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Friendly reminder that mahjong is a kusoge only if you let it be.

http://pastebin.com/9WYsXMLF
Previous thread: >>15973720
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>>16092887
Nonsense, that makes it sound like I just suck!
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>mfw, have to play X-number of games just to even out past sins
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tanoshii
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>>16094594
2016 in a nutshell
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I feel sorry for that guy.
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>>16095520
Replay please.
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how can I quickly memorize the yaku and scoring?

got everything down, but can't remember all the yaku and yakuman
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>>16096782
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016111300gm-0089-0000-8ae9815a&tw=0

>dealer sanbaiman
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMuXhbuVOLM
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>>16096820
Just remember the common 1-han yaku and some 2-han like toi toi or 7pairs.

As for scoring, fu is retarded. I only remember the 30fu row and let the ai do the rest.
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>>16096820
As the other anon said, the common ones are your priority. Their value and scoring isn't something you need to worry about too much unless you plan to play in person. The ai handles that part.

I had the most issues with distinguishing similar yaku like chanta and junchan, but once you've mastered the basics the rest comes naturally
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2.0
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>east double riichi
>oh boy here we go
>drop south tile; played with his hand like a bitch
>24k honitsu chitoi
That's it. I've had enough of this bullshit.
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If it is riichi mahjong instead of chinese mahjong, I am sorry to inform you that it is kusoge.
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>>16096869
He clearly deserved it.
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>>16098890
Kek. Nice editing.
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>>16098548
Don't go! We've lost too many...
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Just leaving here.
[Saki: Zenkoku-hen] [PCSG-00646] [Save Manager 0.8] [JP] All Character unlocked https://mega.nz/#!IpUATR5L!kRGdDUHP7bp5Tlbf-84AqeIf4QYexm1W9kosk1cz1KE
For those who don't want to grind forever
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>>16099777
this is great ill try this later
>if you replace copyright.png in PCSG00646/PNG with this blank version you can get rid of screenshot watermark https://mega.nz/#!1lM1QZTQ!hQstJayWClAjwRIzZeCM28kwzMaxt42Tc1IGsBu__Wk
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>>16100732
ignore that link use this :p https://mega.nz/#!gxNHzQpa!2BW7QwHjuknBHNtAz2AqifNUeIotpU5IVjSa55DiHNg
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Are the Saki PSP games worth playing? I don't have a Vita.
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>>16103501
Yes. Turn off superpowers if you want to actually learn though.
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>>16103501
Yeah they're fun. I'll probably never get around to the vita games unless I put some time into learning how all that nonsense works or if I actually buy a vita. Got a double yakuman in the first PSP game I think.
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Alright who wants to play ?
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Bump
>2:0 guys
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3.0
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what are some good singleplayer mahjong game?
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>>16104631
Mahjong Pretty Girls Battle
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>guy makes every single mistake imaginable
>I still deal into his mangan while in riichi
That's it for today I guess. Serves me right for playing in General.
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>>16105268
You're not free of mistakes either, anon. Why did you discard the 5m instead of the 6m?
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>>16105472
Actually nevermind, I missed the two visible 7m and the 4m.
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>>16105472
Because I want san ankou tsumo
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>>16105268
kek
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>osamuko down
I just started to really get into mahjong and it seemed like a good resource. Where do I go now to for the theoretical stuff?
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>>16108361
Use the wayback machine to view all of the osamuko articles
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>>16104866
>Mahjong Pretty Girls Battle
anything else?
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>>16108412
Virtual tenhoG on Android
Four winds mahjong on Windows
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Does /jp/ have a guide for buying mahjong sets?
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>>16108421
I just bought one from aliexpress: really good for only 50 $ (30 for set, 20 delivery)

Amazon.co.jp have a lot of them, but only few, like the Nintendo one, are for international delivery
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>>16108412
He wasn't being serious. It's legit kusoge.
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>>16108421
Amazon.jp had a huge sale recently, don't know if shipping is an issue however.

You can get sets outside of Japan as well. I've seen some on Craigslist ironically.
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>>16108448
I checked it out, seems like shit. I hear the akagi game is pretty shit. Yakuza mahjong is pretty fun. Anything else?
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>>16108546
Yeah, the Akagi game was garbage. It's a recap of the anime on a 2 cent budget and also has a terrible interface. I heard Mahjong Haoh Portable was good, but I haven't played it myself.
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pure autism
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016111604gm-0009-2345-b5812f83&tw=3
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There goes my progress.

why can't i quit this suffering
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So, how do we stop this turbo-lesbian?

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016111607gm-0089-0000-e06f2a30&tw=2
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>>16109447
Why didn't you eat that lesbian's tacos?
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>>16109760
Who let this dude in?
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>>16109262
1-1-4-10 for my last 16 games

I was so close to escaping my 4 dan, sub-R1800 hell too
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Is 7447 always empty now?
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>>16110943
You're at a pretty rough spot in the morning for games, unless you know the euros are up.
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>>16110954
Australian evenings seem to be pretty desolate
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>>16110943
Friday night EST used to be damn popular, not sure about now a days though.
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>>16110974
You're Aussie? Where are you?
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>>16110787
>4 dan, sub-R1800 hell

Truly, the worst hell. I made it out once but fell right back in.
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>>16112141
Try being in the sub-1500 inferno
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Thanks toimen.
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>>16112868
Please tell me thats ippan. The toimen opened aiming for a toitoi only and then broke his only yaku just to keep a red 5?
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>>16113430
Can't make out the image very well, but could he have been folding?
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>>16113430
It took me a while to figure out what you meant. That's a 3-sou you're seeing, not a 4-sou.
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>>16113588
Ah, my bad.
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>3:0
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Way too late, buddy.
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What happened to osamuko?
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>>16118019
Owner rage quit the internet.
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>>16119627
Why though?
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Sankantsu is such a beautiful yaku. Almost as beautiful as Ryanpeikou.
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>>16120062
He realized what a dumb cunt he is
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2.0
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WWYD?
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>>16123923
6s, safe vs simocha and suji for the other two
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>>16123923
Cut that 3p and deal right into toimen for a mangan maybe? Had that 3p been a useful tile, I would have cut 3m since that passed fairly recently.
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>>16123923
You should close the hands next time.
I'd discard 6-man. It's safe against kamicha, and probably safe against toimen who looks like he's aiming for pinzu honitsu. It's not safe against the dealer, but I'd discard it over 3-man first because there is the chance small chance he could've gotten in tenpai for chanta sanshoku. If the 3-man passed again, I would prioritize defending against kamicha and toimen since the chance the dealer has a kuso hand is highly likely.

>>16124072
Discarding a tile that's safe against no one sounds like a great idea.
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>>16124124
Just being honest though, I tend to not think too hard during a game. I probably would have noticed that toimen is doing something with pinzu but that 3p doesn't help so I'd risk it and hope it passes. If I somehow realized I should be defending I'd probably stick to cutting souzu starting with 6s.
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>>16123923
>post WWYD
>show all the hands

This is how you turn that on/off
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>>16125388
Way to subtly brag about your yakuman
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>>16127039
I wish it were mine.
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The only thing better than coming first is dealing into a sanbaiman and managing to crawl out of last place while the guy with the 24000 point lead over you crashes and burns into minus points. Such is life in my sub-1400 hell.
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3.0
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QUICK /jp/, do I Ron or persist on waiting for a 5?
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>>16134481
to go right in to furiten?
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>>16134481
Erm...maybe I'm retarded after a losing streak but, how would winning out on a 5 any better than on a 2?
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>>16134506
How would that happen?
>>16134512
It would be a Pure Straight, wouldn't it?
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>>16134531
this is furiten already, since you let the 2 go
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>>16134531
That would have been 123-345-678-999-red red.
It won't be straight.
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>>16134547
Ah shit, I thought you only need to gather all the pieces no matter what the combination.
>>16134544
Yeah you are right. I thought that only happened with tile I discarded. Shame.
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Good news!
I won anyway and I ended up striking the girl with the most point. I can pretend that was the plan all along.
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>>16134587
Now go up against some humans.
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>>16134802
I love Kan but some people are really retarded about it. The other day I saw a guy call a double riichi and right afterwards another guy calls a kan against it. He dealt in the next turn and gave the dealer 3 extra dora.
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http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016112111gm-000f-0000-32f31160&tw=1

What the hell? Seriously, how the fuck do you win here?
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>>16136410
>double yakuman
Always fun to see those, kinda wish I ran into them myself. Might just be hindsight but dropping that chun right after all those calls is asking to get ronned. Toimen giving him the west tile made me think he was beyond saving but he and kamicha managed to hang on to their north tiles so they're not 100% retarded. Can't beat the flow though, he had that tile coming straight for him.
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Clutch(lucky) play in the last round.

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016112116gm-0029-0000-x3a0f75a84642&tw=0
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>>16136410
I thought double yakuman isn't a thing in tenhou.

Holy shit, that round must have been depressing.
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Please conform me that I made the right choice, only to be screwed by RNGesus.

Would you have discarded 7m instead and made a comeback victory with that selfdrawn 8m?

I can't get over this ;_; I could have won but fucked up and tilted to 4th place.
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>>16137163
Even a beginner can see that you made the wrong choice.
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>>16134587
>Furiten Riichi
>Win with menzen tsumo
>Keikaku.jpeg

Anyway Does anyone know what the fuck happend to Osamuko's blog ?!
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>>16137163
No, if you keep the 9m you lose tanyao, have a shittier wait, and also have to call riichi. Don't judge your play by the dead wall.
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>>16137600
>>16119627
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>>16137713
This.

It's a personal preference of mine to favor a closed middle wait versus shanpon, but in this case there's nothing compelling that would make anyone throw out tanyao
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>>16137080
Multiple yakuman at the same time is always allowed.
Double yakuman, that is kokushi 13-sided wait, chuuren 9-sided wait, suuankou tanki aren't a thing in tenhou. Also, daisuushii is only 1 yakuman.
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>>16138294
I got daisuushi once, I felt robbed
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>have a luck app on my phone, predicts good luck for the day

GONNA RANK UP TO-NITE!
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>>16138886
This can only end badly.
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>>16138406
I got a renhou once. Try to imagine my disappointment.
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>>16140475
Was it just not counted? Unrelated but tenhou doesn't allow open riichi right? That seems like another fun yaku.
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>3:0
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>>16139125
APP STATUS: UNINSTALLED
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>>16141864
Yep, Renhou isn't even counted as a yaku. I was only able to get the ron because I had a haku ankou.
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Help me, /jp/. I can't figure out what 4-yaku hand the game is telling me I can get. One yaku is from the dragons, so it would be a 3-yaku hand. I keep going over the list of hands but I don't get it.
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>>16144559
Hatsu toitoi akadora.
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>>16144616
No, that's the weird part. If I discard the 5 and get a 4, I will no longer have toitoi. Also, dora are not included in that number as the game is telling me I'd get 1 yaku on a 7 (which is correct; 1 yaku from the dragons and 2 dora). So either the game is fucking with me, or there's another hand to be made here.
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>>16144670
They want you go go sankantsu hatsu and win either by rinshan or chankan.
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>>16144559
Where does it say that you can get a 4-yaku hand? Those numbers tell you how many of each tile have yet to be dealt, in other words that you have 5 winning tiles.
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>>16144670
That counter is amount of tiles, not han
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>>16144703
>>16144695
Damn, I knew I was being dumb somehow but I never realized my mistake was that stupid. This changes a lot. Thank you very much.
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After nine months of fighting and learning, I finally made it back up to 1500 from the low 1200s pitfall I got myself into back then.

now to keep climbing until I reach Tokujo...
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>>16146973
I have yet to do this myself. ;_;
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What is your stat for November so far?

>1+5+1+0 = 7戦
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>>16147261
Net negative.
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What do you discard from these?

Situation: early in the game, no chance for for sanshoku, chanta or tanyao, neutral score
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>>16147330
At least show us the rest of the hand.
If based on this alone I'll probably discard 9p coz it's least likely to form a sequence.
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Getting 3 consecutive games as first dealer is a sign that you are not blessed.
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WWYD?
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>>16147275
>+171
>+70
>+9.00

That is net negative??
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>>16148301
9 * 75 + 1 * 30 - 6 * 120 = -15

6d is tough.
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Does Jaypee play go?
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>>16147261
I started off so well with no 4th in the first ~30 games...and landed 3rd instead. But at least there's no R penalty for that.

Then shit happens. On the bright side, it's been net positive since the start of the month.
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>>16148348
>there's no R penalty for that
Except there is.
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>>16148355
Ooops, I meant the dan rank.
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>>16148348
How the hell can you not lose your mind playing 70 games in 20~ days?
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>>16148359
I might be slightly addicted.
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>>16148175
9p then 7p later on. Doubt anyone is going for them since two other 9ps are out.
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>>16148422
Joke's on you.
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>>16148460
That seems exactly like the kind of thing that would happen to me in a game. Fucking flow hates me.
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>tfw your winning tiles never materialize, no matter howuch you yell at your monitor
>Tfw the first tile you draw in the following round is said ex-winning tile
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>>16149642
Who are you quoting?
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>>16151412
No one, just relaying another take of kusoge
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>>16151817
Please don't misuse the quote function like that.
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>>16152444
That is more of a greentext story rather than a quote...
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>>16153052
The very foundation of "greentext stories" was misusing the quote function. Things like that and ">mfw" (which was auto-banned text at one point in time) have led to the current "shitposting as a culture" mentality that is ruining the site these days.

Please refrain from such activities on /jp/.
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>>16148175
I discard 9s.
Already have 2 shuntsu and 2 ryanmen so I only need to finish them and get a pair. So the only sensible discard choices are 79p and 79s.
If I want to keep my chances for an ikkitsukan I would discard the bamboo first because there is one tile less to complete it (discarded 6s). Plus pinzu is the dora's suit.
And I discard 9s because it's the less likely to become a pair as it was already discarded once.
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>>16153811
Oh shit I didn't see the 8p discarded so that makes it even, wait wise. Still choose a pinzu ikkitsukan anyway because it's the dora suit.
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>>16153365
Literally no one gives a shit. Don't junk up the thread with your garbage.

>>16148175
9s, push for itsu dora, eventually tossing the 7s if it isn't too risky
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3:0
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Can anyone explain why this score sheet that came with my set starts at 3 Han instead of 1? I just treat it like 1,2,3 etc and works just fine
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>>16155751
I bought a set with the same score sheet and I just assumed it was a printing mistake.
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>>16155751
It's old convention. The fu calculation is fu X 2(2+han). You could assume that the lowest han is actually 3
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9000+ games played and im still not 7 Dan. Fuck tenhou
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>>16156285
>9000+ games
H-How long have you played?
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Add one more for ura, and this is good for dealer baiman.

Tenpai, what a dangerous place to be.
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>>16155847
I see ty ty
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>>16156415
played casually since 2009. their ranking algorithm is complete bullshit for f2p players.
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>>16160715
OK PHOZ/merchant
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This is like my third game. Am I retarded? How is this not a win?
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>>16163363
No yaku buddy, make sure ya learn at least a few of them so ya don't keep screwing yourself like that.
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>>16163363
Wind tile sets only count as a yaku if they match the round wind and/or your position wind
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>>16163363
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>>16163599
This should really be in the OP.
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>>16163416
>>16163439
>>16163599
And here I thought I was beginning to understand the very basics. Thanks.
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>>16166159
Just make sure to look up a list of yaku and memorize the most common ones. You only need a few to get going.
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How should I play to make Japs in 0000 mad enough to vent in chat?
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>>16163363
>>16163599
Every time.
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1:0
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3:0
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>tfw a grand total of ONE win in November
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>>16174249
I feel for you.
That feel makes us better
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>>16174261
>NoName
>10-13-0-2
>Use an account
>2-12-15-31
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>>16174311
Weak against pressure.
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>2:0
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WWYD?

I got ron'ed, by the way. 16k.
But crawled back to 2nd place nonetheless.
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>>16174989
even if it's wrong I would still discarded 4pin
4sou is the only alternative
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>>16175005
Why though? Just going after your own hand recklessly?
You would have been fine tho. SUJI TRAP AHHH
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>>16174989
8p. Not sure why you would go for anything else.
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>>16174989
Rage quit
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>>16175022
I guess I'm just terrible at this.
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>>16175039
i feel ya
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21世紀。これは、《世界の麻雀人口が1億人を突破し、麻雀の実力が人生を左右する世界》で、どこにでもいる普通の女子高生・宮永咲(浜辺美波)の物語―。
ある日の放課後。咲は同級生の美少女・原村和(浅川梨奈)と運命的な出会いをする。
和の後を追うと、旧校舎にひっそりと存在している麻雀部の部室に辿り着く。そこには和の他に、なぜか大好きなタコスを手放さない・片岡優希(廣田あいか)と広島弁を話すメガネ娘・染谷まこ(山田杏奈)がおり、咲は断ることが出来ずに麻雀を打つ事に…。

Kyochan never ever
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>>16175039
>>16175048
I can't even make 2dan and I've been playing for years.
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>>16175620
Playing two games once every few months doesn't count. Play two games a day for a year, and you'll improve.
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>>16174989
6s seems like the safest bet.
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>>16174989
Yea, see all those dora? You hard the fuck bail.
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>>16174989
2s looks pretty safe.
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>>16177369
With what Anon? He had no safe tiles right?
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>1+9+2+0 = 12戦
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>>16178222
Always better than 3rd or 4ths Anon.
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Does the 3ds have any mahjong simulators?
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>>16178222
>complaining about zero 4ths.

You must play with a high level of standard.
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>a game where we throw all terminals, dragons and winds
>nobody wins

Is this some kind of conspiracy or what?
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My first 100% game.

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016112917gm-0089-0000-x79e14324d19d&tw=0
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>>16178222
I get your disappointment, seeing all those 1st places slip by.

Keep a positive outlook however, you're in the green this month
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3.0
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>>16175323
I can't get over this looking like a cheap cosplay jav
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New kirinji out!
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>>16178947
All of your opponents were dumbasses.
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I'm very excited.
http://www.mindmahjong.com/info/eshowinfo.asp?id=1124
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The sixth OEMC is coming up, too:
http://mahjong-europe.org/portal/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=37:oemc-2017-european-mahjong-championship-2&catid=8&Itemid=158
It's too bad the poster says 5th on it.
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2:0
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3.0
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>>16187713
3.0 come on
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This shit is hella complicated. How long did it take you to feel comfortable playing the game?
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>>16188150
You learn in stages. The rote memorization aspect gives way to experience based learning after a while
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3:0
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November: 7+7+9+3

All in all, pretty good!
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>>16188150
I simply read the entire rule PDF for mahjong. It's not that hard.
http://mindmahjong.com/adobe/20141120CEJ.pdf
The European Mahjong Association has minor clarifications.
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>>16188150
2 years.
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>>16188886
I had completely forgotten that it's the 1st today. I can be free of my terrible November playing at last!
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>>16188886
>November

Thank God, that month was over
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>>16189840
Same here. Is there a way to look up last month's record?
I must have played like 100 games.
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I wish I can go back to November.
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>>16189904
I ended up using Arcturus.su to find out
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>first day of december
>already lost more than last month
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My first ever Yakuman (suu kantsu) in the fourth round, this December has started off very well.

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016120123gm-0009-0000-4cc0f61c&tw=1

The sheer amount of luck needed to pull it off though (the 7m kan giving me the final hatsu) is making me worried that I might have accidentally sold my soul to the mahjong devil.
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>>16174989
The hand is 3-shanten and the leader is in riichi with 5 dora which is at least haneman so 100% betaori.
Characters are the most dangerous tiles I think because he didn't discard any before his riichi.
Bamboo is not that safe either because he kept that 3-sou last, just before riichi so maybe he has a wait not far from it.
I guess Circles are the safest because his kan acts somewhat like a kabe and the fact that he threw that 7-pin earlier means he was settled on his 5-pin ankou otherwise he would have kept it ?
I would throw the 8-pin.
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>>16190802
>My first ever Yakuman (suu kantsu)
Whoa.
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2:0
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>>16190802
Suu kantsuu is pretty nice for a first yakuman. All I've gotten is kokushi musou.
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>>16190802
Fuck you anon all I've ever got were kazoe and daisangen.
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>>16191257
Fuck you, I only ever got daisuushi and found out the hard way that tenhou doesn't support double yakuman
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>>16191257
Imagine getting a 17 han hand and it's only worth the same as a 13 han yakuman.
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>3:0
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So why can't I ron here? It says "no multiplier" when clicking on Ron.
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>>16191996
>>16163599
Every fucking thread. This is the second time in this thread, too.
You don't have any yaku.
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>>16191996
Look up the wikipedia list of yaku. Your hand has to have at least one of them to win.

Mahjong would be a pretty shit game if all you had to do was make any 'hand' as quickly as possible. There's more to it than that.
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>>16191996
>what is a yaku
see >>16163599
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>>16192069
>Mahjong would be a pretty shit game if all you had to do was make any 'hand' as quickly as possible
The chinks sometimes do that, they have like a gazillion yaku
One of them is the yakuless hand yaku.
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>>16192143
>yakuless yaku
Simply marvelous.
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>>16192185
I believe it's actually because there are so many fucking yaku in the full list (that most people don't use here, they generally just agree on which ones count and the rules before they start playing) that actually getting a yakuless hand is an achievement in and of itself.
For example, any kan at all is a yaku. I believe a closed hand is a yaku, as is tsumo, as is a hell wait, or a fully opened hand, or three pons, or even a closed triplet of ANYTHING.
The han counts are insane though. Kokushi Musou is 64 han, iirc, and Tenhou is 168. Going for a lot of tiny hands isn't that great when you consider that winning ten times with a 1 han garbage hand is powerless in the face of a single honitsu.
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>>16192185
I think it's just that in Chinese mahjong, they give you points based on the hands complexity (triplets and so) wether you have a yaku or not.
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>>16192201
Basically this
You CAN win with a garbage hand over and over, there's just very little incentive to because you're likely to get shitstomped in the one round out of sixteen you failed.
Also, flower and season tiles, which can either be a free yaku each or a metric shitton altogether (when they're set aside like bonuses) or wildcards that can be anything you need to complete a hand (which is bullshit).
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>Dealer renchans for a comeback haneman
Feelsgoodman
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>>16190802
>My first ever Yakuman (suu kantsu)
Realize this. Some people could be chasing that yakuman for all their lives and never get it.
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>>16192006
I know it's extremely lazy on their part, but the site doesn't actually inform you on yaku
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>>16194197
Scroll down.
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>>16194004
This. Also, as your skill level goes up, the probability of getting suukantsu goes down.
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>>16194197
Their alert message is "No multiplier", I don't know why they didn't just keep "No yaku".
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All in all, Chinese mahjong, through the modularity of their scoring system, allows for more flexible and strategic play. The Japanese system of having few, very strict scoring hands makes riichi mahjong a game of luck unsuitable for competitive play.
Chinese mahjong is like go, Japanese mahjong is like checkers with dice throws.
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>>16195242
yeah, no
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>>16195242
>bait
Except it's the other way around.
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>>16195248
>>bait
Calling opinions you disagree with bait is disingenuous. Japanese mahjong is worse than competitive mahjong and it disappoints me every day to see people play inferior games just because they want to pretend it's /jp/ - Japan Only
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>>16195277
>no pond for each player's discards
>everybody pays the winner regardless of who deals the winning tile
>can win with anything
>jokers
>bonus tiles
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>>16195299
>>jokers
Are you talking about American mahjong? Competitive Chinese mahjong has no jokers, and people discard into their own discard piles.
You seem to be misinformed. I recommend you read this:
>>16189790
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>>16195277
I'm sorry you can't get past R1500, anon.
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>>16195242
>>16195277
Don't do this. This is /jp/, a board for Japanese culture, and specifically a thread therefore for Japanese Mahjong. However much you think it sounds stupid, it's true.
Games are games. There is no such thing as an inferior game as long as you're having fun, and certainly nothing as far as 'better for competitive play' - competitive play can be achieved at all levels as long as the game is sufficiently complex so you can't just memorize the best play, and everyone actually knows the rules.
t. Chink

>>16195299
>no pond
I've never heard of this rule.

>everybody pays the winner
That's sometimes a rule yes. Dealer gets double wins and losses.

>can win with anything
Right, but a garbage hand worth 1 han 15 times still loses to the one time someone managed honitsu.

>jokers
The flower tiles? Those generally add han. Nobody uses them as jokers.

>bonus tiles
Yeah, the flower tiles. Basically, permanent aka-dora you get on draw.
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>>16195504
>There is no such thing as an inferior game as long as you're having fun
In reality, you're right.
However, I think /jp/ is about otaku culture rather than Japanese culture.
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>>16195517
You're technically right I guess but you get the idea
The Chinese don't really have an equivalent of otaku and people who play mahjong are usually old guys anyway, or the rare college people who brought a set, so in any case /jp/ is probably not the place to talk about Chinese mahjong and definitely not the place to shill it.
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>3+1+2+0 = 6戦
I want December to never end.
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>>16195242
>discard reading in Chinese styles
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>3 rinshans in one hour

What the fuck, and none of them were mine!
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>>16195504
>>no pond
>I've never heard of this rule.

I think he meant no organized discards and by extension no enforcement of furiten.
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>>16199302
There's generally no furiten at all, especially in versions where 'dianhu' (ron) is differentiated from 'zimohu' (tsumoho), where one of the riskier moves is to 'tingpai' (riichi), then discard your winning tile so hopefully some schmuck dodges by following your lead.
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>>16195313
>people discard into their own discard piles
No, Chinese discards simply put the tiles where ever in the middle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVIDtkkJqc4

See? They don't give a fuck where the discards go.
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>>16202903
Those are just some random shmucks playing.
I looked up a professional game and they have proper discard piles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PnJ3V5l614
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How does one decide to attempt a 13 orphans?
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>>16202994
Ryanshanten or less. Otherwise: abortive draw
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>>16202994
The rule of thumb is starting with 10 useful tiles. If you get two pairs of terminals, don't count all 4 of those tiles, since you'll only be able to use 3.
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new Akagi out
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>>16204214
How much longer until washizu ends?
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>>16204275

well i mean fukumoto is 57, so
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>>16202994
A few things to consider.

>are you winning? (If so, don't be a fucking retard)
>are you desperate?
>how many of the seven types of honor tiles do you have?
>is any of the stuff for kokushi the dealer indicator?
>are you feeling lucky?

And other such questions.
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>>16202994
9 tiles is abortive
10 is ok but you may as well abort if you don't need the points
11+ is cool
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>tfw all the gains in November wiped out in 3 hours
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2:0
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>>16211040
make it 3.0
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Good matches guys
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What's with all the 2 and 3-dans in ippan?
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live action tacos crack head
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>>16213710
it was aweful
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>>16213709
That's not so irritating. A few days ago I met a 5-dan R1850~ in joukyuu.
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>>16213710
Tacos looks like a dude with a wig.
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>log into tenhou
>it's buggy as fuck
This is fine.
>3 weeks later
>still buggy
>mfw
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I started playing two weeks ago and I'm loving it so far. I'm getting a little better but I still routinely make terrible decisions. I expect that will go on for a while.
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>>16217609
>I expect that will go on for a while.

You will never stop.
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>>16217967
The longer you play, the harder you hate yourself when you fuck up

I'm still kicking myself for fucking up my rank-up chance over the weekend with two absolutely retarded plays
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>>16217609
stop while you still can, before it's too late and your soul is taken too
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>>16209412
And that is mahjong
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>>16213914
>>16215398

Tacos is horrible but the rest was awesome and had some fun mahjong play to watch. Just tune out tacos-sama.
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3.0
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>Took months to go from 1dan to 2
>Hit 3dan less than two weeks later
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>>16215371
I've seen a 7-dan in joukyuu once.
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>>16220821
I assume tokujo gets sparse sometimes so these guys head over there for a game
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I'm terrified.
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>>16220643
Enjoy hitting 4dan soon, and then welcome to hell.
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>>16222515
I keep hearing about the 4dan wall. What's that all about?
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>>16222639
The penalties for last place get progressively worse as you advance in ranks. I guess that 4dan is around the point where most people simply can't consistently make big points wins.

I imagine that a lot of people in 4dan are also aiming for tokujou, so simply playing a last place avoidance style could save you from losing points but not from losing R that you need to move forward properly. You have to seriously consider R balance alongside point balance, which I don't think most people do before 4dan.
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>>16222686
Two things to note about 4dan in joukyuu.

>It takes 3 games minimum to make up one 4th place game.

>Most opponents at this point should have a lower R. This means R can bleed from losses, while gains may not make up as much.

At the same time, skill at 4dan also means the ability to beat a majority of players in joukyuu. That's how it should be and all up to the individual.
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>>16222639
How high is your R?

To get in Tokujo you have to be at least 1800
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Time to quit mahjong.
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>>16220643
Pretty much the same here and I got stuck in 3dan ever since. Took me forever to just break even to 600/1200.

It's been a week since I quit tenhou.

I feel free.
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I hardly know what I'm doing but this seems like a really bad win.
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>>16227134
a basic tsumo with a Chun, search Yaku on google to understand
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Time to quit mahjong
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>>16227134
A bad win is always preferable to a good loss.
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>>16227256
Note the rinshan tile.
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>>16228097
>Getting kanchan'd out of a rinshan win
Playing against Fukumoto or something?
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>>16228097
That's fucking exquisite.
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>>16209412
Tenhou is not a site for competitive mahjong: only use it if you like luck-based games.
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>>16228097
I can't stop laughing jesus christ you got hammered
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Santa came early!

I'm gonna pay for this, as usual.
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1:0
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2:0
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2:0
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3:0
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3:0
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>hit someone with a decent hand
>They ragequit
>Feel like a fucking pro for the next seven minutes
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>lose two games due to disconnects
>lose two more outright

Fuck this shit.
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>>16230673
One more twist to that game. I still would have outright won that game... if I did not call kan and instead discarded the 9-sou.
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1:0
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3:4
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Thank fuck this didn't went off.
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>play like shit
>Get 4th
>"I should stop, I'm gonna go on a tilt"
>Queue up again

I'm a glutton for punishment
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>>16238336
We all know that feel.
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>>16238336
I had to add a rule for myself. If I get more than 1 4th in a row, I have to stop for at least an hour. It does a good job of limiting the idiocy.
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>>16238336
>Little voice in my head tells me not to play
>Play anyway
>End up last

I should learn to listen.
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>>16238336
>>16238940
You have to listen to the little Akagi in your head, most of the times he's right.
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>>16238952
Little akagi tells me that 3sou is dangerous

"But little akagi, I'll be in tenpai for a haneman!"

Tells me to look at the pond, clearly a bad choice, better to retreat

>Give in to the lure of the gyakuten and deal 3sou
>get double ron'd

I wish I could say that I learned my lesson after that...
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>>16238952
Where do I get a little Akagi? I only have a little Kaiji
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>baiman ronned
Now I know I could've played better but come the fuck on
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>>16239241
he should have gone for the yakuman
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>>16239263
no bully
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What do you guys think of putting together a player/location listing so people can arrange to meetup and play IRL?
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>>16240459
Nah
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Beware of misclicking.

I wanted to drop 9-pin instead. But no... I gave up chun tsumo dora 2, with that fuck up.

Oh well, I won in the end anyways.

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016121115gm-0029-0000-300a2c75&tw=3
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>>16240459
Maybe check if there's a mahjong club near you.
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Playing through ippan a second time is a form of punishment.
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So who wants to review my replay with me, I got fucking destroyed :
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016121201gm-0089-0000-611430d0&tw=0

E2 : I should have discarded the 9p at the very end. I wasn't tenpai anyway so better discard a safe tile.
E3 1st honba : I was retarded, didn't pay attention to the dealer's discard of 6m when he already had a 9m pon. It was clearly chinitsu tenpai. It was fast though.

I feel like I had the worst draws ever and fucking chinitsu/honitsu everywhere.
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>>16244075
When you dealt into the chinitsu, you draw a suspect 4m, which y'should've gotten rid of immediately because you were not gonna use it. Instead, you let it linger in the hand for a couple turns; by then, it's too late.
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>>16244600
Oh yeah absolutely right. That's what they call sakigiri.
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When if ever should one riichi on a single wait?
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>>16245143
If you're desperate for a win, you can see all the dora, nobody else seems to have anything particularly dangerous, and you don't have yaku.

So, almost never.
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>>16245143
If it's really early in the round or if you're targetting a specific yaku.

So I was 1+0+0+0 in joukyou and after playing today I am 1+1+3+2 and lost my fucking rating. I saw some fucking bullshit.
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We've figured out how to play the Saki PSP games multiplayer with emulator over on /a/.

If anyone wants to try mahjong with magic enabled.
>>>/a/150825918
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>>16245783
i had no idea /a/ had such a lively Saki thread
time to move to /a/
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>>16245892
>such a lively Saki thread
Hahaha.
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>>16240459
If you're in the LA area there's a jansou with automatic tables that also hosts meetups every other week. Playing there has drastically improved my tenhou performance.

Elsewhere in the world, you might consider using the meetup app or some other hobby network like Craigslist (insert gay rape joke)

One of the best places to meet interested folks is at anime cons. Come prepared with some tiles and a way for folks to reach out and you might get a decent crowd.
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>>16245143
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016121018gm-0009-7447-67da97d1&tw=1&ts=10

This is one such example.
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>>16245143
Always
t. 3rd dan stuck at 1500R
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http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016121215gm-0089-0000-630383a9&tw=1
naisu fucking geimu, it's like I really am a magic lesbian
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>>16247309
>shimocha with 400 points while toimen dies

He must be relieved as fuck
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>3:0
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>>16245892
We are barely hanging onto the live drama's cringe.
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Post your beautiful hands.
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>>16248940
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>that guy that calls kan during a dealer riichi

Thanks for the ura
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I'm aware that Imgur.com will stop allowing adult images since 15th of May. I'm taking actions to backup as much data as possible.
Read more on this topic here - https://archived.moe/talk/thread/1694/


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