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So I've been thinking recently about scanning some of my Touhou doujinshi but I'm apprehensive about uploading it.

Problem is I don't want my scans to be propagated throughout the internet and I know I'm not the only one hit with this issue. Most people are at the very least ok with publicizing translations. However, raw scans are another thing entirely. Were the fandom more active in terms of translations I'd just send off my scans to a translation group and be on my way. This is what the Chinese fandom does (though they also scavenge scans from all corners of the internet; it’s all take and no give). This is what the doujinshi-loving fujoshi fandom used to do in the early 2000s on the shit that is livejournal before the shit that is tumblr existed. This sort of thing is not all that uncommon. From the perspective of someone who only wants to consume content and is an outsider in relation to these isolated communities this closed-off attitude used to piss me off back in the day and it still does today. I do, however, understand their reasoning. The primary goal of these communities is to avoid is the act of hurting the original creator's sales on the Japanese side while still supporting the fandom within their own locality. The locality of the English speaking community actually reaches out to the entire western world due to English being one of the more generally known languages. This is why you see many translators who know more than just Japanese and English choose to translate in English. It reaches a larger audience than, say, French or even Spanish. Japanese is the other language that ties us all together, albeit on a lesser scale since less know it.

There is currently an extremely small chance of my stuff being translated due to little of it being porn (which is easy to translate, you just need to be fluent in English and for it to sound right) or having enough shipping content that the yuri-only translators would want to jump on. Also Gaku is slow and oddly random. And if I were to post my scans there there is a high chance of them going places I don’t want. As I said earlier entire western fanbase pretty much relies on raw scans or English translations of said scans that usually appear on sadpanda and whatnot. There's also Danbooru. But going back to the main issue, all of these sites are easily accessed by Japanese fans and the creators themselves. In the end what should be done? Further hurt creators or be a closed-off shit and not share my treasures?

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TL;DR:
I'd just like to ask for opinions on this topic; is there any other option for scanners that doesn’t hurt original creators out there? Were any of my collection older than 5 years or porn I'd just say fuck it, scan it, and upload it to sadpanda.

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Also what’s everyone's opinion on scanning/uploading novels? There are a couple R-18 ones I've had my eyes on for a while. Is it worth the time? The hope of a translation is 0% and there usually are no images. How many out there would be willing to read a 200p sad story about Marisa being raised as a sex slave and getting her virginity taken by a dog?
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>I don't want my scans to be propagated throughout the internet
Fucking capitalist.
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>>15976446
There isn't really an easy answer, since there isn't really a site that Japanese fans can't access.
And, at the end of the day, are you really even hurting sales that much by uploading a creator's works? The people who primarily use Sad Panda and the like are likely people who are unlikely to purchase doujinshi in the first place, and people who purchase doujinshi are very unlikely to stop simply because things are uploaded on the Panda. If anything, it serves as free advertisement for people who both browse panda and purchase doujinshi, at least in my opinion. People who find artists that they really like on Sad Panda are likely to search out more works by said creator. But, the decision is up to you anon, you can do as you wish.
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>>15976446
Upload to magic archive voile it has chances to get translated since it's a safe only imageboard.

Though its guarranted that someone will reupload on sadpanda anyway no matter where uploaded.
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>>15976446
>Doesn't hurt the original scanners
Of people can't read moonrunes and it gets translated, the people who can't read moonrune will be grateful. If you don't translate, consider your content a "preview" like what >>15976708 said. If people can't pay/ don't know the art/artist, they might check to read the book, get knowledge on the artist, and decide.
If It's a novel, had it been a work safe novel, you'd have a good chance. A NSFW novel has a lesser chance, and a fan novel with what I read in your post? Almost guaranteed that will never be translated.
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>>15977132
Ah, I wasn't talking about getting it translated. I was just wondering if anyone who uses sadpanda would actually read novels regardless if it gets translated. Is it worth the time to scan? These things are very long.
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>>15976446
I think that if you're a fan of an author, you probably have the capability to find and contact the author in some way. Most artists have contact info in their books. My genuine advice is that regardless of the release method/location you decide on, you contact the author and ask if they're okay with uploading their works. Even if you can't communicate yourself, if you're determined enough to do things properly, you can probably find someone willing to middleman for you.

People can talk about how uploading works for free consumption is a way for people to discover the artists and give free advertisement, but that excuse has always been a load of self-serving crap. Ask the individual author whether or not they think that it's acceptable for you to upload publicly so people can discover them; otherwise that excuse is completely empty.

There's also a difference between works that are intended to be reprinted and works that will probably never be released again. The latter is a much easier target for authors to be okay with distributing, and is clearly more ethical to begin with.
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>>15977229
Spotted a capitalist.
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>>15976446
You can always try to recruit individual translators, though I don't know what your chances of that would be. That would require initiative and a bit of salesmanship on your part; most people just throw up the raws and have done.
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>>15976446
>little of it being porn

Stopped reading right there.
You should've just put that as the first sentence and not make me read through all that rambling just to end up being disappointed.

Not porn.
No fucks given.
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>>15977270
>though I don't know what your chances of that would be.
As a translator who once did commission work, I'll just say some obvious things here. There's two factors: how much are you willing to pay and how much does the individual translator care about what you want translated. The more you pay, the more likely a translator is to work with you (like I said, obvious). $10-20 is the average rate for a doujin of 20 some pages so as you approach $100, the chances of something being tl'd approach 100%. But, I'm guessing from OP's post he knows Japanese and just would like to share his stuff with the west, thereby not being someone who really is invested in it being translated. So, he'd have to look for someone who reads it and cares about it. In other words, a translator who focuses on yuri, likes touhou, and doesn't mind the lack of porn. Indeed, low chances.
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>>15979049
>fits every category except learning Japanese
Godammit, time to 24/7 the memrise!
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>>15976446
Bruh, you're talking about doujins from circles that produce profoundly limited runs of their books. Relatively few people outside Japan have the means to purchase these books from the circles themselves, so you're not really taking money from anyone but the stores who capitalize on the secondary market anyway.

Scan them shits.
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>>15979515
>so you're not really taking money from anyone but the stores who capitalize on the secondary market anyway.
There is a very sizeable portion of artists that sell a significant number of books through shops like Melonbooks and Toranoana. Given that they have the resources to secure consign deals with shops after doujin events, these artists are often the ones that 1) don't use their entire print run for the event, 2) are popular enough that people overseas are also interested. Depending on the circles you're talking about, scanning these works can definitely negatively impact the artists expecting consign sales from doujin shops.

If we're talking about truly small circles, that's a different matter, as these circles probably can't secure deals in the first place.
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>>15980804
Neither shop will ship overseas though.
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>>15981822
He's talking about the impact on shop sales. It's not like copies of work uploaded overseas will stay overseas.

Incidentally, while neither used to send to known proxies, Toranoana will now ship to Tenso for you.
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>>15976446
>Also what’s everyone's opinion on scanning/uploading novels? There are a couple R-18 ones I've had my eyes on for a while. Is it worth the time? The hope of a translation is 0% and there usually are no images. How many out there would be willing to read a 200p sad story about Marisa being raised as a sex slave and getting her virginity taken by a dog?

I've scanned a few novels. They're probably only of interest to other people if they have pretty pictures in the middle.

> Also Gaku is slow and oddly random.
It honestly seems to be completely dead at this point.

> is there any other option for scanners that doesn’t hurt original creators out there?
No. Because even if it's sold out, will never be printed again, and the creator won't get a single yen from sales anymore, they still don't want you to. It's really as simple as that. You can email them and politely ask, but if they're doing it themselves, they could probably just release the doujin online on their own, using the original digital files. And a handful of people have done that. Why it's not done for all releases after 5 years of not being for sale is entirely up to the artist.

> Most people are at the very least ok with publicizing translations.
The artist might not agree with that sentiment.
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>>15979049
>In other words, a translator who focuses on yuri, likes touhou, and doesn't mind the lack of porn.
There used to be a lot of people like that but it seems like a lot of secondary interest has really died off. If I were a little better at Japanese I'd inquire myself, but I'm still somewhere south of what would make a good translator.

>>15981910
>It honestly seems to be completely dead at this point.
Looking at the comics by release page on the Touhouwiki is actually pretty staggering. In just two years the output drops to basically nothing.
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>>15981899
Melonbooks does as well, just ordered a bunch of Reitaisai stuff from them.
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>>15980804
>>15981899
>>15981822
All true.
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