I love the witch of miracles!

ʷʰᵃᵗ﹖

>>16174540

Bern is a jerk.

she was pretty awful

>>16174574
>>16174615
Kill yourselves. I love Bern.

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I want to do Bern in the butt.

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Bern is a very special kind of fun. I'm not sure love is the right word for how I feel about her, but if not, it's not far off.

BERNIE

I want to punch Bernkastel in the face.

she is a miracle!

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>>16174540
Bern's a massive cunt.

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>>16178148

>>16175092
I want to do her in the butt as well.

I'm gonna piss in fire.

>>16178155

Bern is a fucking DICKHEAD!

>>16174540
I really liked that one line about how her scythe could reap miracles from fate.

>>16174540
That thing's stuck up her ass isn't it?

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>>16179985
It's magic. Nothing so mundane and vulgar as what you're thinking.

>>16180008
So ... it's a MAGIC tail stuck up her ass?

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>>16180050

I can go through "why did you save me back then" scene okay, but when the actress cries in pain, my heart just starts to bleed.

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Shut up!
The bit in Episode 8 where you "challenge" Bern is actually one of my favorite parts of the entire VN

I miss when we had fun. It was boring for months, but then came the cool fights for underdeveloped characters, then came the game boards where everyone threw REDS and BLUES to each other in a battle of wits. Edit-anon did his own fun thing, but that was too RP-y apparently. Then the drinking game was great but was banned completely.
I loved seacats again, turns out that half of what I love about these threads is bannable.
Atleats game boards are allowed, right?
When they first started out there were like two or three per thread and it clogged it all up. I think it's about time we put some more game boards in here. I think nobody got banned for those atleast, so they're allowed.
Anyone willing to work on one? I might prepare one, though it'll take some time. I'd like for us to go back to the golden age of game boards. I had such good fun with those.

>>16182254
I used to have them on desuchan but after EP8 everyone just left in disgust at the ending. /jp/ was also angry for like a year because they thought that the goats who were suggesting theories in that episode was Ryukishi saying ''fuck you'' to all his readers.

>>16182290
We're past that though, right?
I always like it when someone comes up with an impossible crime and we just have to guess and work out our theories with the REDs whe've been given.

I know must of us didn't like DEEN's adaptation, but I'm seriously wondering how I would have done the Red Trueth differently. It's something that inherently only works in written text. I sort of liked the red sentences swirling around everybody as they were spoken. Any other way you could come up with for using the Reds in an animated format?

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>>16182329
I don't have a problem with that part. What I do have a problem with is how all the emotional impact seems to have been lost in the adaptation.

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>rereading seacats
>finished episode 3
>decided i should bite the bullet and read higurashi for the first time
>finished episode 1, in the middle of 2 currenty
episode 1's later half was great but i really hate having to sit through the SoL sequences. It's not that they're poorly done, there's just too much of it.

Umineko had the advantage of having its gameboard dialogue sequences be very interesting and atmospheric, with lots of talk of the inheritance and murder; higurashi just has the cast playing cards in the classroom over, and over, and over, leading up to about 4 hours of real plot as opposed to the 10 hours of buildup

umineko is superior and right now the only thing keeping me reading higu is the bernkastel quote at the start of each game, because most of the plot is like watching paint dry.

i need my curiosity of how the plots interconnect satisfied and i'll sit through every goddamn cake eating scene to get it by golly

>>16182618
I wouldn't call it superior, just different. Higurashi uses comedy to get you into the characters and to contrast with the darker portions later on. Meanwhile, Umineko tries to build a continuous narrative instead. While I personally prefer Umineko's approach, both sides have their own advantages.

>>16182290
>after EP8 everyone just left in disgust at the ending
>/jp/ was also angry for like a year
AHAHAHAHA
Not being a retard feels nice, am I right, guys? Guys?

>>16182682
I have to admit every Rika sequence is pretty funny

>>16182618
Higurashi is dealing primarily with friendship though, so it's important to focus on genuine moments of friendship and fun. Umineko is dealing with family so there's a lot more involved and it's more complex than just fun times with people you choose to be around.

>>16183475
Umineko also deals a lot more with romantic/familial love in contrast with Higurashi's themes of friendship/companionship.

>>16183475
>>16183560
I'm more into it for the horror and suspense though. I understand the padding is necessary for the suspense scenes to have their impact (I lost my shit when Rena showed up outside Keichi's house the night after he found the needle in the food). But where Episode 1 succeeded Episode 2 is failing to deliver. So far, at least.

I mean, at least in Ep1, not a lot of time went by before we got introduced to the annual murders and mystery surrounding it, but Ep2 just seems to drag on, and on, and on, kinda taking a dump all over the milieu of tone that Ep1 had set up when it finished. It's not like I don't like Shion/Mion, or the rest of the club, I can just only handle so much before I just want the plot to hurry up with itself.

I'm determined not to get spoiled though and really want to see why people enjoy Higurashi so much. I've never bothered with it before, only read Umineko.

>>16183604
>But where Episode 1 succeeded Episode 2 is failing to deliver. So far, at least.

Well, the horror doesn't usually start until the Watanagashi Festival. Sadly, I think Episode 1 might be the best in terms of just horror. But while Episode 2 gives you some important information, it's pretty weak overall in my opinion, so it's not like there's nothing to look forward to in future episodes. Episode 3 in particular is one of my favorites, though for different reasons. In that sense, it's pretty similar to Umineko as far as Episode quality.

Also, part of the reason why it spends time rebuilding the mood is to highlight how the scenario has reset, but if you've played Umineko then you're used to that already.

In the end, despite all their similarities, Higurashi and Umineko just have different strengths, which is why there's such a range of opinions about which one is better.

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New Jessica animation.

lewd

>>16183902
Uncensored version:
http://imgur.com/ivsIkrp

>>16183944

!

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>>16174540
I don't really like Bern but I can't deny her design is really good.

Really want another fight scene or game board

>>16185800
>>16178148
>>16178155
Bern dindu nothing wrong, it's all Auau's fault!

Hanyuu isn't really Featherine is she? Isn't she just in pretty much the same situation as Rika, being made a piece of Featherine?

>>16187044
How?

>>16187044
it's all featherine's fault, yeah, but bern is still a cunt.

I can't decide if I like Bernkastel. On one hand she reminds me too much of Rika who is impossible to hate (this is obviously intentional). On the other hand she is a bit of a dick.

>>16189176
Think of it this way. Would you rather Bern didn't exist and instead have all that negativity continue to be a part of Rika?

>>16189193
True, after all Bernkastel is the physical embodiment of Rika's hatred for Takano, like Evatrice being Eva's hatred for her father and older brother.

>tfw only watched the anime and it sucked despite having a good premise
>tfw want to read the visual novel but can't because my computer is dead

>>16189216
I know there's some way to get WTC working on smartphones, I never looked into it though so I don't know the details.

>>16189216
how could she be the hatred for Takano when she didn't find out she was the killer until the last 2 reincarnations?

>>16189243
I'm gonna get a new one soon so hopefully I'll be able to appreciate the (supposed) masterpiece that is Umineko soon.

>>16189269
From what I understand Bernkastel was born following decision in the dice killing chapter, aka post-Takano.

Either that or I should have phrased it as hatred towards the person who keeps killing her which turns out to be Takano.

>>16189269
>>16189323
The way I see it, Bern comes from the part of Rika that lost hope and started to give up as the loops went on endlessly, becoming disinterested in the whole thing. Like the times when Rika stops caring about the current Hinamizawa and decides to just move onto the next one. That attitude eventually took on it's own identity and named itself Frederica Bernkastel. Having long since lost interest in struggling to survive, but unable to die, Frederica began watching the loops from a distance, and eventually came to view them as nothing more than a source of entertainment to keep her from going mad due to her immense boredom. When Furude Rika was finally set free from her repeating fate, the existence called Frederica Bernkastel split away from her, either by her own decision or due to some outside force Auau. No longer a part of Rika, she dropped the "Frederica" part and became known as just "Bernkastel", and started to look for other fragments to keep herself entertained.

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>>16174540
I like the witch of certainty

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The amount of good seacats art that will never be properly scanned frustrates me to no end.

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>>16189391
Me too.

>>16189323
>>16189376
I've only read the original 8 parts of both Higurashi and Umineko (didn't even bother with the anime adaptations). Is there anything written by R07 besides the fact that Furude Rika is pretty close to Frederica that confirms Bernkastel is related to Rika? I apologize if this is common knowledge but I just finished marathonning both games after going in blind so I don't know about anything past what's in those 16 chapters

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>>16189445
It's never explicitly stated. Most of what you hear about their relationship is speculation. That being said, there's a lot of references in stuff like the manga that implies such a connection.

What I wrote in >>16189376 is just my personal interpretation that I've arrived at over several years after hearing a bunch of theories and rereading the stories a few times. Even then, I'm still not certain and am still ready to revise my interpretation based on any new material that comes out.

>>16189445
Higurashi Rei has one line where Rika explicitly states that she "needs to stop being Bernkastel the witch".

>>16189391
>>16189398
Lambda is cuter and sexier.

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>>16189554
Yes!

>>16189570
no

bernkastel best witch

you're witchfu is based off of two of the worst characters in higurashi

kys

>>16189554
>>16189575
I fully agree with this fine gentleman.

>>16189575
>>16189585
>you're witchfu is based off of two of the worst characters in higurashi
I get Takano, but what was wrong with Satoko?

>>16189595
I just never really liked her personality. It came off as too needy and too clingy.

Also her VA in the anime sounds a bit ear grating when she laughs, but that's a minor issue.

>>16189575
Who cares who their based on. Lambda is way more likeable than Bern. At least Lambda is somewhat fun to be around. Bern's just a gloomy, spiteful, unattractive jerk with no friends.

>>16189620
>berny
>unattractive jerk
I can understand the rest but this is too far

kys

>no friends
Even though technically Lambda is her friend...?

>>16189620
you just described yourself

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>>16189619
>It came off as too needy and too clingy.
Why does everyone say that? Satoko only acts that way during club activities when everyone's just playing around and being silly. It's no different from the way Rena acts retarded, or the way Rika pretends to be sweet and innocent. In reality that's the exact opposite of how Satoko really is. She thinks that she was abandoned by Satoshi for being too needy, and believes the only way he'll return is if she becomes independent enough to take care of everything by herself. Whenever there's a serious problem, Satoko always insists on facing it alone without relying on her friends, even when it's something she clearly can't handle. Like how she insists on enduring her uncle's abuse without asking for help, or how she refuses to cry while being crucified by Shion.

>>16189744
>Like how she insists on enduring her uncle's abuse without asking for help
This was just her being retarded

>or how she refuses to cry while being crucified by Shion.
This was just her being retarded (again).

My problem with her is that she acts under the delusion that letting others flagellate her will somehow bring her brother back (which as is obvious is not the case). Furthermore, the fact that she's "independent" for the person that she clings the most to forms a sort of paradox, where she's being independent in the name of being clingy.

I mean shit, I get that she's 10 years old and all but her concept of independence in the name of having Satoshi back so she can cling more to him is something that even 10 year old me would find stupid.

Still, she's not a bad character at all. Just my least favorite of the Hinamizawa students.

>>16189787
>independence in the name of having Satoshi back so she can cling more to him
That's not it at all. That's like saying Kinzo wants Beatrice II to come back to life because he wants to rape her again. The real reason is the same in both cases. What Satoko wants is a chance to apologize to Satoshi for being such a burden and to show him that she's grown to the point where she doesn't need to rely on him anymore.

And yes, it's obvious that her actions aren't going to cause him to come back. Staoko's just desperate and is using that thought as a form of escapism because she can't handle the truth.

I honestly can't pick a least favorite. I like them all.

>>16189894
Personally I think I'd like Shion a lot more if they actually fleshed out her relationship with Satoshi. Instead, it feels like she went totally apeshit and killed a bunch of innocent people over a guy she talked to a couple times. But I don't have a problem with her outside of those arcs.

I also have a hard time deciding on an exact opinion on Rika since while she does have some negative traits, those traits literally become a separate character by the end, and are technically no longer "Rika".

>>16189980
Honestly I think Keichi and Satoko were actually the least violent when affected by Hinamizawa Syndrome. With them it seemed to play up their fear a lot more than their aggressiveness, only causing them to lash out in self-defense at people they thought were about to kill them.

>it's clear that Bernkastel is the reason for "dark Rika" as they call it.
Yeah, hence the similar voice.

>>16174540
witches aren't real dumbass

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>>16190030
Some are.

>>16190045
>Satoko only killed 1
She also killed her parents, but that was the same type of situation.

Yeah, Rika was tortured to death by Shion in Watanagashi and then killed herself in Meakishi to avoid that. And Shion at least attempted to kill Keiichi, so if that counts then she's up to 6.

>Rena had already killed two
Those two really did deserve it though.

>>16190110
Honestly Teppei and Rina really stand out among WTC villains because Ryuukishi doesn't even try to give them any sympathetic justification for being so horrible, they just are. I mean, you could try arguing the point about Teppei's brother dying, but that never really seemed to bother him much.

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This part in the anime adaptation always bugged the crap out of me. They make it look like Keiichi just phases through the railing after getting pushed by Satoko.

>>16190235
too bad S2 has nothing but shitty, boring stories.

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>>16190235
>>16190238
Anime adaptation was a mistake. It just doesn't capture the impact properly. All you end up with is a dummied-down version of the original that offers some mediocre animation in exchange for coherence of the story.

>>16190246
>>16190252
S1 covers the best arcs because they involve the characters at their craziest.

S2 is mostly the Rika justice league arcs where she's trying to win by involving her friends against Takano, it's not very interesting.

>>16190246
Not him, but I found the Kai anime to be worse than the first season's. Not because of the animation, but because of the pacing and content. The way DEEN decided to squeeze 6 arcs into the first season and then spread out the last 2 over the second was just plain retarded. I can only assume they were uncertain about whether they would get a second season so they tried to cover as much as they could in the first one. As a result when Kai starts it feels like the pacing suddenly slows to a crawl, which isn't helped by the fact that the first few episodes feel like filler before Minagoroshi starts.

>>16190268
It still could have been much better, and on several occasions the Manga seemed to do it more justice.

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>>16190213
Are you insinuating there's something wrong with the animation?

>>16190302
During that scene, I was less bothered by the animation's quality and more bothered by the fact that it didn't match up with the voice acting AT ALL. She sounded like she was muttering to herself angrily, while the animation made it look like she was screaming her lungs out.

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>>16190302
Nope. Not at all.

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How does it feel knowing that this will never be real?

>>16190347
eyes look weird.

>>16190369
The ones with those happen to be the ones with much more interesting storylines, yes.

Stop typing like a baby.

>>16190402
Not for me, it's infinitely more interesting than the horrible, abysmally amounts of nothing that happens in S2. I like S1 because the characters that seem normal at first start losing their shit and become hostile to their friends.

I've rewatched S1 plenty of times and enjoyed it, not the case for S2 which I only watched once and never looked back, holy shit, what a tremendous fuck up they made.

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>>16189575
>>16189585
Personally I liked them both, but in the end I prefer Lambda. Without reading Higurashi Bern is just a lot harder to sympathize with. She just comes across as a total bitch throughout most of Chiru, and before that she doesn't even have much of a personality. Lambda's character on the other hand shows a lot more depth throughout Umineko, constantly flip-flopping between sides to show off various aspects of her personality. And then there's her big moment in Episode 8.

>>16190347
>>16190334
>>16190302
man what the fuck

>>16190402
Arc 3 wasn't about horror. The only creepy part was the stuff after Keiichi killed Tepppei, and even that's only if you don't immediately realize that Rena and Mion are just covering for him to give him an alibi.

Tatarigoroshi is about the feeling of desperation that comes from being totally powerless to help a loved one in need. Having Satoko get built up to be like a little sister to Keiichi, only for him to be forced to watch as she gets horribly abused by her uncle. He desperately tries to find a way to save her, even going so far as to commit murder, but in the end he can't do anything.

>Mion's house near the end of Ch. 2
it's like i'm really in the GHQ

>>16190353
It's Erika, the eyes are going to look weird.

>>16190435
>Ah, so it's just a case of ADHD then? If it isn't le scary adrenaline horror then it's not good?
why do you keep arguing like a child, nobody's gonna take you seriously if you keep making insulting assumptions about others.

S1 is just more interesting, S2 is boring because the story is boring, the characters are boring, and barely anything happens because they drag it out to hell and back. I don't know what's so hard to understand. Even if I had never known about S1, S2 would still be boring as shit on its own.

You've yet to say a single good reason as to why S2's story is better, you just keep throwing insults that only make your side look worse, are you a false flagger?

>>16190473
I remember that. I know this probably makes me sound like an uneducated fuck, but I really didn't care for the long tangents on history lessons that never end up playing into the plot. If your stalling for time, I'd much rather have an internal monologue or something. At least that gives the character some more depth.

>>16190480
I mean badly drawn and proportioned, even for a smirk.

>>16190502
Well, it is fake. It's just something someone madeto trick people into thinking Ufotable was doing a Chiru anime adaptation. Everyone got all hyped up, thinking Ufotable was going to shit on DEEN again.

>>16190507
Not him, but I think I gave an acceptable reason to dislike Season 2 in >>16190297

>>16190507
>I haven't provided any reasons why S2 is good because you haven't provided any reasons why it's shit.
I told you way back in >>16190295

Character emotion rollercoaster is more interesting than the Rika's victory story. Then you just started throwing insults like a child and diminishing S1 to ''le spoopy character action xddd'', as if that were a valid form of arguing. It's like if I went and said ''le run of the mill underdog story xddd''.

And what kind of excuse is that? ''I'm not gonna prove my point because you haven't satisfied me yet about yours''? Stop pretending, everyone can see you're the one not only not arguing but also insulting people for not sharing your opinion.

>>16190523
Honestly part of the reason why I'm somewhat hesitant to get into RGD is because it seems like it'll be filled with that kind of talk.

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>>16190536
and then mion was a demon

>>16190547
Actually, it turns out the first arc of the Kai anime (the one with Satoko worrying about the yamainu) is an original arc that was added for the adaptation, so in a sense it kind of is filler. Hanyuu's introduction was originally in Minagoroshi.

But regardless of whether or not it's filler or not is beside the point. It was still pretty decent despite that, even if it wasn't as good as the main story arcs. But like you pointed out, it's a lot of exposition, and while that's fine when handled properly, I don't think it's a very good way to start off the season.

Also, while this next part isn't exclusive to the anime adaptation, I think it's still worth mentioning all the same. The last arc, Matsuribayashi, starts off with a flashback that reveals the culprit's backstory as well as the answers to all the mysterious incidents that occurred over the past several years. It's all very important information that is absolutely vital to the story and should by no means should be removed. But at the same time, it's also about 5 episode's worth of continuous flashbacks; As long as an entire arc from season 1. And it just so happens to be placed right after the end of Minagoroshi, one of the biggest cliffhanger in the entire series. The placement just felt awkward to me, like it's approaching the climax only to suddenly take a break to go over everything up until now before moving onto the finale.

>>16191190
i remember this guy

>>16191227

no it's not

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>>16191428
>>16191436
K yourself

>>16191614
I liked this fanservice episode more than the entirety of S2.

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>>16191635
ABUNAI!! KEI!!!

>>16191685
Nah, anything that doesn't make me fall asleep is by default better than S2.

>>16191705
>ADHD anon pls,
ADHD has nothing to do with finding a dragged out arc that has zero interesting development, character interaction or progression boring, dude, stop being such a baby who can't handle other people's opinions.

>>16191705
Kira had it's moments. They were just... different.

>>16190547
>You just said that you like le spooky dooky bullshit that's only creepy because it's vague over the actual important bit of the series
I don't give a rat's ass what ''the point of the series'' is, it's far more interesting than the run of the mill underdog victory story in S2.
> to something more complex and is the actual fucking point of the show.
By complex you mean ''it's multiple universes now''? Does that make it automatically better?
>Your "character emotion rollercoaster" bullshit is just a pretentious way of saying "I can't handle anything that isn't vague horror that appeals to 13 year olds".
I'm saying that's far more interesting than the shallow, dragged out turd that is S2 that has nothing interesting happen in it, please tell me something in it that makes it better than S1.

Again, if I had watched S2 on its own I'd still would have found it boring. If ''vague horror'' was all I cared about I wouldn't have Umineko ep 1 on the bottom of my preferred episodes despite being the one that's the most horror-themed and not meta.. In other words, the opposite scenario for my tastes in Higurashi, where the enigmatic, non-meta S1 episodes ended up being more interesting.

There's a reason Higurashi is more popular due to its S1 episodes than S2 you know, S2 not only lacks the personality of S1 but also doesn't excel in anything on its own, unlike Umineko which does manage to outdo its first arc from then on.

> "HURR DURR MY ATTENTION SPAN ISN'T LONG ENOUGH FOR THIS SO IT MUST BE BAD".
See above, I wouldn't prefer the latter, deeper, more complex Umineko episodes if that were the case.

Higurashi characters are weak, they do not excel in anything when the situation isn't dire AND start losing their senses, that's why S2 is boring, S1's character lunacy was all the series had going for to me. Higurashi would be absolutely nothing if it weren't for the arcs that S1 covered, it's where the series popularity comes from.

But no, just keep thinking that anyone who disagrees with you must have issues, you tremendous baby.

>>16191788
Course it is, it's the the village kids finally beating the evil corporation, this is especially the case for Rika who's been trying this scenario a ton of times.

I don't find that interesting because the characters are boring when they're normal, they don't have any depth or development on their own.

Good job childishly dismissing an argument like that. You also ignored the part where I mention preferring Umineko's later deeper, more complex episodes so you keep using the ''you must have adhd! it's impossible to find S2 boring!'', you sound like a fanboy.

Is Umineko Hane worth checking out?

>>16191877
Sure, it's pretty good. It's really short though, reading the whole thing probably takes an hour or so

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>>16191992
rate them.

>>16191998
Oh god I just said the seacats not the god fucking damn stakes

Not even I can do that

>>16191998
I would bully them all. With my dick.

>>16192045
Don't blame us if you suddenly find yourself lacking a dick.

>>16191998
Why would you make me do this? Well if I must, then.
Pride
Wrath
Greed
Sloth
Envy
Gluttony
Lust

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzFqQEbs86A
posting high quality rips

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>>16189392
Speaking of which, there has to be higher quality scans of the Gold Edition covers somewhere. I've only been able to fine a couple along with a real nice res image of the Jessica dakimakura art. If anyone has any to post, much appreciated.

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>>16192766
>there has to be higher quality scans of the Gold Edition covers somewhere.
Sadly there doesn't. There's a good chance they were never properly scanned. I'll keep looking, but I haven't found much after quite a while. Here's Maria though.

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>>16193049
Here's a Satan/Asmo I found. This and the Jessica daki I found on Japanese versions of sites like Amazon so I figured somewhere there were hi res scans advertising more of them.

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>>16192766
I have the Bern/Lambda one.
I'll scan it tomorrow if you want it.

I would love that!

>>16193123
for >>16193094

>>16190695
I felt the same way about the whole flashback segment at the beginning of Matsuribayashi. The previous arc ends with Rika finally determined to win, and then you're stuck with 5 or so hours of Takano's backstory. Really made me care less about Takano as a villain, since I just wanted to get back to the main story instead.

>>16193676
Skipping through these segments ruins the enjoyment of the game so we're forced to read them.

Ryukishi has a talent for misplacing effort, while all the anime adaptations of his work lack talent entirely.

I just started Tatarigoroshi today and I'm dreading another ten hours of slice of life scenes. It's like eating vegetables before meat.

>>16193752
>I just started Tatarigoroshi
Have fun with that.

>>16193757
MAN THIS BENTO COMPETITION'S FUCKIN BLOWIN MY MIND

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hot principal

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nope.

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>>16193982
Chie isn't the principal, she's just a teacher. The principal doesn't have a sprite in the game, but he looks like this in the anime and manga

>>16195490
Fu Manchu?

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>>16193123
PNGs :
https://mega.nz/#!OpYwxbzb!tFshXq8LN9w-_iHa66t0JvvhPCD2KKOc0uLgcOcK5Q0

>>16195727
toothpick thighs

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>>16174540
I love her more. And my Bern daki.

Is Aurora/Ikuko hated in Japan or what? She has almost no fan art. Why is the strongest witch also the most unpopular?

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>>16196132

>>16195727
>>16195746
Thanks a bunch anon

>>16195829
DO YOU WANT HER TO BEAR CHILDREN OR WHAT?!

>>16195727
>Bern wears frilly pink string panties
>Lambda's bra looks light violet
Is this canon? I like to imagine they'd both wear the other's favorite color underwear.

>>16197557
>Is this canon?

Considering they're drawn like toddlers here, I'd say no

>>16197557
Why would something from the anime be canon?

>>16197568
I meant just the underwear. The proportions are just based on the anime, which is why they look like lolis instead of just petite women. Normally I wouldn't accept the anime design as canon either, but as far as I know there isn't other official artwork that indicates what they wear under their dresses.

>>16197605
also meant for >>16197597 as well.

>>16191190
Is that you sysadmin? Have you moved out of your rape cave?

>>16180057
Did Feathers get that medal for shitposting?

>>16199639
That's an interesting idea.

>>16199639
Featherine Augustus Aurora, great witch of lurking, shitposting, and ban-evading.

Can someone post some post-EP8 interviews with Ryukishi regarding Umineko for further reading? I know about Answer, but that's it.

>>16199639
it's the Worst Cunt Of All Time award.

>>16203408
Inevitable

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how will gaap take advantage of this?

>>16203789
Fully. As in she'll likely spend an entire part on them.

>>16203796
sounds marvelous

>>16199639
Yes.

Why Ryukishi reject creating original sprites for side characters in Higurashi?

>>16206058
side characters got sprites in later versions.

MYSTERY TIME

Battler was staying over at the Ushiromiya family adn slept in the guest house. Jessica had joined him for a game of cards and they both fell asleep (in seperate beds) late into the night.
The following morning, Battler woke up to the sound of the shower coming from the bathroom. As he stood up and walked slowly towards the bathroom (in order to catch a glimpse), he stumbled over his shoes and fell. He got back up again to walk towards the bathroom but now the sound of the shower was drowned out by the sound of music playing. As Battler approached the door, he could see it was locked. He quickly grabbed a screwdriver and worked the bathroom lock, clunking it open. As slowly opened the door he could see a portable radio on the sink set to full blast. Throwing caution to the winds, Battler walked to the shower and opened the curtains, hoping to see Jessica's naked body.
What he saw, however, was her mutilated corpse. The warm water rose like steam over her naked body. Her throat had been cut, blood was everywhere. She was dead. He stared at her for a few moments, gobsmacked. Realising the gravity of the situation, he turned around to see if there was anyone there, but he couldn't see anyone.
Quickly, he ran downstairs where he met nobody. Finally, he caught up with Genji and Kumasawa in the Mansion. They gathered the rest and went back to the bathroom.
Battler, Genji, Kumasawa, Gohda, Krauss, Natsuhi and Kinzo stood there, looking at the dead heir to the Ushiromiya line.

How did the killer escape the bathroom? Why was Jessica killed?

I haven't been to /jp/ in years so I was wondering, was a new When They Cry arc ever made?

>>16207632
Not really, but there's Hotarubi and Trianthology, both of which have some connection, and neither of which will ever be translated.

>>16208813
She always looks so god damn smug.

>>16207772
Did Bern or Lambda show up in Hotarubi yet? There'll probably be someone who will start translating it when that happens, since it seems like most people are interested in it for that reason.

>>16208853
I don't know. As far as I can tell, it's not even being scanned, so there's no raws available.

>>16208916
Volume 1 can be bought digitally, so there isn't really any need to scan it

Lambda and Bern hasn't appeared yet, at least not in the first volume

>>16193752
>I just started Tatarigoroshi
I envy you
tatarigoroshi is probably my favourite WTC arc
it's just absolute insanity

>>16208853
>>16208916
https://mega.nz/#!qAN1wSQL!8IwQTbbCp_vtDiRFFV5SBJyXzX4HNUxU4w0GFTL3j50

>>16210759
It's also one of the most emotionally frustrating in my opinion.

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>>16210775
Thanks anon.

Can someone explain to me how Shannon's costume works? I don't get that bolero thing. Is it connected to the corset or what?

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>>16212858
Looks like it.

>>16206667

>How did the killer escape the bathroom?
He didn't until Battler opened the door.
When Battler was distracted by radio and relaxing his guard for details, quickly lunging for shower curtain, the killer just walked past him which he was hiding behind door and steam aiding the situation.
>Why was Jessica killed
Who knows, the killer must have not liked her.

>>16212858
By bolero, do you mean her tits bowling over the corset?

>>16213697
>pads

>just started ep8
>kinzo acting like the best granddad ever
i want to believe

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>>16213722
They're still real in the Golden Land, and with everyone already dead nobody's going to notice.

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>>16213954
Be sure to read Episode 8's manga once you finish. It adds a lot and has some great art.

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>>16213954
I just don't find it possible.
Imagine yourself. Pushing 99 years old, only thing thats confirmed is your craze for Beatrice, huge interest in occult and alcohol to drown you from your suffering.
Do you think HE would find mundane things such as grandkids a joy?
He probably doesn't even think of anything but of his own world since he is locked in his room all the day and doesn't want to interact with outside world.
1985 Rokkenjima red truth shows it.
He definitely wouldn't change in a year.

>>16214000
And let's not neglect the upbringing his children had either

>>16214004
Thats not even important, he could of changed his character to be caring for his grandkids. Happens a lot of time.
But since the whole of part V's 1985 is deemed as complete truth and that means Kinzos behaviour too, I find it impossible that he changed to that way in a year and that family members find it normal for him to act that way.
Beatrice is the only thing he cares for.

>>16214000
Ep 8 Kinzo is definitely fake. But I think it's supposed to show how Kinzo could have turned out if things had gone a bit differently, like if he'd been able to move on from the loss of Beatrice and decided to accept his family.

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>>16214039
>able to move on from the loss of Beatrice
>bit differently

>Kinzos daughter doesn't get raped
>Yasu has a mother
>Yasu stays Lion
>Lion becomes heir therefore ending all the retarded infights between siblings.
>Umineko no naku koro ni doesn't get made
>mfw

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>>16214088
Not so fast

I've wondered about this for a while, but just how much control does the Game Master/Player have over the pieces? It's said that they can't make the characters do things they couldn't do, but can make them do things they wouldn't do. But what exactly does that entail?

Obviously they can't make a piece do something it's physically incapable of, like having Maria overpower Gohda. But could they make a piece act in a way that blatantly contradicts it's personality/motives? For example, could they have George murder Shannon?

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>>16214106
Literally doesn't have any foothold.
Kinzo, Lion, Kuwadorian Beatrice are in line as a main family.
The only reason 1986 was possible because no member had a clear shot at title/gold.
If Lion was the clear heir, everyone would bow to Lion in order to gain favour with her, in order for them to get her to lend them some gold.
Killing would be hard with so many members of family and no real weapons besides knives.
Even Kyrie said that 1986 was an accidental chance that she decided to take, because accidentaly a convenient amount of guns,bullets and explosives appeared. And if not she wouldn't have gone against the other 16 members of family.

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>>16214106
I still have a bit of a pet theory, that Lambda and Bern were responsible for Asumu dying naturally, thus setting everything in motion. It's mostly based on that one strange line Kyrie says when talking to Jessica about love.

Without that, Kyrie would have killed Asumu and likely gotten arrested. At the very least Rudolph wouldn't have remarried with her and Battler wouldn't have left the family.

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>>16214107
You had Jorge dragon kicking his mum.

>>16214131
Was going to argue against this, but you're very possibly right. I just have a hard time believing that even with Kinzo "moving on" the children would be brought up in a miraculously happier environment without hating each other and without later quarrels about a certain sibling's child becoming the successor. I don't know if Kinzo's madness was necessarily 100% connected to Beatrice based on the traditionalism he forced upon Krauss and Eva.

>>16214088
I was talking more along the lines of Kinzo recovering over the course of the 19 years following Beatrice II death Yasu's cliff incident.

But that's beside the point. I'm not saying it happened, or even that it was feasible given his devotion. I'm saying it's sort of like a what-if situation.

>>16214163
I always found it odd how Kinzo had such a traditional idea of how women should behave, given that the love of his life went completely against that image.

>>16214145
George has already been shown to be willing to kill in order to be with Shannon, and his mother was the single biggest obstacle to their marriage.

>>16214163
Well, it also depends on the point of time he comes to his senses from loss of Beatrice.
If its at the time when Kuwadorian Beatrice is still an infant, I would assume he would raise her properly.But unless the love was going both way, Lion wouldn't be born. The heir would also be "proper" and not born of incest.
Siblings wouldn't be mad and would accept the order easily. Eva wouldn't shoot for hard work because she knows for certain that the position of Kuwadorian beatrice takes high precedence above any other sibling (unlike with the case of Krauss shaky chances).If Krauss was doing a good job Eva wouldn't even try it. Krauss remains the same, but Kinzo doesn't even force teaching him of leadership, and Krauss becomes more of a Rudolf type son that knows he has no shot at title and just lives life.All since he is raising Kuwadorian Beato to be heir.
This is all derived from Rudolfs and Rosas behaviour. They seemed pretty relaxed about their positions since they are 3rd and 4th sibling respectively. The only real heat comes from 1st siblings lazy leadership and 2nd siblings tryhard attitude that was born out of Krauss easylife lifestyle.

All things considered, they would get much more lenient father, no reason to compete and none of them growing to be ugly characters.

>>16214000
>craze
Exactly. Imagine his mood changing uncontrollably.

>>16214088
>>Kinzos daughter doesn't get raped
>>Yasu has a mother
???

eat up Maria.

>>16212885
Looks like they aren't separated in this version at all. So they're sewed together after all?
>>16213697
I mean, how are you even supposed to call that thing?
>>16213722
EVERY DREAM COMES TRUE IN THE GOLDEN LAND, YOU BASTARD.

>>16214716
But it was padded, look George and Yasu on a date to aquarium.

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>>16214716
From what it looks like, her outfit consists of a white undershirt beneath a black dress with a built in corset that has the chest portion cut out.
>>16214757
>Shannon went so far as to include beads or something similar in order to simulate nipples.

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>>16214716
>EVERY DREAM COMES TRUE IN THE GOLDEN LAND, YOU BASTARD.

Even these ones?

What's more important, truth or happiness?

>>16216348
Truth. Happiness is something you can lose but always find again, and if you accept the truth and move on then you will be happy and also stronger.
Don't be a melodramatic nerd, nerd.

>>16216348
In the end, happiness. But the two aren't really mutually exclusive.

>>16216375
>if you accept the truth and move on then you will be happy and also stronger.
True, but that just means you ended up getting both. What if you had to pick just one? Like if it was guaranteed that you wouldn't be able to move on and become happy after learning the truth?

>>16216407
That's impossible. Happiness is always a possibility, is everywhere. You just need to go and look for it. In the end, the truth is the most important. People who likes to fool themselves are uninteresting and not worth the time.

>>16216416
What if it's not a matter of fooling yourself, but simply not being interested in the truth to begin with? What if you're already content? It's not like everyone should be obligated to sacrifice their current happiness for the sake of some far off truth.

>>16216472
>What if you're already content?
I was talking about everything that might affect me and the ones I care about, not living a lie and be content knowing it. I don't care about the rest. In that case yes, happiness.

What does the cake do in episode 8?
is it possible to not get the almond or something?

also does the number of hints you use affect anything?

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>>16216727
I think you just automatically get the winning piece. I don't think hints affect anything, but I'm not positive. There's several possible prizes you can get, but I'm not sure if it's based on how many right answers you got or what.

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Reminder that the odds of Natsuhi accepting Yasu were less than 1 in 2 million, which was likely even worse than the odds of Rika surviving in Higurashi. In other words, the fate made by Natsuhi's refusal to adopt a baby was even more certain than the one made by Takano's determination to become God.

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>>16216915
What are the odds of Yasu surviving the fall with his penis intact?

>>16216937
No idea. I'm pretty sure the catbox only contains possibilities that take place after that, which is why in order to find Lion's world Bern had to search outside it in the sea of fragments. The only variable from that search who's odds we know is Natsuhi's acceptance of Yasu.

So as far as just the gameboard goes, apparently none. Yasu somehow always survives, and somehow just the dick is lost.

>kumasawa's desert question
fucking hell these are annoying

OP here
I just wanted to express my love for my wife Bern. I didn't mean to start a /seacats/ thread.

>>16216348
That's the question at the end.
Happiness for me personally.

>>16214778
>black dress with a built in corset that has the chest portion cut out.
Oh shit, that actually makes sense. Thanks.
>>16214829
If you really want them to. Reaching the golden land would be a problem though.

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>>16216348
In Anges case, I'd be happy by knowing the truth. I could finally move on from there.

Obviously you can argue that you could move on just by letting go, but personally the curiosity would eat me alive. Even something as horrible as your dead mom and dad being literally Satan, for me it would be better to know than to not know.

>I just want to be happy

You can close your eyes as hard as you like, one day the truth will slap you with a trout so hard, you'll wish you had looked at the truth to see it coming.

>>16217508
>Yasu somehow always survives,
You mean in the fragments we were shown.

>>16216348
Truth.

The exposure of truth sometimes results in tragedy. However, no matter how tragic the truth may be, it would be an even greater tragedy to avert one's eyes from it.

>>16216348
All three depending on your beliefs, reality is subjective.

>>16217809
Not when the truth is uneeded.

>>16217883
>he doesn't need truth in his life

Let me tell you about our Lord and savior knowledge

>>16217895
Yeah, let's reveal to our relatives all our worst fetishes.

>>16217903
You worded that wrong. We should strive to find out every little secret of our relatives and not reveal ours, that way we understand our dearest better

>>16217990
>We should strive to find out every little secret of our relatives
did you learn nothing from Higurashi?
some truths are unnecessary

>>16217804
Obviously meant to
>>16216973
Very-slow-fix

>>16218130
>did you learn nothing from Higurashi?
>some truths are unnecessary
Did you learn nothing from umineko? Knowledge of your close relatives and friends could prevent disasters and Internet warriors destroying a small child's life

>>16217883
>Not when the truth is uneeded.
Don´t be a coward, the truth is always needed. Besides, without knowing the truth you cannot even decide in the first place if it is indeed uneeded. Thing that is impossible.

>>16218861
Even if it's really embarassing and not that important?

>>16218868
>Even if it's really embarassing and not that important?
Learning the truth of your relatives´ deaths is always important. And how can that be embarassing?

>>16218920
I'm talking generally here, since you said "the truth is always needed".

>>16218924
And the topic is still Ange learning the truth, don´t try to make ridiculous claims. Besides, my first post centered around tragedies and not wanting to learn from them, not embarassing incidents. Don´t bring in stupid stuff.

Once again magicfags show they're unable of any critical thinking

>>16218861
I really think Ange didn't need the truth. But it depends on your point of view obviously.
>>16219303
>acting as if there's a heated argument going on

>>16219544
>acting as if there's a heated argument going on
I'm just playing my part

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>>16216753
I want a Beatrice plushie.

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>>16227573
>These aren't real merchandise.
Come on.

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What did she mean by this?

>>16227770
i want to be torn into bloody pieces over and over by bernkastel

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So upon completing her journey, Ange gains an item to remember everyone by, and you're telling me THIS is one of the options.

I just started reading Umineko, and I'm on episode 4. Is there actually a human culprit answer to all this shit? I mean, there's magic thrown left and right thrown in the narrative and a lot of it seems like nonsense.

>>16227975
There is a human culprit. The magic's just unreliable narration, like Virgilia said in Episode 3 with her catbox explanation.

>>16227994
So are the non-fantasy parts actually considered real? I mean those parts can be fabricated too can't they? It's really hard to think about this when anything that's happening could be false or fabricated.

>>16228015
As the detective, Battler's perspective is objective. What his piece sees is what really happened, with the possible exception of the end of Episode 2 when he was drunk and had already surrendered to the illusion of the witch.

During scenes in which Battler is not present, in other words when we're seeing things from someone else's perspective, then what's being shown can potentially be a falsification based on that narrator's subjective point of view. This applies even outside of magic scenes.

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The PS sprites were a mistake. I don't know if I should use the Steam ones or the originals.

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>>16228471
I like the steam ones personally.

>>16228146
Thank you very much. I'll keep this in mind.

>>16228570
Delicious Satoko.

>>16229292
Best loli. I still need to try editing that towel out.

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Riddle me this, seacats.

/RED/Gohda is found dead in the kitchen.
/RED/Gohda definitely died in the kitchen.
/RED/Gohda can't lose in the kitchen.

Give my your Blue Truths.

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>>16227975
The human culprit is someone you don't expect.
Do NOT click on the spoiler pic.

>>16229621
/BLUE/ Gohda killed himself

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>>16229621
That's a logic error, anon. The highest order of red truth in Umineko is that Gohda can not lose in the kitchen

>>16229621
/BLUE/ Gohda was defeated outside the kitchen and was mortally wounded. He succumbed to his injuries after escaping to the kitchen.
/BLUE/ Gohda starved to death in the kitchen

>>16229679
/RED/ Gohda was murdered!

>>16229717
/RED/ Gohda was attacked and killed while he was in the kitchen!
/RED/ Gohda did not starve to death!

I will deflect these measly Blue Truths!

>>16229621
I think I get it.
>Can't lose in the kitchen
It doesn't count as losing if there's not actual fight or contest going on. So it's possible that Gohda died in the kitchen without losing.
Someone shot Gohda dead through the kitchen door. That way Gohda died in the kitchen, without "losing".

>>16229621
A different Gohda killed Gohda.
Gohda died in the other Gohda's kitchen.

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Ryukishi's new manga looks like something akin to To Love-Ru

>>16231063
>h-he's a really good author i swear!
>his works have very interesting themes... n-no really!

>>16228570
Her towel's shorter in the original though.

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>>16232958
The character's are really interesting and complex!

>>16232972
Yeah, well she was also explicitly shown naked in the original, something no adaptation since has had the balls to do.

>>16227770
Bern is not a fucking flower

>>16232958
>h-he must always work in the mystery genre!

>>16232994
>deen
delet

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>>16232958
It does have some sort of plot as well. I can't read Japanese though, so I have no clue what's going on here

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>>16233103
Better?

>>16233125
I read "love love harem game" and "harem battle" on that page.

>>16233125
>>16233152
My nihongo's not very good.
"Yes, it's decided"
"My name's Zepafur! I am the one who controls love of men and women! Here and now, I will use all your mana and proclaim the great magic's activation!"
"I name it «Love love harem game»!"
"This is the beginning of a harem battle between the beauties surrounding you!"

>>16233252
>Zepafur
WTC universe confirmed

>>16233258
So, is it a boy or a girl?

>>16233292
Oh shit, now we're in trouble. She said "waga", which is gender-neutral.

>>16233258
The manga's title also ends with "-koro ni"

>>16233385
Does Ryukishi's self-referencing know no bounds?

>>16183886
When did this happen?

>>16233432
After episode 8, In the Golden Land with Kanon.

>>16233442
But Kanon is an imaginary person.

>>16233460
Which part of the Golden Land do you not understand?

>>16233460
With an imaginary dick. What's your point?

>want to come up with fun mystery for /jp/ to solve
>terribly uncreative and no inspiration whatsoever
one day, anons

>>16234903
It's not easy, but there's a way.
First you need to make an impossible situation (locked room mystery/everyone has an alibi/footprints in the snow etc.)
Then the tricky bit is coming up with about 10 explanations that would work with the impossible situation.
Finally, discard all of those, and think of another one.

It really isn't easy, but it's possible. It just takes time.
Not trying to humble brag but I was the anon behind most of the mysteries in these threads. Also, I don't know who this new guy is who posted a Jessica mystery and a Gohda mystery, but it's not cool to just leave without giving an answer.

Long story short, keep trying anon. Hundreds have done it before you, and you can do it too.

This is gonna be a bit of a weird question, but imagine the entire Ushiromiya family went to Hogwarts. Which house would they be in and why?

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>>16235028
Krauss would be in Hufflepuff. He'd get a nice supply of Polyjuice Potion, grab some of Eva's hairs and rape everyone endlessly, man, woman and child. He'd feed Snape the potion and fuck Eva-Snape.

I still dont get why Krauss is made out to be a mass rapist suddenly
He was best uncle

>>16235060
Stupid forced meme

>>16235076
He'll force his Ushiromidick down your throat, that's for sure.

>>16235060
Best uncle was always Hideyoshi.

>>16234903
>>16234986
In fact, if you want help, you could always email me at comrade_cd@quitehotenvelopes
Don't think I can post actual email adresses, so work that out if you wanna talk

To the nearest dozen, how many chicks did Rufolf fuck?

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>>16235293
That's one catbox I don't want to open

I just realised I have a disturbing lack of Rudolf pics in my folder, anyone want to post some to help me out?

Will reading the manga refresh my foggy memory of umineko or is it a whole other beast?

>>16236387
It's pretty much the same except for Episode 8, which has a lot of new stuff

>>16236421
new stuff in addition to the VN or replacing the VN version?

>>16236426
Mostly in addition. There are some small changes like the quiz party being changed to hide-and-seek, but nothing major

>>16236452
Thank you I'll check it out.

beato

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Is this the worst female outfit Ryuukishi's made? It just looks so unappealing.

>>16240687
Not as bad as Casual Shannon

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>>16240818
Casual Shannon's not great, but at least there's some colors. The St. Lucia uniforms are just those ugly browns.

>>16203796
>As in she'll likely spend an entire part on them.
Is this already available somewhere?

>>16242102
Not yet. There's already enough for another part, but I've been trying to finish the breast part in a single big part. Currently it's at over 1000 words.

>>16242345
awesome

Which witch would you leave in a ditch?

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>>16242426
Does Goldsmith count? If not then MARIA.

Which witch would you hitch?

>>16242426
Bernkastel, I fucking hate her. She is loved by Lambda and Erika, yet she continously hurts them or ignores their love for her. Not to mention all the horrible stuff she did to others through the entire story. Ep 8's ending at least showed how she improved a little her relationship and attitude with the persons that care for her.

>>16242469
Gold is fine.

Also beato.

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>>16242485
Depending on how you interpret it, Bern was purposefully playing the role of villain in her game with Lambda, which is why she seems way less spiteful during their sleepovers outside the gameboard.

>>16242527
Lambda ends up hitting accidentally Erika with that magical arrow which makes her fall in love with her. Lambda at first tries to get away from her and ignore her annoying love to continue focusing on Bern. Eventually Lambda develops a soft spot for Erika and starts to return her affection/love. Lambda and Erika forget about Bern and decide to marry.

Best ending ever.

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>>16242540
I'm fine with Bern being forgotten, but there's someone else Erika could have been with.

>>16240687
meh, I think it's cute
just because it's plain doesn't mean it's bad

>>16242540
That's the most retarded post I've ever read

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>>16242609
Being able to make Ange look plain is quite an accomplishment.

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Who is your favorite stake?

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>>16242677

>>16240687
I like it. I just though it looked like an overcoat too much.
>>16240818
I'm not a fan of this silhouette, but I think it's okay.

>>16242811
I think I mostly dislike the color scheme. Brown is very boring, not a color you'd typically make the main part of an outfit.

>>16242840
>Brown is very boring, not a color you'd typically make the main part of an outfit
it's a public school uniform
it's not gonna be bright fucking orange is it

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>>16242891
No, but brown? All the other school uniforms from Higurashi looked more interesting.

>>16242891
St. Lucia is a private school.

>>16242935
meh, in britain it's the same thing

>>16242630
Ange dressed as Maria looks so silly. The hair ties just make the crown look even more childish. The Beatrice cosplay suits her though.

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Ange is for _____

I'm about to start my 3rd Umineko read-through in a while, and planning on drinking some Riesling with it. Has anyone ever made Bernkastel's cocktail from Higurashi (one part Riesling wine, one part orange juice, one part water). Is it horrible?

>>16243967
It sounds like it would be horrible.

>>16243758
being the best Seacat.

>>16243758
Paizuri

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>>16244022
That applies to most seacats

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>>16244014
But which Ange is best of the best?

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i want someone to look at me the way ange looks at anything

>>16244164
Disinterested with a hint of disgust?

>>16244087
I don't recognize the last...where is it from?

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>>16244356
Episode 8 manga

>>16244356
Episode 8's manga. It's Ange as Witch of Resurrection.

>>16244369
>>16244372
Ah, I haven't read that yet.

>>16244790
I'd recommend it. Lot's of new stuff was added.

>>16244790
I wouldn't recommend it. Lot's of new stuff was added.

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>>16245069
>Not liking the new stuff