Umineko /seacats/ thread

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Soon

beato

The Ushiromiya Eagle doesn't turn back.

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>>16813627
anon

>>16813903

BEATO

Why does Higurashi's s0undtrack feel so lackluster compared to Umineko's?

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>>16813931
ANON

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>>16814062

^__^

>>16813600
Who is translating it?

>>16814129
DoctorDiablo

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>>16814072

Hotarubi tankobon-raws vol.1
http://www60.zippyshare.com/v/0uM6D4On/file.html

>>16814020
Well, until the 5th game, he was just using random royalty-free music. I remember him telling a story at ACEN about how Dai emailed him telling that the story was great, but the music sucked, and offered to do tracks for him.

>>16814156

Thanks, the Megaupload wasn't working for me for some reason.

>>16814181

John Carpenter did this with his early movies. They would run around libraries looking for old stock big band music.

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So I decided to play Myth to kill time waiting for an Umineko re-read.

I hear it only has one ero-scene. Do you think it's safe to play the game in the living room instead of in my own room? It's way cozier that way, just have to make sure there's no out-of-nowhere ero content to disturb the roommates.

>>16814181
I still have no idea how he got so lucky with Dai taking interest in Higurashi.

>>16814181

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEpZq8mT9Ts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqEtLDN1Ohc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AdJOCrtOBw

I really like some of them but some also don't sound all too good

>>16814518
Why does K1 look so satisfied in the last one?
It reminds me of ZUN music.

Can anyone upload Sui scenario scripts? I'd like to read Higurashi with rpcs3.

It is literally impossible to answer Kumasawa's riddle in the 8th game if you have no nip knowledge. Also, what was the answer to Genji's riddle? I'm so fucking dumb.

>>16814518
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fDzd9ydZ24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb2bFXo48T8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTTd3Tq7L_0

The part after this song shifts keys is also pretty damn good, and if I had any experience with writing music I'd totally re purpose it as part of a different track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGMPIRvYnMU

>>16813597
When did you realize delusions exist for a reason, and that you should engage with people in an emotionally intelligent way, give them the time and freedom they need to outgrow them instead of forcing your own truth on them?

Before reading R07s work I used to think that being rational and talking about problems on a purely argumentative basis was the right way to approach life. I never really thought about things like giving people an easy way to change their mind without putting themselves in a position of emotional vulnerability (like by discussing problems by seemingly talking about something else rather than stating what you think directly) or going along with their "games" for a bit to show them that you're willing to engage with their reality to a certain extent.
Then again, maybe these are basic things and I'm just a social retard.

Just curious, since I've never seen whatever the kanji for Umineko is. From what I know of Japanese, you could phonetically translate that as seacats, as in the OP's topic. However, I'm not quite stupid or ignorant enough to assume that's the case as I'm aware that it could very easily be something else entirely.

So tell me, /jp/, is it seacats, or is it just a meme that started over someone being a dumbass?

>>16815072
Umi=Sea
Neko=Cat
Umineko=Seagull

>>16815180
now do pineapple

>>16815180
To-rabu RU
Toraburu
Trouble

>>16815012
yes, in general the truth hurts and is boring/unimaginative to a lot of people. So people don't want to hear it. And I kind of get that. Sure, enjoy your fantasies if it helps you cope with reality, but when this fantasy starts to disrupt other people's lives or starts to influence your decisions that influence others then that needs to stop.
A line between decision making and fantasy must be kept

>>16815970
That's the issue.

Okay, you manage to create an entire genre of horror VN with your first try, and then manage to deconstruct the fuck out of your first attempt in your second, with mind-fuck meta elements out of thin air.

Where do you go from here? Where can you go? You can't be more meta mindfuck than Umineko. You can't just adapt Higurashi with a new setting. So what?

I think the best bet would be to mix Higurashi with a new genre, just like Umineko was heavily tinted by mystery novels. Science fiction Higurashi? Lovecraftian Higurashi? Steampunk Higurashi? Isekai Higurashi?

>>16816096
>alright so this beginner VN writer got lucky with higurashi and the horror genre, but where do you from here, everything's been done already
>he makes umineko
This is why you're merely a pawn. Go big or go home. No breaks.

>>16816096
I think the big thing R07 could expand on at this point are the metafictional/metaphysical aspects of when they cry. You have witches that represent concepts like certainty and miracles inhabiting a realm in which the limitless possibilities of the human world are all present and visible at the same time. There's tons of potential for a good story there.

Here's something I came up with: A group of witches decides to hold a contest about who can control a world. Each chooses a champion and imbues them with their power. Unable to achieve a clear result they repeat the game over and over again, until ultimately their pawns become self-aware, rebel against their masters and seize a world where they can live together.
Each champion has their own little faction and they have friendships and rivalries and each loop focuses one of their stories, depiction the other factions as the antagonist.
Maybe you could actually include choices and have branching story lines this time around.

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I want to spend a relaxing day together with Belphegor.

>>16816981
>not bullying Lucifer/Satan

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>>16816988
Depends on what you're in the mood for.

Looks like someone saved and reuploaded the Rosatrice videos...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLhqUzUgxc

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Am I the only one who feels a deep admiration for Ryukishi as a storyteller? His writing may be rough and raw, but it sure as fuck is compelling. He really puts his heart into it.

Even relatively simple characters like Mion manage to feel very real and extremely likable. It's amazing. By the end of the story, you know all the characters so well that you could easily write some fanfiction without ever wondering "how would this character react to this?". They are very well developed, and so are their relationships with the other characters. The worldbuilding is also pretty damn good.

And the touching moments are genuinely touching. Something as trivial as Ooishi risking his retirement money can make for a very emotional scene. There are so many great moments... Seriously, I really admire this guy.

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>feelerino when no seacats covers

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>>16817285
Ryukishi's work has basically become my standard when it comes to judging good character depth. I'll often find myself wondering, "How do these characters compare to Ryukishi's" when reading other stories.

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The foreshadowing.

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I think, quite suddenly, I've realized just why I have such admiration and respect and just overall love for Ryukishi07 and all the works he creates, and the root of that is Comiket.

For those who don't know, Ryukishi07 is the creator of the When They Cry series. He writes visual novels, though he's worked on other things as well, as part of collaboration (which is the process of creating visual novels to begin with, with all the background music, the visuals, the animating process-). He sells his work at Comiket, the largest self-published comic book convention in the world. He has been doing this since Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni: Onikakushi-hen, the very first of his novels and, as far as we know with his pen-name, the first thing he's published ever, came out in August 2002.

From there, he's gained an amazing reputation, had anime adapted from his work (which is not common, at least not when the visual novel has only two people working on the story and the game save for the music) and has worked with other companies since due to the success of Higurashi.

His visual novels are freaking HUGE. Seriously, they are longer than some novels people work on for years. And he has put them out, twice a year save for 2003, since Higurashi.

Sure, they may be very guttural at times. They are raw, filled with pure emotion, narration devolving into screams, or cries, or words of joy. Yet this is the strength of them, they are pure emotion and pure heart. Every single story, I know he's poured his soul into, and from this he has become successful. There was no publishing company save for him, his brother and his best friend. There was no chance this would catch on. There was, actually, a very high chance that his work wouldn't make as much money as it cost time to put into it.

But he sold it anyway, with his charmingly poor art and his love of mysteries, and it's grown so big.

Because he loves telling stories, scaring people or making them feel something. And he took a shot.

And despite everything, he's so kind with his fans, so grateful and thankful. He's genuinely happy when people read his work.

And that's simply the most inspiring thing in the world to me. That's why Ryukishi is one of my role models.

>>16817393
Compared to most authors, Ryukishi seems exceptionally loved by his fans.

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Maria be cute!
Cute!
Hella cute!
Hecka cute as heck!
Heckishly cute!
Heckerino cuta!
CUTA!

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>>16817521
Who is cuter?

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>>16817531
Ange is cuter as an angsty teenager with armpit stubble, a hairy pussy and an attitude. So lewd! I want to humiliate her into suicide!

Maria is super cute, but she must smell like pee because she's too stubborn and probably spends days indulging her autistic obsessions without taking a bath.

Loli Ange is super cute too, but she's not the original Ange. And she's a bit too young to have a real personality, which makes her hard to sexualize. She probably can't feel sexual shame! That's no fun!

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I want EVA to step on me!

>>16813600
Which chapter comes after this one?

>>16817916
Only time can tell. If anything, I'd like to see Kotohogushi, Miotsukushi or Yoigoshi.

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>>16817837
Same.

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>>16818010
Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well.

>>16814181
What's Dai up to these days?

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Ep 5 manga is the best
This is an objective fact

>>16817430
You know authors of things like nisekoi who just write pointless baits for you to hook on to hoping that he'll deliver this time. This next chapter there's no way he won't deliver. Things like that draw people in, but it doesn't get the author any respect because everyone knows he's just trying to get as many people reading his work as possible, without considering whether what he's writing is interesting.

That and there's not a lot of 07th expansion fans

God, it's beautiful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT167XU_7_s

Umineko should've had angels and such, the Eiserne Jungfrau's superiors show up and offer the Ushiromiya a plea deal:

Battler and Yasu go to Hell forever, and they get to go back to 1986's family conference without them existing, erased.

Shit hits the fan, arguing, fighting between everyone in the family, etc in the end, they decide that it wasn't Yasu or Battler but their own rotten nature and they all firmly OBJECTION to it.

Then you hear the seagulls cry, one of the angels giggles and mass applauding fills the area, after that it cuts to a shot of 1986 Rokkenjima and fades to black.

What do you guys think?

>>16818686
Ryukishi is a pagan, he would never allow such heaven nonsense

But yes that is a cool idea, only that instead of treading between fantasy and mystery it jumps in the fantasy territory

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The guy that was doing the youtube lets play who thought Shannon was Beatrice joked that Battler promised Beatrice to come back in a horse
You just can't make this shit up

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>>16818727
What is his channel called?

>>16816848
>Isekai Higurashi.
>A loser is transported into a fantasy world.
>Given the power of Miracle by an evil Witch, to rewind time again and again until he gets something right.
>Full of suffering and death.

Wait a minute.

>>16818715
Ryukishi is Christian!

>>16818786
Not sure how to interpret your post senpai. Just because you have a fantasy setting with timeloops functioning as a sort of respawn doesn't mean it'll turn into another SaO, if that's what you're alluding to.
The thing that makes R07s writing stand out is how well thought-out his character beliefs, motivations and constellations are, and a politicizised global setting should give him plenty of room to have those ideologies unfold into a society, make different worldviews clash with eachother and show the problems created by the political aspects of human existence more, where until now he has mostly just focused on interpersonal relationships.

I think that's where Ryukishi was trying to go with trianthology to some extent.

>>16818953
Have you played Rose Guns Days? It's a bit like that, with clashing political ideologies in an alternate history.

>>16818964
RGD is the one o7th expansion work I havent read, mostly because the post ww2 yakuza setting is too straightforwardly realistic for my taste. It just isn't the same without that element of the supernatural.

>>16818189
It has the best art style

Could you tell me what umineko song does this track look like?
https://youtu.be/aTBg8PArL00

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>>16818739
Narnith
I'm inclined to think he is legit because he made 5 hours worth of videos after Ep 4 explaining his theories and many of them were wrong

>>16819224
Yeah, I stumbled upon his videos recently and I believe he's for real as well. Haven't caught up with him yet because of the insane pace at which he's going, but the way he changed his views over the first couple episodes is organic.

>>16818421
Beautiful, also this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6YgNtJNr6A

>>16819378
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd5Vt_qct0s and the way its leitmotif is reframed in https://youtu.be/MNl4PNFubvQ?t=1m35s

>>16819583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ekl2p3Is7E is pretty good too
I wonder if it never gets posted because it only played during Maria's autism adventures

>>16818715

Well the last pan and cut to 1986 would be ambiguous, after the Ushiromiya's decision. Maybe they were permitted anyway, maybe not.

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The best Higurashi let's play is Fuandon's. He enjoyed the story, took it seriously, got invested in it and theorized all the way through. 9/10, it was like reading it for the first time again. No original sprites, though.

I'd say the best Umineko let's play is the one by Mr250zxdzero. I didn't like him at first, because he was always laughing at something, but he does take the story seriously and avoids spoilers like a madman.

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Berunkasteru laughing at your small dickens!

>>16819671
Ya know, I think the reason why a lot of people are so put off by maria is not so much that they dislike her as a character, but that they think of her as the type of person they would not want to associate with, which is why watching her daily life from close proximity makes them uncomfortable. It's the same phenomenon we get in Higanbana: People are careful not to get too close to the weird kid in their class, or even admit to themselves that they sympathize with them because of the social consequences, and that kind of mental barrier is present in them even when they are reading fiction.

I enjoyed the mariage sorciere stuff and Maria taking Sakutarou out to town. Of course, like Ange said it's ultimately nothing more than a sad illusion she has created so she can hold on to her hopes for a better future, but it's not something I find cringeworthy. In spite of everything Maria manages to believe that her mother cares about her, and she hasn't resorted to passing on the bad things she has experienced to others. As far as coping mechanisms go that's pretty good.

>>16819748
Never thought I'd see anyone mention fuandon on here, given how small his channel is. The world really is smaller than you'd think.

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It's been a year since I finished Umineko and I have a feeling that I will probably never forget
Ryukishi's wild ride. The amount of emotional shit mixed with the great music make it truly extraordinary experience. One can only hope that someday we'll get something better.

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>>16819748
Thinks AND enjoys the ride, will probably solve Umineko tier
Narnith

Tries to think and fails to do so but enjoys the ride tier
Mr250

Intellectual rapist who thinks with an irrational hatred for Maria and anime tier
Galactic Pokemon

Braindead retard who never started thinking but pretends he did tier
Sobata

Without love it cannot be seen tier
That one 14 year old literal autist furry

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>>16819748
I'd watch WTC related stuff on Youtube, but I don't want it recommending me infuriating crap like anime adaptation videos (full of cancerous comments), "goriest anime scenes" videos, reviews of the Higurashi anime, and shit like that.

They are mostly idiots, but there's always someone that could have liked the original VNs but ended up watching the anime instead, thought it was pretty decent and completely forgot about the series afterwards. I hate to see something I love being misrepresented and losing potential fans.

It's the same with a lot of great books. How many people have actually read The Neverending Story? It's a fantastic novel, meta as fuck. But everybody is more familiar with the shitty movie. When you recommend someone the book, they are always like "well, I'm not really interested in it, I'll read it eventually I guess..." or "I watched the movie and didn't think much of it". They can't even imagine how good it is, but they think they already know what it's like because they watched some bastardization of it.

Same with Frankenstein, Peter Pan, Dr. Jeyll and Mr. Hyde... Frankenstein's monster has turned into a braindead creature incapable of speech, Peter Pan has been disneyfied, while the original character was an eternal immature asshole with an extremely limited short-term memory and no long-term memory. Mr. Hyde is seen as some kind of second personality that takes over the doctor's body, while the original concept was great, he was more like a mask that allowed him to do whatever he wanted without consequences.

They have all been completely misrepresented and eclipsed by their adaptations, turned into uninteresting and trivial stories that people don't give a shit about. They actively discurage people from reading the source material, even though it's completely fascinating.

>>16819671
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6vALMSQHQ8

>>16819671

My unpopular opinion is that Maria's daily scenes in EP4 were good and I really liked reading them especially how you slowly realized that Rosa wasn't working and how alone Maria was

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>>16819789
>Without love it cannot be seen tier
That would be 1CrazyFoxx1. His Higurashi let's play is painful to watch. He constantly skips important scenes because he doesn't think they are important (I remember him literally groaning, complaining and skipping the text because the ending of Minagoroshi was "too long" and he didn't give a shit about all the villagers being killed).

I think he also skipped part of Takano's backstory or talked through it without paying attention because he didn't like her. And I think he censored the video where Satoko appears naked and said things during it that made him come off as a disgusting moralfag.

There is also this completely autistic chick that had one of the first Higurashi let's plays on Youtube back then. Katidid92 or something. She was entertaining to watch and gave Beato a really nice voice, but she would sometimes go on long autistic rants about her personal life in the middle of the video, was a complete moralfag too, her videos often sounded like crap and you could barely hear what she was saying...

And she eventually ended up deleting her entire Higurashi let's play because she wanted to "remake" it with the same audio problems but shittier sprites, but never finished it. Then she deleted it again and tried to remake it with even shitter sprites, but decided to abandon Youtube shortly after. Only to come back after a while with terrible "gaming" videos.

Fuandon was a godsend. The idea that someone read Higurashi blind without being spoiled by the anime beforehand makes me feel happy.

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>>16819789
>Thinks AND enjoys the ride, will probably solve Umineko tier
I don't think anyone can solve Umineko. The hints are there, but nobody is autistic enough to go back and read the "boring" first part of EP2 all over again. It was my favorite part of the novel even before I could see all the Yasu references, but most people hate it.

>>16819926
Narnith actually did go back after EP4 when he came to the conclusion that Shannon was Beatrice and said that the only thing he could find that related to Battler's sin was him promising to come back to her.

>>16819926
He has a decent understanding of japanese, suspects Shannon/Kanon and is autistic enough to reread whole scenes when he comes up with a theory
He even wrote down all the reds on the first episodes
If he rereads previous chapters he could end up figuring either the epitaph or the Shkanon bullshit

>>16818953
>He doesn't know about the best anime of the past 6 years.

The joke is that the Evangelion of Isekai has a plot about a time-resetting hero being granted his power by a evil witch.

Of course if you don't know that masterpiece of animation the joke is kinda wasted.

>>16819940
Sounds enjoyable. It's just that reading Umineko with those sprites and all the text confined inside that tiny box is just... weird. And while the voice acting is good, I think the novel reads better without voices. You can go at your own pace and feel the intensity of the action scenes and red/blue fights, without having to wait for them to stop talking after you read the text. Oh, and accidentally skipping to the next piece of dialogue while they are talking kind of ruins the immersion. They just stop mid-sentence like robots. Also, such a great soundtrack shouldn't have voices talking over it.

>>16819862
Wait, did the monster speak in the book? What the fuck?

>>16819963
I read Umineko without voices and I regret it
Kinzo, Erika and Beatrice are just spectacular
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfNaaqm8xPU

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R07 Mion best Mion. AlcheMion isn't bad either, but she's missing somehting. Mangagamer does nothing but garbage, including their translations. The fact that Witch Hunt is helping them retranslate Umineko is simply disgusting.

>>16820025
that left one is full
>tfw too intelligent for hinamizawa syndrome

>>16820025
The left is sassy, the middle one is cool and collected, and the right one has down syndrome. What happened?

>>16820025
for the most part, MG sprites > alch sprites, but mion looks really weird. it's a bit of a shame since she's the best character. ryu07 sprites are the best though.

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Does anyone have the Ange version?

>>16820174
There was an Ange version?

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The sight of the naked body of a loli is so corrupting and tempting it should never be bared, even in solitude: for though the eyes of men may look away the eyes of the Lord are always watching.

>>16820179
Yes, but I can't find it.

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What is the best way for Maria to react to a serious kiss?

1. Blushing and shaking and trying really hard to kiss back.
2. Being overwhelmed by the sensation and nearly collapsing.
3. Pushing away and saying "ew gross".

I think number 2 would be the best. Imagine sticking your tongue in and she starts shaking because she's overwhelmed.

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Sexiest seakitten.

>>16820196
Definitely 2. Seeing her get overwhelmed like that with her knees shaking sounds the cutest.

>>16820186
What did she mean by this?

>>16820196
>ew gross
Do lolis realize how cute they are? Or do they think of themselves as gross? Would Maria understand why anons want to lick her armpits and butt?

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>Listen to Umineko ost
>MFW its mostly mediocre, sometimes shit and almost never good

And yet you guys hype Visual Novel with such atrocious soundtrack over the manga, Plebs

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>>16820435
Why would you bait in a seacats thread?

>>16820435

>>16820435
Is this another refugee from /v/?

>>16820435
take it. Take this implied (you) like the whore that you are. Don't let a single drip go to waste

>>16820435

>>16818786
>inb4 Re:Zero is actually a witch's game board with Satella as a board master

Honestly this song fits Erika more than her own theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ1CeuQMv7s&list=PL4AC2245EFEE1FABB&index=42

>>16820335
They must be the stupidest creatures on Earth if they don't masturbate to their own image on a mirror. Imagine being a loli and recording yourself saying the dirtiest things so you can masturbate to it later!

>>16820903
>that cheeky oboe in the middle

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So... What's Ryukishi's real name?

>>16821022
TB

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>>16820964
Whenever I see a loli I always ask myself: Why is the word "cute" so cute?

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>>16821032
Why are Irie and Rena such massive pedos? And why do they look so similar?

>Rena's loser dad will never turn out to be that loser 45 year old from Kaiji that fell to his death halfway through the first season
>even though they look exactly the same
>Irie will never adopt Rena and share his illegal porn collection and Satoko spycams with her
>They will never spend all night masturbating to loli together
Literally why live.

>>16821044
This reminds me, Irie better get a goddamn cameo during WTC5
Tomitake was cool but Irie deserved it more

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>>16821051
Tomitake is apparently Ryu's favorite character. He kind of looks like him I guess. George looks like Tomitake too, at least in the original art.

I don't get it. He's a nice guy, but why is such a pathetic beta male his favorite character? There are much better characters and cute girls. Hell, there are a lot of cute girls that are also great characters in his works.

>>16821051
Americans pronouncing TomiTAKE like a verb always makes me laugh.

>>16821075
Aneymey
Heguhroshi
Rake-a
Casey and friends

Nothing except for 1990's dubs phase me anymore.

>>16821022
As far as I know his name is completely unknown which is kind of surprising since there are so many pictures of him

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K1xSatoko is my otp, ask me anything.

>>16821145
Good taste.

>>16821145
While you're not quite up here with me in your tastes you're at least you're not like one of those dirty mionxk1 apes.

The door to the RenaK1 club is open for you whenever you feel like upgrading your tastes

boy, this sure is turning into a quality thread

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Ushiromiya Angste a literal cute!

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>>16821490

>>16821490
Why is Ange so insanely hot? I wish those bullies would strip her naked and make fun of her hairy pussy!

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I absolutely love it when Ryukishi completely turns the mood of a scene around, he's probably the author that can get me the most hyped when reading anything, the song also helps I guess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3oD9OfWH_M

(don't kill me over the steam screenshot)

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>>16819748
>Fuandon
Thank you for recommending this to me. I needed someone to give me their opinions as they are reading, forming theorizes and whatnot.
I need this for... reasons.

>>16821778
Stop posting these awful graphics.

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>>16821839
What's wrong anon?

>>16821022
Hah, someone saved it.

Philip Butler best Battler. Wish there was a PS3 sprite of him too.

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Does anyone have this in lossless or even lossy format?
http://vgmdb.net/album/30328

Can't seem to find this anywhere and it's the only album I don't have in my Umineko collection.

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Good to see 410 reappear back in Trianthology.

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>>16822278
where can i find the umineko and higurashi ost?

can someone post the damedame "play cards with kid" cap?

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>>16823078

>>16821778
>>16821937
These graphics are tragic. Why would anyone in their right mind read Umineko like this?

>>16819789
>Narnith
He's the perfect reader for this type of story, but... God, why did he play the fucking Mangagamer release for the first four episodes?
>godawful interface that makes it difficult to read the text
>accidentally opening the message log over and over again
>fucking ACHIEVEMENTS and BGM titles that constantly ruin the immersion
>cheesy CGs
>moving mouths
>terrible translation
>Rokkenjimagate
>THAT PART WHERE THE ENTIRE ENDING SONG IS FORCED TO PLAY BEFORE ANGE EVEN JUMPS FROM THE SKYSCRAPER, RUINING THE SCENE
Seriously, this release is complete garbage. Is that what Witch Hunt has been doing all this time? Helping these morons with their disgusting release that ruins the best moments? They must be insane. I'll keep a copy of their translation patches around in case they decide to "update" them.

Okay, the translation is passable. But the old one was a hundred times better. There is no excuse for this shit.

>>16823383
I think you're talking about the PS3 fan patch. MangaGamer's release doesn't gave any of the things you listed

>>16823383
The PS3 port is great.

>>16823411
This.
The only thing that's available in the MG version in that list is achievements for the Steam version. Those are typically used to track people's progress.
You can switch to the original sprites at any time and even the original Japanese script if you really want to.

>>16823526
The only available English script is still terrible. Witch Hunt's script could use some revision in some parts, but this is straight up worse.

And isn't the VN engine completely different from the one we are all used to?

So all those fucked up things are UmiTweak's fault? Even the part where the game can't display the text and the music at the same time in that Ange scene, forcing them to separate both? Why would anyone taint their first experience using that crap?

>>16823139
Thank you. Going to rewatch later. I need a laugh.

>>16823547
The engine is different. Skipping through text is slower than the original, but it works just fine for me.

I have both the original and MG version. I just checked, the music starts as soon as the guards open the door while Ange is on the rooftop for both.

>>16823626
Then what the hell did that guy do? Watch his video, it totally ruined the scene for him. It was awkward as fuck.

>>16823653
Same thing, the music played at the very same moment in the same way. Unless you mean how the text was being auto-scrolled and he couldn't control it.
It looked like it was locked on Auto for that scene. I believe some scenes in the PS3 version seem to be like that, to sync up the voice acting and story with the music. It's like how Rougoku plays at the end of Episode 1's Tea Party where it gets intense right when it cuts to the credits.

>>16823674
I'm not talking about where the music starts. I'm talking about how the scene ends halfway through, the entire song plays by itself with a credits screen, and THEN, after the credits, with absolutely no music whatsoever, the game resumes and Ange jumps and the guards yell at her.

Does that really have nothing to do with Mangagamer's engine? Because I clearly remember the song playing during that part in the original game, instead of playing for a while, forcing you into a credits screen after a certain point and then ending the scene with no music.

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>>16823674
Nevermind, I see what you're talking about.
The PS3 version does indeed cut out the last part of the scene for the sake of syncing up the music. Bernkastel reaches out her hand and it ends there in the PS3 version. It's kept in the MG version.

>>16823698
>Does that really have nothing to do with Mangagamer's engine?
The PS3 patch (the one that Narnith is playing) is not MangaGamer's release. They're completely unrelated

>>16819985
I think "what you're used to" is a big part of it. I don't like Erika's voice because it doesn't match my mental conception of her voice, that I came up with while reading it.

>>16822327

Translations

when

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>>16823653
All these patches and re-releases are bound to have errors. Like the floating Hanyu sprite in Higurashi.

If these plebs could appreciate Ryukishi's original art and understand that this novel works better without voices slowing down your reading speed, they would enjoy it a lot more and wouldn't even have to deal with all these problems.

Is it really so difficult to experience it as it was originally intended by the author? Everything that came afterwards is just trying to appeal to casuals. The pretty soulless graphics that tries to imitate R07's facial expression and fails, the mandatory voice acting, the "text box" with character names that works much better in porn VNs focused on dialogue...

Don't even get me started on all the UmiTweak shit. Who the fuck wants to see the name of the current BGM every time it changes, especially during your first time reading the novel? It takes you out of the experience. It's like you can see the author manually changing the BGM to something sad or whatever, making it feel less organic and more artificial. If anything, that should be for people that are already familiar with Umineko, not for someone reading it for the first time. But it's not really their fault, it's the fault of the retards that recommend them to play Umineko with all that shit added in.

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>>16823782
I agree, I read the original version just fine without the regular sprites. I was reading it for the story, not the art, and the sprites grew on me over time.
It's too bad that the art turns people off from giving it a chance and reading it, I wasn't a fan of it either at first but the story and music really drawing me in helped.
In fact, I find it inspiring how someone with art like Ryukishi can still create a compelling visual/sound novel.

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>>16823817
Why did Alchemist get rid of Rena's autistic bunny hands pose? She was supposed to behave in a very childish way, trying to come off as a cute and cheerful girl. It looks ridiculous IRL, but it just feels right with Ryu's art style.

There's something about his deformed sprites and the blurred real life backgrounds that make his novels feel even more immersive. It's like your mind just accepts that bizarre-looking world and gets lost in it more easily.

It's also a very unique art style that stands out and makes you feel happy when you see it. The PS2 artwork is much more generic. And the backgrounds are awesome. Since they are photographs, they feel very realistic, but the blurring gives them a surreal vibe that matches perfectly with the character models and the story itself.

This is very apparent in Higanbana. It just wouldn't be the same with generic anime designs and sterile drawn backgrounds.

Some other examples would be the phone and the super detailed 3D chain in Umineko. Or the super detailed ash tray in Higurashi. They feel extremely genetic somehow, there's nothing unique about them. But since they are so detailed, you can't help but notice that Rosa's phone is the same as the one in the mansion, and the same as every other phone that appears in the story. Even the generic picture of a plant that sits next to the phone is the same every time a phone appears. It's obvious that it's just a recycled background.

In the original novels, you can see the backgrounds but you can't really see any details. Things like phones or ash trays don't stand out so much, it's not as immediately obvious that this phone is exactly the same as the one you saw in a completely different location. It's blurry, you just know that it's a phone and nothing more. Same with Hinamizawa and Rokkenjima. The detailed drawn backgrounds in the re-releases make these places feel less realistic and give us too much detail, leaving no room for the imagination. The image is too clean and you can easily see how boring and empty everything looks.

>>16823924
I couldn't figure out a way to explain why I like the original art and how it feels like the new art and changes takes you out of the story little by little without sounding like someone that just hates it for being different, but I believe you put it nicely.
It's the little things, but it all adds up.

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>>16823752
Not sure friend but I c'ant wait to see some more 410

>>16823924
I really enjoy the original backgrounds. They feel nostalgic for some reason, probably because they are real pictures taken in the real life Hinamizawa around the time Higurashi was released. It's been 15 years already!

I don't know, they just look very artistic, even though they are just real pictures with a couple of filters. They feel as if there's something interesting hidden somewhere in that blur, random details of real life captured by the camera, something that wouldn't appear in a drawn background unless the artist intended it. I think organic is the word I'm looking for.

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>>16821663
>Lick Maria's entire body after a long day of playing, especially her armpits and mouth
>Strip and humiliate teenage Ange, forcing her to shit herself in front of her bullies, rip out her pubes one by one and dance naked like a complete retard
>Rub my face on Jessica's curly, golden muff and spank her pale white ass cheeks until they turn red, while Kanon watches
I can't choose one!

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>>16824006
That's a boy!

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Best characters in the series.

>>16823782
>>16823817
At least MG's release gives folks a choice. Hopefully they make the right one.

>>16824582
>characters
>s

Huh?

>>16823782
>>16823817
>>16823924
Stop acting like your way is the only right way to experience the story. Tons of people enjoy the new releases and there's nothing wrong with that.

>>16824847
What was even their reason for using the pachinko sprites anyway?

>>16824931
They didn't have the rights to the alchemist ones and the originals turn off most new fans.

>>16824882
>people can't have preferences
ok

>>16824882
seconded that. i tend to mix all my sprites at random so as to yeah heah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0xNNI9P4GA

>>16823782
>Who the fuck wants to see the name of the current BGM every time it changes
The BGM names can be turned off in the settings at least

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>>16823782
If you don't think the Maria in a bloody room CG from Ep 1 or pic related are massive improvements you have incredible shit taste

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>higurashi?
>oh yeah I watched that animey it was pretty weird and fucked up

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It's thursday, and you know what that means.

SURPRISE MYSTERY TIME

The annual conference has been going on for hours now and the parents decide to go to their separate bedrooms.
All couples have their own bedrooms adjacent to each other, with an adjoining door in case of emergency. Eva and Hideyoshi are getting ready for bed, just as Battler walks by and hears both of them cry out in pain. He tries the lock, but it's locked from the inside.
He rouses the others to inspect.

Krauss and Natsuhi were on the left of Eva and Hideyoshi's room. Rudolf and Kyrie were on the right of their room. Rosa and Maria were in the room across.

They all break down the room and find both Eva and Hideyoshi dead on the floor, no sign of trauma or injury. Battler heard their cries of pain, perhaps they died of shock of some kind? The window was open though and a fierce wind blew through the room and some feathers were found by the window sill. Perhaps the killed escaped through there? But it was 4 stories high and no footprints were found beneath. The doors to both Krauss and Natsuhi's room, and Rudolf and Kyrie's room were locked from the inside of Eva and Hideyoshi's room.
How could the culprit have committed this crime, surrounded by locked rooms?

>>16825282
>just as Battler walks by and hears both of them cry out in pain

Where they fucking?

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>>16825263

>>16825307
/RED/ The sounds Battler heard Eva and Hideyoshi make were because of pain being inflicted upon them.

>>16825282
<ｇｏｏｄ!>
They were trying to kill each other for whatever reason and that resulted in them killing each other.
The feather is from the pillows. They tried to choke each other by stuffing the other with pillow feathers!

Bring on the unreasonable! I'll answer in kind

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>>16825349
/RED/ Hideyoshi did not kill Eva.
/RED/ Eva did not kill Hideyoshi.

I like your thinking, but a deadly pillow fight is not the answer!

>>16825282
Some way to get in to Eva and Hideyoshis room exists from the two adjacent rooms through the window! Like a ledge

Or the money theory
Rosa climbed on the roof from her room, lowered herself in to Eva and hideyoshi room, killed them, climbed back on to the roof and back in to her own room

>>16825282
/Blue/ there a door connecting Eva's room to Rosa's
making sure there is no word trickery

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>>16825414
The pillow itself was the killer. Hideyoshi and Eva fought bravely, but it wasn't enough to stop the pillow. The feather it left behind in the struggle is the clue to the culprit. By being a pillow, it could also survive the drop and not leave any foot prints.

Either that, or a human culprit took a pillow or two to cushion their landing and not leave any footprints.

>>16825479
Sasuga pillow-san

>>16825450
/RED/ Rosa and Eva's room are unconnected. There is a hallway between these rooms.

>>16825445
/RED/ No culprit entered Eva and Hideyoshi's room through the window.
And just to get Rosa out of the way.
/RED/ Rosa is not the culprit.

Gimme some Blues, brothers.

>>16825493
/Blue/ Hideyoshi left the key in the bedroom, so he had to climb in through the window. Eva was alseep and woke up to her husband breaking into the window and died of shock. Hideyoshi lost in grief killed himself

>>16825282
KINZO WALKED IN THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR, COMMITED THE MURDER AND LOCKED HIMSELF IN THE ROOM AND HID

>>16825493
/BLUE/ The culprit was already in the room and then used the window to escape to one of the adjacent rooms

>>16825479
>Diana
>black

>>16825263
This pisses me off so fucking much.

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>>16823924
I agree.

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>>16825493

/Blue/ Some weird killer bird that kills through a means of poisonous gas was used to kill them, it was inside the whole room since the start and it left through the window once the two were dead.

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>>16825493
>/RED/ No culprit entered Eva and Hideyoshi's room through the window.
/Blue/An accomplice climbed to their window, used a pillow to knock on their window to get them to open it
One inside whoever it was opened the door from the inside, letting the killer in and then closed it, leaving the crime scene through the window again

>>16826585
Wouldn't that make them the culprit?

>>16824931
desu Pachinko sprites for Chiru are alright, pretty much only the characters from the first two eps look questionable

>>16825927
>will and bern.gif

>>16822327
Looks like Ryukishi actually got worse at drawing since Higanbana
What the fuck?

>>16827111
The Chiru sprites are actually pretty good, especially Dlanor and Erika, I actually think pachinko Erika is the best Erika.
But it's still bad because the ep 1-2 character are stuck with bad sprites, namely Battler.

Speaking of Battler, are there any pics of pachinko sorcerer BATTLER? Can not find a single picture.

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Quick post best ZTS track

or you know what, i'll just do it myself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXv-h5WIMms

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>>16827552
Here you go desu

>>16827579
doesnt look too bad, but battler looking mexican ruins it

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>>16827631
Agreed, pachinko Erika is pretty cute though

>>16827651
>flat

I don't think so Tom

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>>16827694
Her bust varies.

>>16827651
Pachinko Erika is great, only character I'd say who's best version is pachinko.
Kinda sucks tho because shes my favourite character and she looks kinda weird in ps3 art

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>>16827729
I love PS3 Erika's expressions though.

>>16819789
I wanted to reread Umineko, so I'm following Narnith playthrough right now.

That guy is a gift sent from heaven. 9.5/10 would support the Patreon.

>>16827575
Here you go my man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_2Sso-JoO4&list=PL4AC2245EFEE1FABB&index=2
It's impressive how he composed both the most hype songs and the most sad one
Was deadangle also made by him?

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>>16827398
His drawing skills are constantly "improving" and changing from game to game. If you compare Hanyu with the other main characters, her sprite is considerably more detailed and the hair looks more natural. Same with Keiichi and other characters that got an actual sprite halfway through the series.

Umineko is pretty consistent overall, but there's something strange about Will and Lion's sprites. Ryukishi definitely improved since EP1 and could draw more detailed outfits. It's not very noticeable, though.

I personally like it. Hanyu's sprite makes her stand out from the others, which makes sense because she's not really human. While Lion and Will are both meta-characters from another reality. They need to look slightly weird and out of place.

Speaking of Lion, am I the only one that sees him as a personification of Sayo's ideal life rather than an actual person? He obviously has a backstory, a personality and a goal. He does exist in that fragment. But his appearance HAS to be bullshit. He's androgynous as fuck even though his balls are intact and he was raised as a boy.

Oh, and the blonde hair is also pretty suspicious, but we could ignore that (I doubt Mion's hair is really green in-universe, it's just an artistic license). But the fact that he's androgynous can't be denied, he even has a complex over it. He really does look like the sprite we are shown.

Also, the world he comes from is a fucked up fragment that Bernkastel created for the funeral. Shannon and Kanon are there, the relatives are mourning a BOOK that symbolizes meta-Beatrice, the chapel is cut off from the rest of the world... And the massacre still happens even though nobody was there to tell the siblings about the bomb that could erase the evidence. There wasn't even a credit card, which means that all the gold would disappear and the killer would have nothing to gain.

Lion's world is obviously completely fake. His backstory, personality and appearance are real in this fake world, but this is definitely NOT what Sayo would have been like if she was raised as Lion and grew up normally. All the androgynous bullshit wouldn't have been part of him, Lion was only like that because he represents Sayo's ideal. And Sayo doesn't even know what she is.

She's not really a girl and will never be one, but she has no genitals and doesn't know anything about being a boy. Lion looks like a mix of both genders because of this. Sayo's ideal wouldn't be a manly dude, even if that's what she is supposed to be, it's just too weird for her to imagine.

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>>16828292
Another thing I see fans discussing about is the part where Bernkastel cuts Clair open and all the "red truth" comes out. People seem to interpret this as the real truth, and believe that Kinzo started the battle with the italians because he wanted the gold.

I thought it was pretty clear that this is Sayo's interpretation of the story she was told. She saw Kinzo as a crazy lunatic that fucked his daughter and had a military base filled with corpses. She saw him as a complete monster, so she interpreted the story that way. It's not the real truth.

The scene where Beatrice II tells Kinzo that she doesn't love him "that way" is also Sayo's interpretation, not the objective truth. She has no idea that if you raise your daughter to be your lover, she won't find it strange. It will be natural for her because she doesn't know any better.

Beatrice II was a pitiful person because she was locked up in that mansion and didn't really love Kinzo. She was very lonely and wanted to meet more people and see what's out there. But that doesn't mean Kinzo "raped" her violently and traumatized her. He just had sex with her. If you grow up without anybody telling you that sex is shameful or that your body is "sacred", you won't really care about it. You'd just be slightly annoyed because this unattractive middle aged man convinced you to do it and you didn't like it. As simple as that.

My point is that Sayo isn't god. She can't know what happened during the war or before she was born. Stop thinking that Kinzo is canonically a deranged, violent rapist that would kill people for gold. That's not supposed to be the truth.

>>16828459
There's also EP3, where Beatrice tells Battler that Kinzo captured her and wouldn't let her escape, so she killed herself. And then Kinzo trapped her soul in an exact clone of her body or whatever. This is clearly Sayo interpreting things her way. Beatrice 1 clearly loved Kinzo.

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Are these still being sold?

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Is it true that Japan hates Ryukishi since he published EP8?

I really like his later works, especially Higanbana. It's a shame that it bombed because his fanbase is fucking autistic.

He's too much of an otaku himself to stop catering to that kind of audience, but the problem is that Japanese otaku are really fucking stupid. He tried to challenge people with a genuinely difficult riddle, dropping suble hints the whole way through, but his audience was unable to understand anything and demanded that he give away the answer.

He eventually gave it away with the EP8 manga, but by that time he had lost most of his fans. All his new works after Umineko bombed because people think he's a complete hack that made shit up on the spot and failed to give Umineko a solution.

This is why we can't have nice things.

>>16828579
No, it's not, it's just a meme.

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>>16828579
I think he had way too many fans for a niche doujin VN author. The majority of his fanbase (even the Japanese one) only knew about him because of the Higurashi anime. They were in it for the "yandere lolees killing each other". So naturally, they disliked Umineko and moved on. The real fans have always been there.

The comedy anime episodes are great, though. They really capture the spirit of Mion's club. I love how crazy they get!

>>16828579
Higurashi just happened to get really popular because of cute schoolgirls and killer lolis. Plenty of people don't even know that it has a sequel and it's Umineko, or the ones that do know aren't as interested in the secluded island with a largely adult cast.

>>16827807
I love how this guy suspects Shannon since EP4 but doesn't see anything weird about Kanon. And he still believes ghosts.

>>16828579
He shook up the loli genre by introducing serious themes in a setting that isn't very serious at first. And it birthed a lot of memes which at a time when anime was shifting from niche market to a mainstream one (in Japan) add a bit of luck and you have yourself a rags to riches story

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>>16828579
Well said. Shame RGD got even less recongition than Higanbana but it might be the other way around. Nevertheless it can't be helped. Goats will remain goats.

>>16828838
>loli genre
Higurashi is part of the harem genre.

>>16829110
I was contemplating whether to correct myself since it didn't sound right, but I assumed that I got the idea across

>>16829110
Are Rika and Satoko actually interested in K1, though? Rena and Mion obviously are, but that's just two girls. If the protagonist doesn't really have a chance with half the cast, I wouldn't call it harem.

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Why is this dumb twat the only one that gets fanart?

>>16829211
Really?
How about I describe Higurashi before shit hits the fan.

Higurashi is the story of K1, a new transfer student at a local school where everyone fits in a single classroom. Every day, is surrounded by girls of different personalities in which he has fun with different hijinks and shenanigans.

How is that not your typical harem story?

>>16829227
Because everyone loves manipulating lolis and they have a fun relationship. Plus, honestly, they kinda have the best story other than running girl.

>>16829227
That creep reminds me of Amakusa in so many ways.

>>16829227
There was only one thing I didn't understand. What were the implications of this youkai slowly eating tiny pieces of her soul? I mean, is she completely fucked now that this monster owns part of her soul? Will she recover once he is forgotten and replaced by new ghost stories? Is this some kind of metaphor about how being bullied traumatizes kids and taints their soul forever?

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>>16829231
Now that you mention it... K1 was literally living the dream. What a lucky bastard.

Meanwhile, Batora gets completely fucked IRL.

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>>16821044
>>16824184
Would you humiliate Rena?

>>16829331
How would you even humiliate her? She's too nihilistic and faking it most of the time. She probably would even care if you forcefully kissed her.

>>16828579
Where would you go to see Japanese discussion of R07s work, or vns in general for that matter?

>>16829271
>What were the implications of this youkai slowly eating tiny pieces of her soul?
It's just in service of the twist. Eating small amounts just to sustain him is what he needs to maintain the illusion and survive. He's not doing it out of malice which is what you are meant to believe while reading.

>Is this some kind of metaphor about how being bullied traumatizes kids and taints their soul forever?
To a degree, yes. I saw it more as the outcome of letting bullying occur over time without standing up for yourself or doing anything about it. You can lie to yourself, live in your own illusion that nothing bad is happening and keep a happy smile, but it will cost you a bit. And over time, it will accumulate until you break.

>>16829311
>Meanwhile, Batora gets completely fucked IRL.
>implying he isn't fucking all those meta characters.

>>16829357
I'm not sure if 2chan archives exist, but I think Ryukishi had a website with a forum and everything back in the day.

>>16829271
>Is this some kind of metaphor about how being bullied traumatizes kids and taints their soul forever?
My interpretation is that escapism eats away at you until you can no longer live in reality. Fantasy is a world that is completely under your control, and because of the peace and comfort it can give you it deprives you of the strength you would need to change your destiny and bet your hope-chips on something real.

>>16829211
Satoko sees him more as an older brother, while R07 mentioned that Rika will likely be interested in him eventually in an interview.

>"He thinks there’s a very good chance Rika will fall in love with Keiichi because of what he did during her 100 years. Plus, Keiichi is likely to turn out like Akasaka. However, he says that Rika is still young, so she might meet someone else in the future (like Ryukishi07). But he thinks that either way, Rika and Keiichi will end up having a deep relationship."

Either way, even though it does have harem elements, Higurashi is much more focused on friendships between the characters rather than romance so it doesn't really feel much like one.

>>16829396
That's an incorrect translation, he only says that they could develop a relationship in the future. Rika only saw K1 as his savior and nothing more.

Why do I get the feeling that the meta doesn't exist at all even though it obviously does? I always think of the meta characters as metaphorical bullshit, but I think of Bernkastel and the events of Higurashi as real, which means that everything the witches interact with is real as well. I'm contradicting myself.

Does this mean that real Battler is fucked but Meta-Battler DOES exist in a higher plane of existence and is living the dream?

Does this mean that the people in the island died and lost their consciousness forever because there is no afterlife IRL... but meta versions of them DO exist in the metaworld?

This is very interesting but also really fucked up.

>>16829357
2ch

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Would have Yasu even tried to make it seem like Beatrice did everything if it wasn't for Maria? It seems like she would have accomplished her goal without all that bullshit and only did it to make Maria happy.

>>16828459
Kinzo's story was, rather than just a story, the result of Will using the power of Observation on him. Such a power is described as being rather like a more "wide-viewed" version of the Detective's privileges, so I'd actually consider Kinzo's own flashback more reliable than the scenes of Bernkastel dragging out the guts, since in the end, those are implied to be just more rumors and unhappy theories that Shannon believed in.

>>16829418
The witches like bern, lambda featherine obviously exist. You could argue that bern and lambda are sub witches of featherine

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>>16829491
>described as being rather like a more "wide-viewed" version of the Detective's privileges
Not just that, Bern specifically says that she'll give Will the power to learn Kinzo's truth when she gives him the Observation power

>>16829503
That's what I mean. If they exist, everything they interact with exists too. Even if it's a metaphor or a representation of theories about the Rokkenjima incident, it exists in that sense. It's not just a way for Ryukishi to "embellish" the story for the audience and make it interesting. All the gameboards, all the pieces and fantasy characters, they all really exist from Bern's perspective.

>>16829580
Well, we can say for sure that Hanyuu exists in Higurashi.

Either Umineko takes place in the same universe, in which case magic exists, time loops are a thing and metaworld Beatrice made a contract with Lambda to make Battler realize the truth after he failed to in prime, or Umineko is set in a separate universe and the "witch" that takes up the name Bernkastel is just a character "Auaurora" felt compelled to put into the story because she enjoyed Higurashi as a fictional work, and Lambda is an original character she came up with as a counterpart to Bern.

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>>16819862
I deactivated Tor only to show my approval to your post.
This is one of the truest post I've seen in my whole life

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>>16829482
I'm more confused about her real goal.

>The witch will praise the wise, and should bestow four treasures.
>One shall be, all the gold from the Golden Land.
>One shall be, the resurrection of the souls of all the dead.
>One shall be, even the resurrection of the lost love.
>One shall be, to put the witch to sleep for all time.

The final part of the epitaph says that after the witch revives and the door to the Golden Land is opened, she will give the survivors those four treasures. This sounds like she will reveal that the murders were fake, tell the family that they can keep the gold, confess her love to Battler and go live somewhere outside the island.

But what's her goal exactly? When the witch "revived" after killing 13 people, she never did any of these things. Which means that the REAL ceremony in which 13 people have to be sacrificed refers to the riddle of the epitaph. She expects someone to solve the epitaph before she will stop the whole plan and give the winner the four treasures. It's an extremely unlikely outcome and she knows it.

So... What happens if Battler finds out that she's the culprit? Is it the same as solving the epitaph? Does she expect to blow up everything unless Battler manages to win this harmless game in which people are participating with no clue that there is a massive bomb threatening their lives?

But everything I said above doesn't matter, because she's killing the victims for real since the very beginning, using bribes, blackmail, and the premise that the murders are fake to gain different accomplices. There is no way she can bestow these four treasures, the victims can't revive. The only way for them to "revive" is after the other interpretation of the epitath (the murders) is completed and they all go to the afterlife.

So this means that she doesn't really have a goal. She wants to kill herself, get revenge on every person responsible for her misfortune, and kill everyone she loves to prevent them from suffering (Maria is being abused, George will find out that his girlfiend is furniture, etc). All the magic bullshit is just for Maria and deep down she kind of wants to fuck with Battler's head. She never really expected anyone to accept her fucked up body. Hell, the siblings actually find the gold in EP7 before the murders happen and she's almost disappointed. She has really given up on life.

Is my interpretation correct? Does she really not have some kind of goal in mind that could bring her happiness? Is she just hopeless and the whole epitaph challenge is a bullshit excuse to make herself feel better about it, as if she's giving them a small chance of survival? Because that shit is borderline impossible to solve, especially when everyone is freaking out about the murders. She must be aware of that.

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>>16829788
She wanted Battler to stop her

Also keep in mind that Yasu didn't write the epitaph, Kinzo did. She just decided to follow it because she's insane

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>>16829788
This bitch is so fucking crazy I love her. Shame about her lack of tits and hairy pussy, though.

Say whatever you want. Shkanontrice is a great character. Better than Takano, in my opinion. Takano had more presence, though. The whole idea of her willpower creating a certain and absolute fate is very attractive.

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>>16830120
>they have noses
It can't be Japanese.

>>16830120
Kuropin on tumblr

>>16830120
Why is Shannon so much cuter than Slutoriche?

>>16829424
Jesus Christ, I never knew 2ch had so many boards. Which one do the nips discuss visual novels on?

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>>16830172
She's a nice girl.

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>Higurashi
>best girl has loli tits
>Umineko
>best girl is autistic
>Higanbana
>best girl is delusional and will ahegeo if you try to wake her up
Which one is the best?

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>>16830213
No contest.

>>16830186
I'm guessing 07th expansion stuff is discussed in the doujinshi board (同人ゲーム), there's a Higurashi thread there atm

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>>16830213
It's easy to write Maria off as an autistic kid with ptsd, but there's a reason Ryukushi devoted a pretty sizeable chunk to her creating her own religion, and her thoughts and feelings being passed on to Ange in the form of her diary and eventually turning into the basis of a modern myth that becomes a huge cultural phenomenon and changes many peoples lives for the better. R07 clearly must have thought she had something important to say. If we're going by Takanos definition, you could make a pretty strong case that Maria succeeded where she failed and became a god.

>>16830350
>a pretty sizeable chunk
... of umineko of course. sorry, it's getting late.

>>16830350
The autistic one in umineko was meant as Erika

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>>16830427
You mean the goats?

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>>16828579
This is all speculation, but, I'd say that the Japan fanbase is as divided as the Western one. I don't think people completely hate him, because keep in mind that Umineko was popular enough to warrant a remake with updated sprites and voice acting and a manga.

I don't think Umineko "ruined Ryukishi's career", since Ryukishi is still getting work and doing stuff. Hell, didn't Rose Gun Days get a play or something? Umineko is probably extremely polarizing, but I still love it anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPXIzDCgSyg

7:26
>What I speak is our tale. However, this is a small world, sealed by glass and cork, with no one to hear.

Man, I feel like the biggest slowpoke in history. How did I not catch this line when I first read it? Here I thought that the confessions bottle was a manga only thing, but it's laid out in the VN itself, Ryukishi just makes it more obvious in the manga.

>>16829788
The epitaph has nothing to do with Beatrice's goal. Read that passage as a message from Kinzo to Yasu (and the Beatrices) and it will all make sense

>>16830694
Can't into moon besides katakana, what does this chart say?

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>>16830795
It's not really a chart, it's just some reviews that these guys wrote. These are the general ratings for Umineko. The reviews in general don't typically say anything that the western fanbase hasn't already said. Same shit like 'don't make fun of the reader', not liking the general direction of episode 8, etc.

Iwaihime also looks like it has gotten some pretty good reviews too looking at the scores. Maybe it's due to the fact that people who dislike Ryukishi avoid his work anyway so the people that tend to read it and review it are prone to liking it? Idk. I might check out that game if I have time, though, seems interesting.

>>16819789
>Narnith
>look him up and watch some of his videos
Holy shit, the dude pretty much solved the entire thing after the first four arcs.

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These Omake are actually pretty funny.

>>16830836
Iwaihime probably got better reviews because it's way more "conservative" in terms of structure and in the way it handles its themes than anything R07 has done since Higurashi.
Umineko was metafictional to the point of absurdity and challenged peoples views on religion, truth and love
Higanbana had a short story format and dealt with school bullying as its main theme, which is not something most escapists will feel comfortable with
RGD did the whole parallel storytelling across different time periods thing, was overtly political, dealt with japanese nationalism and ended in tragedy and despair
Iwaihime has a group of friends doing club activities until tragedy occurs because of [insert supernatural horror here] but it's okay because timeloops.

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>>16831722
Didn't know IWA has been partially trasnlated already o.O

>>16823924
Higanbana was pretty cringy though. Especially when it came to the 2nd night with that blind musician or the notorious Renoir of the Art room. I could never understand where Ryu was going with Higanbana's character herslef. It's somewhat hard to tell whether she is a cheaper version of Erika or a poor attempt at creating another Trollkaster.

>>16831790
>o.O
oh shit nigga what are you doing?

Higanbana, who thinks of herself as a demon, is given a chance to "pretend" to be human when Marie offers to be her friend. I think she's meant to slide into that relationship out of curiosity, become attached to it without even realizing what's happening, - constantly on the edge of falling back into her youkai ways but holding on to some new-found form of sanity because while she doesn't mind cruelty she's starting to value Maries friendship and couldn't bear being hated by her. Basically a classic redemption story.

>>16831790
>IWA has been partially trasnlated already
Wha

>>16831790
>IWA has been partially trasnlated
Has it? I can't find anything about a translation

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How autistic or playable When the Seacats Cry fan-fiction is? Should I give it a try or altogether stay away from it?

>>16827744
>gives her a kiss

>>16832038
I honestly just liked and totally recommend the Erika one. The only downsides of that entry are that it doesn't have an appropiate ending (it just cuts off in the middle of the climax) and that there are horrible choices that could potentially ruin the game by making Erika miss most of the murders.

>>16831890
>>16831942
I think anon was confused because he doesn't think anyone on this board knows japanese. He's obviously /new/.

>>16832038
There are also the ones made by Renall, but just one of them is finished (Redaction of the Golden Witch) and the Erika one (yes, another one centered on Erika) is still in production. There are also the ones made by Janpoo, Witches and Woodlands and Witch of Truth (another Erika one that is unfinished). Holy hell, why are the Erika ones never finished despite been the best ones?

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>>16832059
Nobody likes Erika

>>16832076
Obviously if that were the case then they wouldn't even exist in the first place.

>>16832076
You know, it is interesting how Erika is a mix of all traits that make a character tend to be disliked and she still manages to be a fan favorite
>smug
>acts like an asshole 99% of the time
>Mary Sue powers like perfect memory or super intelligence
>Sore loser

>>16832108
Because Erika is the perfect annoying character.

>>16832108
Amusing dialogue, memorable character design and good direction can make any fictional asshole a great character.

>>16832108
Because she is self aware of all of this and makes no apologies for what she is

>>16831790
>I could never understand where Ryu was going with Higanbana's character herslef. It's somewhat hard to tell whether she is a cheaper version of Erika or a poor attempt at creating another Trollkaster.

She's the character that is the most well defined of the bunch, and one that clicked almost immediately for me. I can't fathom how you can't grasp her.

She's a trickster/ironic punishment youkai. She's big on irony, ironic punishments, people being punished for their own sins, tricking people out of their own stupidity, and all that. She isn't ultimately evil, but she certainly isn't nice, and can't be downright vicious. She eats soul, but then all youkai do, and only those of the suicidal: because suicide is the ultimate sin (and stupidity) against oneself, and should be punished accordingly. She sees no issue at eating the morons and tricking the weak, and is blissful at the thought of tricking evil people and returning their sins against them.

She is a very well rounded and coherent trickster type of character. I like her really a lot.

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>>16832108

I know this firsthand. I tried to write an insanely smug and annoying character who's a sore loser and he became a beloved meme in my writing group. Like, what the hell? I was trying to make people hate him while enjoying myself but everyone loved him.

>>16832229
I knew it, Nisio browses jp.
Why didn't you make Kumagawa the main character you damn hack?

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What happened to KnownNoMore channel ?

>>16832336
https://www.youtube.com/user/KnownNoMore
The channel is still there, but it looks like he either privated or deleted all his videos

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>>16832286
wish someone did a corssover between medaka box and umineko

>>16832909
/blue/ The doors connecting the adjacent rooms can be unlocked from either side allowing the culprit access into room and then killed them without entering Eva's room directly

Sorry for being gone for so long. If anyone's still interested in that thursday mystery:

>>16825748
>>16825510
>>16825543
>>16826235
>>16826585
/RED/ The culprit never entered the room.
/RED/ The murder weapon both is and isn't still in the room.
^I put that one in because I remember people saying they liked wordplay

>>16832937
/BLUE/ The murder weapon was a pillow and after during the attack the pillow burst and the feathers scattered

>>16832930
Good thinking, but no. For the sake of this mystery,
/RED/ The doors can only be locked from Eva/Hideyoshi's room's side. It's locked by turning the doorknob underneath the keyhole inwards.

>>16832954
/RED/ The murder weapon was no a pillow of any kind.

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>>16833019
/BLUE/ Both were eating something when suddenly a seagull flew in from the window.
The shock from seeing a seagull flying around in the room caused both Eva and Hideyoshi to scream and then choke on their food, causing both their deaths.

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>>16833057
I guess we're doing the whole
>1 prize for the one who solves it
>1 prize for the most plausible answer, yet not the right one
>1 prize for the most ridiculous answer
thing again? Some of the things people have said have been outright ridiculous

>>16833064
/BLUE/ Hideyoshi was stressed out after the conference and wanted a smoke. He opened the window even though the typhoon had started, because he didn't want to piss off Eva.

However Eva was extremely stressed and Hideyoshi allowing the strong wind into the room angered her. She picked up a pillow and hit him on the head tearing the pillow, Hideyoshi suprised by this attack turned around and attacked Eva. They both end up killing each other.

>>16833124
I refer you to
>>16825414
/RED/ Hideyoshi did not kill Eva.
/RED/ Eva did not kill Hideyoshi.

/RED/ Eva and Hideyoshi were murdered by either Krauss, Natsuhi, Rudolf, Kyrie, Rosa or Maria.

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>>16832670
「Miracles, huh? Such things don't exist for someone like me. Not even you could change that.」

>>16833257
Imagine erasing the concept of miracles

>>16833291
>Oh, you erased the concept of miracles? Well, in that case it would be a real miracle if a miracle did happen, wouldn't it? kuhuhu~
>it's not very effective

>>16832108
A lot of characters that would be obnoxious assholes in real life are liked when it comes to fiction because of how entertaining they are.
Erika plays dirty and is unapologetic for it, there's times where she throws things into chaos but also lets her emotions and pride get the best of her to show she's not as perfect as she believes herself to be, and she's a pervert but with a past that shows she's a person too. She ends up being a great antagonist for the series by taking the detective's role that was previously Battler's and showing that their side can be just as wily as the witch's. Her existence mocks Battler and Beatrice and she ends up being a worthy rival.

>>16832108
I love exactly all of those traits, specially in a detective.

>>16829227
Really, I wish there was more Michiru and Yoko fanart.

>>16831890
>>16831942
Well, there is also some of the manga that's been translated.

>>16825282
/Blue/ The party that first entered the room after breaking in did not consist of every individual for whom the rooms were mentioned, i.e. Maria or someone else was not present at the time.

>>16832937
They were poisoned during the meeting

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>>16832937
/Blue/ They died via food poisoning.

>>16833958
/RED/ The party that entered the room consisted of everyone previously mentioned. Krauss, Natsuhi, Rudolf, Kyrie, Rosa, Maria and Battler, and no one else.

>>16834004
>>16833982
/RED/ Eva and Hideyoshi did not die due to poisoning during the meeting, or food poisoning.

You might want to go through the Knox Decalogue. This one plays a bit with the rules but would still conform to the holy rules.

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>>16834129
Kyrie, Rudolf, Krauss or Natsuhi threw poisonous gas inside Eva/Hideyoshis room through the gap below the adjacent door, they opened the window to try to breath clean air but it was too late
Most of the gas left the room but some of it still remains so you can say the murder weapon is both inside and outside the room

>>16834371
<CONGRATULATIO---->
I think you might win the prize for most plausible, yet not right answer. It works with all the reds and makes sense. Great job. It might even be better than the truth.

/RED/ No poisonous gas was used in the murder of Eva and Hideyoshi

>>16834371
>>16834416
Oh, I should say.
/RED/ The murder weapon both is and isn't still in the room. It both is in Eva/Hideyoshi's room AND the culprit's room. Not outside of the window.

>>16830276
There's an Umineko thread in the "catalogue" was well. I gotta say, 2ch has a bloody horrible layout. Are there any good user scripts to make it more bearable?

>>16814726
What was his riddle again?

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>>16834496
>>16814726
It's really simple. It stops at 1 cm (10 mm) just like the riddle says

>>16834645
That one and the one with the floors were the easiest for me.
It had the be the 4th floor because the answers were
>...st
>...nd.
>....rd
>.....th
or something like that. Only the four fitted grammatically at least.

>>16834677
>>16834645
Not gonna lie, I save-scummed hard during episode 8.

>>16834423
/BLUE/ the murder weapon is the door connecting Eva's room and one of the others

>>16818059
>What's Dai up to these days?
http://www.jp.square-enix.com/mashirocchi/

This

>>16814726
What? You don't need to know Japanese to solve Kumasawa's riddle. You just have to change one syllabe to turn "sabara" into a fine desert. As long as you have heard about the Sahara desert and know how Japanese syllabes work, it's easy as hell. You don't even need to know what a sabara is (even though the riddle itself tells you that).

>>16835246
/RED/ The doors connecting Eva's room to the others were never opened once they were locked, and Eva and Hideyoshi had not been killed or poisoned in any way before they locked those doors! This of course also includes the door to the hallway.

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Where can I download the complete fan-translated Umineko manga? I think the official translation is garbage.