Umineko /seacats/ thread

Who will cry next time?

I want to hug Lambda-nee.

>>16938590
When the dogs cry.

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When the Jaypees Cry

>>16938683
But we always cry.

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>>16938674
when the wandering dogs cry

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>tfw months of boredom awaits me

>>16939042
Upload pls

>>16939070
Upload what?

>>16939106
Meakashi torrent

>>16939114
all of Hou is up online, unless you can only read Higurashi with the mangagamer art there's no reaosn for you to wait for a torrent of meakashi-hen.

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Anyone has sauce on this Beato?

>>16939939
my bed last night is the source

I wish ZUN would draw the voyager witches...

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>>16939003
That Zel doesn't look sexy at all~

>>16938618
I want to see Lambda-nee pee herself!

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What would a D&D game between them be like?

>>16940647
Mion is the GM
Rena has fun roleplaying
Rika goes full powergamer like Erika does in Witches and Woodlands
Satoko doesn't understand the rules and argues with Mion all time

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>>16938590
When the doves cry, obviously.

>>16938590
Ryukishi

beato

bern

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>>16941649
anon

>>16941671

BEATO

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>>16941679
ANON

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>>16941686

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>>16941686

>>16937987
>She took her bad sides, but is homosexuality a bad side ?
Absolutely. Having sexual feelings for Satoko, a pure being, is bad. It's part of what Hanyuu removed from Rika and gave to Bernkastel.

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http://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/none/umineko-when-they-cry-episode-7-requiem-of-the-golden-witch-vol-1/9780316411899/?yen

>On Sale Date: 11/14/2017

At least it's not cancelled.

>>16941909
> 11/14/2017
I wonder why it's so long now. The time between the other volumes was only 3-5 months

>>16938587
Those are some long ass legs.

I dressed up my tulpa as Lambdadelta.

>>16942892
>Tulpa
Those still exist?

>>16942897
Without love she cannot be seen.

George is a hippo.

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Has any one read Harem Game?
I've just started and it looks like absolute trash.

Is this even written by Ryukishi?

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Did Mystery-kun leave us?

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>>16944129
Yes

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The first page is filled with Umineko references just to rub salt on the wound.

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>>16944222
Definitely this is what old man should create if he wants to be remembered as a good writer.

http://hkacger.com/archives/38504
What is this? Is this the next When they cry?

>>16944338
No, it's a Higurashi VR thing.
here's the interactive trailer http://higurashi-pj.jp/

>>16944338
Whatta

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No Walpurgisnacht Seacats edition? Why even live?

>>16944383
Ok, now I NEED to learn Japanese.

>>16944338
>>16944383
I can't read chink, is this going to be a remake of Higurashi with VR or is it a more small-scale project?

Hoping for the former, since a VR version of Onikakushi would be amazing.

>>16944222
What does it say ?

>>16944383
2spooky

Why do goats always say that Umineko was shit because it didn't give any answers? Didn't EP7 give you most of the answers, even if they were pretty vague?

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>>16946544
Because they're dumb goats, or Episode 3 destroyed their sense of trust so much that the vagueness of it was just brushed off as another trick.

>>16944144
I hope Mystery-kun is okay. I loved his mysteries.

I finished EP. 5 last night, is it normal to be confused or am I just retarded?

>>16948166
What are you confused about?

Has any new WTC thing (Hotarubi, anything really) been translated since I last visited here many months ago?

>>16941909
Finally.

>>16944633
Who is this, anon?

>>16948166
Conufsed as to what?

>>16948183
>Has any new WTC thing (Hotarubi, anything really) been translated
No.

>>16948166
It's fine to be confused.

>>16948166
It's okay, I still don't know how half of episode 2's murders were comitted

http://www.higurashi-pj.jp/

HIGURASHI VR FELLAS

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>>16948166
You might be retarded.

>>16948183
>Has any new WTC thing (Hotarubi, anything really) been translated since I last visited here many months ago?

There's this
https://github.com/07th-mod/higurashi-console-arcs

>>16949993
>https://github.com/07th-mod/higurashi-console-arcs
Why'd they pick arcs that were manga originals and whose mangas were already officially translated?

>>16950087
because they are the best

>>16950377
Wouldn't it make more sense to translate something that hasn't been translated? I've been waiting to read Hanyuu's backstory since it came out.

>>16950436
There's a poll for what to translate next. Doesn't look like Kotohogushi is winning though
https://strawpoll.com/ee8gge6

>>16950087
Someutsushi and Onisarashi aren't exacly the same. They have some differences and also different endings

>>16950553
Honestly, I've long since given up on trying to keep track of all the Higurashi side arcs. Just how many are there now?

>>16948738
I thought I was the only one.

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Grab the furniture!

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>>16952842
>awkward animation was actually foreshadowing for fake boobs

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>>16953016

Reminder that Erikas theme is mediocre

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>>16953016

Saved

>>16953086
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE7Qvi2V-8o
This one ? I think it's great.

>>16950468
>Miotsukushi so low
Ffs, I get voting for an answer arc to the one that just got released, but Yoigoshi and Tokihogushi instead of Matsuri arcs?

>>16953238
That's the alternate ending to episode 8, right? It makes more sense for that one to be translated later, since it acts more like a finale to all the other arcs.

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>>16952842
Okay, now what?

>>16953444
That's some dedication mate, but honestly I don't care. I can't sexualize Uminekos. It's cool you're trying to do shit and giggle, but instead try to sexualize some non-masterpiece like naruto or something.

>>16941761
EET'S BASKETBALL

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>>16944144
>>16947495
Mystery-kun here. Sorry for being away for a bit, I've been busy. I hope to have a new mystery for you all to enjoy soon.
Actually come to think of it, I seem to remember the last mystery being left unsolved, although that was quite a few threads ago now.

>>16953444
Same thing the other anon said. Good work, but at a certain point characters just start feeling too real for me to be able to sexualize them in this kind of crude way.

>>16957364
Be careful you don't become a bird in a cage anon-chan! There's no such thing as obligation on an imageboard.

>>16953444
Now do something with sprites that actually look decent instead of posting Steam shit repeatedly

>>16956118
I can only sexualize Umineko because I love it so much. I wouldn't be able to put in the time otherwise.

>>16957488 Sexualizing the good sprites feels wrong.

>>16957844
It's okay since you're not going to touch the original sprites.

>>16956118
Umineko has nothing to do with anime.

>>16957364
It's alright, everybody has a life to take care of.

what the fuck are wrong with the people in this thread

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fuuuuuck i lost my wallpaper folder and the most important wallpaper with it

does anyone have clean hi res version of this?

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>>16957475
>>16959220
True. I won't put myself out. There's periods where I'm on /seacats/ every day, and then there's weeks where I'm not. But don't worry if you like mysteries, I'll always be popping in now and then to enjoy a game with my fellow anons.

>>16959220
I don't

guys i think i might be getting a faint interest in higurashi

what do

>>16961828
the guy was bullshiting you, you weren't spoiled, please read higurashi it's great

>>16962984
Even if you WERE spoiled on Higurashi it'd be worth reading.

Umineko is the best thing mankind ever created. Prove me wrong faggets.

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So the tiny bombs theory is the canon, right?

>>16964016
Pretty much. Gohda was juggling with some explosive Belgium chocolates when he suddenly got distracted, which caused the chocolates to fly around and land inside the 6 victims' mouths. Following their instincts, all of them swalled the chocolates and died.

>>16964016
Is there a complete translation for Tsubasa?
The one I read had some chapters still in japanese.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFyzTtKNzYI
I want to kill myself to this song

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IT HAS BEEN 10 YEARS ALREADY
WHERE ARE THE OFFICAL HAPPY MARIA LYRICS RYUKISHI
FUCK

>>16967089
Hidden in the catbox.
Magical Gohda chef will always be the truth for me.

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Is there a way to get these painting pictures in a higher res? I was planning on making an actual painting to hang on my wall of a few of them.

>>16967768
Here are the original files from the game. If you want them even bigger you could try waifu2x.
http://imgur.com/UT00rxP
http://imgur.com/SMQ5bHX
http://imgur.com/Dt8xmI3
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http://imgur.com/dhz6HDE
http://imgur.com/1deUhkJ
http://imgur.com/ghLTwjJ
http://imgur.com/nUATXsQ

>>16967813
Pretty sure there's hq png versions of those.

>>16967813
>that corpse hand behind Erika in her painting
Never noticed

>>16967932
Those are png. And they're high enough quality that they're too big to post here.

>>16967948
Nevermind. It seems imgur converted them to jpg.

>>16967813
Who is the artist behind those ?

>>16967965
Ekusa Takahito

>>16967978
Thanks.
Too bad he didn't do anything else in the same art style, I like it a lot.

>>16960812
Episode 7 and 8's manga were really well done. 8 in particular was in many ways even better than the original.

>>16941963
>http://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/none/umineko-when-they-cry-episode-7-requiem-of-the-golden-witch-vol-1/9780316411899/?yen

I bet it's because it's hard for them to keep Lion Ushiromiya genderless. tfw Witch Hunt did the entire translation in the exact same time including narrating and more complicated translations

>tfw you'll never read Umineko for the first time again

>>16968034
you see I don't feel that way. To me the way how episode 8's manga handled the events of episode 8 lost a lot of the magic to me. The idea that the magic ending was the start of everything in the meta world was kind of dumb for me, and I didn't like the POV choice. It being so literal took a lot out of me.

>>16969002
>I didn't like the POV choice. It being so literal took a lot out of me.
What do you mean? What POV choice?

>The idea that the magic ending was the start of everything in the meta world was kind of dumb for me
You mean the bit with the drowning scene leading in to the start of Legend? Yeah, I get how that might not sit well with some, since it makes the first tea party more confusing. But personally, I thought it was handled rather well, and it was a nice way to further tie Tohya into the epilogue by having him come to terms with his lost identity and letting it rest in the Golden Land.

But even setting that aside, I think the other changes were very well done. The hide-and-seek scene's felt a lot more emotionally charged than the quiz tournament was. Erika's rematch with Battler being over Episode 5's events rather than a hypothetical closed room gave her a chance to redeem her previous failure. Having the Ushiromiya's fight against the future interpretations of themselves made the battle of the Golden Land feel much more personal than when it was just a bunch of faceless goats. Finally, Confession of the Golden Witch is something I think everyone who reads the vn should see at some point. I'm not saying the original was bad at all, but seeing all those minor tweaks and additions made reading the manga really enjoyable for me.

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Do we know anything about why zts hasn't worked with ryukishi since Umineko?
Because it is pretty worrying

>>16971080
Zts was probably a goat murdered by Featherine during the great purge of 1998. Rip in peace Zts.

>>16972556
Well done, i like it.

is it possible to have sex with a seacat?

>>16972583
Everything's possible as long as you believe hard enough.

>>16972583
That depends on who you have in mind.

>>16969334
George is an idiot.

>>16973151
I mean, I felt the same as George. Umineko was my first mystery.

>>16973562
Also, it's really hard to believe someone you hold dear could be capable of such atrocities (and more so when you're young and have no experience).

>>16973587
How do you think Ange felt?

>tfw you'll never console Ange
Why even live

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Really, Ryukishi?

>>16974564
will he ever recover from this?

>>16974564
>>16975359
what is this?

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>>16976009
Fate

>>16948183
>Who is this
looks like some avatarfag's edit.

>>16953444
now do it with virgilia.

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>>16976541
I'm surprised there's a demand for her.

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>>16976795
I'm a Virgiliafag and even I'm surprised to see that request.

>>16976829
Who is the least popular witch, Virgilia or Featherine?

>>16976850
Virgilia or who?

>>16976850
I would say Featherine. There's enough people that only know Umineko by the anime that they have no idea about Featherine's existence. And then there's the portion of those who do know Featherine/Ikuko and believes she's the author's self-insert and view her negatively.
I don't mind too much if Virgilia is the least popular, overall she's a minor character after the 3rd episode.

>>16976133
Pretty hilarious how a mystery novel has better fights than one of the most popular VNs that is mainly about fights

>>16976795
s-source?

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>>16976923
it's from a paizuri doujin featuring some umineko characters
https://exhentai.org/g/986101/f066bdc59e/?p=3

>>16976886
Featherine's only real relevance outside the fandom is her high position in powerlevel discussions.

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What will it take for Ryukishi07 to create masterpiece again?
Im afraid he won't bring about a miracle this time.

>>16977305
Complete control over the security system of a building in Dubai, a bunch of guns, a master key, some speakers to play zts UNTZ tracks and an accomplice to post about it on the internet
Some of you goats are alright, don't go to Dubai tomorrow

>>16977305
Believing in him.
He created Higurashi when he was just a nobody, then he managed to create Umineko. Even after losing BT, he's earned thousands and thousands of fans across the globe. He is writing these stories for us to enjoy. As his fans, giving him our support as he works on it will help him pull through. Believe, anon.

>>16977360
Did ZTS quit on us?
I think he might've thought his talent is wasted on "Umineko" (doujin) and went on to do something else.

>>16977367
I would believe, but I know he was in writers hell after BTs death and goats shitting on his child of love after EP7.
Im just afraid the guy might not be willing to pour his heart out again, just to be hurt.

>>16977586
Rose Guns Days was great so I'm not worried.
I'm not expecting a masterpiece like Umineko though, I just want a good read.
Believe but don't be too hyped, this shit can kill you

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Does anyone know what's going on with Trianthology really?
Is it out yet? Witch-Hunt will translate it?

The opening really gave a "Umineko-vibe" in my opinion. Kind of curious to see how good it will be

>>16977703
>Is it out yet?
It was released last August

>>16977729
Kind of worrying we hear nothing about it. I guess it's not so good?...

>>16977734
>I guess it's not so good?
Just try it, dude.

>>16977734
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfmaWUAyx38
This is the most we have translated so far.

>>16977695
That's the thing. I'm sure it'll be good, both Higanbana and RGD were plenty enjoyable. But what are the odds of Ryukishi making another masterpiece like Higurashi or Umineko?

>>16977734
We hear nothing about it because it's japanese only and that 07th expansion non-WTC are pretty niche even in Japan. It doesn't mean anything about the quality.

>>16977790
Some anon likened him to being the man going through motions without the (情熱)

Seems to me like he is tired of writing.

>>16977767
Did we hear anything from Witch-Hunt? About any translation at all?

>>16977862
Never.

>>16977839
Why do you think that ?

Explain to me why some fags didn't commissioned translation of Trianthology, Hotarubi, Higurashi arcs, etc?

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>>16977978
Higurashi arcs I can understand, since they're seemingly endless and the stories already reached a satisfying conclusion. But yeah, Hotarubi and Trianthology could really use a translation.

Do you think anyone is actually planning to translate WTC5?

>>16977933
Well, considering the amount of stuff he wrote leading up to these years is extraordinary. 5-7 million word count since EP1 of Higurashi.
I can only guess but, his works don't seem to have the spirit.
It all feels like post Umineko/Higurashi analysis of the truths he finds in his daily life.

Higurashi and Umineko didn't have so much insight in things. It was more passionate and hot blooded, things were happening. I cannot feel the same in RGD. Its like a man looking in retrospect at things, imparting wise words upon us.
Sure they are wise and interesting, but there is no burning passion.
Not a single scene in RGD captures the raw you get in Higurashi and Umineko.

I am not mad at Ryukishi, the works are great, but WTC had set the bar too high...

I am perfectly fine if he ended it right here this moment. I am also thankful for each further step he is willing to take for us, the fans.
I will give him my full support whatever he shits out, he's already charmed me.

>>16978060
perhaps mangagamer, since they are currently translating every other WTC.

No Trianthology translation for us then I guess?...

why is everyone complaining about zts like move along, there are other artists out there

>>16978096
No, you retard

>>16978087
True, it doesn't matter what he does from now on. I'll still always be thankful for Higurashi and Umineko. Even if WTC5 turns out to be utter shit, it won't change how I feel about Ryukishi as a writer.

>>16978116
Personally I prefer Dai anyway.

>>16978087
>Not a single scene in RGD captures the raw you get in Higurashi and Umineko.
This is wrong, RGD had plenty of good emotional moments
>Primavera going to shit in ep 1
>Leo and Wayne fighting a desperate fight before the credits
>Leo vs 40 men and the whole primavera attack/siege
>Wandering dogs pulling off the plan
>Controlling random underlings in the soy sauce war instead of named characters
>Gab's introduction
>Gab's plan
>Yuuji coughing
>Richard's new suit appearing
>Oliver's death
>Best boy crying after the death of his sister
>any sniper trap scene really
>Keith vs Alan

>>16978182
Thank you for putting that in spoilers. I still haven't gotten a chance to read RGD yet.

I want to read RGD, but it just doesn't attract me as much as Umineko did. It really feels like nothing can top it and it just leaves your expectations too high.
I remember playing the RGD demo, and it was nice, but nothing more.
Also Higanbana was pretty bad imo

>>16978203
read it you fuck
It's great once it gets rolling

>>16978222
I've heard it takes a bit to get good, so you probably shouldn't take the demo at face value.

>>16978227
I plan to at some point. I originally held off on it because I was waiting for it to finish first, but then I never got around to reading it once it did. Plus I already had the ending spoiled for me, so that kind of sucks. And hopefully the main antagonist wasn't supposed to be a secret, because that's been spoiled for me too. Also to be frank, I have zero interest in themes like nationalism or cultural identity, and that seems to be a major part of the story.

>>16978182
As I said, none of those moments become raw enough. Too bad. It felt hype, but they had no feeling around them.
They couldn't possibly have, they don't have that kind of ambient towards them.
Sure it has ambients ranging from classy to fun fun fun, with a wide cast of colorful underworld type characters.
But the whole things just seems to be holding back on something. It's like Ryukishi didn't want to talk withe me anymore about things that mattered, and rather started talking with himself about things that didn't matter. This may or may not make sense, make of it what you will.

>>16978227
This. It's not his best work and it isn't like WTC, but it still has some really good moments and characters, it just takes some time for things to escalate because of how much needs to be built up. If you like his work, chances are you'll still enjoy this too but I can't promise you that. I'd say it's worth giving a solid chance at the very least. Episode 3 is where it reaches it's peak, but if you can't stay interested enough by the end of the first episode, then maybe it's not for you.

>>16939939
So, does anyone have the sauce?

>>16977734
based on anon that dumped the ost back when it released, the parts that weren't written by Ryukishi sucked, the parts that were were good
it was about as long as Higanbana

thanks to /seacats/ i've had the weirdest semi-erotic pictures on my hdd for months that i just forgot about, finding them just now was pretty weird

a+++ ryukishi07 thank you for your huge bosomed characters goat real literature and deepest narrative

>>16938590
When the pigs cry

Also when is the next one coming out?

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>>16981263
Only semi-erotic?

Im having fun with this translation.
They call the guy Don Castiglioni, then 3 sentences latter, they call him Don Consiglioni, then 1 sentence later they call him Don Casiglioni.
What the hell were they smoking at the witch hunt?

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>>16981629
Blasphemy! You are allowed to wear the proud Ushiromiya Crest on your clothing and you wear the crest on your crutch?!

>>16938590
Owls. It should be owls.
If it's not owls, I'm writing my own. Fuck you, Ryukishi.

>>16982333
It won't be owls, it will be some common city bird

>>16982345
Not that anon but owls are common city birds

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>>16982345
>when the pigeons cry

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>>16982328
Are you telling me you don't think Kinzo's underwear had the family crest on it?

>>16978143
What, i prefer dai a lot more than zts, and I thought that almost everyone would think that way, was I mistaken in that assumption?

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>>16982328
Would you rather she turn the Ushiromiya crest into an erotic dress?

>>16982932
I would rather you stop with the steam sprites

>>16982872
zts has his climax tracks, but outside of that, I think Dai's work stands out more to me.

>>16982938
Don't forget zts also made discolor
He can also make nice atmospheric songs
Wasn't deadangle also made by him?

>>16982934
I can't help sprites that I've already done. I suppose I could try using the PS3 sprites in the future if that would be better?

Krauss

Eva

>>16982953
Of course it would be you fucking retard

>>16982992
Well, who would you like to see first then?

>>16983112
Sabakichi

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>>16983112
EVA Beatrice!

>>16983203
Seems like a fun option.

>>16982953
I'm like your biggest supporter but I've told you from the start to use the PS3 sprites. Steam sprites are irredeemable trash.

>>16982580
If it had, you'd never be able to see it because of all the piss and shit stains of that old geezer

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>>16983112
voting for Gaap

>>16983612
I disagree. While they're doing undeniably the worst sprites, I don't think they're as bad as everyone says. Still, you're probably right. I guess it's about time I start working with the good sprites now that I've gotten some experience.

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>>16983698
some are ok but the aunts are really, really ugly
if you make some cute aunts with the PS3 sprites someday I will praise your name

>>16983612
Also thanks you for your support. It really means a lot. I know I haven't been doing many edits lately but I'm hoping to get back into it soon.

>>16983649
So it's between Gaap and EVA-Beatrice then? I suppose it's possible for me to work on both at the same time.

>>16983732
The Steam sprites are somewhat easier to lewd, since the clothes are much more form fitting. But yeah, the faces can get pretty bad. Eva's breasts sag way to much, while Kyrie's look fake.


I don't want to make any promises I can't keep, but I definitely would like to do the aunts some day. It feels like they don't get enough love in these threads.

>>16983791
maybe kyrie's wearing a push up bra while eva goes bra-less.

>>16983732
>Rosa looks good in each iteration
Best aunt.

>>16983791
Who's your favorite ?

>>16983698
>>16983749
When I say "biggest supporter", I'm the dude who always asks you to make silly edits like Gohda with Amakusa's hair, and the boy band stuff.
Anyway, I'd love for you to work on the PS3 sprites in the future. Then again, it's your life.

>>16983828
Maybe, but Eva's supposed to be the most fit of the aunts. She probably wouldn't sag that much even with no support thanks to all her martial arts training. Kyrie's bra would have to be pretty sturdy to push them up like that, especially given the weight they must have. Meanwhile, Natsuhi seems to be wearing a corset around her waist with nothing on her bust but a thin top. Rosa probably wears some fancy designer lingerie, though it's hard to tell through her thick coat.

>>16983882
I'd probably have to go with Eva.

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>>16983908

>>16983888
I remember those. They were pretty fun to do in between lewds. I'm starting to warm up to the idea of working with the PS3 Sprites, though it may take some getting used to the different artstyle.

>>16983828
>>16983892
So that just begs the question. Which aunt is bustiest?

>>16983917
Both in terms of character development and physical attractiveness, Eva comes out on top.

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does anyone have the image of sayo as kanon with jessica and as shannon with george when she murders them in the fourth game like "you'd both die for me, right?"
its a manga page and i cant find it

>>16984021
I'm pretty sure that's from Episode 8, confession of the golden witch chapter 3

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>>16984050
ah, yeah, found it, thanks
i got the exact quote wrong but it conveys pretty much the same meaning

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Oh god, why is Erika so lewd.
Post lewd ERIKA!

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>>16984642

Has mangagamer said anything about when episodes 5-8 will be done?

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>>16973598
>>16973626


>>16939939
No but thank you

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>>16984642
What would their married life have been like?

>>16984804
That doujin was great. It's a shame that artist's work never got translated.

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>>16984822
Probably something like this.

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>>16984642

Man, Keith is real edgelord here.
Can't wait for a Alan to slap some shit in him.

>>16985334
I could handle the edge but the second he got his hair dyed I lost any respect I had for him as a character

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>>16985350
Well, I've got to the slapping part. The duel between Keith and Alan was pretty intense, switching the defense and attack like that between both.
I must say, just as R07 has written that both of them had bunch of emotions and couldn't express any of them at the warf, just silently gazing each other.
That was exactly how I felt,whirlwind of emotions, I didn't even know what to feel at the moment, and it was kind of painful

What I hate the most is Richard for betraying everything Rose.

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>be 17 year old beta male
>wasted your entire childhood going to cram school
>fall in love with cute 10 year old loli maid
>she loves your little cousin instead
>your aunt conveniently kicks the bucket
>stupid tween cousin leaves the family
>cuck your cousin
>you finally have a girlfriend
>living the dream
>she accepts the engagement ring
>cute loli maid turns out to be a suicidal eunuch
>you get killed and die a virgin
>cousin ascends to the meta, becomes a badass wizard and marries your girl

>>16986234
Why is Ryukishi so good at drawing faces? These sprites are the best. Anyone who thinks otherwise must be a complete retard.

>>16984785
I asked at the AnimeBoston panel if they'd be released within the next year, and they said definitely yes. So not too far in the future, at least.

>>16986234
being George is suffering

>>16971080
He hasn't disassociated himself from when they cry
https://rokkenjima.org/higuumisound-label-mashiro-witch-mobile-game-announced/

>>16984785
Episode 5 is done

>>16987642
Being Ushiromiya is suffering.

>>16984785
Two or three years probably.

Well, I've finished Rose Guns Days.
I can say that I am pissed, the ending is such a bullshit and was so rushed.
No wrapping it up for several characters. As well as it being boring and meaningless by the end.
Consigliere was acting like a retard who was sceaming ALALALALALALALA can't hear you half the time anyone talked to him.
Keith had no relation to him whatsoever in Last season, felt more like hes a static piece that just moves as story dictates it. Alan, Meijiu, Keith, Meixue, Zilong, Battler and Gabriel received nothing proper of a closure or none at all.
Also getting dumb teaserver become madam, with no life experience whatsoever, let alone underworld game experience. How am I supposed to buy that crap?

Fucking R07. I can't understand how everyone in Japan was spitting on Umineko EP7, when he pulls this shit and nobody cares.
Ryukishi lost it, everyone, go home. WTC5 will be shit.

>>16991666
>I can say that I am pissed, the ending is such a bullshit and was so rushed.
Ryukishi got sick for almost a month. But yeah, the ending is disappointing because of it.

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>>16985334
It's hilarious to see a nihilist lose all hope.

>>16991666
wew lad

>>16992171
His dreaded japanese cold lasted for over a month. He had to delay the game significantly past comiket.

>>16991666
But those characters aren't the protagonists, they just have their part on the main story. It might be interesting to write 10 extra fandiscs, one for each, but would that be necessary?

What was your favorite locked room mystery in Umineko before you knew the answer/the answer was revealed?
I think mine was in EP1, Eva and Hideyoshi's locked room mystery with the chained door. I spent hours trying to figure out how it would be possible. I had about ten theories or something near the end.

I wasn't happy with the answer, but I loved coming up with theories anyway, so I had lots of fun with that one.

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>>16984642

>>16992171
>>16992253
I mean how, the finale is bad and all, but couldn't he atleast wrap all the characters up?
I doubt it would take more than 30 minutes to properly write up few sentences for each character. And a few hours to make it into scenes.
I cannot believe he was that sick.

>>16995185
Really?
I figured it out instantly the second unreliable narrator became an obvious thing

Wait, the stakes all represent one of the 7 deadly sins, right? Does anyone know off the top of their head which is which?

>>16995796
Well like I said, it was my favorite mystery to make theories for how it could work. I discarded the unreliable narrator thing because I think it's a cheap device in my eyes. As I said in the spoiler, I wasn't happy with the answer. The mystery, as it was presented to us as readers, right in the middle of the very first EP was amazing.

Again, I'm not talking about solutions, I'm asking which mystery you loved the most, before the solution came to you/was revealed.

>>16995935
Yes

>>16995935
Lucifer of Pride
Leviathan of Envy
Satan of Wrath
Belphegor of Sloth
Mammon of Greed
Beelzebub of Gluttony
Asmodeus of Lust

>>16996030
Thanks anon.
Hmm, figures I like Belphegor the most.

>>16996030
Belphegor=Satan>Lucifer=Mammon>Beelzebub>Asmodeus>Leviathan

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>>16996052
>>16996098

>>16995098
What I meant was this.
Alan and Keith both fell out of belltower, Alan seemingly hugging Keiths head to protect him from the fall and apparently died.
They end it just like that.
Butter -"Why did you do that to Ange?" I figure Gab did something bad to her, but what was this even supposed to mean. Just ending it like theat?
Also Gabriels ending was unsatisfying.
Also China and its characters should have a proper ending. Establishing relations with Primavera, and its Characters having epilogue.
This all seemed like one big waste to me. It was one dimensional episode with unfinished ending.

>>16991666
I was hoping Ryukishi would fix the ending when he announced the re-release called "Rose Guns Days - The Best" last year, but it was just Season 1-4 with a new short story added. Pretty disappointing

>>16996134
But Gab didn't do anything to Ange
You are missing out on the darkest keikaku of them all

>>16995935
Does anyone remember which stakes were used in each twilight?

In EP2, Jessica and Kanon were killed by Asmodeus, the stake of lust. And that whole scene was fucking weird.

Beatrice: "Kanon, try showing me your blade!"

*whips out blade*

Jessica: "W-What the actual fuck, Kanon-kun?"

Kanon: "I didn't want to show you..."

Kanon: "Something like this... can't even be used to trim the roses."

Beatrice: "Kyaaahahahahahaha, how does it feel to have the fact that you are a subhuman being exposed in front of the girl you have feelings for?! You furnituuuuuuuure!"

How am I supposed to interpret this shit? Did Kanon literally show Jessica his nonexistent dick? Did he tell her that he is the culprit? Did he just tell her about his lack of dick?

I think he was comforting Jessica because she had a breakdown after seeing her parents dead. And she decided to kiss Kanon and grab his balls, basically acting like a slut. If they start doing lewd things, the excitement will make her forget about her sadness for a while. But after Jessica realized that he had no dick or balls, Kanon snapped and killed her.

Alternatively, Kanon felt bad for her and chose her as the next sacrifice to release her from the pain of losing her parents.

In any case, this would explain why the stake of lust was used to kill them. Kanon is killing everyone because he lost his manhood as a baby and is extremely bitter about it. And if my theory is correct, Jessica is obsessed with sex and trying to use it to forget about the tragedy that just happened.

>>16996422
Jessica was killed by Asmodeus, Kanon by Satan

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>>16996422

>>16986234
This basically confirms that Jooji is a pedo, doesn't it? I always knew he had a thing for Maria.

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>>16996646

>>16996646
I honestly think that was Ryukishi's intention.

>>16996646
I'm sure he liked lolis. But even though he was super awkward around Maria, he didn't seem to care too much about her. Maybe it's because Maria is supposed to be clearly autistic and average-looking. The PS3 sprites make her look way too cute and make her face too expressive compared to the original.

>>16996698
He probably didn't care much about her, but wanted to show how much of a family man he is for that Yasu poon. Too bad, because Yasu only sees herself a less of a person the more George is.
George does't even know of true love, he is probably just a dumb goat.

>>16996740
What is true love ?

>>16997324
Loving without concern for name and gender,race, social status, while sharing yourself with the one you love, and the one you love sharing itself with you?

>>16997490
Sounds like George and Shannon to me.

reminder that Lambdadelta is my wife

>>16999532
Can Gohda be my husband then?

Funny, I was just thinking of all the good Seacat threads on /jp/ - and what do ya know, my first time browsing /jp/ in years and there's a Seacats thread up.

I feel like even if we do get a new WTC it won't feel as interactive as Umineko did. Umineko was like a nonstop argument for two years, it was great.

But now what's said has been said, things aren't gonna change if you liked the ending, disliked the ending, or think there's some secret triple meaning to the ending that changes everything.

>>17000712
>even if we do get a new WTC
It has already started it's development though, pretty unlikely we won't get it

>>16999490
George doesn't love Shannon. He is in love with concept of love. He doesn't know the next thing about Shannon, and if he did he would notice that she is not mentally sound at all.

>>17000959
I'd say he loves Shannon, and that's the problem - he loves the mask, not the person underneath
not that we would know what he'd think of Yasu since the crazy bitch would rather shank him that tell him the truth

>>17000775
Well if it's as boring as Rose Guns Days you can forget about any interesting discussion to be had here about it.

>>17001370
Yasu is afraid of the outcome of revealing who she really is.Really sad person.

I feel that Umineko should have gone with somewhat more simple approach. The meta stuff got a bit too disconnected from heart of the story. Meta Battler and Beatrice would have made a lot more sense as the Meta Counterparts of Ange and Eva than a fever dream of the real life Battler.

Just have it be Ange and Eva fighting on Eva's deathbed. Eva dies when Beatrice dies - when all the boardgames are cleared and the bitter truth is revealed. Ange feels a little sad because while Eva was a cunt Ange also realized Eva genuinely loved and wanted to protect her. Eva dies at least a little bit happy, and Ange moves on with her life.

Less is more, sometimes. It's nice to try to make broader points about fiction in general, but if your big triumphant moment is a caricature of Jessica shouting at Goats about how her imaginary crossdressing murderer boyfriend wasn't a bad guy I wonder if you really needed to go as meta as you did.

Because even Rifyu's characters have more depth to them than Episode 8 did

>>17002033
Being afraid of revealing who she is makes her a sad person. Killing for love makes her a sad person.

Killing for love via detonating a giant bomb because she thinks it will magically make her into three people makes her a lunatic.

>>17002048
Higurashi still seems to be the best to in teaching the reader the best thing to do.
Talk it out with someone you trust.
Umineko does the same as Higurashi, but instead, it shows what happens if you don't talk to somebody.

All Yasu had to do was talk to Battler.

Granted, I doubt Battler would even listen to her. Would probably call her crazy and would hate her for being weird.
But wasn't it all about taking a miraculous chance in the roulette?

I feel sad both at Yasu for being unable to talk, the things that made her lose hope in the chance that somebody will actually listening to her, and probably Battler for being unable to be a better person and help Yasu.

Hotarubi chapter 12 is out
https://mega.nz/#F!OJU2HYgB!-lbNfZS31EUf2QXDKB8I2A

>>17002904
I guess you could say he has a bit of a shit eating grin

gohda

>>17003338
Beato

lambda

>>17002904
it doesn't working. wtf

>>16995440
Sick for a full month. The game was not even released on Comitek.
I feel your pain.

So my autistic friend recently got into Umineko and he sent me his "theory" about less than a quarter way into Ep.3

He managed to already 'figure out' the whole Shkanontrice thing, and that Genji, Nanjo and Kumasawa are accomplices, and that Eva and Hideyoshi were bribed in Ep. 1. Do you think it's bullshit? Even without his past history of being a self-spoiler and being bad at solving media plots, it seems unlikely for him to figure so much out this early. He's trying to play it off 100% as his theory and I dunno if I'm being mean for not believing him.

>>17003884
Nobody figure's it out that fast. The youtuber Narnith is probably the fastest person I've seen to figure it out, and even he only had a vague idea Shannon was the culprit by that point.

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Hello fellow seacats,

A few months ago I made a couple of posts as I went through Higurashi for the first time. I stopped short of Minagoroshi, mainly because I didn't have a fully fleshed out theory for Tatarigoroshi, but I'm going through the last two chapters now. My current understanding is basically thus.

-Culprits are Takano and Tomitake, this has to be right due to the small cast. A "Takano" corpse is found in a drum when we know she's walking around + she has Tomitake's bike after he kills himself. Motive is probably retarded, propagate the curse isn't good enough since they're fucking slaughtering the town.
-Irie is probably in on it, he creates the throat scratch medicine, has an army of goons that go after K in Onikakushi and Tatarigoroshi and kills himself way too often.
-Rika is magic and thus I believe HAS TO DIE for the plan to work. She never mentions the gas attack I believe so she always dies before it?
-Gas attack is averted in Mion and Shion's chapters so Shion got the right person even though Takano is fine? My guess is that Rika died too quick so the plan doesn't work.

For Tatarigoroshi specifically, after K ices Teppei, his friends move the corpse and act like everything's fine at school to give him an alibi. Satoko's gone nuts with brain bugs so she still thinks he's alive. After that I've got nothing, how he wishes death on people or how he survives the disaster.

>>17003543
I was contemplating about how hard would it be to wrap it up myself.
I am confident that I could write a more than satisfactory ending.
I've got this incredible urge to do it.

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Hey Seacats, What is the best site for WTC merch? The only site I've found which I like is Mandarake.

>>17004347
Pretty much only Mandarake. Maybe Amazon if you want the Pachinko artbook.

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>>17003884
Seems very unlikely to figure that much out so early into reading. I wouldn't say impossible since Ryukishi used twins to deceive the readers in Higurashi and one could immediately suspect Shannon and Kanon because of it, but there's really not enough clues for one to just figure it out and be so confident about it. The large cast creates a lot of possible culprits.
The first quarter of Episode 3 has Shannon mentioning how Battler told her he would ride in on a white horse, but it's only near the end of Episode 4 is where it's hinted about that part of their past being connected to Beatrice.
It's also around the point where Rosa remembers meeting Beatrice and getting her killed, and it being confirmed in red that a Beatrice really did exist and die.
However, one major clue by that point is Kanon's body disappearing in the 1st and 2nd episode. Ryukishi also likes to drop hints and the truth in plain sight that one would normally brush off or forget, so it's possible for one to take note of these.

You could try asking questions about that theory involving knowledge that only comes up in later episodes, to try and poke a hole into it and expose him for spoiling himself.

>>17004657
Scans of the artbook are also already available on sadpanda
https://exhentai.org/g/943565/c87b2b80de/

Featherine is supposed to be the meta representation of the mysterious author "Hachijo Toya". But this is just the pen name of Toya and Ikuko. So... Featherine is actually two different people in the real world. She isn't just Ikuko, she represents both of them.

If this is true, it means that none of the meta is real. But it's strongly implied that Featherine and the meta world actually exist, and that Ikuko is actually Featherine's human incarnation in a lower plane of existence. All her real world backstory is real, but only because she literally "wrote" that reality herself.

This means that Featherine is Ikuko. She presented herself as "Hachijo Toya" in EP6 because that's their pen name and nobody is supposed to know that they are two people, but this doesn't mean that the actual Toya is part of Featherine.

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So, I'm at the beginning of ep 6, and I think I got it, atleast the whole "magic" aspect of it.

I have three theories.

Witches on the "gameboard" are humans, but they are "distorted" in apperance because everybody views the killer as "witch". In other words, most people call serial killers in the real world monsters, but because of umineko's setting people tend to imagine evil as witches instead of monsters. In EP. 3, when EVA-Beatrice is denied, she becomes normal eva. Usually when things are explain in detail they lose their fear factor, so that's why eva reverted. This is assuming that EP. 3 can be even trusted, because the whole north wind and sun thing makes you question what was and wasnt "real".

My second theory is that this entire series is just the the forgories written by Tohya. Self-explanatory.

Finally, all magic shown are all delusions, and some events are delusions aswell.

Finally, I think I should just dump some other things I've thought of.

The cheister sisters are obviously guns.

the stakes are just that, some "demonic" prop thing, exception being when ange killed all those bodyguards, to explain that I say she was delusional (mammon admitted they were just figments of her imagination) and either somebody from afar or she herself shot them, and in her eyes they were "stabbed" by the stakes.

Bernkastel and Lambdadelta are personifications of concepts such as miracles and fate. To put it simply, they use others as their playthings because of phrases such as "fate is cruel" "fate's plaything" etc.

Dlanor is a personification of using the decalogue to solve the mystery maybe one character wanted to approach the crime using things they learned from reading books.

>>17005002
I personally love the idea of the meta being real, even if it turns out that the meta characters and pieces are only embodiments of concepts and shit, and their real world versions remain dead without experiencing any of it.

It also fits with the Hanyu/Featherine theory. Hanyu had the power to modify reality and become a real human.

I wonder if we will see Featherine in some form in WTC5. She is not exactly likable, but her power level is incredible. The very plane of her existence is fascinating. All that stuff about the massive city of books and how she could insert herself as a real person inside the worlds she created was incredible.

>>17005035
If you want to understand Umineko, don't consider anything a "delusion". Nobody is delusional. It's just a fancy interpretation of what's going on. Natsuhi wasn't literally going insane during EP5. Her conversations with the witch are metaphors. She doesn't really experience any of that stuff literally

Also, get the hell out of the internet before you get spoiled.

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>>17005002
Who knows.

>>17005054
It's obvious that the meta is real. Featherine literally created a world where Ange visits Ikuko, bit she let her keep her memories from EP4, which was also a world she created. She also used the red truth IRL and those words of power made everyone accept the diary as truth.

This probably means that Umineko is just one of the millions of worlds she created. There is no Rokkenjima Prime or anything like that. All the versions of the future are real worlds she "wrote" in the meta, including the EP8 endings.

This makes way too much sense.

>>17005146
The question is: where are the other creators? She can't be the only one, right? Maybe everything we saw in EP8 was just one of her pocket universes. The real world of "witches" is outside.

>>17005166
It must be. She was able to kill Lambda because she wrote the scene herself. She even left the details for later and moved on with the story. Everything in that episode was part of one of her tales. Holy shit. Just how deep does theit rabbit hole go?

>Bernkastel: YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT I AM A WITCH, RIGHT?

>Narrator: BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, HE NEEDED A LOT OF MONEY RIGHT NOW!

What's up with the all caps lines in EP1?

>>17005166
outside.

she may be an avatar of ryukishi who is the actual creator of the series. other creators would in that case be creators/writers/artists/etc who make their own worlds, stories and stuff, each existing within their own created world where they're the creator, and outside of it where they're just another voyager witch among the sea of witches with no world of their own (readers).

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>>17005337
Is Ryukishi Featherine, or is Featherine Ryukishi?

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>>17005506
Who writes who?

>>17005095
I love original Ange. She's slightly thicc.

>>17005577
How does the Higurashi manga compare to this 11/10 adaptation?

>>17005636
It's okay. It kind of varies between parts. I still think the Umineko manga did a much better job overall though.

I love the art in the EP8 manga. Why do the manga adaptations insist on changing the art style in every arc, though? It's terrible when your favorite episode looks like it was drawn by CLAMP. Batora is supposed to be tall, but not hilariously tall.

Also, who "directs" the mangas? I know that the artist changes every episode, but does the storytelling and page composition remain consistent? Or does it have a completely different feel every time?

>>17005819
I think Ryukishi oversees the manga in some way, but apart from that it's left up to the artist of that particular Episode.

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>>17005506
Neither. Featherine is her own character.

>>17005840
Who was that creepy deformed guy again? Some random minor character?

I think Ryukishi looks more like Tomitake or Joji.

What did Shannon's barrier and Kanon's blade represent? Why is one defensive while the other is offensive?

The blade is his nondick, right?

It's incredible how the anime made Jessica feel like a cheap Mion clone. They couldn't be more different in the novels.

The only thing they have in common is that they are tomboys with a very feminine side and that they like to talk about their pubes when they see a male friend after a long time. Other than that, Jessica is a dumbass and Mion is sly as fuck.

>>17005890
what anime?

What was the deal with that gold ingot that Krauss showed Natsuhi in EP1? It has to mean something, but I know for sure that he wasn't an accomplice in this episode.

Was it just a red herring, like all those creepy scenes where Kumasawa appears on a corner of the screen?

>>17004119
Interesting observation. Keep giving your input.

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>>17005853
It's Ryukishi.

>>17005913
It meant nothing. It just showed that the gold existed.

>>17005913
>those creepy scenes where Kumasawa appears on a corner of the screen

What

>>17006321
I guess that particular anon found them creepy, but there are several scenes where Kumasawa just ends a scene by standing alone in a hallway talking about stuff you just read.

Are there any Umineko fumos out there?
Because I feel like many characters would look cute as fuck

>>17005952
Is that his daughter?
Do we know anything about his family?

>>17006482
No, it's child actor Fuka Haruna. The image is from some sort of Higurashi cross-promotion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGufxv8I68Q

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>>17004119
It mentioned it would be an answer check but this is pretty damn blatant. Rika is the brain bug queen and her death releases the evil of the swamp, but only if she's left out to rot. Thanks Takano.

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Why is Rosa such an idiot in EP 2?

I understand that she is being bribed by Sayo, but really, does she actually think she is going to be let go at the end of the game? Most of the murders after the second twilight are just Sayo killing off accomplices, so why does she think she's any different? She could have turned on Sayo at any time, and she most likely would have had the numbers to overtake her, plus Sayo was with the group for most of the game, so Sayo couldn't sneak up on them. The fact that she still is upholding the facade at the end of the game with the whole "Battler is a wolf" scene really drives home how ridiculous her priorities must be, regardless of whether she is just following a script by Sayo.

honestly though, I feel like this for most of the accomplices. The fact that Kyrie is the only accomplice that ever thinks they might not get their end of the deal boggles my mind, like you need to use fucking game theory to figure out that a raving lunatic planning to slaughter their whole family might not be the most trustworthy person.

I mean, I can accept that people will murder all of their living relatives for a huge sum of money (even if it is a stretch), but the idea that they would trust this setup to come out in their favor is really dumb. Of course, it wouldn't really be a mystery novel if one of the accomplices just turned on the culprit and spilled the beans.

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>>17007423
>honestly though, I feel like this for most of the accomplices
The manga clarifies that she told some of them that it was just a game with fake corpses. That only works for the accomplices that didn't kill anyone, of course

>>17007462
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Still, I remember reading somewhere that Rosa knew the murders were real.

>>17007543
She totally knew. When she saw that her siblings had been poisoned, shot in the stomach and filled with candy, she threw up. She knew it was real and was ok with it.

Rosa is a terrible person. She was willing to help the culprit kill all the cousins. Fuck her.

Why did the manga say that Eva was bribed in EP3? And why did the voiced PS3 version make it so that the man from 19 years ago was Battler reading a script? The text said that the voice on the phone sounded like a boy whose voice hadn't broken yet.

>>17008335
>Why did the manga say that Eva was bribed in EP3?
Because she was. Both her and Hideyoshi were accomplices

>And why did the voiced PS3 version make it so that the man from 19 years ago was Battler reading a script?
Not sure about this. It may have just been a red herring. It would have been way too obvious if they had used Shannon or Kanon's voice. It's also possible that the PS3 staff didn't know who it was supposed to be, but I think that's kind of unlikely

>>17008379
Didn't Eva solve the epitaph? And I don't believe for a second that she would kill for money. Rosa's death was an accident and shit just got out of hand as she tried to cover it up and silence people who got too close to the truth.

If Eva was bribed, the episode doesn't make any sense. Especially George's death and the PIN number on the door.

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>>17008463
>I don't believe for a second that she would kill for money
Yasu says that she can bribe Eva by using George. She probably told Eva that she would spare George if she helped, and then killed him anyway because she's a cunt

>>17008335
>>17008379
In the original novel, the guy on the phone could have been either Battler or Sayo. But the PS3 version confirmed that it was Battler. It makes sense, considering that Lion sounds like a total faggot even with his balls intact. Sayo needed a male accomplice around her age to do the voice.

Just like she bribed literally everyone except Battler in EP4, she bribed almost everyone in EP5. She probably contacted the relatives at some point, revealed everything, promised them a lot of gold and convinced them to go along with a plan to frame Natsuhi during the day of the family conference, forcing her to admit that she's hiding Kinzo's death and confess to her crime of 19 years ago.

Battler was close to Shannon, so he would probably go along with such a plan if she made Natsuhi look like a complete monster and revealed what she did to her.

Jessica didn't know the real purpose of this game, she just thought it would be a hilarious prank. George and Maria are always on Shannon's side. And Krauss was killed for real shortly after he was drugged and kidnapped.

Of course, nobody knew that Sayo was planning to actually kill Krauss and blow up the island after everything was over.

Hideyoshi's death was probably staged. She wouldn't just kill one of the accomplices like that, because everyone else would get suspicious.

Erika's presence must have been a problem. Her piece version actually believed that Natsuhi and Kinzo were the culprits, and proceeded to solve the case quickly. I bet they were planning even more shit to corner Natsuhi with. That whole scene in Kinzo's study must have been part of their plan. They wanted to leave room for Kinzo to exist so trick Natsuhi into a false sense of security. Hell, Battler literally told Erika that he had seen Kinzo outside to make her believe in her theory even more strongly.

Battler probably felt bad for Natsuhi at some point and defended her, realizing that she didn't really deserve any of this crap. Especially when Erika accused her of having an affair with Kinzo.

>>17008516
It would explain why the stakes appeared near the corpses (the death profiles implied that it was Eva who placed them there) and why Eva started killing people randomly at some point. She was forced to do all that shit by Yasu.

But I believe that she really found the gold by herself and accidentally killed Rosa after she threatened to reveal the fact that they had found the gold. Then she silenced Maria and told Hideyoshi what had happened.

If that's the case, when did she become an accomplice? The deaths of Rosa and Maria must have been an accident. Yasu would never want Maria to die like that. She must have been bribed after that murder, but how?

Hideyoshi is implied to have been killed by a dying Kyrie. His death profile says something along the lines of "damn, she was still alive". The scene where Hideyoshi scolds Eva Beatrice must have happened right after Eva killed Kyrie and Rudolf, who were trying to make Hideyoshi confess and reveal that Eva killed Rosa. Hideyoshi didn't think it was necessary to kill them.

But the PIN in George's closed room always looked like an apology. As if Yasu was saying "I kept killing people because you were too greedy and didn't let anyone know that you had solved the epitaph, so I had no idea". She probably decided to kill George to make Eva miserable, because it was obvious that she was the one who killed Maria. Eva's greed killed her husband and son.

However, this doesn't fit with the idea that Eva was bribed.