Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1792

I took Japanese for 2 years, but was a pretty poor student. My grammar and conventions are pretty good, but I really fell behind the class in vocabulary.

I'm moving to Japan in a few months, and my only problem with holding a conversation is that I don't know vocabulary. What should I do to learn just vocab, nothing else? Should I just start core 2k/6k and then a mining deck, or are there any other things I should know?

>>16682669
If your grammar is "good", then I advise you to just read as much content as you can while looking up vocab. You can supplement this with a mining deck, but I'd say skip core.

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Lads, I can't learn Japanese

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がんばれおにいちゃん

>>16682678
That's a pretty old image you got there. Where's the bottom one from anyway.

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>>16682679

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>>16682689
Rakuen no Shugosha, wherein a small unit of United Nations soldiers sneak through the ruins of a dead city for the purpose of killing the 'most powerful human in existence'.

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>>16682678

>>16682701
Oh. I remember you talking about it back then. Wasn't as old as I thought

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>>16682702

おにいちゃん

なっとうたべよ

おいしいよ

>>16682675
Should my mining deck have me learning kanji for the words, or do I just enter it in kana?

>>16682732
If you don't memorise it with the kanji how the fuck are you going to read it?

How do I unlearn Japanese?

>>16682767
Watch manga.

>>16682767
Take all of the kanji you have learned and distribute them to the homeless.

がいじんさんが

カップラーメンに

マヨネーズいれるって

ほんとうですか？

>>16682762
In conversations I guess..?

You make a good point.

>「もう。寝癖ついてるんだから僕にかまってなければいいのに」
Context is girl is taking time to brush her bed hair and they're getting late to school. Not sure what this line is saying though..

>>16682732
Not everything has furigana though

「う……くっ、に、兄さんが子供を作るだなんて言うから、いけないん、ですよ……っ」

Best Rikaisama substitute for Chrome?

>>16682919
rikaikun

>>16682635
Hello /djt/.
How many of you have N1 JLPT?

>>16682964
There's tens of us!

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>>16682964
I'm self-assessed N1.

>>16682964
I do.

だまれデブがいじん

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>>16683031

>>16682919
firefox

>>16682969
>>16682991
How do you keep learning nips? I have N2 for 3 years now but got bored from learning more.

>>16683080
Compelling content.
Not compelling language.
Compelling *content*.

>>16683080
By using it? If you don't like Japanese media in the first place why learn it.

スモック好きは

だいたいロリコン

Did you know that the tools used for translation, they can rip the scripts of VNs in a format that makes it easy to search them for example sentences for words that you mined elsewhere?

That is, so that you can get voiced sentences from the VN instead of an unvoiced sentence from whatever you're reading. Or so that you can look up the filename of the voice file for the line you just actually mined the word from.

him_000001
> 姫百合: 「そこの君」
him_000002
> 姫百合: 「こんなところで何をしてる？」
him_000003
> 姫百合: 「夏本律くん」
him_000004
> 姫百合: 「ちょっと動かないで貰えるかな？」
him_000005
> 姫百合: 「失礼するよ」
him_000006
> 姫百合: 「顎を上げて、肩の力を抜いてリラックス」
him_000007
> 姫百合: 「首、締めすぎ？　息が荒いけど」
him_000008
> 姫百合: 「きつかったら言って」
him_000009
> 姫百合: 「夏本くん」

>>16683099
Cute but pointless. Effort spent better in reading more.

>>16683086
What kind of content?
>>16683090
First it was just for understanding what is my waifu talking about. Recently I got a translating-related job but it doesn't require pass N2.

>>16683103
Writing that post took less than five minutes, what's your problem?

>>16683120
>What kind of content?
Anything. Literally anything. Doesn't matter what. It just has to be compelling.

>>16683120
>Recently I got a translating-related job but it doesn't require pass N2.

You should leave, why be stuck in a shit-tier job like that?

My first language is german and I can't find any japanese study material online. Should I try with English material even though my English is flawed?
Any advice from non-english lingos?

>>16683130
What's so shitty about translating jobs?

>>16683162
Clearly you can't be doing anything meaningful or interesting if they only ask for N2.

>>16683099
Thanks, I can basically delete my entire mining setup thanks to this.
>>16683103
Fuck off and don't come back.

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>Should (you) check this over once more?
>Sure, I'm used to it.

Why is the answer here #2?

In what contexts are the kanji names for western countries used? 米国, 英国, 西国, 富国, 独国, 露国 etc. China is (nearly?) always called 中国, and Japan is obviously always called 日本(国), but what about western countries?

>>16683627
I usually see those as abbreviations when talking about international relations, as in 日露 etc.

>>16683152
English is fine

>>16683627
Ack, 仏国, not 富国.

>>16682678
>tfw can read the second one easily

I did it lads, I learned Japanese.

>>16683741
Who are you quoting?

くにめいはね

News paper用語ようごがあって

できるだけ短くすることになってるので

「国」はつけないよ

日＝Japan
露＝Russian Federation
中＝People's Republic of China

>>16682678
>>16683741
Not to rain on your parade, but I believe the second picture is a bait for those forever stuck in said intermediate phase. It's actually pretty easy and only seems difficult even juxtaposed with that top one sentence image.

Or is the bottom one really what counts as hard in DJT?

>>16683754
Yeah, I think that was the joke.
I hope he was joking, at least.

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>>16683741
It's all jouyou kanji with short, slangless formal sentences.
Try this, captain.

>>16683763
Someone about secretly distributing porn to earn some money? Yeah, that's way harder though.

>>16683763
I can read and understand this fine, but I'd have a hard time translating it to English. Well, I guess that's what I get for not being a native English speaker. I can't quickly think up anything that would nicely fit for 微々たる代物 when speaking about a money being made.

Mareni's works also have harder passages that this.

>>16683763
>>16683802
btw what VN is this?

>>16683852
https://vndb.org/v10678

How could I translate "I made my order last week, my card has been charged already, but the item still hasn't shipped"?
I only don't know what should I use for "my card has been charged"

>>16683810
"Pittance" would be good for that. I don't really get what アージェント means in this context though so I can't attempt a sentence translation.

>>16683925
If you understood the rest of the sentence there is no way you can mistake its meaning.

>>16683898
カード決済は完了済み

>>16683925
Yeah, "mere pittance" sounds like it could work. I guess if I were a native, I could come up with that too.

Btw you got pretty BTFO'd by >>16684039
The context makes it really clear it's a name.

>強引に入れようとして押し込もうとしたとき、棚から書類が雪崩れ落ちてきた。
>強引に入れようとして押し込もうとしたとき
The double volitional + として/とした throw me a bit off here. "When I began to put it in by force and the moment I tried to push" ? Can someone explain this or maybe put it more eloquently in English

>>16684413
The volitional ending here isn't acting volitional, rather it's inviting a possible idea.

>>16684413
as I tried to cram it in in an attempt to forcefully insert it

>>16684445
>rather it's inviting a possible idea.
How do you mean?

>>16684445
Uh I don't really get what this means.. also this is clearly in the past with the てきた, so how is it a "possible idea" when it definitely happens
>>16684459
I guess this makes sense. Think of the として as the "as" and the other one as the normal volitional attempt. Thanks

>>16684482
>Think of the として as the "as" and the other one as the normal volitional attempt.
No, bro. They're both "the normal volitional attempt"

>>16684476
When I went to maybe force it in, maybe forcefully
The volitional ending is volitional when someone is making a statement about their own volition. Otherwise it's an invitation to do or believe something. See also だろう etc.

>>16684482
>Think of the として as the "as" and the other one as the normal volitional attempt.
That's not how I did it. You asked for a more eloquent way to put it in English so I flipped the sentence around to make it more English-like.

The "as" is the とき, if you want to think of it that way. "At the time of."

>押し込もうとしたとき
As I tried to cram it in
>強引に入れようとして
in an attempt to forcefully insert it

>>16684502
What I don't get is why
>入れようとして
is
>attempt to insert it
While the other volitional is "tried to". Maybe I need it more literally to understand it..

>>16684518
You don't understand the difference between attempting and trying?

The difference is I didn't want to use the same word twice.

>>16684518
There's no "attempt to" or "try" there, anon doesn't know japanese well enough to elaborate on the specific thing you're confused about. He didn't express it "eloquently in english", he expressed his interpretation of the sentence in english, which is basically on par with your level of comprehension of it in the first place.

You'll do best to drop the notion that the "volitional" form always specifically means volition, because it doesn't. That notion is going to throw you off in situations like these where it's obviously not used the same say as "行こう。" etc, which are not at all uncommon, like this one.

>>16684525
So how would you translate it?

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>>16683754
>post any Japanese and reference it as being difficult
>people flock, every time, to call it easy
Like clockwork, DJT. Like clockwork.

>>16684525
>to elaborate on the specific thing you're confused about
Well do you? I don't really know how else to think of the volitional form, so please explain and offer an alternative to give me deeper understanding of it

>>16684537
I doubt he would at all, since he only seems interested in making sure everyone knows he understands things more deeply than they do.

>>16684537
When I was going to cram it in, about to try to force it in,

>>16684542
Do you want a linguistics lesson?

Ok so no one knows the answer and everyone just likes to pretend they know without giving it out. Amazing.

>>16684559
Are you the person who asked the original question?

>>16684559
What's your question babe, I'll answer it

>>16684413
You're trying too hard to think of japanese in terms of literal equivalences to english.

Stop that. Or you won't actually learn japanese, no matter how hard you try.

>>16684548
Eh. Yea, I agree. Don't really think that differs that much from the other anon's translation, though.
>>16684559
I'm pretty sure everyone knows the answer in fact. The disagreement is over the translation.

>>16684559
I would invite anyone to point out specific discrepancies in this translation >>16684502

Both the 入れようとして and 押し込もうとする are "try to, attempt," but one of them is put into the て form because it's leading into the next thought. It's an awkward phrase to try to translate into English because we wouldn't normally formulate thoughts that way.

>>16684567
>Eh. Yea, I agree. Don't really think that differs that much from the other anon's translation, though.
I was picking on their explanation of their translation, not really their translation.

>>16684518
They are the same use of the volitional, ignore the other retards who replied to you please.

>>16684570
Hint: て is an adverbial/non-finite form. The non-finite english forms are the participles and the infinitive. Use this knowledge in your attempt to create an english equivalent of this phrase.

>>16684574
They're the same as eachother but they're not the same as the "normal volitional" (in JSL terms). Please do not intentionally use ambiguous wording in your posts.

Oh boi I feel like this might be this thread's big argument. Let me put on some coffee boyos

>>16684583
Would you mind linking me to a definition of "normal volitional"? Thanks.

>>16684592
This one:
>食べよう
>Let's eat
>行こうか
>How about we go?
But not this one:
>犬だろう
>It's probably a dog.
>許されようか
>Won't you allow it?
The former is how almost all grammar resources introduce the volitional, and whenever beginners get to that point and then run into other uses of the volitional in the wild, they get confused as hell.

>>16684602
Okay, so "normal volitional" is just a term you made up on your own? To clarify.

>>16684611
That's what scare quotes are for.

>>16684616
It just surprises me that you would accuse someone of using "intentionally ambiguous wording" because they didn't take into account your boutique grammatical terminology. Not to mention you then go ahead and use the exact same wording as me ("uses of the volitional") in a later post.

>>16684623
It's time for you to stop posting.

>>16684623
I never said anything like that. You might want to work on your english.

>>16684626
Don't tell me what to do.

>>16684602
>だろう
This is a volitional? I thought it was just a word.

>>16684631
I'll tell you to do whatever I want you to do. It's my own volition.

>>16684634
Yep, that's a so-called volitional.

Grammatical terminology is garbage.

>>16684629
You did, and to boot you don't even know anything about Japanese. Noone would interpret 許されようか as "won't you allow it." This would almost definitely be equivalent to 許されるだろうか.

>>16684634
でしょう
であろう
etc
The linguistics jargon for these things, hortative etc, is borderline OK but is literally incomprehensible to people who don't go out of their way to study linguistics-as-such.

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>>16684623
>boutique grammatical terminology

>>16684647
>You did, and to boot you don't even know anything about Japanese. Noone would interpret 許されようか as "won't you allow it."
You don't know japanese.

>>16684653
How much have you read? Be honest.

>>16684647
>Noone would interpret 許されようか as "won't you allow it." This would almost definitely be equivalent to 許されるだろうか.
Not only is the former interpretation entirely OK, the replacement japanese you provided is significantly rarer than the original example.

One person of this argument is definitely the obstinate guy from yesterday talking about how he lives in Japan and wants to record Japanese peoples testimony for proof, isn't it

>>16683429
>>16683429
>>16683429

Anyone?

>>16684663
A lot more than you, apparently.

>>16684669
>not very much

This is why you shouldn't comment on things you don't understand.

>>16684674
Who are you quoting?

>>16684540
What's your point? From my point of view that bottom picture was easy.

>>16684667
no clue

>>16684576
He asked for an English translation so I gave him an English translation. Explain how my translation is wrong. What am I omitting or inserting?

>Hint: て is an adverbial/non-finite form. The non-finite english forms are the participles and the infinitive.
I don't even feel like this information is relevant. "in an attempt to forcefully insert it" is modifying the "As I tried to cram it in," which makes it adverbial in a sense. What do I lose by not making an exact one-to-one translation of every grammatical term as you've defined them?
>Use this knowledge in your attempt to create an english equivalent of this phrase.
Why don't you, if you're so much wiser than me?

Point out the exact difference in meaning between
>強引に入れようとして押し込もうとしたとき
and
>as I tried to cram it in in an attempt to forcefully insert it
or else quit trying to act like you're contributing to the conversation in any meaningful way.

That's what I hate about these threads, everyone only cares about being the best one at Japanese.

>>16684664
That use of the volitional is not rare at all (which you would know if you had read any significant amount of Japanese literature) and the other interpretation is grammatically incorrect.

>>16684685
>That use of the volitional is not rare at all
Nobody called it rare.
>and the other interpretation is grammatically incorrect.
It's not. You don't know English.

>>16684684
>He asked for an English translation so I gave him an English translation. Explain how my translation is wrong.
>>16684571
>I was picking on their explanation of their translation, not really their translation.

>>16684667
Though it was wierd as well and looked it up, and apparently うん has this usage as well
>https://kotobank.jp/word/%E3%81%86%E3%82%93-442495
>あいまいな返事をするときに用いる語。 「 －、まあ考えておきましょう」
Maybe that's what happening here. Not familiar with it myself, though.

>>16684685
>and the other interpretation is grammatically incorrect.
Hmm, maybe this guy's got something going on-
>>16684602
>>Won't you allow it?
Seriously? There's literally nothing wrong with this. At all.

>>16684692
Why should I stop posting?

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>>16684681
I have no point, I was just expression exhaustion at how tedious so many DJT regulars are.
>From my point of view that bottom picture was easy.

>>16684703
It's not reddit's fault that you're an argumentative autist.

>>16684684
>That's what I hate about these threads, everyone only cares about being the best one at Japanese.
I'm not even remotely part of this argument but yeah, 100% agree. Sometimes I wonder why that kind of poster even bothers coming to an anonymous imageboard if they care so much about e-penis and ``winning'' arguments.

>>16684548
Where is the past form in this? とした ?

>>16684704
But I'm not a regular.

>>16684690
Then what's wrong with my explanation? I want you to defend this statement
>He didn't express it "eloquently in english", he expressed his interpretation of the sentence in english, which is basically on par with your level of comprehension of it in the first place.
because you seem to be saying my interpretation of the sentence is somehow lacking, despite conceding that there's nothing wrong with my translation.

>>16684709
Yes, but it could also be the retrospective aspect. Japanese doesn't distinguish between the past tense and the retrospective aspect.

>>16684707
>using two ` and two ' for quotation
is this a meme

>>16684714
Anon, it's time to let it go. The person you're concerned about is long gone. You have to get thicker skin if you're going to respond to people that mention what you post on 4chan.

>>16684722
if he's going to call me bad at Japanese he should say it to my face motherfucker, not online

>>16684711
Then I will forgive you for not knowing how tedious your response was.
It was very tedious.
People respond to all Japanese referenced to as "hard" as easy, very consistently and it's very tedious, as it misses the point entirely of such posts.

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>>16684725
not a chance

>>16684730
Hardest japanese on the face of the planet right here. Seriously. I have no idea what this girl is saying.

>>16684720
No, but using quote markup incorrectly is.

>>16684728
But this time it really seemed like a bait to intermediate learners.

>>16684728
No one said that in regards to the Mareni screen that was posted right after. So no, you just posted an easy screenshot.

>>16684738
I'm sorry but even that line of thinking is tedious.
"I just don't know how someone could think of that as hard, it's just so easy!"
>>16684741
Mareni is a rare exception as he is indeed pretty much as hard as you can get.
But even that Mareni image had this reply
>I can read and understand this fine
>Mareni's works also have harder passages that this.
A subtle "yeah that's easy".

>>16684745
That specific Mareni (Astelight) was easy. I've seen passages from Albatross that took me more effort.

Do you blame me for telling you this truth?

>>16683763
What is the ととしては in the 2nd-3rd lines? I don't really get what it is doing grammatically.

>>16684717
I'm not sure what you're Yes'ing to since I didn't make a statement. But in any case, elaborate. I think the として (present) followed up right after with the とした (past/retrospective something?) is the main thing confusing me.

>>16684728
>People respond to all Japanese referenced to as "hard" as easy, very consistently and it's very tedious, as it misses the point entirely of such posts.
Such posts hardly ever have a point to begin with. Taking an excerpt of relatively simple text and comparing it with a single line of /a/-tier Japanese is retarded.

>>16684754
As far as Argent was concened...

>>16684755
>として (present)
tenseless, like "to eat" is tenseless

a te-form "inherits" the tense of whatever it connects to, like infinitives and gerunds do in English

>>16684754
typo lel. it's just としては

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>>16684767

文法の水かけ論はそんなに鬱陶しいなら日本語で討論するまでのことだ
どちの日本語がいいかはすぐに見えるよ

別に私の日本語は優秀とか言ってないんだけど

>>16684785
Cool, you found another one.

>>16684786
そのびっくり箱ってなんのためなの？

>>16684752
I'm actually glad that you just called it easy so >>16684741 can be btfo
Like I said, clockwork. All Japanese referred to as hard will be called easy by someone.
I'm not upset about the truth. I'm just weary that people like you will never stop calling things easy, over and over and over and over. It's so tedious.

>>16684763
The とと is what is messing me up though
>>16684767
kek if true, here I was thinking it was some sort of advanced secret grammar. It being a typo was all I could think of but didn't want to open myself up with "how dare you beginner scum proofread Mareni" etc.

>>16683429
もう一度確認したら（どうですか）
Why don't you check it one more time?
うん
Sure.
慣れてるし
I'm used to it (this is a reason for agreeing to check)

I think the answer should be 1.

解説は書いてないの？

>>16684796
弱気な言い方を感じさせるためだよ
でも、びっくり箱ってそんなふうに形容するなんて初めてみるのだ、笑った

>>16684683
>>16684691

Yeah I don't know either, thanks though.

>>16684822

書いてない。The book is meant for high(ish) level so it's assumed that you will be able to interpret any of your own mistakes if you make them. That is fine 99% of the time but I think that one might actually be a mistake in the answer book.

>>16683429
>>16684841
"I'm used to it (so there's no need to check.)"

>>16684841
Pay close attention to the sentence enders. It would be awkward for tge answerer to use shi to respond to tgat shitara question if it were answer one.

>>16684766
Huh? How is it tenseless?
食べて
して
見て
Are all present no? Just like "I eat / do / watch this" is present in English.

>>16684874
ピザを食べて帰った

>>16684874
>歩いて学校に行った
I walked to school
>歩いて学校に行く
I (will) walk to school

it changes between walk and walked depending on the final verb

>>16684874
Those are imperatives. They don't grammatically work like the te-form. The te-form is just coincidentally used to make this imperative.

Also, the nature of imperatives at the tense phrase level is still under debate in academic linguistics.

>>16684893
But 〜て as imperative is just short for 〜てください, no?

>>16684900
And kudasai has a tense.

>>16684902
Yeah, but my point was that 買って as short for 買ってください is not the same as 買って as in 酒を買ってきた.

>>16684909
Yes

>土台となる基本
>the foundation that becomes the foundation
I'm starting to see why E-J dictionaries suck.

daybook is my favorite country

>>16685109
sun originなんだよ

>>16685109
I prefer two cylindrical objects.

stupid but serious question.
how much time does it take to be able to read a ln like 香辛料と狼 without dictionary and no grammar reference?

>>16685211
S&W has a lot of economic and money related terms in it, many of which I'm sure natives would have trouble with.
So probably quite a bit.

>>16685211
I have 10+ years of English experience on me and I still need to use the dictionary feature of my Kindle quite a bit when reading books. There's always gonna be occasional words you look up even when you become "fluent". I think what you meant to ask is when are you no longer *reliant* on a dictionary, and you can achieve that at the 2-3 year mark.

>>16682919
Try Rikaigu and Yomichan.

>>16685211
Without a dictionary, an extremely long time, but with occasional dictionary use you could do it in a year, probably. SWI was only the second LN I read and I didn't think it was that bad.

わっちわっち

ってどうなの？キノとどっちがむずかしい？

How do you prefer to tackle multiple routes in VNs? Do you skip back to the earliest decision or just start everything again from the beginning?

Does ちょっと待ってください sound girlish?

>>16685395
Depends on the VN, if it has a fast skip function it's usually fine to start from the beginning, while if there's a long common route you'd want to save.

>>16685409
No, none of the polite forms sounds girlish so stop saying that

>>16685409
ちょっと待って
ちょっと待ってくれ
ちょっと待ってくれないか
ちょっと待って下さい
ちょっと待って下さいませ
少々お待ち下さい
少々お待ちになって下さい
少々お待ちになって頂けませんか

Has anyone here played the 英雄伝説軌跡シリーズ games in Japanese? Thoughts?

>>16684841
Not to be like that other guy, but I asked a Japanese coworker since I couldn't really come up with a definitive answer.

The long and short of it is that with so little context, it could go either way. While I was stuck on the うん, assuming it was an affirmative response, she was more concerned with the 慣れてるし. The うん here could possibly not be an affirmative response, but simply a way of acknowledging the man's question being directed at the woman.

She mostly was confused at what the 慣れてる is referring to - whether the woman is used to the unspecified task or used to checking said task. It could be taken to mean either of these, but I suppose it would be more common to assume the former. Thus, you'd get something like >>16684857 .

>I'm used to (the task) (so there's no need to check).

Not sure how helpful it is. We both agree that it's a pretty bad question, though.

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How broad is your Japanese vocabulary /deejaytee/?

https://www.arealme.com/japanese-vocabulary-size-test/ja/?ag

I couldn't get past the first question.

>>16685431
>the best one, ちょいまった no where to be found

>>16685599
Got 20200. I had to guess for most of them near the end.

Apologies for visual clutter replying to so many people, but just in case anyone who replied is interested. >>16684683 >>16684691 >>16684822 >>16684857 >>16684865

I posted the question to chiebukuro (http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q14171478439) and the answers there pretty much confirmed what >>16685478's coworker said, namely that it's not phrased very well but the answer is indeed #2 based on the information given.

>>16685714
>ちょっちまって

とか

>ちょいまち

とかもしゃべりことばではつかわれるんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>まっちくりー

これはしご

変態ビデオゲームは楽しいぜ

お父さんと一緒にプレイしていたの

お前らは同だ

How do you know whether 入る is read はいる or いる

>>16686332
It is virtually always はいる when it's by itself. いる is only used in set expressions like 入り口 and 気に入る.

>>16686367
Thanks friend.

>無修正のわいせつ動画を配信したとして警視庁保安課は９日、米国籍でアダルト動画サイト「カリビアンコム」のサイト制作担当、サープ・マイケル・ナオミチ容疑者（３４）をわいせつ電磁的記録等送信頒布容疑で逮捕したと発表。米国から旅行で沖縄を訪れたところを逮捕した。同サイト関係者の日本での逮捕は初とみられる。

>>16685395
I do whatever the guide tells me to.

>>16685768
thanks

>>16686514
I don't understand, he ran an American porn site and was arrested while on vacation in Japan for not blurring genitals? What? I must be missing something.

>>16686683
>he ran an American porn site
He was an American who ran an uncensored Japanese porn site from the US. 米国籍 is describing サープ・マイケル・ナオミチ容疑者（３４）.

>>16686683
にほんにぜいきんはらっていれば

きんきゅうたいほまではいかなかったんじゃないのかな

よくわからないけど

語彙を増やすいい方法知って欲しい

>>16686799
あら、あたしたちのことを思っててくれてありがとうね

>>16686813
おばさん、何言ってるの？

>>16686815
だって、あたしたちに知ってほしいでしょ？
なんて親切な子！

>>16686823
僕知るかよ

だから、知ってほしいって言ってたさ

>>16686833
それ、それ！
それがやさしいの
ありがと～

>>16686837
よく出来た漫才だったね
第一良賞を授けてやろう

懐かしくてデジモン・アドベンチャーすごいアニメだよ

本当に子供に戻ったかな

おなかすいた

たいやきたべたい

あんこー

>>16685445
very very wordy, and the entire fun of the game is to talk to all the dynamic NPCs. i imagine if you play it in Japanese you might get tired / into the mindset of skipping them which defeats the point of the game. so only play if you are truly prepared to tackle a whole lot of text

しょうひぜいたかい

しょうひぜいが

たかいよー

ふぇぇ

I hate imoutofag so much. Someone needs to ban this piece of shit for his constant off-topic posting already.

>>16687227
I just wish he wouldn't repeat the same stupid sentences all the time.

>>16683152
German material is shit, Japanese learning books and material in German barely exists, whatever I tried is inferior to the English material.
On the bright side, if you give your best you'll be able to learn Japanese and get better at English at the same time.

In case there is a Japanese word, that you don't understand the English definition of, check out https://www.wadoku.de/

Also there are words that you can't really translate into English, they sometimes describe words like that "to do something in that specific way until that point in time" or something equally retarded, but when you look up the German definition you sometimes see just one word that fucking nails it. (of course that's not always the case and the english definition is better)

Yeah reading grammar guides might be a little bit rough but you can do it Kamerad.

>>16683152
My mother language is Russian and I live in Germany, speaking both languages. I use English resources and while my English is pretty good already I feel like it is still improving and that I am learning new words so rather than it being a hindrance to learning Japanese I feel it enables me to improve both. Just keep at it.

>>16687227
>>16687239
>彼

reminder that if your post isn't on-topic in english it's not on-topic in japanese either

>>16687414
reminder that your ゲイ

>>16687414
Speaking Japanese is a way of learning it (1)
This is the thread for learning Japanese (2)

Combine (1) and (2)

>>16687458
Speaking This Japanese is is the a thread way for of learning learning it Japanese.

>>16687485
You fucked up at the end.

This is why you can't learn Japanese.

ホンキー人が嫌い

>>16687517
めんごめごん

Is there an English mannerism equivalent to saying ね a lot? Like, when a girl is trying to sound cute and... girly, and she adds ね to the end of sentences.

>>16687678
Wrong thread.

>>16687678
"Right?"

>>16682635
questiong how do you pronounce the small hiragana/kana at the end of a word?

はなひらっ！

>>16687741
Finish learning hiragana before posting here

>>16687741
It's pronounced "xtsu"

>>16687741
It sounds like a sneeze
Colds are very serious in Japan

>>16687741
that's not even kana, it's just an exclamation mark. it adds emphasis to the sentence, and often means the sentence is yelled or said very enthousiastically

お前は崖に身を投げてください。

Manga is really boring, what do you guys usually read for reading practice?

>>16687825
The other mediums that have text, retard.

>>16687825
正直に I only find manga fun

>>16687842
You'll grow out of it once you hit puberty don't worry.

おっぱいモミモミしたい

ビネス

>>16687873
逮捕

test

>>16687976
>test
What did he mean by this?

>病気が相手では彼女は感情のぶつけどころが無くなってしまう。
I don't get this sentence what's it mean

>>16688002
Context?

>>16686833
>知りたい
I want to know
>知ってほしい
I want you to know

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>>16688092
来る is often written in kana

>>16688002
>病気が相手では
When the "相手" is an illness
(When faced with illness)
(When it's against illness)

彼女は...無くなってしまう。
she loses
(her...disappears)

感情のぶつけどころが
ぶつけどころ for feelings

Now what's ぶつけどころ?
https://hinative.com/ja/questions/551672

Now all you need to know what's meant by 感情をぶつける. Meaning 3 for ぶつける in Koujien is what you want.

>>16688111
Wow, thanks. Mainly ぶつけどころ I didn't get, I thought it was the denial thing which hurt my head a lot but it's just ところ... Also didn't know ぶつける has the 隠さずに言う thing. Makes sense now.

Is there a point where I slowly begin to understand what's being said on the fly without having to translate everything slowly inside my own head?

>>16688180
Are you monolingual? I stopped doing that like a month in.

>>16688180
Read for a few hours a day and it won't take long. Nothing to do with being monolingual.

>>16688188
I only know English. So, I guess? Been at it for like 10 months.

>>16688199
>a few hours a day
While it is true it won't take that long at that pace, but someone on the beginner/intermediate end will burn themselves out quickly.

>>16688221
>10 months
That isn't really meaningful information.

>>16688251
I don't follow.

>>16688221
How much have you read? Read one medium-length VN and you shouldn't be translating most sentences.

>>16688258
There's a difference between "10 months of reading for at least 3 hours every day" and
"10 months of doing nothing but an hour of Anki per day because some eternal beginner fed me a bunch of bullshit and tricked me into becoming an Ankidrone"

>>16688266
Did anki (lowercase) kill your mother?

>>16688266
Hu...huh...

Whilst assigning things like 犬 to a mental image of a dog isn't overly hard, when you get to things like 何 it becomes slightly odder because if you think about in English, what the fuck is a "what?"

there is a certain breed of DJT poster who believes that he is the only one who has properly learned Japanese because only he knows the proper method and everyone else is just screwing off

this poster will often answer a question about grammar by criticizing the question itself, berating everyone else who offers an answer for being unqualified to do so, and then telling the questioner which question he should actually be asking

posters like this should be ignored and avoided because they can offer you nothing, they just want you to know that they're better than you

>>16688310
Please quote the post that hurt your feelings at least.

>>16688310
I win either way as you can't identify me without first reading my posts

>>16688308
You surely have some kind of image connected to that word or any other, such as the lolwut pear.

きっと、早瀬がイヤって言ったら言ったで、なんのかんのがマン出来ずにしちゃったよ。だから早瀬が、そんな顔することないって。

I'm getting confused on the 言ったら言った part and what the hell is なんのかんの.

>>16688308
You put it into context, so you can think of it as "what" in the sense of "what did you have for breakfast?" Or 何 as in 今何時ですか？ Since you already know implicitly what those phrases mean it makes sense as part of the whole.
You shouldn't have a mental image for words like that on their own because they don't mean anything on their own, what they're doing only becomes clear when you have the whole sentence in your head

>>16688390
http://thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/%E4%BD%95%E3%81%AE%E3%81%8B%E3%82%93%E3%81%AE%E3%81%A8

>>16688180
It won't happen by itself, you must choose to stop doing it. I suppose a lot of people stop it out of laziness so they get the impression that it is automatic, but if you've been doing it for that long you might never stop without a conscious effort.

>>16688390
たら～たで means "whether or not".
>whether or not she said いや

>>16688445
To add further to this, even when you've decided to stop translating, that stupid little english voice in your head will continue for a while, you just have to let him know he isn't wanted and eventually he'll pipe down.

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Okay anons, I have a question about core 2k/6k. In this card I need to learn the word 一般. But I need to learn the phrase too when I press show the card button? pic related

>>16688453
That's false and doesn't capture the nuance at all.

>>16688488
What do you think is right? I'm all ears and willing to improve.

>>16688478
No. The sentence is there to clarify that they don't mean the military rank.

>>16688478
As someone using the 10K deck, the phrase is just an example.

Though do learn the other words in the phrase. Like 席.

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Has anyone here actually learned all the jouyou kanji by rote?

I'm at 1160 kanji now and was doing pretty well until a few days ago, but now I'm starting to get mixed up due to overlapping meanings and such.

>>16688567
Why would you subject yourself to this?

>>16688501
I see, thanks anon

What are some VNs that have a broad vocabulary besides Mareni? Starting to get hard to meet my new word quota.

>>16688608
Because when I tried learning kanji through vocab, I only ended up learning to recognise the general shape of the kanji, thus whenever I came across words written with vaguely similar kanji I would get them mixed up.

As for mnemonics, while I found them effective, I could never get over how juvenile they felt. Maybe it's a bit autistic of me, but I hated having these silly stories attached to the kanji I learned that I would involuntarily remember ever time I saw them.

>>16688390
>>16688453
From Googling ～たら～たで I find:
https://books.google.com/books?id=AULTOtDXPisC&pg=PA196&lpg=PA196&dq=%E3%81%9F%E3%82%89%EF%BD%9E%E3%81%9F%E3%81%A7&source=bl&ots=cZ8eRii6PE&sig=8j_BbUe3kijgE89E8WdEkEJmPCw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwienoj79snSAhXrqVQKHamKBcw4ChDoAQg4MAQ#v=onepage&q=%E3%81%9F%E3%82%89%EF%BD%9E%E3%81%9F%E3%81%A7&f=false

「ＡたらＡたで」 expresses the idea that the outcome of A would be different than one might expect.

I don't know how to translate the rest without context, but
>きっと、早瀬がイヤって言ったら言ったで
would be something like
>Surely, if Ayase /did/ say no, then...

>>16688656
That source says that the outcome doesn't change even if A happens - rather, A is the part that's allowed to go differently than expected. "Whether or not X" is an OK way to explain it in english because it retains the same logical entailment. The "literal" way to translate it would be "even if X", but that has a different nuance in english because it's frequently used for necessarily true Xs.
Also, the use of たら implies a temporal nature to the entailment.

>>16688654
Do you really need to do all the jouyou kanji for that? You just need to get your brain to see kanji in terms of radicals. I'd guess a few hundred would be enough. I did 2000 kanji with RTK, but after that had no problem recognizing the ~1000 or so non-RTK kanji I've learnt in vocab. So I don't think the specific kanji matter so much as the ability to break them down.

>>16688677
I just wanted to be more helpful than the other faggot who replied to you was. I agree "whether or not" would be fine in many circumstances. And I agree that the outcome doesn't change—it's just not the outcome you would expect, as I said.

Examples from the text:
>遅刻してしまったら遅刻してしまったで、先生に理由を正直に言うしかない。
Even if I am late/If I do turn out to be late, there's nothing to do about it but give the teacher my reason.
Whether or not I'm late, all I can do is tell the teacher why.
A new proper course of action arises if being late occurs (so that one can still get by by being late, but must do so differently than you would expect).

>テストの点数が悪いと叱られるが、よかったらよかったでカンニングを疑われるから嫌だ。
I'll be scolded if my grade on the test is bad, but if they do turn out to be good I'll just be accused of cheating, so no thanks.
The outcome of the grade being good is still bad, despite what you would imagine.

>>16688772
Yeah, you were more helpful. Thanks. Always good to have direct sources rather than just some random loser posting.

>>16688638
If you've already read all of Mareni you really don't need to farm more vocab or sit in these threads.

>>16688390
日本語文型辞典 has a good explanation of this pattern

>>16685599
6000 something, seems semi-accurate.

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>>16688478
Core 2k's examples are hopelessly inadequate, which is why you should make your own cards that give you proper context.

>>16688937
>日本語文型辞典
whats this?

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>>16689082
or you could download the J-E epwing dictionary from the CoR, install it to rikaisama and have all that ready-made for you when you do a real-time import

where do i go now that wilsonjj.me/jptv/ doesnt work anymore?

>>16682635
エロゲとフラッシュカードの遊びだけならリアルニンジャズになかなか追いつけない

現実を無視するなよ

しっとりしている袋ドーナツは
冷凍するとサクサクになるぞ

>>16689082
Can you recommend a good japanese - english dictionary?

>>16689273
No such thing. Use J-J.

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>>16689204

If you need something easy to read try hentai manga. It has very retarded levels of dialogue.

And if you need further practice try translating an entire raw porn manga to English.

And then sharing it online so others can review your translation.

Bondage hentai is specially easy to read.

>>16689377
本気で言ったのに…

>>16689386
真面目は馬鹿

Any multiplayer games full of talkative japanese players? Or are they just as silent as western players?

>>16689392
Grow up and pick up a book.

>>16689394
grow up and stop posting

>>16689273
jisho dot org

What does ブッサー and キモダン mean?
>いいんです、どーせブッサーなんです。大自然の一部なんです。キモダンなんです

>>16688638
VNs by Masada or Romeo

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>>16689114
I think it's in cornucopia.
Here's how it looks like.

>>16689776
ブッサー = ブサイク = 不細工
キモダン = キモイダンシ = 気持ち悪い男子

>>16689833
ありがとうございます

>>16689835
*有難う御座います if you're trying to express true gratitude. ありがとうございます is more like a pleasantry.

>>16689841
蟻が問うございます

>>16689841
お前バカだな

>>16689835
どういたしまして

Notice how this thread has already begun to have the off-topic chatroom atmosphere of the previous /a/ thread? Six more months at most before mods ban /djt/ from /jp/ as well.

>>16689884
Ok, now go back to /int/

>>16689884
Not really. Perhaps you could be more specific? I would be glad if it happens though.

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>>16689827
the link is dead btw

>>16689956
I can upload it if no one else volunteers. (my connection is pretty shit, though, so if anyone else would like to do it, be my guest)

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Can anyone help me with getting Japanese input set up on Xubuntu 16.10?

I followed the instructions here:
http://www.localizingjapan.com/blog/2014/05/25/japanese-input-on-ubuntu-linux-14-04-lts-trusty-tahr/

But IBus isn't showing up as an option for "Keyboard input method system" in the "Language Support" window.

There's also no "Text Entry" settings menu in sight...

>>16690178
does googles ime not have a linux variant

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>>16690200
Not as far as I know. There is Mozc which is based on the Google IME and that was actually installed on my system when I installed Japanese language support, but Mozc isn't showing up as an option there either...

Why is casual speech so infuriating?

>てててててて

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>>16690178
>>16690209
Okay, sorted.

For those in the catalog who might be reading this and having the same problem, the issue was that (for some retarded reason) Xubuntu installed Mozc but didn't install the IBus module for it.

Solution:
>open terminal
>sudo apt-get install ibus-mozc
>settings > language support > select IBus under Keyboard input method system
>log out (I rebooted to be safe) and then log back in again

You'll notice that there's still no Text Entry option in the settings window, so instead you want to right click the "EN" icon which should now have appeared on your panel (or taskbar, in Windows terminology), go to the Input Method tab and add in both your native keyboard (mine got changed from English UK to English US) and Mozc (you'll find it under Japanese).

To switch between your native keyboard layout and Mozc, it's SUPER (i.e. the WIN key) + SPACE.

>>16690270
pro-drop language
just like your childhood remember of course you dont remember

>>16690270
That's part of what makes Japanese beautiful. The casual language leaves so much unsaid, while the formal language says so much that doesn't really mean anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJwRbwGo4Ow

>>16690292
てってってー
てってっててー
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63Pa5ZHF3Eo

日本語っていうのは醜い言語だと思うけど

>>16690858
お前っていう者は醜男だと思うけど

>>16690877
本当はイケメンですがそれは関係ないわね

まあまあ突っ込みだけどそれも関係ない

更に漢字は自動車事故みたいなものである

その代わりにこれ見てみろ

youtu.be/A5FHHfSSVpM

>>16690893
助けなくても
車の人たちは止まるはず

>>16690942
Please delete the 3DPD
Also just search it up

>>16690935
ねことかたぬきとか

のらは、せんべいになってるよ

かわいそう

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>>16691027
>たぬき

Anyone else applying for JLPT in London today?

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I've installed some dictionaries but Rikaisama doesn't see them. Rikaichan works fine. Am I doing something wrong?

>>16691241
かんちがいしないでよね

たべもののせんべいじゃないよ

動物が自動車に轢かれて埋葬されてない様を

「せんべいになる」っていうんだよ

ほうげんかもしれないけど

>>16691331
Rikaisama doesn't work with 55, 52 is OK.

>>16691241
>>16691345
それから

おふとんとか

ざぶとんが

ぺったんこになることも

せんべいになるっていうよ

がんばれおにいちゃん

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>>16691345
>>16691460
よかったら、たぬき味のせんべいを作るよ

>>16691460
イモウトちゃんって
ペタンコよね

>>16691489
へこめ

Guys, can I go from JLPT N4-N3 in time for July?

>>16691598
If you put in the effort, of course. It shouldn't be that big of a step.

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I've struggling with this grammar: https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#よう(2)
I think he's talking about the volitional form, but then he gives an example of 書けよう, which I can't find anywhere else. As far as I know the volitional form of 書く is 書こう . Is this a mistake or an alternative form? Or is it something completely different?

>>16691792
That's the potential form. Install rikai.

>融解
>fusion
Doesn't fusion mean when something comes together? The J-J meaning of it is actually the opposite, dissolving/melting. I guess it's just edict being bad like usual.

>>16691870
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%9E%8D%E8%A7%A3?oldid=39287773
the gif is quite telling for sure

誰かの若い燕になりたいんです

>>16691792
Replying to myself for additional information.

According to this site http://www.epochrypha.com/japanese/materials/verbs/Verb.aspx?rule=volitional

>Although these volitional forms were once used presumptively (i.e. with a meaning of "probably [does]"), the use of what's called the volitional here is outmoded as a presumptive in modern Japanese. For that meaning, use the presumptive form and past presumptive form.

So it seems that it was indeed the volitional, just an older use of the form. But the conjugation 書けよう is still unclear to me.

>>16691897
寂しいのか？

Anyone know any good J-J dictionary app for android?

>>16691993
とても　(´；ω；｀)

>>16691917
Are you actually retarded? 書けよう ＝ 書けるだろう.

>>16691917
Also, stop using dumb web resources. This shit is in DOJG.

>というよりも、そんな気分にはなれなかった。
Does this mean "Or rather, I couldn't get into that mood"?

居ようがどうしようが

This is similar to that "whether or not" construction, but the どうしよう confuses me a bit here / I can't make a coherent sentence. "Whether it exists or does something?" isn't correct I'm sure

Used like
恋人が居ようがどうしようが、私には彼しかいなかったのだ。

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Can someone help me with the following?

プロデューサーが女だってのとディレクターがバカだってのでFAらしいねドル箱タイトル潰したんだから業界では生きられないだろうな

Something about the product failing due to having a female producer and an idiot for a director causing it to flop in the current industry. What the fuck is a "dollar box title"? Is that the equivalent of "triple AAA title"?