Touhou questions thread

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>>16798643
Do you dare question her highness?

>>16798643
Because people die when they are killed.

>>16798656
I mean special as in that she cannot die.

>>16798643
See on the moon you won't die of old age or even age. Someone blows your brains out you're dead.

Kaguya just gets up and asks what the fuck was that for?

Why isn't Mima coming back?
Why is raccoon hag getting all the attention?
Who is the meanest touhou?

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>>16798670

>>16798643
She also can't die on Earth, or the Sun, or anything at all, really.

Can Shiki kill Hourai-jin?

>>16798643
Read the written works, Lunarians actually aren't immortal and eventually will die. They're not 100% pure even if they act as little bitter elitist cunts.

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>>16798757
And in case you need source

>>16798712
Those who've drank the Hourai Elixir have no death.

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Why are they so cute?

>>16798712
Yeah but they won't stay dead.

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>>16799133
Here's a better question: why are they so hot despite being so cute?

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How do you pronounce this tengu's name?

I am not good at English or Japanese, it seems like there are a bunch of ways to pronounce it

>>16799220
Taters

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>>16799194
You wouldn't sexualize a fairy...

Did Eirin drink the special moon juice? She's the one who made it, but from what I've seen the canon seems to contradict itself.

>>16799274
Wasn't precisely that why she got exiled from the moon?

>>16799246
I don't think you know me very well.

>>16799274
Eirin says in Ghost Team's ending in IN that she drank the Elixir as well, so she's an immortal like Kaguya and Mokou.

>>16798643
Hourai immortality is perfect immortality of the soul. Someone like Remilia is considered "immortal" as well, and she calls herself that, but we know she's not really truly immortal like the Hourai people are.

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>>16799246
This fairy was made to be sexualized.

>>16799220
Rat a too ee

>>16799396
So if Eirin is Omoikane, then is she an immortal god or an immortal deified human or are not all gods reliant on faith?

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>>16799225
What's "taters," Precious?

>>16799397
Stop trying to dick freedom clown!

>>16799220
Hate Tate(as in Kate).

>>16799220
Ha (as in a laugh ha), Ta (as in 'ta ta' or goodbye) Te (as in Ten)

What's the circle on the front of Reimu's dress on the SoPM cover?

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>>16799501
I just realized that it only shows on this version, so maybe it was something they revised.

>>16799498
What was the white box yukari took as payment from kourin which he understood as a music instrument in CoLA?
Did yukari just trick him into thinking it transported him to human world and it was just a walkman?

Would Mokou still survive even if she were destroyed by Flandre?

>>16799523
Probably. She self-immolates and gets over it. Yuyuko was scared of the Hourai because their souls couldn't be rippped out and manipulated like everyone else.
Flan has some nonsense mystic eyes of death perception thing that's used only once for an article and then dropped.

Why is being immortal something special when it can be man made and eventually anyone can be immortal?
All you have to do is to eat the liver of someone that's immortal and then another guys eats your liver, eventually everyone will be immortal.

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>>16799536
>Flan has some nonsense mystic eyes of death perception
She has Killer Queen with unlimited range.

>>16799519
I think you misunderstood that whole chapter. IIRC, it was an ordinary MP3 player, and as he was examining it, deep in thought, he got spirited away to the outside world. Yukari then grabbed him and pulled him back, then took the player, probably to prevent him getting into any more trouble with it, but with the excuse that she wanted it because it was a fashionable item in the outside world or something. As usual for Kourin, he didn't really know what was going on, and since all of CoLA is told through his unreliable perspective, the chapter might have come across as a bit confusing on your first read.

>>16799602
I don't think the liver thing is canon; it was mentioned in some dialogue as a legend or something, but it's probably not true, since the Hourai Elixir works through magic, not chemicals.

Also, it's not like just anyone can make the Elixir; I'm pretty sure Eirin was the only one able to do it.

What are sanae ten desires

>>16799602
"Man made" is a pretty big stretch. The Hourai Elixir could only be made with Eirin's brilliance and Kaguya's power to manipulate eternity.

The liver thing is based on an old legend about eating a mermaid's liver so it might not apply, but either way you'd have to incapacitate one of the Hourai for long enough to do it. None of the humans who fought Mokou were truly interested in the end.

>>16799639
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When will Orin become a playable character?
All stage 5 bosses become playable right?

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>>16799723

>>16799723
Not the cats.

Explain how if everyone stops believing in them, all gods, youkai, afterlives, and even literally immortal in every way fairies will cease to exist but elixir immortals will still exist without anyone to believe in immortals, magic, or moon men anymore.

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>>16799762
Because alchemie stronk and faith weak.

>>16799762
Umm how do you know elixir of immortality exist did you saw any immortal person lately

>>16799762
Because Mary Su- I mean Eirin is for some reason a super genius that can even break the rules set by the authors.

>>16799762
I would think that the Lunarians have themselves a more favored position because of how humanity works.
You can doubt that sunbeams are caused by gods and natural spirits. You can explain echo dogs away. You can light the night and lose your fear of the dark.
But you'll never shake the feeling that some privileged cunt is enjoying wonders far beyond what you can see.

>>16799762
Because the Hourai Elixir is the perfect immortal potion, you can't reverse the effects in any way.

>>16799762
>>16799959
And since I didn't address your question specifically - because that's the nature of their legend.
If they're supposed to be truly eternal then they exist as such because it's what people believed when they were created.
Also elder magic bullshit hax. And Eirin's shady drug.

>>16799970
What if she creates an anti-hourai elixir?

>>16799976
They maybe they don't have to experience the Big Rip.

>>16799762
Do Lunarians play by youkai rules? I always assumed they just existed like aliens and would keep on living regardless of if humans exist to believe in them, but I never actually considered what the true nature of a Lunarian was.

Fairies I thought would cease to exist when nature no longer existed, which is to say when Earth ceases to be.

>>16799976
She says herself that's literally impossible to nullify their immortality, so she can't do that.

>>16799133
>>16799194
Because they're lolis.

>>16799220
https://en.touhouwiki.net/images/f/f7/Pronunciation_HatateHimekaidou.ogg

>>16800125
All they need is a little girl with the power to the extent of nullifying immortality.

If you think about it, Kaguya can "kill" other Hourai drinkers - she can somehow completely destroy them, and then use her eternity power to completely lock them in the dead state before the come back. But then there's a chance that whoever she killed will just become a soul forever without a body, and she'd probably be lonely without another Hourai person to keep company with.

>>16798643
If I recall correctly, Kaguya is royalty because she is very, very pretty.

Like that is literally it.

>>16800728
Her profile says she was born in the royal house.
The beauty is just additional luck.

As an aside, I really love whenever the "most beautiful girl in Japan" thing comes up in fanworks and she lords it over the more plain girls.

>>16800743
Ah was she? Maybe I'm thinking of the Kaguya of legends.

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>>16799220
HACHACHACHAHCAAAA

>>16799498
Is that accurate? I've always pronounced the Te like a low-emphasis Tay. Like Tewi, almost. Rolls off the tongue real nice like that.

>>16800743
Who the fuck isn't royalty on the Moon?

>>16800473
Nope.
The Hourai Elixer is basically that one kid with the everything-proof shield, except it actually works. There's not even the slightest, most remote, most technical way to get around Hourai immortality, because that's just how it works.

>>16800938
Except nobody has really tried their fullest to kill anyone with the Elixir?
Just as someone can create something that makes on immortal someone can also make someone that can make you mortal again.

>>16800929
Nearly everyone, presumably.
They're elite but that only begs for more hierarchy.
And the bunnies are just slaves.

>>16800945
How many times need people to repeat the process can't be reversed in any way ever because it's the ultimate immortality?

>>16800113
Lunarians are super pure humans who live in the moon. The moon rabbits are aliens.
>Fairies I thought would cease to exist when nature no longer existed, which is to say when Earth ceases to be.
Thats correct

Unless you have the power to completely remove existence or some shit, you cannot kill an hourai immortal.

No, Flandre's ability doesn't count.

>>16801474
>>16801004
> process can't be reversed in any way ever because it's the ultimate immortality?
>Unless you have the power to completely remove existence or some shit, you cannot kill an hourai immortal.
Source please

>>16798643
From the wiki translation of CoLR chapter 1

"Those who use the Hourai Elixir take on the same taint as humans. I knew that even if Kaguya could return to the lunar capital, she couldn't live a normal life. I decided I would atone for my sin by helping find a place on Earth where she could live an easy life as a human. "

Seems like the elixer itself makes one impure somehow and while the drinker is likely too immortal to care, the other lunarians are not.

>>16801484
Hourai elixir is ultimate immortality, no backsies!

>>16799409

Given how complete the protections of the hourai elixer are, and tgat it completly removes the very idea that the drinker can die from the target, the elixer very likely makes death and depowerment by faithlessness impossible in the same way Mokou cannot simply starve to death.

There's also the unanswered question of how Eirin and the other celestial gods lived in the times before humans, as Eirin is so unfathomably old (assuming her claims are true)that the duration of hunanities existance actually has to be taken into account.

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Why are there no Dragon 2hus /jp/?

Dragons are the biggest eastern mythos, yet no 2hu to represent them

>>16802018
You should brush up on your lore, a dragon is THE God in Touhou

>>16799523

"Complete destruction results in complete restoration" as the wiki puts it. The elixir is commonly referenced to make the user immortal beyond physical damage as the soul regrows lost flesh, and the soul unable to be altered or maniplulated leaving it immune to Yuyukos power and similar abilities. As such, a simple destruction power cannot hope to break it.

>>16801975
>Seems like the elixer itself makes one impure somehow

I think it's because taking it means you acknowledge your status as a mortal which makes you impure to the eyes of Lunarians.

To be frank, I still don't fully understand what Lunarians' concept of purity is, and Junko's power complicates things even more.

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>>16800945
>>16801484
Has Touhou fandom really reached the point where people think you can kill a Hourai just because "no one's really tried"? No, you fucking can't. Kaguya and Mokou couldn't end each other. Yuyuko can't touch them and is terrified. Junko knows she can't actually kill Chang'e.

Alice says in IN's extra that it renders the soul truly immortal, beyond the limits of a physical body. It is a perfect immortality. Complete destruction results in complete restoration. There is no way to break the soul, and the soul is the core tenant of one's existence in Touhou.

>>16802037

Without going too deep into the "what is lunarians concept of purity rabbit hole" (which I wouldn't even try without a full reread of basically everything involving them and a crash course on shinto concepts of impurity), Junko's power is the other meaning of purify, to remove impurities in the traditional, physical sense (though on a metaphysical level).

It worked to fuck over lunarians not because she generated impurity herself but because she purified fairies, which are spirits of nature and life, and life that ends in death generates the lunarian kind of impurity, so purified that is the lunarians worst nightmare (on top of fairies being difficult to get rid of by force due to not dieing when killed). Junko's power does not seem to directly interact with lunarian impurity at all (though, in theory, might be able to apply to it, not that she would ever help them).

>>16802037
I think the way to think about Junko's power is that she "refines" things to the utmost, so like she could make some chocolate pure chocolate (bitter!)

The concept of purity v impurity is different though, it's like weird philosophical life shit. Anyway when Junko "purified" the fairies she made them SUPER LIFE, which upset Lunarians who deny mortality.

>>16802114
>"refines"
I wish the translators had stuck to that word to describe what Junko does.

>>16802037
The Lunarian concept of purity (kiyome) and impurity (kegare) are distinct from Junko's version of purity.

The former is, as said, the Shinto version...with the addition of some Pure Land stuff from Buddhism.

In Junko's case, it's basically refinement, such as when dealing with metals. It has no relation to the Lunarian version.

Anyway, that which invites kegare, such as death, is bad, bad, bad.

That old trope of a miko or priest sitting under a waterfall meditating, it's one way of cleansing yourself of impurity.

Traditionally, this is why butchers, tanners, undertakers, and such were traditionally discriminated against in Japan (look up Burakumin). Because their line of work deals with death, they were thought to be tainted with kegare.

>>16802252
Thanks for this post, it's really interesting. I'll look into those concepts.

>>16802018
Because the only dragon is THE Dragon, or Ryuujin. He's the top dog in all the worlds.
There can be cute youkai girls, but dragons are too high above this realm for that.

>>16802252
How does Junko's power work anyway? Does she just make the majority of whatever composes something into the complete 100% makeup?
If you take a 50/50 mixture of coffee and milk, and Junko purifies it, will it turn into coffee or milk?

>>16802018
>>16802023
>>16802621
There are other very minor dragons in the series besides Ryujin.

>>16802012
>There's also the unanswered question of how Eirin and the other celestial gods lived in the times before humans
You can't look at Touhou for that. The Kojiki just assumes their existence, so it's just considered true regardless of how nonsensical it seems.

>>16802643
If you take an 50% black and 50% white person, would I turn into a nigger or a white person?
Asking for a friend.

>>16799274
>but from what I've seen the canon seems to contradict itself
This is one thing in the moon saga that isn't contradictory.

>>16799291
No, she left of her own accord by leaving the moon under the guise of bringing Kaguya back once her exile was over, but instead escaping with her.

If I bone Yamame will I get any venereal diseases?

>>16803067
all of them

>>16802621
>He's the top dog in all the worlds.
How can he be the top god if he can't even kill someone that made an immortality elixir?

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>>16803067
Only if you do it against her will, or she really, really doesn't like you. Yamame is a good girl.

>Her power makes everyone she meets hate her. However, she herself wouldn't inflict disease on someone without reason. She's a bright, fun-loving youkai if you get to know her, so she's popular among the youkai that live underground.

Quoting her profile.

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>>16802018
There have been multiple dragons in Touhou. The only humanoid ones were the Watatsukis though.

Why are fairies so sexual?

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What do they eat?

>>16805241
Japanese food.

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Would ZUN give this series a penultimate end, or should he keep everything stays the same and happily ever after? Felt like everything is coming to a close in a next few years, with the top dogs of each factions seemed to have shown herself one way or the other and their motives becoming clearer.
How would you end Touhou Project. /jp/?

>>16805433
I really doubt ZUN will go the "galactic war" route with the Lunarians, Hell, Gensokyo, maybe even Heaven all involved.
But since the Lunarians are getting more and more attention, the end is ultimately probably going to involve them. Either they completely destroy Gensokyo, or they are defeated and the Moon colonized.

>>16805433
I wouldn't expect (or want) a conclusion to the series overall. Individual characters' stories, on the other hand, probably. I'll be pretty upset if Scrollery and Hermit don't get real endings, and pretty soon we'll have to see Akyuu go, so with any luck her death will be somewhat significant.

As for larger events, things with the Moon, Hell, and/or the outside world may come to a head in some large-scale incident, but even then I wouldn't expect it to be anything world-ending. That just doesn't seem to fit with the tone of the series so far.

>>16806061
I'm really interested to see how Akyuu's story pans out. Sure, she doesn't have much left to live, but she's actively looking for ways to extend her lifespan. We may get to see her grow desperate and try more and more drastic measures to buy more time.

>>16806107
>she's actively looking for ways to extend her lifespan
Wait, where was that mentioned? It seems like the kind of thing that would have stood out and been memorable, especially because it seems rather out of character for her. I mean, there were nine Children before her who (presumably) lived, did their duty, and died without fuss, and now suddenly she's the one combo breaker who's going to go insane trying to deny her fate and live longer than she's supposed to?

>>16805101
>Watatsukis
>Dragons
Naw

>>16806149
Maybe its from the newest book? Im on the same boat as you do, as I remember she is searching, but not that desperate like the other anons are making her out to be.

>>16806061
I hope something happens in the manga for a change whose effects could pan out in future games. I hope we dont get blue balled again.
>That just doesn't seem to fit with the tone of the series so far.
As much as I want to obect, this is sadly true. I've been consuming too much fan material to sometimes dilute it with the original. Im ust been on grimsokyo mood lately.

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>>16806417
An Azuma a day keeps the Grimsoukyou away!

>>16806149
>now suddenly she's the one combo breaker who's going to go insane trying to deny her fate and live longer than she's supposed to?
Not really, what I meant is she's doing research on the topic. Sorry if my post sounded like she was being desperate right now at the moment, because she's not. But in one chapter of FS she does mention she's looking into various methods rumored to be able to extend someone's lifespan.

>>16802033
By that logic, you can assume that their soul goes through some sort of transformation when they drink the elixir, right? If you could study that, you could figure out how it works. If you know how it works, it's possible you could find a way to undo it.

I'm not saying it's definite, but it's possible. Even magic has to be governed by some laws.

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>>16806149
FS 26. She's trying, that's all.

>>16806221
They're the daughters of Ryujin in myth, so they may very well be in Touhou, too.

Before you say it doesn't count, ZUN kept their other familial relations including their marriages. So this may hold true, as well.

But they don't have any dragon characteristics, which I guess was the point of the conversation.

>>16800929
Shit's like Saudi Arabia up there. There's a fuckton of Princes and Princesses because of that most are so far down the chain that they have no power

You can go back in time and prevent kaguya from ever being born and she'll still come back; she's woven into the fabric of the universe thanks to the elixir.

Can someone upload all the chapters of the written works so far into one big compressed folder on Mega?

Such is my question.

>>16807317
Until I see some dragon parts or transformations, they are just moonites.

>>16807416
On wiki they're going volume by volume so you only need like six dls

If you cut a Hourai drinker in half, which half grows back?

So if I get this straight,
Hourai drinkers>Dragon god?
Because no matter what a Hourai drinker can't die...but a god will die if he got no believers.

>>16807520
>a god will die if he got no believers.

Dragon God =/= Your average Gensokyo god (i.e. Suwako). The Dragon God is more comparable to the God of Abrahamic religions.

>>16807520
>>16807539
Hecatia is the strongest being in Touhou, even stronger than the Dragon God.
It's laughable to compare anything in Touhou to a being who has so much influence in human society, that he is literally THE god now.

>>16807539
Bit of an exaggeration there, anon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryūjin

>>16807587
I'm going by the PMiSS definition
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Dragon

>The supreme god of Gensokyo.
>This god is worshipped by all living creatures, including humans and youkai.
>However, the dragon god is also Gensokyo's god of creation.

>>16807577
>Hecatia is the strongest being in Touhou, even stronger than the Dragon God.
Was this ever actually stated in canon works? All we know is that she's one of the strongest, but not THE strongest.

>>16798643
How much would Nitori charge me for washing my car?

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>>16807601
Who translated this page? It's clearly talking about dragons in general, not a singular entity. It's not even in the Characters section of PMiSS, it's in the Species section.

>>16807577
>even stronger than the Dragon God.

lol no. and she is a Titan.

>>16807624
>Was this ever actually stated in canon works? All we know is that she's one of the strongest, but not THE strongest.
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Legacy_of_Lunatic_Kingdom_interview_with_ZUN
>Since she's an enemy that doesn't play by the rules, you can't even call it a proper match. It's just playing around. She's completely past the level of anyone in Gensokyo or the Lunar Capital.
Keep in mind that the Dragon God's Palace is in the Lunar Capital
And not only this, someone clarified this in the archived Alternative Facts thread earlier
>>16790525

As of now, she is THE strongest.

>>16807840
How can she be the strongest when she can't even kill any of the Hourai immortals? No matter what she does she can't beat them, while they can kill her.

>>16807859
>when she can't even kill any of the Hourai immortals?
That's not a matter of strength. That's like saying Hecatia is not the strongest because her hair is not red enough.

All this talk about Lunarians and LoLK and shit has got me curious. I wonder what would happen if the heroines of LoLK(e.g. Reimu etc.)decided to sit back and do nothing? What kind of defenses, aside from moon rabbits, Yorihime and Toyohime do moonbitches have? Presumably the greatest damage instilled by any attack would be the impurity it wrought, but would they be able to repel the invaders by themselves, at least? How would the battle turn out?

>>16808014
Im more interested in whether we're going to see more Greek Gods or characters, like Selene the Greek moon Goddess.

>>16808527
I'd rather Zun just stick to Japanese stuff mostly. Could have other games that focus on the other areas of the world though.

I know I'll come off as ignorant, but can someone TL;DR the Touhou lore?

Also, why are the music cases part of the lore?

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>>16808534
Like what? Western Gensokyo featuring a Catholic nun and totally-not-a Marisa clone and instead of eastern mythology it focuses on a Cold War between the Abrahamic faiths while a bunch of dead gods try to stay relevant in the cross fire?

>>16808549
Anon, Gensokyo started out in 1885. If you want the FULL lore of the Touhou universe, even the TL;DR would be too long to read.
The music cases tell a story too.

>>16808549
Japanese mythological beings forgotten by the advances of the scientific world have retreated into a pocket dimension along with a number of humans whose job is to keep the faith. These beings (and mostly girls), thrive on the conflict that underpins their existence, but conflict is generally bad for people, so conflicts have been ritualized into "incidents" where they mess things up and (mostly) humans resolve these incidents through "spell card battle."

The games are about the incidents; the other work (music CD stories included) are about the non-incidents. I don't think it gets shorter than that.

>>16808549
Japanese folktale monsters and deities used to roam freely across the land. Then, after the world started modernizing, Yukari and some other powerful beings created the Great Hakurei Barrier to keep a little pocket dimension where youkai could still exist. They also have some humans in the village to supply faith and fear. And now it's a little fantasy land with some incidents now and then, which are solved peacefully through spell card battles.
The Lunarians are starting to get more involved in Gensokyo's affairs, though.

>>16808014
It would have been worse if the heroines did nothing about LoLK, because the Lunarians would have carried out their invasion plans and gone into Gensokyo to run from the fairies.

>>16808616
How can they kill Gensokyo which is full of fairies if they can't kill the fairies on the moon?

>>16808650
The moon-attacking fairies were purified by Junko, Gensokyo fairies aren't.

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>>16808574
Shit before that even. In the US it would be mainly Native American stuff, for example. SHAMANS SON.

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>>16808662
>purified

>>16808650
>>16808662
Additionally, the hell fairies invaded the moon, into a place that the Lunarians weren't actively guarding at that (the Sea of Tranquility). It's a lot different from the Lunarians enacting plans to devoid Gensokyo of life before they even move there.

>>16808598
This is a pretty great tl; dr anon, thank you.

>>16808663
which touhou would you scalp?

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Did ZUN ever say anything about Kokoro wearing pantyhose? Because her sprites make it look like she is wearing pantyhose yet no one ever draws her with it and even other official art shows her with bare legs? Is it actually just really weird shadow?

>>16798680
>Why isn't Mima coming back?
Because she's Mima.
>Why is raccoon hag getting all the attention?
Because she isn't Mima.
>Who is the meanest touhou?
Mima.

>>16807947
>That's not a matter of strength
Then what matters in strength? If Hecatia are unable to beat Hourai immortals no matter what how can she be considered the strongest? I what sense is she the strongest then?

Do I hate or like Reimu?
I can't decide and it doesn't help that her personality change so much.

>>16809594
>The world's best boxer is an inanimate diamond, because no boxer can KO a diamond by punching it

>>16809594
By that logic Mr Immortal is the strongest character in all of Marvel Comics since he basically has the same superpower as Horai people and no one can truly kill him for good.

Better watch out, Galactus.

>>16809594
Nobody can ever be strong enough to kill a true immortal, because whether you can kill them or not does not depend on how strong you are (let alone the fact that you CAN'T kill them regardless of if you're the strongest, the smartest, the tallest, the faggiest or the immortal-est).

The recent Memories of Phantasm ep got me thinking back on IN's story, and I realized that I couldn't recall one detail at all. I brushed up on the stories on the wiki, but I can't find any explanation for how Magic Team extended the night. Border Team has Yukari manipulating day and night like in the MoP episode, SD Team has Sakuya's time magic, and Netherworld Team's story briefly handwaves it as Yuyuko's doing without going into any detail, but it's not even mentioned with Magic Team besides the usual unchanging dialogue of Kaguya accusing the heroines of it during the final battle. It doesn't really seem like the type of feat either Marisa or Alice would know how to pull off, Marisa likes her magic flashy and effective at pummeling other people in fights, and Alice is devoted to puppetry magic which in turn is related to her research into the creation of artificial life. So what's the deal, is it just a hiccup of IN's story setup (and maybe a hint at a possible 'canon' story route) or what?

>>16810025
All final bosses are defeated by Reimu in all games canonically. Marisa and her canonicity is secondary to Reimu's.

>>16810118
>All final bosses are defeated by Reimu in all games canonically. Marisa and her canonicity is secondary to Reimu's.
But it's not? Why lie like that

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>>16799220
>>16799225
>>16799475

>>16802068
Please don't think someone shitposting on the jay represents the entire fandom.

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>>16807840
>ZUN: Maybe there's been a lot of that recently - returning to a small portion of something from long ago and expanding it.
>-: Like a Greek goddess suddenly showing up?
>ZUN: I guess Greece's economy entered the realm of fantasy.

Why haven't they brought back seihou project? I like the idea of having a futuristic, science-fiction type of Gensokyo.

>>16810025
Read the Eirin route. Alice pulls some elder Makai magic with her grimoire.
And I'd like to think Yuyuko's method was just Yukari doing her another favor.

>>16810744
You're a little off.
It's Eirin's line before fighting Raisin the Rabbit.
>It looks like the two of you are using a copy
of an ancient power.
>A chaotic power, from the time before humans were around.
>Those were the days.
>I wonder if special powers should be patentable.
>Well, before anything else--
>Udonge, I'll leave this to you.
>Whatever you do, do not let them take our princess.

>>16810025
Read the prologue

>[Alice] brought a few books along... Grimoires. Books that any human would find extremely rare and difficult to get ahold of. That person would never be able to refuse such an offer.

Alice and Marisa are the "Aria of Forbidden Magic Team" (禁呪の詠唱チーム)

>>16810273
nice

Where do Gensokyo's Western-style clothes come from? Japanese clothing is traditionally made with shit like hemp, linen or silk. Yet there are scarves and gloves and other such garments that are obviously made from wool or cotton, which we have never seen actually existing within the border. Is it magically produced? Does it enter from the outside world?

>>16810744
>>16810844
Eirin is talking about the use of magic itself, not specifically however they stopped the night. "A power from the time before humans" is rather just talking about powers used by the gods in that time, which I guess is supposed to be magic in general.

If Eirin knew the protagonists were stopping the night at that point, she'd have actually done something about it instead of escaping, since all she wanted at that point was for day to break.

>>16810885
Alice bringing grimoires to Marisa was her bargaining tool, specifically because humans wouldn't usually be able to obtain them.

Really, it isn't important as to how specifically anyone stopped the night. It's just something that they did, somehow. ZUN avoids talking about it entirely by intentionally making all references back to the details of the Eternal Night Incident incredibly sketchy and ambiguous. The protagonists don't want to be the ones labeled as those who stopped the night (which was what most people cared about) so they dance around the subject, but also all claim that they helped resolve the incident. By doing so we'll obviously never get any more details about it.

Actually, who the fuck cares if there isn't a explanation of how either Ghost or Magic teams stopped the night?
Neither of these routes are canon.
The canon route is BT's, and even if you wanna argue that the ST's route could be canon, it already has explanation anyways.

>>16811726
Its either the Human Village is actually a Human County but no incidents have ever take place in a farms, or it cames from the Youkais, who are more knowlegeable and can came in contact with those who wears it from the outside. If Gensokyo is sealed in late `19th century, mentions of western clothing and techniques could have carried over somewhat, and it still comes down altough in small amounts through things spirited away.

All of those who wears eccentric clothings are all important characters with supernaturall powers tho. The rest of the humans are no faced kimono wearing nips

>>16798764
>that last line
what did he mean by this?

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Where can I brush up on touhou lore?

why do people care about the retarded lore behind a shooting game

>>16813684
Why are you here?

>>16813687
to ask a question about touhou in the touhou questions thread

>>16813687
It's a valid question. Not every person gives a shit about lore in games.

>>16808014

In all likelyhood the amount of life on the moon would have reached the point where the moon as a whole became impure, making it unsuitable for lunarians with no immediate metod to remedy it.

I imagine if the lunarians had the means to remove Clownpiece and friends safely they would have, but putting a fairy down for any legnth of time at long range would be problematic (shooting them does nothing but kill them), rabbits are highly unlikely to be able to defeat Clowpiece and lunarians themselves would not what to get anywhere near them, much less try to capture her and throw her off the moon. Even if they did manage to relocate them to elsewhere there's not much stopping Hecatia from bringing them back to the moon.

The issue isn't really that lunarians don't have defences, it's that removing the threat by force is nigh impossible but they can't ignore it either. If Junko had decided to say "fuck you" to the protag and didn't leave there's not much that anyone could have done about it unless Junko's power is undone with her destruction.

How do I play super marisa land in english?
I cant find the translated version anywhere

>>16813695
So, if you don't give a shit about the lore of Touhou then why are you in the Touhou lore questions thread?

>>16805433
>penultimate end
That word doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

>How would you end Touhou Project. /jp/?
With my marriage to Marisa.

>>16807449
Neither, judging by Mokou lethal injuries result in a new body simply popping into existance. I would assume that the old body disintegrates.

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Why did ZUN make Rinnosuke and Sakuya so alike? Both in design and traits/background. I understand they have a distinct difference, but they seem really alike that you can genderswap them as each other.

>>16807577
Hecatia and the Dragon God are never compared. All we know is that Hecatia is above Eiki, which makes her a good candidate for strongest being seen so far.

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>>16814404
How is the person with the tackiest t-shirt in history possibly be the strongest? It freaking boggles my mind.

>>16810612
Seihou is not ZUN's work, as he only assisted with the creation of two of the games, and as such they are completely non-canon.

>>16813638
That they're practically immortal by age but not absolutely, so maybe in a gajillion years they'll eventually be dead.

>>16814402
Only thing the got in common is having short white hair(sometimes Sakuya is even shown with quite long hair) nothing else.

>>16814418
Yeah, that was the point. Usually when one thinks of a really strong enemy, they picture something really big and gaudy, like a Final Fantasy bonus boss. But then this flying fashion victim comes flying at ya.

>>16814418
It's not a stretch to say that it's because she's so tacky and out-there in character that she was allowed to be so powerful.

>>16814531
Shouldn't it be the other way around? That is to say, she's so powerful she can be as tacky as she wants, and no one can say otherwise.

That said, I prefer it this way. "Beware The Silly One" and all that.

>>16813695
It's not. "Why do people care" is a personal question that has zero relevance in a thread meant for the lore behind the games.

>>16813695
Then why are you posting in this thread?

There are multiple written works to supplement the setting and characters of Touhou, people like Gensokyo, it's inhabitants, and the many stories about them. And because ZUN leaves so many details out intentionally to inspire doujin works it's easy to talk and speculate about.

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Is PC-98 Yuuka canon?
If so, does the current Yuuka retain her PC-98 powers?

>>16814762
She can use power of gorilla.

>>16814762
Unless the Windows games canon clashes with the PC-98 one you can assume it real, so yeah unless proved otherwise.

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>>16814762
She retained the power of being cute!

CUTE!

>>16814762
I want Yuuka to turn me into a fine mist of atoms

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Is it pronounced sir-no or seer-no?

Why are Reimu and Marisa allowed to drink beer even though they're underages?

>>16815246
Chillno

>>16815309
Well, they're currently 20+ year olds so not like it matters now.

>>16815246
It's cheer-no.

>>16798643
Kaguya's power is manipulation of eternity, which she used to create the Hourai Elixer. She drank that and became truly immortal, because everyone else on the moon just doesn't age at all, but can die of other means just fine.

>>16799734
It's wierd because as one of the few 2hus with an actual weapon you'd think she would be first pick for a fighting game. I guess ZUN just really wanted Unzan playable (which is understandable) and didn't want to bloat the UFO cast's presence too much.

>>16801474
Yukari, then? She can wipe away your existence using bullshit powers of border manipulation. Something like the border between existence/inexistence.

>>16814668
That's faggy as shit lol. Imagine being a master Ikaruga fanfic writer and lore enthusiast, that's how dumb you sound

>>16805241
Peaches

>>16806061
Does Akyuu have a child? How is the Hieda family line going to continue after her? In fact how is the family going to survive in the future, with each generation getting younger and younger they'll have to die out, won't they?

>>16807666
If you have a better translation please provide it, all of the wiki translations have been very accurate and not misleading.

>>16808014
Seriously? They Lunarians would have colonized Gensokyo, as was the plan the whole time until the heroine encounters Sagume in the lunar capital.

>>16815541
The Child of Miare does not have to be born directly from her bloodline, it can be born to any of the branch families of her clan too. Presumably the duty of the Child is just to Chronicle until they die.

>>16810118
Sanae is the canon ending of UFO because hers is the only ending which results in Myouren Shrine being constructed, which is absolutely a landmark later in the canonicity.
So no, Reimu is not always the canon ending.
If anything, all the playable character are at least canonically involved in the story in some way, like Marisa becoming acquainted with Patchouli and commonly stealing books from the SDM library, despite Remilia's relationship with Reimu indicating that Stage 6, at least, was performed by Reimu canonically.

>>16814402
>traits/background
In what way? they have slightly similar hairstyle and nothing else.

>>16814762
ZUN stated that PC-98 is all canon unless something in the Windows-era contradicts it, in which case the Windows info is the canon one.
So yeah, everything about original Yuuka is still canon.

>>16815246
chi-ru-no
With enough of an accent that the 'u' in 'ru' is practically nonexistance.

Did Mokou's fire powers result from the elixer, or did she just have them before?

>>16815668
Her magical abilities seem to be unrelated to her immortal status, and are just something she learned to do over the years

>>16815782
Is that possible? I thought she was just a normal human before drinking the elixir.

>>16815869
I don't see why not. Marisa is a self-taught magician and Mokou's had thousands of years to learn magic.

>>16815881
Don't you need to have an affinity for magic, or something, to be able to use it? Well, not that I'm saying she wouldn't have had any affinity for it. Though it's supposedly pretty rare.

I'm not sure about that, though, I could be wrong. I think I read it in a fan VN, so I wouldn't take it too seriously.

>>16815947
I don't think there's anything that comfirms that. It just takes a lot of work and effort to learn magic.

>>16815947
Fun fact: Marisa actually has an affinity for water magic

Never stopped her

>>16815478
Maybe it was said to deflect the possibility of her being in HM, but incidentally her spear is just for show and she isn't good at martial arts. Her real weapon is the pagoda.

>>16815869
Everyone has spiritual energy, anon. Training it is no different from training a muscle. Mokou also doesn't have to worry about damaging her body, meaning she can push herself harder than a normal person even if she's not any physically stronger.

>>16815881
Mokou isn't doing "magic" though. Magic follows the scientific method. Mokou knows how to create fire, but it doesn't seem likely that she'd be able to explain the metaphysical processes behind what she's doing like Marisa can.

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>>16815428
>>16815656

>>16816538
https://en.touhouwiki.net/images/a/ab/Pronunciation_Cirno.ogg

>>16816378
That sounds presumptuous on your part, both in regards to Mokou's knowledge, and the nature of magic in Gensokyo. True, not all supernatural phenomenon is magic (the Faith based abilities of divine beings and youkai seem to be something else all together, and don't get me started on Sumireko's ESP), but there's no reason to assume that Mokou's fire isn't magic in origin, especially seeing as she doesn't seem to draw power from faith like youkai or gods.

>>16815614
>Sanae is the canon ending of UFO because hers is the only ending which results in Myouren Shrine being constructed,
Actually multiple endings at least allude to it. Not to mention all endings in a majority of the games are typically used to establish relevant canon information, regardless of if the route and its ending are actually the canon ones or not (which is to say, simply, that endings tend not to lie). And ZUN already confirmed Marisa B's ending was the canon one in UFO, which makes sense as it leads directly into Extra.

>>16815614
Reimu also has ending with Myouren Temple being constructed.
In fact that is primary ending and Sanae one is secondary.
As I said, all final stage bosses are defeated only by Reimu canonically and others only defeat lesser bosses.

>>16816596
>As I said, all final stage bosses are defeated only by Reimu canonically and others only defeat lesser bosses.
Please at least cite source if you're going to sperg bullshit like that.

>>16816686
Reimu is the MC.

>>16816538
learn japanese you gaijin

>>16816571
Oh I only remember other endings talking about Byakuren's crew flying around aimlessly, so we know at least some of the endings are non-canon.

What is Touaoii?

>>16816596
Except for LoLK, where Reisen defeats Junko.

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Are botes honorary touhous?

>>16814341
>>16814624
>>16814668
I was only answering the other Anon's question.
I hope that your answers satisfied the Anon that actually asked the question though.

>>16817275
No, never.
Gas the boats, weeb war now.

>>16817275
That's not how it works.

>>16817275
Kiso is an honorary boat.

>>16817051
Nope, most of those endings mention that they plan on building a Temple.
Only bad endings and contradicting endings (most DDC and IaMP endings) should truly be treated as completely non canon anyway.

>>16817275
Boats could be classified as tsukumogami I guess.

>>16814567
>Shouldn't it be the other way around? That is to say, she's so powerful she can be as tacky as she wants, and no one can say otherwise.
No, I mean she was written to be that way in order to justify her power. It would feel out of place to have such an incredibly powerful character pop out of nowhere and also be some sort of new mastermind, which Heca is not.

>>16815497
Character abilities aren't your plaything, anon.

>>16815652
Yuuka's existence is contradictory to her PC-98 self though, in the sense that her character setting was wiped clean and all that transferred over was some of the personality. People take this single statement way too literally just to cling onto particulars that never have and never will be mentioned in the modern setting.

>>16817557
>her character setting was wiped clean
Explain yourself.

>>16817564
- has nothing to do with dreams anymore
- had nothing to do with flowers before, it is now her core theme
- no spark, clones, orb transform, etc
- isn't known to have a mansion, there is no fantasy world, no lake of blood
- (elly never seen or mentioned again)

What has been shown or used again, or even alluded to? Her design, and general demeanor (albeit adapted to fit his improved writing). And the fact that she has a parasol.

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From which year of the outside world came Sanae actually to Gensokyo?
Approximately 2007 or ~2035, like in the same time as Maribel and Renko?

>>16817874
2007? I'm not sure why you'd think otherwise. Sanae has knowledge of technology of the time, but is already out of touch once Sumireko enters.

I don't know where your 2035 number comes from either; that seems like way too soon of an estimate for Hifuu.

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How long until Sanae becomes a full fledged goddess herself?
From what I get is that she already shown her miracle ability in the outside world, but not too exposed and more like a local rural celebrity and all that, before moving to Gensokyo to save Suwako, right?

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>>16818072
Given her soku ending and treatment in the manga It's probably a voluntary thing at this point. It's not like she lacks the ability or willingness to do so, but with the current state of affairs has other things to do, and her role as an active agent is more valuable to the shrine than doing all the stuff that godhood entails.

A shoddy ascension is going to undercut Kanako/Suwako and not last for long. Presumably the ropeway factors into this, as it would greatly increase foot traffic -> faith. Once Kanako feels their position is stable enough she could give the go ahead. With all the religious fighting that had been ongoing it likely was put on hold for a bit.

>>16798687
Sauce of comic?

>>16817631
>has nothing to do with dreams anymore
Her only relation to dreams in PC98 was living in the dream world once, but she can clearly leave the place, as seen in MS.
>had nothing to do with flowers before, it is now her core theme
Her shot in MS was flower shot, and she uses flower bullets in the second Seihou game.
>What has been shown or used again, or even alluded to?
Many of her patterns in PoFV are actually very reminiscent of her patterns in LLS.

>>16817631
There's a Lake of Blood. It's just that...

In the PC-98 games the lake is on a mountain behind the Hakurei Shrine, which is tended by a purple-haired girl called Hakurei Raymoo and exists in a feudal "eastern land" where no other humans live. Underneath the lake is a portal to "a gensokyo" ruled by a youkai of dreams and reality, a long-haired woman who dwells in the boundary between worlds, and is super-powerful but spends most of her time sleeping (to the point where it takes another stage for her to wake up): Yuuka.

In EoSD, the Hakurei Shrine has no mountains behind it due to being in a hidden realm named Gensokyo, and is tended by a brown-black-haired girl called Hakurei Reimu. It still doesn't have any meaningful human population, but there's a settlement just outside Gensokyo and the barrier doesn't stop things from passing through it, so Reimu is worried that the humans there will see Remilia's scarlet mist.

Then this was retconned again in PCB, where ZUN introduced a youkai of dreams and reality, a long-haired woman who dwells in the boundary between worlds, and is super-powerful but spends most of her time sleeping (to the point where it takes another stage for her to wake up): Yukari Yakumo. Yukari came about partly to set up a partner for Reimu in IN, and partly as a vehicle for worldbuilding. The PC-98 games had very little continuity or coherency, but through Yukari he began establishing rules about the setting, including how Gensokyo exists in the modern day but is sealed off from the world, and has a small city's worth of humans living there.

Later in PoFV he brought in a character named Yuuka Kazami, who had Yuuka's personality and a similar design (minus the long hair) but a completely different place in the world (being a flower youkai who lived in a random field).

Still later, the Lake of Blood showed up again. In Former Hell, where it has no association with either of the characters that Yuuka was split into (and they're not even allowed to go there). Recently it was mentioned that the original inhabitants of Hell put it there in case they got thirsty.

>>16821100
I'm going to need you to back up any of that, aside from the obvious like Yuuka sleeping a lot. I can't find any reference to the dream world being refered to as gensokyo, while I did find reference to a "human village" all the way back in HRtP.

>>16798712

She can teleport her to whatever afterlife she technically deserves, I suppose. That counts doesn't it?

>>16821600
Can Shiki even teleport a Hourai drinker to an afterlife, though? They can't physically enter Hakugyokurou or Hell. Does a teleport bypass that?

>>16821630
>They can't physically enter Hakugyokurou or Hell
Source please

>>16808574
You got the various fairy kingdoms and their queens.
Would explain the hob goblins Yukari found.

Fairy Queen Mab of Elphame of the Seelie and Unseelie Courts
The Fairy Queen Titania
Queen Joan of the Pixies
Nicnevin sometimes thought to be Hecate
Morgan le Fay of Avalon

The various fairy kingdoms
Álfheimr
Tír na nÓg
Avalon
Mag Mell
Emain Ablach

There is also other mystical places like Fortunate Isles, Buyan, Kitezh, Atlantis, Ys, El Dorado, Shambhala, Shinsi, Seven Cities of Gold, Agartha, Cloud cuckoo land, Mahoroba, Valhalla, Arcadia, Asphodel Meadows, Agartha, Cockaigne, Elysium, Mu and Scholomance to name a few.

Could have a Greek gods priestess or Norse shieldmaiden.
Sprinkle various druids, mages, wizards, witches, sorcerers and warlocks for taste

I can't tell which song this is based off of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XhRIpSopTU

>>16799220
Better question is, how do you properly pronounce Tewi in English without sounding like a retard

>>16821825
Just pronounce it how it's pronounced in Japanese, what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>16821830
Because no one knows hat I'm taking about if I call her "Tei"

>>16802643
I'd assume she would get to choose.

>>16821832
If they know Touhou, yes they will. If they don't, they won't know what you're talking about no matter how you pronounce it.

>>16818987
>Her only relation to dreams in PC98 was living in the dream world once, but she can clearly leave the place, as seen in MS.
That doesn't matter. You're missing the point that it's never even alluded to ever again. It isn't included in the setting after LLS, for the simple reason that ZUN just made up what he wanted for the one game, for fun. The fact that Yuuka has a significant deal of modern content while never referring to any of this stuff again is important.
>Her shot in MS was flower shot
Whether a single word in the manual was inspiration or not for her redesign, or if he wanted to go in that direction anyways, doesn't change that it wasn't an important part of the setting. There's just as much relevance to the setting as there is with her holding a wand in her bomb portrait.
>second Seihou game
By the time Kioh Gyoku happened (late 2001) he probably already had a better idea of what to do with the character even while ignoring her shot type, so I'm not talking about Seihou. It's much closer to EoSD mentality than PC-98.
>patterns
Just like essentially every other small nod to PC-98, they're just that. It's cute that ZUN used the straight-then-rotate pattern again, just like how it's cute that Byakuren uses Shinki's pattern. It doesn't mean anything besides being a nod.

>>16821588
They're obviously semi-joking and are just talking about how ZUN has evolved the series over time.

>>16821630
>They can't physically enter Hakugyokurou or Hell
Jesus fuck anon I'm sure I had this conversation just like two weeks ago, this is super wrong.

>>16821901
I think you're getting too hung up on how Yuuka was originally found in the dream world, when in the very next game her origins are hardly discussed at all, and like in the modern era what is treated as being important is her status as an ancient and powerful youkai.
Besides, even some of her patterns in LLS had a sort of flower like anesthetic to them. It wouldn't shock me if that was something that ZUN had in mind while designing the character. I mean, it's not like we had character profiles to flesh bosses out, as such all we even have to go off of for LLS Yuuka is her pre-fight dialogue, which doesn't lend itself very well to establishing such things as having a flower theme. I mean ZUN could have done it if he really wanted to, but I think he wanted to focus on establishing Yuuka as a legitimate threat first, and explain her motives.

>>16802955
you'd turn into another flavor of shitskin

>>16817084
reedit meme from that reedit picture

>>16821876
or you can say "that bitch with rabbit ears"

What would happen if there was a canon lesbian touhou?

>>16822647
If the other characters don't like her, /u/fags will cry prosecution.
If the other characters are fine with it, /u/fags will dump their headcanons.

Why does Sakuya use knives in her attacks when she can just use space manipulation to delete matter or teleport?

>>16822990
>when she can just use space manipulation to delete matter
She never shows that capability
>teleport
Not an offensive power, especially after the implication that she struggles to move people around during stopped time.

And the answer is danmaku rules.

>>16822990
She can't just delete matter, at least nothing indicates this.
But she should be able to age her opponent instantly killing them(or most of them), but there's no reason to do this because they're playing by the spellcard rules.

>>16823370
We've only seen her age inanimate objects, and since her magic follows arbitrary rules in other regards, it's not unfair to assume that she can't do that to a moving target.

>>16821588
>I have looked through the game "Touhou Gensokyo ~ Lotus Land Story" and can't find the term gensokyo anywhere

>>16823393
well she can just stop time(or move really fast with no mass) and it would be like age an inanimate object for her. But yeah her powers are too vague to really hold a discussion.

>>16821630
>>16821650
In one of the endings of IN, Eirin goes to the Netherworld and Yuyuko tries to kill her by sneaking poison into her tea. Eirin notices the poison, and tells Yuyuko that she drank the Hourai Elixir so it wouldn't have worked anyway.

In the first translation patch for IN, this was mistranslated as Eirin telling Yuyuko that people who drank the Hourai Elixir can't enter the Netherworld.

>>16823457
How is a mistranslation a source?

>>16798881
So they're like Arc?

Why isn't there a Touhou girl based on the Yokai who has a giant eyeball in it's butthole?

>>16815652
So...do the characters from PC-98 still get treated as canon?

>>16821815
I can hear Broken Moon in it, at least. There are either more that I can't identify, or some original elements.

When's the next M1 grand prix.

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If any team freeze the night during IN, then why the timer still runs?
Was 5:00 just a self imposed limit?

>>16823960
Kaguya forces it forward

Yes its more of a self-imposed limit. In bad endings the teams usually just go to bed and try again later

Can anybody explain fucking Junko and Chang'e's backstory to me? From what I understand a dude named Hou Yi shot down 9 suns, and Junko was his wife, but someone her son was killed, and now she wants to kill Chang'e who is also Hou Yi's wife? I guess Hou Yi is dead or out of the picture somehow.

>>16821938
Again, take a step back here; the context is that somebody asked "if PC-98 Yuuka is canon" and "retains her old powers", followed by a claim that it's canon unless something later contradicts it (which is also a misquote). "The recent works take precedence" is how ZUN furthers his writing. He doesn't go back and outright say X isn't true anymore, he writes over it and/or simply abandons it forever, leaving the new stuff to wash it over naturally.

What are "her old powers"? Are they the spark, cloning, etc? Because these haven't even been hinted at again. And what does it mean for "PC-98 Yuuka" to be canon if not just the list of things that only showed up in PC-98? You say I'm getting hung up, but it's the opposite. This isn't a contest where we find as many little scraps that are referenced in the modern setting; those aren't important elements, it isn't the focus. I say Yuuka's character setting was wiped clean exactly because so many of the elements people would say relate to "PC-98 Yuuka" are not talked about anymore, while elements that modern Yuuka shares with PC-98 Yuuka are those basic things like design, aesthetic, and personality that just makes up "Yuuka" herself.

He only brought over what he brought over; nothing points to the effect that any of the rest surrounding PC-98 Yuuka's existence is part of the modern setting, while instead adding new information on top. It would be one thing if the few things established in the PC-98 setting were talked about just as concretely and evidently as the fact that Yuuka herself exists, but they don't. They're avoided. Rather throwing around phrases like "he never said they don't exist", people should ask themselves why they even need to resort to that kind of argument to begin with.

>>16823393
Or you could do the sensible thing and not assume powers that haven't been shown.

>>16823481
They just explained exactly why it was a misconception, and that "can't physically enter Netherworld" is simply wrong. Can't tell if joke reply or daft.

>>16826202
It's kind of complex and I don't fully grasp it either, but as I understand it,
-Junko married Houyi and had a child with him
-Houyi cheated on Junko with Chang'e, a lunarian princess and leader of all moon rabbits, and abandoned the former
-At some point later on, Houyi decided to shoot down nine of the ten then-existing suns (shit was hot, apparently)
-One of them fell on Junko's child, creating the fury that would envelop her
-Junko did suceed in killing Houyi, but being nothing than pure anger now, decided to switch targets to Chang'e to keep herself going
-Meanwhile, Chang'e is imprisoned in her own kingdom due to having drank the Hourai Elixir
-It's never explained how, but at some point Junko meets with Hecatia, who decides to help her on her quest since Houyi shot down some suns that Hell needed (though I'm pretty sure it's said somewhere that she just says that, and the true reason is that Hecatia just wanted to help her new friend)
-And that's most likely how she's even on the Moon to begin with

Is it ever establish what kind of Youkai, Meiling is?

I'm not asking for exact, but maybe a close comparison in power of abilities?

Otherwise, she seems like a normal human and it doesn't help that a human within the Manson can kick her ass.

>>16827270
She's just a generic youkai, like Yukari or Yuuka.

>>16827285
Yukari can manipulate boundaries, and Yuuka if I remember correctly, can manipulate flower and was able to learn magic.

All Meiling can do is... guard gates? It just seems that all Youkai can do something, while Meiling is kinda useless.

>>16827317
Meiling can manipulate chi or something.

>>16816596
source?

>>16827354
But can't ever Martial Artist manipulate Chi?

I really like Meiling, her design and personality is really enjoyable and it allows for unique or more importantly funny, interactions with the rest of the cast.

It just feels like she should just been a human character like Sakuya, because she basically has no powers to speak of, and her being a Youkai doesn't really add much.

>>16827317
Half of her IAMP/Soku comedy was the fact that she's a physically orientated and trained youkai in a world where that means almost nothing at all.

If spellcard dueling was passe she would be much more impressive.

>>16827361
Reimu is the main character.

>>16827403
I agree, she's bland as far as powers go, but if they made her human like Sakuya it would have invalidated how special Sakuya is for being a human at the SDM, which is probably why Meiling was made a generic-type Youkai.
And we don't really have other martial artists to compare to her, so we don't know if chi manipulation can be learned, or if it really is an innate talent. The closest we have is probably, I don't know, Byakuren? And of course her martial arts power is derrived from magically enhancing her body.

>>16827236
>Chang'e is imprisoned in her own kingdom due to having drank the Hourai Elixir

Wait wait wait, I'm not that dude and I was already aware of the whole Chang'e story, but I don't recall anything about her drinking the Hourai Elixir. Where did you get that from?

>>16827403
>her being a Youkai doesn't really add much.

Being a Youkai basically means she has super strength and can't be physically killed, which are MAJOR bonus for an already incredible martial artist. Like >>16827406 said though, the point/joke of Meiling is that she exists in a setting where being super physically powerful is near pointless.

>>16829057
I'm the original dude who asked and Chang'e was the original drinker of the Hourai Elixer, I believe before Eiren made the batch which she, Kaguya, and Mokou drank. Drinking the elixer is why she's imprisoned on the moon, and why her rabbits pound mochi all day; to attempt to recreate the elixer.

>>16829070
I guess, it that makes sense. The only other question about Meiling is, how strong is she compared to the Oni's of the series?

The Oni's are extremely physically powerful Youkai, and can mostly get by with just their sheer strength. Could Meiling fight or hold them off? Or she also too weak for them?

>>16829829
Well, that's up to your imagination man. The oni are definitely physically stronger, since they're basically the Youkai of physical strength and power, but Meiling has martial arts and everyone knows a weaker dude can beat a stronger dude with the right technique. Since we've never seen the onis or Meiling (or anyone for that matter) actually fight seriously though, there's no way to accurately judge how much of an advantage in skill Meiling has.

In danmaku eh who cares, anyone can beat anyone in that.

>>16829829
>Could Meiling fight or hold them off? Or she also too weak for them?
Probably not, unless the oni was just goofing around.

Remilia is the kind of person to hire tons of maids who don't do anything, just so that she can brag about having tons of maids. It sounds cruel, but Meiling probably just caught her eye because she was exotic.

>>16827236
>Houyi shot down nine suns, one fell down on Junko's child.
I vaguely remember Yatagarasu's story being something like that:
There were ten three-legged heavenly crows, which used to eat some tree's branch of immortality or something like that, down here on Earth. Sometimes they would all come at the same time so Earth would get too hot.
So Houyi shot down nine of the ten three-legged crows. The one that survived was Yatagarasu.

>>16829829
MeiLing is able to keep up with an oni, but it's more speed vs strength.

>>16829941
Yatagarasu didn't survive, the sun that survived is supposed to be the one that's floating in the sky right now, i mean, there's a reason Okuu was able to gain Yatagarasu's powers despite the story never mentioning Yatagarasu's thoughts on the manner.

>>16829962
Okuu is portable shrine for Yatagarasu.

>>16827403
Meiling is filler, like Elly before her. She's just a youkai working for a youkai.

>>16829829
Canonically speaking, Meiling has no feats that would put her near Oni. It is a fan work, but the scene from burning Meiling where Meiling is whaling on Yuugi, while Yuugi just stands there smiling, is probably an accurate representation of what would happen.

>>16802068

>it renders the soul truly immortal, beyond the limits of a physical body.

I doubt such a soul could resist being crushed and destroyed by too many years of internet browsing and generally living in degenerate Caliph Merkal Yuropistan.

>>16802955

You will either become Hitler or the King of niggers and pimp-slaps. It's a 50/50 .

>>16804692

>she's popular among the youkai that live underground.

Spider-girl confirmed CRABS-girl.

>>16829975
I think it was specifically said Yatagarasu was a dead god which Kanako found and gave to Okuu.

>>16808663

I want a Smoking-Mirror goddess with a mean onee-chan personnality now. THANKS !

>>16829057
>Wait wait wait, I'm not that dude and I was already aware of the whole Chang'e story, but I don't recall anything about her drinking the Hourai Elixir. Where did you get that from?
It's literally the origin story of the elixir. Chang'e was introduced specifically as the figure who drank the elixir in the context of the various stories about it.

>>16829941
The yatagarasu involved in this story does not refer to the same god Yatagarasu, which is probably why the term "Yatagarasu" isn't used in the context of Junko's story. The yatagarasu is just a common thematic element representing the sun in all kinds of stories.

>>16829962
>>16829975
>>16830336
Not really, middle response is correct. Yatagarasu isn't dead, Utsuho was made a living shrine by Yatagarasu leaving a copy of itself within her. It still exists besides that.

In Bohemian Archive of Japanese Red, Suika literally destroyes the moon and then reforms it in a bored, drunken stupor.

Has there ever been a statement from the Lunarians on this matter? Seems like they wouldn't take too kindly to such an act.

>>16830920
She didn't destroy the actual moon, just the reflection of it in the sky. Nobody cares about a reflection getting punched.

Mima will be back in the final touhou game.

I can feel it in my bones.

>>16835085
>final touhou game
Is it even possible to use those words in a sentence together in that order?

>>16827764
Marisa is also a main character. So what?

>>16840572
Reimu is THE main character.
Her ending is given preference to any other alternate ending.