phrase being described by the rest of the sentence is an example of a literary device called 体言止め, nominal closing, which dates back to classical poetry. The general idea is that one small part of a scene is described in a way that suggests a larger scene for the reader to imagine in their mind. It can't be translated directly into English, you have to come up with some other way of evoking imagery if you want to emulate it.

>>17208723
>>17208729
anyway, i was hoping for a "me too" response

back to my reps i guess

https://youtu.be/5MTc263NvVE
Why is this guy linked in the guide resources when he clearly has a beginner's grasp of Japanese? He doesn't even know the difference between いる and ある.

>>17209210
because being azn = instant cred

Why is the core 2k deck that's divided into steps trying to teach me how to say "prime-minister" in step fucking 3?

>>17209290
>Why is the core 2k deck that's divided into steps

Why do people keep downloading this shit? I even posted a comment on the ankiweb site warning that it's not the right deck.

>>17209290
What if you were just out there on the streets, minding your own business and suddenly some guy walks up to you, puts a gun against your head and shouts: "You better tell me right the fuck now how to say prime-minister in Japanese or I will blow your damn head off!!"
You should not ask questions like that until you are more experienced in life

>>17209345
Well fuck, is there a simple way to mark cards I've already seen as mature?

>>17209348
You make a good point.

>>17209210
I'll remove it.

>>17208496
AJATT and DJT are the same thing. AJATT, DJT, JALUP, Anti moon, Kaufmann, Krashen, it's all the same shit. As long as you're not doing Fluent in 3 Months like a retard you'll get somewhere.

>>17209085
The exact same device is used quite a lot in english poetry, it's just that you can't be quite as free and extensive with it as you can in japanese.

>>17209371
>Well fuck, is there a simple way to mark cards I've already seen as mature?

I would just keep the cards you've already done from the shitty deck and push the delete key when a repeat from the correct deck shows up.

If you google 'anki remove card type'. there should be a simple way to delete the sentence cards and other garbage from the step deck.

>懐に入る
にはいる
にわいる
どっちですか？

>>17201887
I'm trying to read 2ch and people do often finish their sentences with では？ or のでは？
like in this example:
もう、今ではShareもPDもユーザー数は大差ないのでは？
多分、Shareの方が特定しやすいからだと思う、初心者多そうだし。
Could somebody explain this to me? I can't understand those sentnces.

>>17209653
Short for ではないか. Just makes the preceding assertion sound less certain.

>>17209639
にいる
です

>>17209394
>AJATT, DJT, JALUP, Anti moon, Kaufmann, Krashen
What is all of that and why would someone who doesn't visit /int/ know about it?

>>17209754
sounds like youre just as bad as >>17208547

Are there really people in this thread who don't recognize >>17208547?

you couldve stopped at are there really people in the thread

What's the difference between something like
>君のいないせかい
and
>君がいないせかい


I think I've seen both used, but they seem to serve the same purpose... Do they shift the emphasis of the sentence?

>>17207103

>ただ(勉強された単語)
>ただの(勉強された単語)

>>17209811
They have the same meaning, の can replace が in relative clauses.

>>17209825
I'm pretty sure the meaning is the same, but I was wondering if there's some way they give a slightly different feeling

>>17209811
What >>17209825 said. The difference between の and が is a stylistic difference. You might be の used if somebody is trying to be a bit more emphatic.

起きる :)
起こる :(
起こす :(

what the fuck

>>17209843
You're dumb as shit.

>>17209843
If it helps, those are all 訓読み words. おきる　おこる　おこす sound entirely different. If you want to see real fuckery, write のぼる as 上る rather than 登る

>>17209860
It was just confusing for a second since I thought for sure 起こる would be the wake up verb and not 起こす but I like to think of "occur" now so it helps

>>17209843
For 起きる and 起こる, see https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/summary/kotoba/term/046.html - basically, both can be used for the "occur" meaning but only 起きる can be used for "waking up" etc.
起こす is a transitive verb.

>>17201887
Copy pasted from the djt website feedback:-

The website associated with the "manga" link on the djt website has been brought up to date. Why this information posted is because the site itself has been archived along with a tabbed spaced version of the manga data and volumes missing from the CoR, as per the previous data the site maintainer provided.

At the bottom is a mega link. This will remain online with the intention of someone with knowledge of webdev and programming to take this data and improve the site.

Relevant information for any added series can be posted to djt feedback, for the CoR, or if anyone else decides to host/overhaul the current manga site.

The sorts of requested features are simply above my level of knowledge or desire to dedicate time to learn. This is why someone who knows these things are much better suited to handle this sort of thing. Hopefully the data I have provided can be easily enough slotted into a database and handled programmatically, as I have been told is the preferred method for these sorts of things.

The moemanga.neocities website will remain, as I intend to over time continue to add the not yet added series found on Sheet12 of the Google Sheet linked at the bottom. However, as mentioned above, the only further time spent on the site will be when the previously mentioned manga series are added.

https://mega.nz/#F!VYRy2CoZ!amGOWbl4tSGMwiA2Prv1Hw
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jcn7Z4tbdRblEGnq6jzfW_sc-cOekTSs_N8z7mqb8Uc/edit?usp=sharing

Missing volumes, pastebin form:
https://pastebin.com/1AUDfZWb

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>>17210351

すいません、英語知らないので日本語だけで話せる
僕が伝えたいことは、
この世に生きることが意味がある
それは「生まれたことが意味がある」ではなく、「生きることが意味がある」だ
それだけだ
さらばだ

そっか

そう

I fell off the Japanese learning train for several months, and while it's obvious Duolingo is shit as a learning tool, I'm finding it very useful to blast through all the lessons for a quick refresh.

>>17210436
>while it's obvious Duolingo is shit as a learning tool,
It isn't. It might as well be the best tool we as a species currently have.

>>17210444
>20 minutes a day is "insane"
>doesn't explain shit, better hope you can pick up all grammar intuitively or you're fucked
>expects you to know katakana and kanji after one viewing
Nah

>>17210461
Who are you quoting?

>>17210436
It's certainly the only tool I've found that can make someone 17% fluent in Swedish in less than a week.

>>17210479
>17%
You could actually bump it up to about 30% if you use the "Premium edition".

ニュース速報

わたしはゲイ

>>17210466
>Who are you quoting?
このミームは僕に腹立てしまう
Warning, I have no idea what I'm typing; that's surely shit nonsense grammar -- would someone be so kind as to point out my flaws?

>>17210491
You don't belong in this thread. I suggest using the other "DJT" over at /int/

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>>17210501
すみません　；＿；
私の経験はアニメをみるのだけだよ
たすけてくれ、おねがいします
CALLE

>>17210491
怒らないで

日本語がネイティブですのでここに来る理由を明かすことを拒んでいたようです大爆笑

Can someone think of a decent way to translate "アベコベランデヴー?"
I was thinking "A Wayward Rendezvous" but that feels like it losing some of the meaning in transition.
It's the title of a doujin https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=63052866

>>17210608
I've never actually looked through the guide, but if that was the only purpose to these threads it would be better as a locked sticky. It's the discussion that I can't understand. People who don't know what they're talking about giving people who don't know better bad advice, or intentionally misleading them. I don't know why anyone's first instinct when they get confused about something would be to go ask a bunch of people who are probably as clueless as they are.

>>17210608
>Unless the guide is somehow mistaken?
It's teaching you Korean, not Japanese

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>私は決して日本語の新聞を読むことできるようの気
悲しくて悔しい。何年も何年練習必要がありますそう。

なぜそんなことしたいの

>>17201893
Fk off m8 I'll prove you wrong

>>17210647
It doesn't deserve a locked sticky I don't think, the language evolves and so do the methods used to teach it. Anki isn't that old, supermemo dates back to the 1980s but I don't know if that ever had a GUI like this.
Decks might need a bit of touch up. New content is added to the COR separately but announced here.
The criticism of beginners asking beginners is valid however knowing one is a beginner and still offering advice is poor form. I've only been learning for a year and a half and still would never offer advice unless it was the most basic fuckup imaginable.

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>>17210694
>これ言いながら、英語を使った

>>17210733
>The criticism of beginners asking beginners is valid however knowing one is a beginner and still offering advice is poor form
I think beginners can help each other -- they just need to back up their claims with solid evidence (i.e. link to a source). It's possible that they had just recently struggled with something that someone just brought up.

>>17210809
ok heres your first task: help this guy out >>17210737

>>17210817
Producing is above my level ;)
先輩にこれを任せます
...
but if I were to try, I would have worded it completely different. Something like
＞英語で書いた
＞ｗｗｗｗ

>>17209794
We all have watched nurutu.

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たいへんおにいちゃん

６じかんで１５０ミリくらい

あめふった

あめというよりむしろ滝だった

あっちこっちで水害おこるかも

>>17210921
しぬなよ
泳げるね(´・ω・｀)

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>>17210939
にほんじんみんなおよげるよ

川の水位がすっごいあがった

というかレッドラインちょっとこえた

どいなかでもヤバイ級の雨が

トウキョウにむかっているよ

もしかするとしびとがでるかもしれないよ

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>>17209870
Thanks for the link. I've been wondering about that too.

>>17211137
>>17209884
oops

Can anyone tell me what the best deck to use for Anki is?
https://ankiweb.net/shared/decks/japanese

There are so many different ones I don't know which to use.

>>17211156
Read the op.

>>17211060
すごい水量みたい
いくつでもてるてる坊主はきかない
それは非凡な量よね

>>17211190
Do I really only want a 6k deck, though? I just assumed the guide was out of date. Are there just no good 10k core decks?

>>17211196
You should ditch core and start reading and mining well before 10k, perhaps even before 2k.

>>17211218
That's a fair point. I'll just stick with the 6k deck then. Thank you for the advice, anon.

So in essence , if I learn the pronunciation of each 'kana' and how grammar works, I can pretty much learn from watching anime?

>>17211332
You won't know what any kanji look like, so you'll never be able to read.

>>17211332
Yeah.

>>17211332
>and how grammar works
grammar guides worth a damm use kanji though

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>>17211345
>>17211351
Kanji is a meme. You do not need it.

>>17211332
You don't need kana or grammar to learn from anime, they will help though

>>17211365
This sure is a lot of effort for a troll.

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>>17211365
only five year olds believe this