Mahjong Thread

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howdy. gl hf

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I always get so excited for tournaments I end up performing terribly.

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>>16483061
Same boat

Just gotta try to play the best game one can

Tournament Info:
https://nijyouizumi.wordpress.com/

The spreadsheet will keep track of matchups.

Currently missing 8 players. I think they will fill up to 48 at minimum.

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It begins.

>Due to no shows I'm going to end up with a way worse matchup

>>16482993
can someone post the lobby, I was late and just want to watch

What's the link to view the games?

>>16483151
http://tenhou.net/0/?C10002663

>>16483155
thanks

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I'm getting my ass kicked.

>>16483233
Same, not really playing badly. Just can't draw anything.

Let's all give our energy to the /JP/ champion: Corak

>7 honba

save me

>>16483272
You should focus on your game, Corak.

Eternal iishanten

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>Got a table with 2 ippan players
>They literally can't stop pulling ippan magic out of their asses
>Meanwhile me and another >1800R are dead last


Someone save me.

>>16483290
That wasn't me. I can't even get to tenpai.

>>16483325
THAT URA
FINALLY

>>16483375
YOU BRILLIANT BASTARD!

Welp, never dealt in, still 3rd

>>16483432
And the player in 2nd dealt in 5 times

>destroyed
Honestly I expected it when I saw Corak was in the lobby

Should've expected a chinitsu there and bailed

>>16483437
Probably should have just cut the red 5s and held the sanshoku but I was never getting to tenpai unless I called a couple times anyway.

Who in the negatives here?

Amazing game

>>16483456
Hello fellow negative friend. Didn't deal in, but couldn't win a hand either.

>>16483456
If it makes you feel better 4 of the top 5R ended up negative in the first hanchan.

>>16483456
hi there. I busted. cheer up :)

Get ready for more suffering.

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Fuck this, I give up. Going into "I don't give a shit anymore" mode.

>>16483432
This again. What a clusterfuck.

Playing just about perfectly and it makes no difference whatsoever.

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Well that explains what was going on. Everyone had the same wait.

Who the fuck decided on tonpuusen? It's the worst for tournaments.

>>16483683
What? They're all hanchan.

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>>16482993
I finally went up to ８級 after about a week of playing on tenhou.

I'm pretty much a pro now, right?

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>>16483707
Go get 'em, tiger.

Some guy got scared and quit. It looks like they need someone to fill in.

>>16483707
honestly, yeah

Well basically to advance 2 1st places and no 4ths should get you to the top 8.

>>16483813
I have two 3rds. Maybe if I get a couple of Double Yakumans I'll make it.

>>16483825
Any firsts will do. The way it's setup is a 1st is +1000 pt and a 4th is -1000 pt.

Now that's more like it.

>15th after 3 rounds
Basically just get 1st or I'm out

>>16484079
If you don't have any firsts already, it's very possible for you to get first and still be out.

>>16484105
3,3,1

>>16484110
Ah ok. Don't fuck up!

>>16484122
If your rank score is at 0 or less you are effectively already eliminated. This includes someone that is 1+1+0+1.

>>16484143
I think they could still technically make it. The pairings would have to just come out perfect and everyone ahead of you would need a fourth or something.

>>16484164
What will be interesting is what happens to the table that it stacked with +2 players. Someone on each of the tables will drop down to +1 and be in with the rest of the herd.

>>16484172
Looks like there are currently 6 at the +2 mark. In all likelihood 2 more will join them this round, but 1 or 2 will fall out.

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I think I made it out somehow

3,3,1,1

Did anyone make it to the top 8?

3, 3, 3, 1 here, no chance.

>>16484369
3,2,2,1 here. I don't think I'll make it either.

>>16484369
No

>>16484376
Maybe, right on the cutoff

>>16484369
I would have if I signed up.

Right now the top 8 are:

Kins
Panda84
DdR_Dan
TRUNDLE
tateniu
Corak
Element
hehehe

They are arguing about the rules in chat, but that looks like the list.

What is this tournament ? I should have registered.

>>16484441
Now they seem to be changing the way it's done:

Kins
Panda84
DdR_Dan
TRUNDLE
tateniu
ゴリアテ
BigG
harph

So it's the top 8 who do the 5th hanchan?

>>16484476
What happened to my boy Corak?

>>16484487
Yes, but there's argument over what top 8 is. People were playing rank score and now they want to change it to total +/-.

>>16484476
I don't know why they just didn't use the standard uma. +/- 1000 for 1st/4th is retarded.

>>16484495
final 8 are ranked by total points instead of how many 1st

>>16484469
Nevermind I found out. Damn seems like it's fun I should really have registered.
Dat music though.

>>16484476
>>16484504
>>16484487
How can they just change it like that? That's retarded.

>>16484527
Where did they say the final 8 was by ranking points?

>>16484541
The spreadsheet was sorted by Rank Key in the first three hanchan.

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>Corak is 9th
You fucked up m8

>>16484550
the place column used their total score.

stop being blind.

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How's life going for you guys.

I want Houou to leave

>>16485201
>7 dan
>2112
>In Tokujou

Well I didn't get the full punish, but I came from 3rd to 1st in S4. He probably at least loses a point or 2 of R for getting 2nd.

>opponent riichi'd
>retards discard his winning tile from dangerous pinfu wait
>me riichi'd
>suddenly they become houou defense expert that can easily draw round or even oikake'd

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How would this hand end up? Dora is pei.
The answer is closed chinitsu iipeikou.

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Thank you for putting the riichi in there toimen.

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In retrospect I suppose discarding 5s would at least lower the risk of shanpon. The last chun was in the dead wall though.

Want to waste some hours, 7447 anyone?

Eternal iishanten.

Well too bad it was really boring.

>>16487527
Yeah, had some false hopes on 1st game, but the 2nd game was just borefest.

>2:0

When borefest players get together, games become borefest.
quite common formula.

What's with fags who force kuitan almost every chance they get? Do they have somewhere to go?

>>16488594
I loled

>>16488380
What is a bore fest player? I imagine someone that is too defensive and just bails on hands way sooner that he needs to? Thus nothing gets done and leads to endless draws.

>>16488598
You are laughing but it makes the game pretty shitty. No one gets to do anything because this one cocksucker needs his 1000 point hand, when he could've waited it out and got at least a mangan.

>>16488627
>>16488594

>>16488635
learn how to play. I bet you couldn't even get out of ippan

>>16488657
You're embarrassing yourself. Calling on every tile is not how you play riichi mahjong. Go play Chinese or Hong Kong mahjong if you want to play a 100% braindead game.

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>>16488669
I can play however I want

>>16488695
very true

even winning with a shitty hand like Kuitan for just 1000 points, it's a worth win.
since it also prevents opponents from winning a game.

if you think such a hand makes games shit as hell, just win eariler than such a player.

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>>16488880
I'm not saying kuitan is bad in certain situations. But if you are aiming for it at the beginning of every fucking round you're a shit player. Chances are you can go for a more expensive hand and you just cucked yourself out of winning more points because you don't know what you're doing.
And yes it does make games boring because it doesn't accomplish anything. You stop the other guy from winning? You also cut yourself short and have less tiles to defend with, good job. I fucking laugh when these guys call on every tile and then the dealer calls riichi and they can't even defend because they couldn't keep their dick in their pants. That's what you get.

>>16488880
You should just balance things.
If you want your dealership turn or you want to prevent the dealer/guy that's already ahead from winning more or even if you are the one winning, it's probably what you should do.
But if you're not particularly ahead or there's no imminent danger from other players or even worse you're actually losing, it doesn't objectively make any sense.

>>16488911
nice 33 4ths and 2.55 avg place, tokujou kicking your butt? Go for 1k hands more

then how can we know whether there is an imminent danger or our hand becomes better if we keep waiting?

who knows

>>16488953
Isn't his average place 2.38?

>>16488987
Overall yes, I think he's referring to this month.

>>16488953
The point I was making is I'm not in ippan. It's okay to be wrong. You can stop embarrassing yourself now.

>>16488967
Usually you can tell by how far the round has progressed, what people have called, etc. And in most cases your hand will be worth more closed. If you can aim for mentanpin and it's early game and no one has called triplets on dora then go for it. Being a pussy and selling yourself short because you're scared someone might be iishanten for a daisangen tsuuiisou suuankou on the first turn doesn't make sense.

>>16488967
Keeping track of what was discarded and called. Maybe your kuitan could have been a sanshoku, pinfu riichi.
Some shapes can get better faster than others.

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What did he mean by this?

Month is about over, how was the new year for you?

18+14+18+18

>>16489541
1-1-0-4 haven't played all that much. Those are some round as fuck numbers though Anon, nice 18's.

Wow I just missclicked the game away. And when I come back right away, the hand is over and I'm down 12 000 pts. What the shit.

>>16489541
>Joukyuu
2+4+1+1

>Tokujou
+10+10+9+8

>ragequitting

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>>16489541
14+14+19+16 = 63戦

And deranked in the process. Fuck this shit.

>>16482993
What's Kindai's website
Want to read some manga but can't find any more

>>16490812
Well, at least it isn't the dealer calling double riichi.
Kamicha is waiting on chun, isn't he?

>>16490812
discard chun and get rekt

>>16490812
There's nothing you can do in these situations, unless you can copy his discard. A double riichi doesn't play by any rules, it can be a tanki on anything.

Yes, technically the chun is the tile with the least amount of waits involving it, but there's nothing to say it's really safe. Furthermore, if you deal it, you could potentially be adding a yaku to his hand. So I'd go with the 1pin, although it's not any safer.

>>16492242
1pin can add junchan / honchan to a hand too.

>>16492263
Technically too, but that's dependent on the composition of the entire hand, while he just needs to have a pair of the chun to get that extra yaku, no matter what the rest of the hand is.

>>16492283
Well he'd have to be specifically waiting on that chun pair though, which is pretty unlikely too
I'm not sure, which one is more likely to be the case? Nothing is safe to begin with for a wriichi obviously.

Akagi vs. Washizu ends in three chapters.

>>16492242
I'm not a very advanced player, but is there any merit in discarding the 2 sou here? If it passes you'll get two safe discards, and while it is inherently more dangerous than the chun or an end tile, I might not have a large enough sample size to confirm this accurately, but I notice than many daburu riichis tend to be chii toitsu, which would make the 2 sou safer.

>>16492426
If your going to bail the whole round then I guess it makes sense. Personally I would avoid dropping sous and go for honitsu to end the round. I'd probably drop 1p or 6p.

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Should I call riichi here? I'm aware I already have a yaku and 4 dora, but toimen is rushing to win. Would you normally fold against a dealer riichi in oorasu?

>>16492597
I'd keep it dama.

>>16492597
No. You gain nothing by declaring riichi here. If you Ron or tsumo you win. Pumping up a 12000 hand to 18000 is just greed. Staying dama will at least keep the other players from going into full defense mode. Keep in mind that since you are dealer but not in first place, other players have a vested interest in seeing you ready to push to another round, making full defence a valid startegy.

Stay dama and maximize your chances of someone dropping the winning tile

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>>16492654
>>16492673
I'm sorry senpai.
Although I wasn't doing it out of greed, I just wanted toimen to fold so I could get more time to draw my winning tile. If toimen wasn't calling like crazy I would've kept it dama. But now I know to stay dama next time.

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>>16490818
>>16492040
>>16492242
>>16492263
>>16492283
>>16492292
At least, death was quick

>>16493416
THAT IS SOME GRADE-A BULLSHIT

>>16493416
My god. That's beyond lesbian tier. What the fuck kind of sacrifices do I have to make to have that kinda bullshit luck? What is it, double yakuman renhou or chiihou daburiichi? So much bullshit.

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>>16493416
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ???

>>16493416
That was really unexpected.

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>>16493416
Jesus fucking christ.

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>>16493416

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>>16493416
Absolutely Koizumi tier

>>16483707
Lol me too let's fuck em up

3:0

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>>16493416

>>16493416
>kokushi-13 double riichi
What the actual fuck

http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv287591246

Seems the JPML has a WRC league, presumably to decide who they send to the WRC this year.

>>16493416
Fucking hell
It would've been even more ridiculous if it were just flat out Chiihou

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>>16496416
>not a single familar face at the table

I guess, none of the top players are going.

http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv288588429

The NPM is running some sort of weekly league on Tenhou with a variety of players ranging from experienced pros, new pros, female pros and Tenhou players. Starts in two hours.

Reposting. Since the effective demise of Osamuko, I and a few others have begun putting together a new site to collect information and publish new articles.

http://www.mahjong.guide/

>>16493416
The sand in the depths of hell is magic sand!

>>16496794
This should probably go into the OP right?

>>16493416
>double riichi double yakuman
cool beans

>>16496910
http://pastebin.com/ML5gMMY9
What about this?

>>16496930
Looks fine to me

Just won from a rinshan kaihou which then gave me a dealer baiman thanks to 5 uradora.

Why can't things go this well for me the whole time?

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>>16496973
>Why can't things go this well for me the whole time?
Because that would be boring. We must go through shit in order to fully appreciate mahjong diamonds.

1:0

goddamnit join you faggots

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>>16497136
Yea? Make me!

>>16497136
I was going to but then I realized you're a bully!

1:0

>>16489424
this guy's an idiot, lol

why deal into a chinitsu when you could deal into a honitsu

>2:0

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWiyH4xi4OM

Skip ahead to about 6:30 or so.

>2:0

Oh man, that dealer daisangen. Good ol' 7447 magic.

>>16502645
Aww, I missed it.

>待機6人.
>noone ever enters a match.

>>16503500
I only see 4 people, but ok

1.0

3.0

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>Bullshit abilities.
>Everyone winning at minimum a haneman.
>That bullshit chiitoi, honitsu, honroutou kazoe yakuman.
>Titty monsters.
Well, this game is fun.

Just played 2 games, can anyone review them? Thanks to anyone who does.
>http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017020209gm-0089-0000-b8e842ae&tw=2
>http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017020209gm-0089-0000-ade43cce&tw=1

Gonna sleep so I'll reply tomorrow.

>>16504687
Game 1:
No idea what you were trying to do on E1. Once you finally stopped on tanyao you might as well riichi. With the 1p and 9m in your pond, the only thing that moves your hand to non-furiten pin fu is a 4p.

E2 the 2s was suji. No idea why you would play the 3s first. Ultimately didn't matter, but there's no reason to deal into ippatsu there. You should have gone into betaori here as your hand a) wasn't worth much and b) wasn't even in iishanten.

E4 no reason to drop the 3m before the hatsu. Probably would have kept the 2334s and dumped one of your 1p, but it's not hugely important.

S1 I don't mind the play. You got a reasonably early riichi and it just didn't work out.

>>16504687
Game 2:
E1: Same thing, dump the 2p suji before the 1p. Didn't end up mattering.

E2: As dealer the value of betaori goes down, but I don't hate the play. After C hits the riichi button though it's time to give up, and the first discard should be the 4p as it is 100% safe. You dealt a dangerous 2p when the 4p was still safe from both riichis. It's not like your hand was even that close to tenpai either.

E4: Should give up the 1p before the 2s unless you are reasonably certain you are going into betaori. Again you played a dangerous tile when you had safe ones and weren't in a real position to make a hand.

S4: The 8p into a 9p riichi is just asking for an ippatsu, but really there wasn't going to be much you could do there since you were in 4th and not really close to making anything that could bring you back.

Sometimes you just can't make a hand all game and need to try to hold out for third.

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>>16504774
>Sometimes you just can't make a hand all game and need to try to hold out for third.
And sure enough this happens to me in the first game of the month. What a disaster. At least Kamicha eventually busted out while I escaped with 3k.

So it came out one week ago.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.tenhou.WebBrowser20161220

>>16505389
Sweet. Guess puffin is getting uninstalled

>>16504676
Where is it?

>>16505389
Shitty web version but it sounds better than having to use a whole ither browser.

>>16504676
Oh, there's a new version?

>>16505389
>runs relatively smooth
>has tile reorder feature, table/tile color change, almost everything the client has
>by almost: can't see wall tiles, have to manually enter the lobby + re-load if you want to switch, can't edit BGM/SE
I'd say solid 8/10 for a no-frill game. Way better improvement than using browser on phone.

>>16504716
>>16504774
Thx for the review.

Yeah in Game 1, E1 I wanted to go for 678 sanshoku but I should have kept that 9s and thrown the 5m instead I guess.
Yeah absolutely right for E2.
Guess I threw 3m to have a chance at honitsu. And since it didn't come together I discarded hatsu later. Should have just thrown away 1p pair for a tanyao/pinfu right ?
S1, shit happens. But if I didn't make those errors earlier maybe I wouldn't have been bust.

Okay in Game 2, E1 I'm like yeah I have a good hand so I'm definitely pushing and don't care if I deal in. But you're right I should at least avoid ippatsu and discard the slightly less risky tile first.
Oh right, in E2 I completely missed the 4p genbutsu heh.
Yeah in E4, I thought since I already had my 4 groups and pair, I should just discard the potentially more dangerous tiles first.
S4 was just the desperate wait for 4p dora to make a decent comeback hand yeah.

Ok thanks.

>3:0

>>16506381
You can enable the wall in the settings.

>>16505389
I'd like to think I'm not retarded but this just won't download for me. Searching around for fixs didn't help either since it only makes me feel like I broke more things. Could anyone else download it normally?

>Google Play integration for payment
>can buy subscription from Google instead of via third-party providers
This is great. Will we finally see some /jp/ players in houou lobby?
>>16506602
You're right, I missed that. They just moved all important features from the client to mobile, didn't they?
>>16506827
https://apkpure.com/%E5%A4%A9%E9%B3%B3/net.tenhou.WebBrowser20161220

>>16507142
I don't think money is what's keeping anyone here from getting in Houou.

>>16507184
You can't get into Houou unless you're super-M or autistic. Preferably both.

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I'm almost back but I have a bad feeling about the next game.

Shit's been going too well for me lately.

>>16507511
Good luck my man

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Back to 5th dan and now on my all time highest R. Man I'm happy.

>>16507553
Thanks mate.

>>16507879
I've yet to hit 4dan hell myself, but I'm right on the cusp.

I'm afraid...

>>16507894
Abandon all hope ye who enter here.

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>kamicha hit by a riichi'd, ippatsu'd Kokushi
I feel sorry for that guy

>0+0+3+0
Could be worse but this is super frustrating.

http://www.mahjong.guide/2017/02/03/haipai-efficiency-part-two/

New strategy article.

>>16507879
Sexy peak R

>>16510326
see >>16493416

yeah, back to joukyou after only 10 matches in tokujo. I did start with 1815 R, but still fuck this game

>>16516686
The biggest difference is in Tokujou there aren't any "bad" players like most Joukyuu games.

I actually fell out of Tokujou my first 3 times (in 5 games) and said fuck it, went back and got to 5 dan in Joukyuu, and then had enough of an R cushion that I stopped worrying about falling out.

>>16516686
You have to get a couple of games going in Tokujou before you can get steady. Beingi n the lower 1800s will mean that most of the time you won't be losing too much since you'll be up against people with R much higher than yours. But it can be a pain in the ass if you lose twice and drop below 1800.

2:0

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>Hitting the sex button to drop to 4th and furiten on top of it

>>16517391
>Pushing that 5m against that dealer riichi

You weren't playing it very safe, either.

>>16517408
I was in 4th, if I betaori I lose.

>>16517391
The number of times that I've free-sex'd into furiten makes me want to cry.

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>>16517391
That's not sex. That's rape!

And kamicha fucked up.

Just got my ticket for the president day tournament.

If I win, I get seated in Vegas!

...One can dream

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Didn't see that coming.

>>16518278
First row discards were quite telling though.

>>16518402
Yes in hindsight it should have been obvious, but I expected more than 1 terminal in the pond before tenpai. It happens, but it's pretty rare.

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>Saturday night
>Not a single soul in 7447

Come play.

3:0

>>16519722
3:0 again

forever 3:0 shanten

>>16518409
What about >>16493416

>2:0

Are you excited for these mahjong tournaments?
http://www.mindmahjong.com/info/eshowinfo.asp?id=1124
http://mahjong-europe.org/portal/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=37:oemc-2017-european-mahjong-championship-2&catid=8&Itemid=158
I wish I lived in Europe: there's no mahjong in the US.

>>16522502
There is if you live on one of the coasts

I'm participating in one in a couple of weeks

http://pacificml.com/tournaments/lapom-championship-2017

>2:4

>>16522586
I live on the opposite end of the country, in Florida. Perhaps I should just finish the networking code to the mahjong client I'm working on.

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5+5+11+5

Could have been a lot worse I guess, but I feel like I'm going in circles.

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>Stay ahead all game.
>faggot ragequits in S3
>In S4, 3rd player is dealer and 23300 pts behind
>5th turn riichi
>bullshits a dealer haneman san ankou tsumo to land 1st by 700 pts
Mmmh joukyuu magic.

>>16523059
Just wait until you see Tokujou level bullshit. If there's a game without 2 ippatsumo you are doing well.

>Just knocked someone out of Tokujou
Can't exactly say it feels good, but when you deal in 3 times and don't win a hand you should work a little harder in Joukyuu.

>>16524267
This made me realize that a day or two ago I ronned someone back to Joukyuu with a damaten mangan. Now I feel a bit bad about it, it was the only hand he dealt into in the entire game.

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017020613gm-0089-0000-e67ccdef&tw=1

>S3
Was holding out on that hand for what felt like ages only for instincts to make me press the ron button. I got so mad. Might have gotten out of 4th if I got the riichi and iipeikou.

>>16524389
>R1303 1 kyuu
>Damaten

From the looks of it you really like chitoitsu. I don't usually even consider it until I have at least 4 pairs and even then dump it if I don't hit a 5th quickly.

I could do a full write up if you really want it, but I'm not sure it's worth it. You need to work on tile efficiency.

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>>16524389
If it makes you feel better, you weren't going to draw that 5s, and it was probably not going to be dealt by others.

I'd have called riichi right after the red 5p, though.

>>16524389
Just watching it quickly but, in S1 what was that kan for? It kicked you out of tenpai while also increased the chances of uradora for toimen.
Also in S3 if you had riichi'd you wouldn't have gotten the red 5 so in the end the result is the same.

>>16524453
Accidental kan, didn't think just pressed button.

>>16524452
I meant to do that but was going to do it right after since I wasn't going to get any more good tiles.

>Today I was in tenpai for both a Suuankou and a Daisangen.
>Got none of them.

>ever scoring yakuman as a NoName

Why would anyone do this?

>in tokujou for a few months
>still make beginner mistakes like calling furiten riichi
How do I still suck so badly

Never ranking up.

92-123-105-111

1200/1600 pt 4 dan

>>16527039
Jesus Christ, 400 games? Do you not sleep?

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>>16527039
>all those games in February so far

Hey, it's only been 6 days.

>>16527039
Literally impossible, unless you managed to get 3 games per hour nonstop since February started.

>>16527081
>>16527502
I never said this was this month stat. :/

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What the fuck.

>>16530883
It's just shit luck I guess

>>16530883
Just be glad this wasn't a tsumo in East round or it'd be baiman tsumo

I just realized that having hands be worth less points earlier into the hand would increase the impact of skill. Is there any rule set that does this? Would likely lead to the game becoming too defensive if there were no other adjustments though.

>>16531053
Technically speaking that's what every mahjong ruleset does insofar as you're highly unlikely to get a chinitsu right at the start

Ever win a game solely on 4th getting one Ron off of 1st in s4 that isn't enough to change his/her position but enough to get 2nd ahead?

How completely altruistic

>>16530951
Baiman tsumo would be better, than getting killed.

>>16531820
Didn't realize that

>>16531830
The premise. If you can't get 1st, then fight for 2nd.

>>16532447
If you can't get first just do everything you can to avoid 4th unless there's a huge point difference. 2nd is nice, but 4th is so bad that avoiding it needs to be prioritized.

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Holy shit, I just had the craziest game ever. I was 4th with 6400 points in S1 and won in S2 with 89000 by knocking out two people at once, with a rinshan kaihou at that.

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017020809gm-0029-0000-fa98e8b1&tw=1

>>16532744
Very nice.
Although I must ask, why did you not call riichi in S2 Honba 2? You didn't look like you were planning on folding ever.

Fuck this day

4,1,4,1,4,3,1

http://www.mahjong.guide/2017/02/08/defense-in-depth-part-one/

New article.

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>crushing +80 win
>Only gain 5R

...I thought this wouldn't happen until 4dan!?

>>16533708
The only factors that affect R change are the average R on the table and, more importantly, the number of games you've played. Your rank, and whether you win big or not, are irrelevant.

>>16533051
I guess I should've. My reasoning at the time was I figured there was a slim chance shimocha could drop a 5p if he has something worth pushing with, while if I were to call riichi that'd probably never happen.

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I keep trying to learn how to play mahjong but I get so overwhelmed. Even looking at the tiles for more than a few minutes starts making my head feel fuzzy.

>>16536237
Good. You don't want all that suffering in your life

>>16533708
In Tenhou ranking. your +/- score means shit other than statistics purposes.

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>>16536243

>>16533953
Had you called riichi, you'd finish with +105

>>16536237
Step Zero: Learn how to count to ten in Japanese or Chinese.
Step One: Learn that a normal winning hand requires one pair and four sets of three tiles (triplets or sequences) and a yaku.
Step Two: Learn a single, easy, consistent yaku, like tanyao, riichi, tsumo or yakupai.
Step Three: Go for that yaku over and over until it's burned into your memory.
Step Four: Continue this process until you know every yaku, then memorize the yakuman by rote. Learn what dora are along this process, and understand that DORA ARE NOT YAKU.
Step Five: By this point you will be able to win hands but you will very often lose hands. You will need to learn defense. Seek to understand suji, and accept the fact that you can't win every hand and folding is sometimes the right choice.
Step Six: Learn that a strong offence can be a strong defense.
Step Seven: Stop going after big hands that won't happen, and stop going after cheap hands when you have better options.
Step Eight: Pray to the goddess Tewi as you wake each morning for luck.
Step Nine: In a fit of tearful desperation, learn the scoring system.
Step Ten: Take a deep breath, and give them everything you've got.

here 2:0

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>>16536237

3:0

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>>16536953

>>16536953
>not playing closed tanyao

>>16537018
Closed Tanyao is great for learning the game because it forces you to learn more yaku. It also helps in escaping a lot of the ippan bullshit, but there are almost no games for it after ippan.

Are there mahjong-specific insults in japanese?

Are there any good mahjong games for 3DS? It'd be nice to have something portable to play and practice on.

>>16536323
>when you do everything right but still end up in 4th place

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>>16537207
>when you think you're doing everything right but you're actually completely wrong

>>16537333
Sometimes kamicha dealer-kun is in chinitsu tenpai on turn 3 and there's nothing you can do

>>16537067
Just do all that bad manner shit, shown in several YouTube videos.

How do you guys feel about arcade mahjong games?

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>In range for a rank up
>It's a Houou comes to bully Tokujou episode

>>16537341
This, THIS so much. Rigged shit. RIGGED.

Man, there's so much to learn. I can't even pay attention to the other players' discards because I'm too busy just trying to figure out my own hand. I can't just glance at my hand and see what I should go for. It's still a long process of looking and trying to piece things together.

>>16538201
Really comes from experience, just keep playing and there's not much else you can do
Some things are obvious - 5 pairs and you can go for chiitoi, chinitsu and honitsu are pretty obvious, lots of terminals means honchan or even honrou, and a shit hand means tan'yao or pinfu or both.

>>16537032
It's also better because there are no red fives, making the game more fun and less RNG-dependent.
Also, open tanyao take even less effort to make than a chicken hand.

I hate tenhou. The client that doesn't require Adobe Flash assumes you're on a phone rather than a computer.

>>16538440
The whole "kuitan nashi is better because your big hands get cockblocked less" thing comes up pretty often but really, it's objectively less fun. Need a fast hand? Better hope you're lucky enough to have yakuhai.

Aka nashi is dreadfully boring too. Having fewer dora means that riichi is the best way to raise your hand value. It's much harder to reach mangan unless you get lucky with the regular dora. Since the average hand value is a lot lower, there's a lot more incentive to riichi, even if you have to chase someone else's riichi, and the end result is just a contest of luck.

Kuitan and akadora actually serve to balance the game and increase the element of skill. It's not the game's fault if you or the people you're playing against can't handle them properly.

>>16538888
Nashi/nashi actually requires a bit more thought and effort than ari/ari. Kuitan nashi means you do have to build your hand around whatever you have and gain value without mindlessly drilling efficiency and relying on aka/ura to boost your hand value to acceptable levels. It also means people have to play more carefully from the very beginning, because their own chance at mangan-potential hands is lowered, meaning they need to actually think and play around another person's mangan instead of recklessly charging forward to complete their own hand. Aka nashi means you value dora tiles more highly and also, again, might consider yaku that are outside most efficient discards because their boost to your hand value is actually relevant. The outcome of the game isn't as skill-based (because your ability to respond to other players is reduced), but it's still true that stronger players will win more than weaker players.

>>16537371
They're rigged shit.

>Get 33400
>Still 3rd with -7.0
I love this game sometimes.

>>16541416
At least, you're not the poor soul who went negative.

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>score yakuman
>get ranked up

Well, shit. He's one lucky mother fucker. So stronk!

>>16541680
Does that put him in Houou?

>>16538888
>Need a fast hand? Better hope you're lucky enough to have yakuhai.
That's a deficiency of japanese mahjong, which wants you to get one strict yaku per hand rather than multiple fan (basically small yaku modules/units with point values depending on the module, with the minimum score required to call mahjong being 8 points) per hand. I'm sorry you like playing pon palace to get open tanyao.
I'm also sorry you can't play with enough skill that you need to get lucky and get red fives to raise the scores of your hands.
>Kuitan and akadora actually serve to balance the game and increase the element of skill.
>akadora
>skill
It's rude to lie online.

>>16541708
Yes, he's been floating right at the 2k mark for a while, but if he got promoted he's definitely past that.

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>>16536974
Don't trust him.

>get kicked out of tokujou
>get terrible haipai and always deal in after I call riichi after that
>tilt so hard that I get sent back to 2-dan
End my life to be honest kazoku.

Weird that saki the Nationals has so many characters falling asleep because I'm about to as well

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>>16537780
And now I'm on a losing streak because of people hitting things after their riichi that suji trap their waits.

>>16542095
gambare anon

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>>16542095
You faggot, you didn't just luck your way into Tokujou. If you got there, YOU made it, so now go and make it back in again, asshole. All my greatest highs have been after my lowest lows.

>>16542396
Is this what happens when Killer Queen plays mahjong?

How do I learn to play mahjong without all the handholding video games provide?

>>16542487
http://www.mahjong.guide/a-beginners-guide-to-riichi-mahjong/

>>16542497
I know how to look up the shit, but how do I actually practice it so I remember it

>>16542505
http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong_e.html

>>16542505
Play as a noname until you feel confident you can start playing for keeps

>>16542542
no,

>>16542487
play the flashgame>>16542535
and when can defeat the bots go to tenhou as noname

>>16542579
the important part was "without all the handholding"

>>16542586
What do you mean by handholding? The gamedesign one doesn't give you any advantages.

1:0

>>16542595
everything the video game does that is not provided for you were you to actually play the game in real life

>>16542618
One of the features of the client I'm still developing will have a mode where the computer does nothing to prohibit you from breaking mahjong rules by accident or on purpose.

>>16542618
I think tabletop simulator has mahjong tiles, good luck building the walls, though. All online games will do the scoring and building the hands for you.

I guess it would be neat to not get a riichi pop up and the game just letting you call riichi whenever, whether you're in tenpai or not, but I don't think any games allow for that.

>>16542634
>building the hands

*walls.

>>16542634
Maujong for mobile does that when you turn handholding mode off. It still spits out the ron button when you could win a hand, but it will chombo you if you don't have a yaku like it's supposed to.

>>16542629
Suggestions: open riichi and aotenju mode

>>16542629
In all practicality, applying chombo to noobies is not a good idea, because it'll happen a lot. Enough to disrupt games on a very frequent basis.

And I can speak on that term pertaining to real tile play. While annoying, it is also understandable. Can't expect people to know the rule book right off the bat anyways.

>>16542790
scoremax=NO
You got it, bro.

>>16542467
Then you summon your inner lesbian

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>>16542629
Goumoupai all-haku hands here I come!

>>16544084
I would've liked Hitler to win to be honest
Also what the fuck is Pol Pot's problem
>literally an anprimitivist

Has anyone ever successfully hacked the tenhou client on wine?

Both the client and the hack seems to run fine, but it doesn't seem to work...

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>>16542293
>>16542396
Thanks. Trust me I have no intention of giving up. It's just extremely frustrating.

>Friday night
>No one's in 7447

>get a few good hands early on and in the lead
>Mr "I'm last so might as well push" 4th deals into everyone else's mangan+ while I'm struggling to put together any shit yakuhai Nomi hands
>End up 3rd at 30k+

This has been happening way too fucking much recently

>>16544084
Someone playing with you will chombo you.

1:0
Too bad the webclient doesn't let you play without open tanyao.

>>16547475
Make that 2:0

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I think I made them mad by spamming shitty riichis all game.

It worked.

>>16547403
100% your fault

>>16550249
No one needed you to point out the obvious, douchebag

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ROOOOOOOOOON

>>16547317
>not playing with actual tiles

Do you not have friends?

>>16551099
>Having friends
>Having friends that enjoy Mahjong

Two very different groups

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>>16551099

>>16551099
Are you actually using that as an insult? Go back to Facebook or Reddit.

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>>16551099
>Do you not have friends?

Shouldn't the philosophy that went into creating riichi mahjong also have gotten rid of pure luck yaku?

>>16551820
Any game that has some degree of closed information is a gamble.

>>16551820
There are rulesets that are used for training that eliminate all possible luck yaku. They even prohibit going out on a tile that would complete a yaku if you don't currently have at least one established yaku in your hand.

>8 dan in tokujou

>>16552596
Get used to it. Houou's probably empty at this time of day. Sometimes houou players who livestream on Nico also play in tokujou because livestreaming houou is banned.

>>16552596
You can't really blame him. There are like 5 people in houou.

Reminder to next OP to use newer pastebin >>16496930

>>16552608
>livestreaming houou is banned
Are people actually too afraid to break senseless rules? Disgusting.

>>16553345
I think people would rather follow rules, regardless of what they are, than risk the Houou account that they not only grinded arduously for, but also started paying a subscription for.