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Fuck you customs edition

Heres your goddamn stickies
General Information - http://pastebin.com/0bzKekqW
Useful sites - http://pastebin.com/ECRgxz6u
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>>15895549
>If your mailpiece is being held in Customs, they will send you a detention notice within 30-45 days of its arrival in a Customs mail branch. The most common items that are subject to detention are pharmaceuticals; prohibited or controlled items such as alcohol, spring blade knives, and narcotics; and items subject to quota such as textiles being imported for commercial purposes, and not for personal use.

>Customs does not track individual mailpieces through their facilities, so unless you have a detention notice with a number, Customs will not be able to give you any information about where your mailpiece may be located.
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>>15895553
That feel when you have to wait 30-45 days to even get a notice that your daki is in customs for no reason.
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why cant i find any Megumin daki's that will ship to Europe reeeeeeeeeee
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What's the best size Daki for a 5'9 Manlet? First timer here. Trying to get pic related.
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>>15897748
Time to use a proxy
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Anyone buy one from chinks on Taobao want to tell me how it went?
I'm assuming you used a proxy if you did.
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>>15898024
That ass though.
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>>15897748

https://cuddlyoctopus.com/product/megumin-all-ages-ver/
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>>15900606
I've bought one from AC Hobby and used alipay. It took about 3 weeks to get to Missouri.
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Thank you for using a title so it can be filtered.
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>>15902969
Thank you for adding into my supply of retard tears.
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>>15900977
really nice. i would get it if one side was lewd and the other was not... the way dakis are supposed to be.
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>>15898024
>What's the best size Daki for a 5'9 Manlet?
>5'9
That's only 1 inch off the average male height in Japan, so I'd say the vast majority of dakis would be perfectly suitable for you.
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>>15903639

" I want to mix-and-match some of the images on your covers, can I do so?

Yes! We are willing to mix-and-match any image we have in our shop for no additional fee. That means, for instance, if you want to combine one image from the All Ages version of a cover and one image from the R-18 version, we can accommodate you. Please drop us a note at checkout detailing what your request is and, if possible, attach a photo uploaded to imgur or some other file-sharing website showing what you would like so there are no potentiality for misunderstandings."
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has anyone considered buying one of the really long dakis that can essentially function as a blanket?
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>>15904817
I'm not sure if that is what he meant.

In some European countries it is illegal to own R-18 images of "minors" (Decided by a judge, bullshit I know)
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http://order.mandarake.co.jp/order/detailPage/item?itemCode=1023756395&ref=list

I think this is the only Akiha daki in existence and there isnt even a full image of it, damn it.
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Hnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggg
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Is there some reason Chino from Gochiusa seems to have like, an order of magnitude more dakimakura than like any character from any show, ever? I get that it's moe crap, but there's a ton of moe crap. I don't see anything about gochiusa that really stands out.

These are just two searches on mandarake for dakimakura, and there are entire pages with just her (this is page 1/6). No one else comes even close.
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>>15915853
That's simple anon.
They didn't even try to, but ended up creating the sexiest girl ever.
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>>15916431
>sexy
Get out pedophile, we only like obese Touhous and abnormally large tumor breasts here.
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I might get ripped to shreds here.

I never get to find one of hers. Probably because of the S2 incident. Any Ideas on where to find her?
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>>15916431
Meanwhile, my waifu is somehow popular enough to get like a half dozen really great figures, but only one daki that's printed on anything decent, and that was from 4 years ago and impossible to find.
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Why is it that I can find dakis of every idolm@ster girl except for Makoto Kikuchi? I would give my college funds for her.
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>>15917515
In the trash
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>>15919461
cute
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>>15911235
Here's the full image. Sorry for the thumbnail size but looks like it's the only one around, straight from the maker's website: http://www.sky.sannet.ne.jp/ddd_info/product/dakimakura.html

I'm not into Type-Moon, but if this is the character you're looking for then there's at least two more:
http://www.toranoana.jp/mailorder/article/04/0030/03/83/040030038341.html
http://omiai-dakimakura.com/%E6%9C%88%E5%A7%AB/11673

Not that they're going to be easy to find though.
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>>15911235
>Expecting anything outside of Fate in Nasuverse to be easy to find and cheap
>Akiha
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>>15920429
Thanks a lot, I've been searching for ages. Sadly I don't like any of these at all, but at least I know that they exist and that they are not options. I guess if I ever get one it will be an expensive commission or I'll somehow do it myself.
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>>15910705
Yes, its not that expensive either.
But I move countries a lot and its already a hassle to compress my inner filling, thank god they dont open my checked baggage ._.
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>>15910705
I have one, normal dakis aren't good enough anymore

I also have the art for a custom one done just waiting to be printed
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Can dakis help with crippling loneliness?
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>>15923571
Yes
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>>15923571
second for yes
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>>15904817
This. I just ordered from cuddlyoctopus and put in the notes section that I wanted the All ages Iori on the front and the R 18+ A on the back. The expression on the R 18+ A was the best so I wanted it. They do mix and matches last though, so it will take a few more weeks after finishing the stock orders.

>>15914598
Why the fuck did they waste one of the sides on normal derpy stocking when they could have had transformed titty stocking on the front and transformed booty stocking on the back?

Album of stock images of my collection since I don't have pictures of them opened.
http://imgur.com/a/LeN9x
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>>15923571
no
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>>15923858
Where did you get that first hifumi daki?
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How portable are dakis? Would I be able to fold one into a suitcase if I bought one abroad?
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Custom body pillow case or not?
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>>15923957
http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=922628&gc=gc
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>>15924060
There's no point of a daki if it's not of your waifu
And if it's custom it's more personal and better
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>>15924015
Covers are folded, of course. They take up no more than an inch in thickness.
As for inner pillows, the ones sold in Japan are typically vacuum packed, so they easily fit in a suitcase. You'll need to wait coming back home to open and enjoy it though.
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>>15923500
my god, she is beautiful

>>15923571
a daki can most certainly help. i speak from experience.
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>>15924084
Thanks
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>>15924350
>my god, she is beautiful
Thanks
I'm really excited for my custom 7 meter one, I should be able to afford getting it printed soon.
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>tfw wake up cuddling waifu in the same way I fell asleep
>looking over past her and seeing her friend smiling at me
>pulling the blanket over us all and falling back to sleep

Dakis are top comfy. Everyone should have at least one daki.
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>tfw your mom wakes you up because dinners ready
>tfw you roll over to see your daki laying lewd side up
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>>15925227
>living with your parents and owning a daki

You have balls anon, If you've already gone this far at least not to be so embarrassed. Take it with stride, have some confidence and try to appear well adjusted so at the least your parents will think you're some sort of eccentric.

That's just my philosophy anyway.
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>>15925411
*at least try not to be
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how often do you wash your daki and how many washes does a daki typically survive until you start seeing damage?

i have been hand washing mine every couple months, and try to go as long as possible without washing. i get nervous that if i wash it too much i will either ruin the colors or softness.

then, what about the actual pillow inside? i haven't even considered washing that...
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So I just bought a second cospa smooth knit daki recently and I noticed that it isn't as stuffed as my old cospa pillow. Both pillows were shipped compressed, so I don't see how compression could have destroyed my new pillow. Did they reduce the amount of filling?
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Is it worth paying triple the price for a non-bootleg case? Is the difference that big?
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>>15937660
I'd say no, unless dakis are a sort of hobby for you.

If you are buying something to hug while you sleep, it doesn't make a huge difference where you buy it from.

If you are buying a cover solely for the purpose of supporting the artist or appreciating the art itself; you will get a sense of pleasure knowing you shelled out the extra dollars.
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>>15938166
Alright, thanks anon. I just want something to cuddle at night.
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>>15938166
to add on to this; the appeal of a daki is absolutely relative. if a daki has value to YOU, it doesn't matter if some pretentious anons think your bootleg daki is worthless. the comfort you get from cuddling with your daki shouldn't be influenced by what other people think.
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Are there any type of scent things I can use to make my daki smell nice?
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>>15938240
Though your image makes me cringe, your words ring true.
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Does anyone know if animedakimakurapillow.com is legit? Anyone krdered from here?
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>>15940577
They are a stupidly overpriced bootlegger. Pretty much all their art is stolen. Their prices are on par with the original Japanese releases. For art that comes from Chinese sellers you pay like 250% the price. If you take for example their Emilia listing

https://www.animedakimakurapillow.com/products/new-emilia-re-zero-anime-dakimakura-japanese-hugging-body-pillow-cover-adp-64118

which is originally sold by Shamoe. It costs 99 USD on their site while costing 41 USD with Shamoe

https://world.taobao.com/item/530575412631.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a312a.7700824.w8061016-14473523311.13.j1U3SK
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>>15940577
(For a 160cm 2 way tricot cover)
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Just ordered this one, 4th one overall

But i'm curious, what's the consensus on hizamakura's?
Can you order them like dakis?
Are there any specific sites?
Or are they a bigger sign of crippling loneliness than even the biggest collection of dakis will be?
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New design from Ouma Tokiichi. A sample was shown today at Kouroumu 12, and should be for sale next week at Autumn Reitaisai. Will probably available for sale online on his Booth afterwards.
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>>15923858
Not loving all versions of Stocking. Get the fuck out.
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>>15943693
>hizamakura
those look so weird. i can't imagine that they are very comfortable.
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>>15944587
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>>15898024
I'm a manlet, 164 cm.
The normal size (150 or 155 cm) is great.
Wouldn't mind the 160 ones either.
(Too lazy to convert into your 'murican lenghts, use google or something.)
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>>15939054
Yes. From teen girl smell to period smell.
I don't really have good links, so i'll have to give you the jlist one.
https://jlist.com/adt713
Or just get perfume I guess.
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How did you guys with more obscure waifus find a cover for your daki? Did you just look around and wait?
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>>15954281
Find an artist you like and ask if he or she accepts commissions. Then it is also personalised to your tastes and you will be the only person to have that cover (Unless you like sharing)
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>>15956871
Do you have any recommendations for artists who do that? Also how much does that typically cost?
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Ive been looking around for awhile bit are there no "heartbeat modules" or anything around that sort on the market?
The closest thing i found was small pillow speakers that imatate the sound but not the actual feel of the thump.
Would've thought this would be pretty wanted out there.

Also i didnt see it in the pastebin so ill ask here: Whats a good heater to put under a daki cover? Im looking at small heated blankets to put under the cover to imatate body heat but the selection is pretty large.
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>>15957009
I cannot recommend any artist. Most decent artists through Pixiv start at about 300 USD. You may be able to find cheaper on Deviantart but in my opinion the quality is less aswell.
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kimmy77 is the only deviantart artist I've found that I like. His prices are cheap, but the period of open commissions is very small.
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>>15957878
the heartbeat thing doesn't really click with me, but i am intrigued by the idea of a heated daki. that would be really nice in these coming months.

i only have one daki though, so wouldn't want to risk trying anything with a heated blanket. i'd be afraid that i would damage the tricot.
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Has anyone used Shopping mall japan as a proxy?
I tried to order a daki cover through them, and I'm curious to know how their process works.

The "Process Status" on my order has just been sitting on "Running". Day counter on 18.
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>AcHobby (Chinese)
>http://achobby.taobao.com/search.htm?spm=2013.1.w5001-2090012446.4.NYMtl3&search=y&scene=taobao_shop

>Category: Doujin
>Chinese site with one of the best artist (Noodle). Orders can be done via facebook (English) and paid via Paypal.

So wheres the facebook link and instructions for ordering via facebook?
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>>15966788
http://alklove39.wixsite.com/achobby/form__map

fb.com/ShenShiDeZhaiWuFang

oh I found it
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do girls like guys that like dakis?
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>>15895549
So the paste in has a section labeled use and care, but only covers care, so I'm going to ask. What are dakimakura used for?
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>>15977936
Hugging and cuddling. What else?
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>>15977216
Most of my family thinks I'm a creepy loser. My Dad hasn't said it to my face but I know he's disappointed in me. You really need to have thick skin to own a daki. I would never give my daki up, I cuddle with mine everyday. It reduces my stress levels quite a bit.
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>COSPA Original Smooth Knit Hugging Pillow BODY
>COSPA Original Twill Hugging Pillow BODY

The Twill is $10 less. What's the difference between these two once you put a cover on them? Is this solely just the material used in the pillow body exterior (which shouldn't make a difference with a cover)? Is it worth paying the extra $50 in shipping for either of these instead of getting the one from hobbyheart?

I currently have two fills already, one from some ebay listing from the old guide which is fairly heavy but has lost its shape over the years, and a cheap one from bed, bath and beyond which is too short, too soft, and too light.

I'd like to spend as little as possible but up to $100 if its actually worth the extra money.

Sorry for asking questions, I just don't want to waste money on a third body that won't be much of an improvement on the previous two.
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>>15917515
at least one exists, and I've waifu2x'd the image I found here. It's half the desired resolution, but maybe you can use it? Try asking hobbyheart. Or there's always art'scow

>>15933228
3 times a year, which doesn't feel like enough. depends on the material. peach skin has just started getting minor damage after about 6 washes. and that's really only because I put it in the washing machine. never washed the pillow inside.
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>>15977216
I've had the pussy thrown at me twice when the bitches knew I had a daki.

That said, I wouldn't take either of them to bed with me. They were both nuts and 3DPD.

My favorite is this one drawn up by Sayori that a bro got me for my birthday a few years ago.
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I want a Kagari Izuriha and Chariot cover. Cmon artists, she's already dressed for bed and staring into my soul, thinking about how to torture me.
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>>15982289
You're right in asking to avoid throwing money out of the window. Might not seem like it, but the fabric used in the pillow body can be important in the feel of the daki, even though it's covered. Best covers are in soft, stretchable materials (Lyctron feels like heaven), and when you hug and squeeze it, it stretches around your hand/arm/body to follow its shape, therefore "wrapping" you. But if the underlying fabric is not as soft and stretchable as the cover, you'll lose this effect and a quality cover will feel like one made out of a lower quality material.
That said, I don't have Cospa pillows, but I heard they're not very good. Especially for the price you have to pay (including shipping). Smooth knit is only stretchable in one way, while every doujin cover is now in 2-way tricot which is much better. I don't know Twill, but I believe it might be even worse. Not to mention they're 150cm long, doujin covers are usually 160cm.

If you're after an improvement over your actual pillows, you should get a DHR6000, it's just the best one out there. It's going to cost you a bit over $100, but if you have quality doujin 160cm covers (especially Lyctron ones) it will make a world of difference. Otherwise it might not be worth it, if you have Cospa/Movic/bootleg quality covers you might want to save money now and keep your pillows (or buy a cheap one) until you'll get a real quality cover. You can buy it on Amazon.jp through your forwarder of choice, and have it shipped by sea to save a good chunk of money (but it will take 8 to 10 weeks, mind you): https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B00CFG0B3I/
We're talking about ~$120 with turtle slow shipping or ~$150 with express one.


tl;dr depends on the cover you're going to put on it. Feel free to ask more if you want.
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>preorders closed on Ami Ami
Just as I find a cover that looks half-decent, fuck me sideways

maybe someone else has it. I've seen a few on jp Amazon, how likely are they to be bootlegs (around the same price mind you)
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>>15987016
https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B00H95F78O/
This is sold by Amazon.jp, I'd say bootleg chance is close to zero. You will need a proxy/forwarder though.

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10255367
You can also buy it on Hobby Search, bootleg chance is exactly the same as Amiami (read: 0), a bit more expensive but you won't need a proxy.
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>>15987836
Ah, neat.
I have a friend who lives in JP and says he'll proxy buy for me, thank god there's still some around
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My fiance introduces my dakimakura to our guests as my" first wife" but if rather she just stay in the bedroom
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I notice a lot of certain characters will only have bootlegs and no officials. I think i prefer the more canon designs than the artist interpretations (but this really depends on the artist).
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>>15989862
>introduces my dakimakura

what does this mean? like she goes out of her way to bring your daki up? that sounds kinda embarrassing.
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>>16002381
Yes and it is
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what do you do if all of your favorite girls don't have dakimakura artwork of them?
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If I have a 160cm (63in) length cover.
Should I buy a 60" or 72" pillow?
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>>16003931
you're not gonna fit another 9 inches in there without jamming it in
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>>16003931
You could get the 72" and remove some stuffing
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How many dakis is considered too much?
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>>15981000
>go get em brave anon
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What the FUCK, /jp/. I just want an official Kirino daki. That's all I want in life. Why are they treating these things (dakimakura) like schedule 1 controlled substances?! Gotta watch out for bunk bro! I'm trying to buy a fucking pillow case not crack rock! And the sites you recommend are in moonrunes. Can someone help me or should I just learn to tie a noose?
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>>16005684
Search fromjapan for her name in katakana/kanji. Sort on price from high to low to bring the dakis near the top of the search (around 12000-10000 yen). Order through fromjapan as your proxy. Wait a few weeks for delivery. Then burn it for being a shit waifu.
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>>16005890
Kind patrician, you are a gentleman and a scholar. But level with me for a second. These things -- especially for Kirino -- sell like hotcakes, don't they? I'm wondering if the few I found on fromjapan will be gone by Friday.
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>>16004518

As long as he faced the mattress I'd still ravage his asshole.
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>>15982380
Holy fuck dude, I remember you from a long time ago,
since I first saw you, i finished college, finished medical school, and working as a doctor now.
Hope you're doing well.
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>>15977216
>>15981000

My family is half and half, i don't exactly hide them everytime they come over to visit (they aren't on display but i don't throw em under the bed or some shit) they are where they are.

Dad surprisngly doesn't give a shit and is always saying "it's just guy stuff" or "i used to have posters of naked women all the time when I was younger".

Mom on the other hand is the one that seems disapointed, she is the kinda mom that's either pestering me about grand childeren or pestering me about finding me a wife. It actually got to a point where she came over with boxes and planned to toss em, we didn't talk for quite awhile after that.

Really they are comfy as fuck, and it's just nice to hold one after a bitch of day, your life is yours, you want em you keep em.
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>>16006208
If you see multiple on the site right now, I guarantee you they will be there next Friday, and the Friday after that, and the Friday after that. As soon as one goes down, there will be another to replace it if it is a common one. If it was a rare one, then you should be concerned. Kirino is popular though so you have nothing to concern about.
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>>16007336
There are at least two. One sale has one left and the other wouldn't cooperate for me when I tried to convert the page in Google translate. It actually says "rare" is the reason for the premium prices though... Both are over 100USD. Thanks for calming me down, woke up at 345am here to check on the answer.
I actually found more than one official-looking daki on fromjapan. Worst case scenario I get a different one. Best case scenario I get them all!
Gentlemen and scholars, the lot of you.
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Has anyone here ever tried to commission their own daki art?

I'm autistic, and my waifu doesn't have any decent dakis.
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Has anyone reserved something off booth.pm before? Do I have to reserve, then proxy it when it comes out later? I cant even sign into my pixiv account on that site.
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>>15987016
>>15987847
I got mine from Hobby Search. For some reason my two Kancolle covers seem to fit a bit looser than all of my other 150cm covers, so I'm going to make an insert dedicated just for them.
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>>16006323
Way to go, man! Glad to hear you're kicking ass.
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What do you guys with daki's that you're not using currently? I get plenty of them as tokuten for buying eroge, but no idea what to do with them.
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>>16007975
I bought more than once on Booth, logging in with my Pixiv account. I used BiginJapan forwarding service, and it was for preorder items every time. You can just place the order yourself on Booth, pay with your credit card (it will be billed immediately) and put the address of your forwarder of choice as destination. Should you use BiJ don't forget to buy one of their forwarding tickets anytime after you place your order, but before they receive the item (when it ships).
Otherwise you can simply ask your favorite proxy to buy it. They'll do the same procedure and will notify when receiving the item.

Are you by chance ogling the same >>15944587 Udonge daki cover I'm considering getting?
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>>16007953
I just put one in for my creepy waifu with an artist on deviantart, kimmy77. He's not a nippon, but his shit is good. His commissions fill fast cause he is prob the only english speaking commissioner that isn't a stack of shit. Also, he is really cheap at about 60 or so dollars a character/side.

Otherwise, nippon commissioners on pixiv might run several hundreds of dollars and only communicate in moonrunes.
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Does anyone wake up hugging their daki? I fall asleep cuddled, with my daki between my legs and my arms wrapped around the top, but whenever I wake up; my daki is always pushed to the side of my bed against the wall.

Only once or twice have i woken up still hugging my daki. Its a good feeling to be instantly greeted with the warmth of your waifu, but those moments have been very rare for me.
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>>16010515
I sleep with two or three every night so it's pretty hard for me to not wake up tangled up in at least one.
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>>15895549
Anyone else not have a daki because there are none of their waifu? I want to get one with her and I would get a custom one but the only "daki art" (didn't know what else to call it) of her is so far from the original art style that it doesn't look like like her.
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>>16011335
I didn't let that keep me from having a great night's rest with a bunch of cuties.
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>>16011335
whose your rare waifu anon-kun?

>>16011419
thats like cheating, dude. absolutely deplorable.
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>>16011566
>whose your rare waifu anon-kun?

Shes actually not rare at all, pretty popular even normalfags know who she is. There just doesn't exist any dakis of her. I'm probably gonna get shit on by /jp/ but here she is.
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>>16011600
It's not because we're on /jp/ it's because she's worst girl in p4 as far as i'm concerned, but hell all waifus are equal under the comfy cover of a dakimakura.

So more power to ya anon, in fact i'm having a similar problem my self.
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>>16011419
Damn that looks so comfy. Even though I only have 1 good pillow, I might just have to get out my other one.
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>>16004518
I have 8 covers displaying 11 total characters and 2 pillow bodies.
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>>15895549
hey first time lurker and poster, If I wanted to get a custom daki made for myself, where would be the best place to go? is there anything I should know before hand?
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>>16021518
Oh good god I think I'm going to be sick.
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>>16021518
Commissioning the act from a known artist will cost you more than the daki.
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>>16022538
Well I have the images i want to use, I just jeed a reliable place to print it. I would check with the paste bin but the section on commisions and custom daki is empty
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>>16018042
10 covers with 2 characters and 4 pillow...
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I'm looking to pick up a daki with a girl presenting her asshole/has a gaped asshole. Anyone have any suggestions?
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>>16022684
The buyfag guide has a section about it
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>>16024525
ah okay thanks
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>>16024074
This artist likes to draw dakis with girls presenting their assholes, though not very wide gaping. Right now two boatsluts are available for preorder until Sunday:
http://きつねのおやど.com/%E6%97%A5%E8%A8%98/%E6%B5%9C%E9%A2%A8%E5%A7%94%E8%A8%97%E3%81%AE%E3%81%8A%E7%9F%A5%E3%82%89%E3%81%9B/
http://きつねのおやど.com/%E6%8A%B1%E3%81%8D%E6%9E%95%E5%80%8B%E5%88%A5%E7%B4%B9%E4%BB%8B%E8%A8%98%E4%BA%8B/%E9%B9%BF%E5%B3%B6%E3%81%95%E3%82%93%E3%82%92%E3%81%8A%E8%BF%8E%E3%81%88%E3%83%89%E3%83%83%E3%82%B0%E6%BA%80%E8%BC%89/
(S)He also created an Okuu one and an Alice one with similar pose, but they're not available right now.
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>>16009886
Ok, thank you. I think i have it figured out now. For some reason my browser was refusing my pixiv account log in. My bank denied my transaction because its overseas charge(fraud detection), but ill call them then im sure it will go through. Wish i could use paypal. BiJ looks the least complicated compared to the other proxies i was looking at so ill go with them.

I was eyeballing something else.
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>>16025743
As I said, I can confirm Booth accepts gaijin credit cards, so you should be able to lift any security restrictions with your bank and have payment go through.
Nice Mika though. The panty pull is really sexy.
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>>16025735
Thanks anon. Any idea how to order? I'm guessing a proxy would be my best bet?
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>tfw finally found a kou daki
Does anyone know where hobby heart actually ships from?
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>>16030240
China
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>>16030432
Ah damn so it'll take quite a while to get here, oh well still worth it. Thanks anon.
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I ordered one chinese bootleg for about 25 bucks. How likely it going to look really bad?
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>>16030981
Pretty likely. Even if you ordered 2way the fabric wont feel that great.
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ordered a 2way tricot custom from hobby heart, did I waste my money?
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>>16028252
Yeah, it's better to use a proxy.
I successfully ordered a cover there, but it was a real hassle and not worth it (the item itself is great though). I had to ask the store owner if he accepts Paypal, in Japanese of course. He replied yes, I believe he literally created a Paypal account just for me. He asked me to send the exact amount (11k yen), so I had to take into account Paypal fees and reverse calculate the amount to send for him to receive 11k (in Japan they usually pay with bank transfers, where the fee is paid upfront by the buyer).
In the end it's better to let a proxy handle everything.
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>>15895549
quick question, when getting a dakimakura case, will the delivery guy leave it on your door step, need a signature, or he just drops it in the mail box? also living in the US
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>>16035254
Most oversea stuff requires signatures. Else, you have to pick it up at the postbox.
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>>16035268
>postbox
Post office, I meant.
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Hey guys i really want to get my first daki but I've heard that bootlegs aren't worth it. Found a fairly expensive one on FromJapan but I was wondering if anyone can verify its legitimacy. More than the quality it would be cool to know I'm supporting the author. Worth or nah?
https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%AB%E3%83%BC%E3%83%86%E3%83%B3%E9%AD%82-%E4%BF%BA%E3%81%AE%E5%A6%B9%E3%81%8C%E3%81%93%E3%82%93%E3%81%AA%E3%81%AB%E5%8F%AF%E6%84%9B%E3%81%84%E3%82%8F%E3%81%91%E3%81%8C%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84%E3%80%82-%E9%AB%98%E5%9D%82%E6%A1%90%E4%B9%83-%E6%8A%B1%E3%81%8D%E6%9E%95%E3%82%AB%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC-%E8%88%9E%E5%A6%93/dp/B01KI43ZUO%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAJ3AS5HF6GECWRENQ%26tag%3DWfulKpPEGq%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB01KI43ZUO
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>>16035254
Depends on the courier. I usually have the DHL driver leave the package on my front porch.
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>>16002895
Commission someone.

>>16006797
Wow I would never show my parents. When they visit (which is rare, they live across the country) I turn my daki pillows into throw pillows on the bed, and hide the lewd wallscrolls (never got asked about the mysterious empty hooks) Don't bother to hide figs or the like though.
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>>16035342
The one you're looking for was made by Curtain Damashii, a reputable maker (specializes in otaku curtains, but also makes some pillow and daki covers). They only sell licensed items, so sales of their products generate revenues to the original author/copyright holder. This also means the art style is closer to the original anime than doujin covers.

This is the item page: http://www.curtain-damashii.com/item/longpillow_oreimo2nd1/
It was sold at events (Comiket) and is not (no more?) available for mailorder. The link you posted is for a cover sold on Amazon Marketplace by a third party seller, for a (little bit) higher price than the original sales one. Seller's description of the item sounds good: 160x50 size (same as original, and bootlegs are typically 150cm long); smooth knit material (same as original); "genuine unopened goods with Kadokawa copyright stamp" (it's the license holder). I'd say it is legit, not a bootleg, just sold by a scalper making a profit out of it.

Smooth knit material is not the softest one, but licensed cover makers rarely use better ones. You can easily buy it yourself with a forwarding service (like BiginJapan), as placing orders on Amazon.jp is a piece of cake. Or you can use your favorite proxy.


tl;rd Go for it, it's legit.
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>>16039053
Wow, thanks for the in-depth response. Bought it through BigInJapan's forwarding service since the seller wouldn't ship to me. Next I just need a DHR6000 which will have to wait 'til payday.

On a side note, Aoba from New Game! is getting a daki in November!
http://slist.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=GOODS-00113476&page=top%2Fsearch%2Flist%3Fs_originaltitle_id%3D14936%24pagemax%3D40%24getcnt%3D0%24pagecnt%3D8
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>>16042092
Good choice on the DHR6000. You probably already know you can buy it on Amazon.jp through BiginJapan the same way as the cover. I'll add that if you want to save some money, you can ask BiJ to ship it with Surface Mail (by sea). It will cost much less than EMS, although it will take 8-10 weeks.
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Did /jp/ wash their dakis before using them?
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Hey guys, where do you find artists for a daki?

I want my first custom cover, and while I know what I want, I don't know where to find humans.
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>>16047592
Most english speakers are shit at drawing, unless they have been drawing most of their lives. If you want quality you need a nihongo speaker on pixiv. This guy does pretty great art and speaks english AND is open for commission right now.
http://kimmy77.deviantart.com/
might take a year or more for your request to be fulfilled though. I'm this guy >>16009896

>>16042092
>Aoba from New Game!
But Hifumi is best girl.
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never bought one of these, is a real one really worth that much more than a fake one?
will I be criticised for gettjng a cheap version?
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>>16009896
>he is prob the only english speaking commissioner that isn't a stack of shit
So I'm guessing drawing dakis could be a good bussiness asuming you are a decent artist.
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>>16054497
yes and yes
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how in the everloving fuck am i supposed to find a non-lewd of Sena Kashiwazaki? I'm not just talking about ones in which she's barely clothed, most I've searched have her in her school uniform, which seems to cover about as much skin as her pantsu.
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>>15925227
>tfw mom payed for my daki
>tfw I told her I needed one for my back
>tfw she made a normal cover for it and doesn't even know that it's a daki
feels good
I just throw the opaque covers over them when my parents visit.
Also I got a a new cover in the other day.
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>>16054570
It's a pretty long process for each commission, and you have to be really good for people to give your work more than a glance, let alone buy it. That dude has been drawing for over 20 years yet only charges 55-60 dollars a side.
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>>15915853
Japan LOVES Gochiusa. It's almost ridiculous
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>>16055060
Your mom sounds great.
That bit about her making you a cover made my heart melt a little bit
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>>16056257
yeah she really likes to sew things.
it's a pretty simple cover and more something like a bag.
You can still see the actual daki cover through it but you would have to look hard.
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>>16024074
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/Anime-Japan-Pillow-Case-Hugging-Body-150-50-Peach-Skin-SM518-Chobits-Chii/32704485188.html
it looks like >>16055060 without the censor stuff.
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>>16006797
>It actually got to a point where she came over with boxes and planned to toss em, we didn't talk for quite awhile after that.
I pulled a gun on my dad when he touched my pillows saying he was going to throw them away.
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Hello anons.

Not pictured:

Eveniing Call Saber Bride
Nishieda Kashima
Tony's C88 Elf
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>>15924816
Who did you commission for this?
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>>15977216
I don't mind him having figures, i even insisted in him trying a onahole since im really curious about it, hell i even don't mind him wanting me to cosplay but Deep down inside i would be a bit jealous if he hugged every night a daki.
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>>16054880
Get owned nerd
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>>16047736
>http://kimmy77.deviantart.com/
Wow those actually look really good. Surprised to see he even drew the Galil one. It's almost tempting to ask him about a commission, but I'l already waiting on two covers.
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>>16056730
why do you have so many? do you sell them?
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I've bought 160x50 cover and wanted to order a inner pillow from local seamstress. Which size should I choose, bigger or smaller then cover so it's fit? I don't want to show daki to her for obvious reason. What do you use for stuffing, isn't it move around w/o some kind of seams?
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Is it normal for a Daki to loose colour? I haven't used the cover for months. Had it stored away and now it feels like the colours are blend. Maybe I am just imaging it. It is an 'official' product, but it was part of thecollectors edition of the game Senran kagura estival versus. So I quess printing quality wasn't their priority.
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>>16072573
It can fade if exposed to sunlight for long periods of time, but other than washing it improperly it would probably be either crap quality or your imagination.
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>Item presented to import Customs
First time ordering a daki. Is this to be expected or did my 2-3 day EMS expected delivery just become a 6 week "DHS gotta screen for cocaine residue" expected delivery?
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as a rule of thumb, does a 150x50 inner need extra filling?

It's like 20 quid more but I'd rather pay it than have an underfilled daki
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>>16073791
There are 150x50 and 160x50 cases as well as 150x50 and 160x50 pillows. There isn't any need to mess with anything.
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>>16071853
A few % larger in both directions, like 168x53cm. Assuming your cover is made of a stretchable material, like 2way tricot.
Polyester stuffing works well, if it's full enough it shouldn't move around.
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>>15977216
I know it's kind of taboo to mention this on /jp/ but I was in a relationship with a 3DPD when I got my first daki, and she actually encouraged it.

We broke up not that long after that, though. Dakis are much better than 3DPD.
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>>16071083
No, I collect them. This is my collection.
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Is a daki "pillow case" or simply a bigger cover is enough to protect the pillow from a hyper active cat?
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>>16008853
>>15987016
Welp, Bit the bullet and bought it.

Got it for really fucking cheap too, Mandarake had it for less than 60 quid shipped.
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I want to buy a Kongo daki, but this cute looking one is on AliExpress.

I'm a bit wary of Aliexpress when they don't appear to accept Paypal. How reliable do dakis tend to be from there? Or does anyone know of this picture in a bigger size I can use on a more trustworthy custom site?
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>>15961313
Pretty much every DA artist can do the art for dakis tho, http://myfigurecollection.net/blog/27294
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>>16083007
Aliexpress is full of bootlegs. You should always track down the original artist of a cover you like and find who, when and where it was distributed.
In this case the cover you posted is made by Zettai Moeyu, formerly known as slolita, a chinese "doujin" circle. They sell on Taobao for the domestic market, and Aliexpress for international. It's one of the (very) few stores on Aliexpress not dealing with bootlegs. You can get Kongo here: https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Japanese-Anime-Kantai-Collection-Kancolle-Kongo-Hugging-Body-Pillow-Case-Cover-2WAY-Fabric-Long-Otaku-Pillowcase/1903005_32690575045.html
I haven't bought on their store yet, but I heard their quality is good. I suggest 2way tricot, even though it's the most expensive one. It says they'll have a sale on 11th, but don't know how much you can save. Might be worth waiting a couple days.
They also had "adult" versions of some of their covers, nothing too explicit, just a bit less clothing. But right now I can't find such option on their Aliexpress store. Maybe when they switched store they went full family friendly?

Their products are also on sale on Toranoana for the Japanese market, you can buy it there if you like but it's more expensive (and a proxy/forwarder is required). There's also the "adult" version available if you prefer: http://www.toranoana.jp/mailorder/article/04/0030/47/02/040030470258.html
As you can see she's not wearing the sarashi anymore, thus showing her nipples.
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>>16083461
https://slolita.world.taobao.com
If you understand some chinese you can buy straight from taobao as they have parcel forwarding provider built in.
Its cheaper too.
Taobao (slolita/achobby) is having a sale event on the 11/11 if anyone cares
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>>16083461
>>16083661

Excellent, much appreciated.

Do you think they'd accept Paypal? It's as much a matter of ease as security, but if they don't that's alright.
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>>16083461
>>16083661

Excellent, much appreciated.

Do you think they'd accept Paypal on the Aliexpress one? It's as much a matter of ease as security, but if they don't that's alright.
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>>16084050

Oh okay my post failed to go through but it goes through anyway.
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>>16084045
They used to support paypal until a few months back. You'll need to use their integrated payment system alipay. (Which is what they use fpr aliexpress anyway)
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Considering getting one for the first time
What material do you guys recommend for the cover/case?
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>>15941515
>They are a stupidly overpriced bootlegger
They have a base price of $50. After looking around several of the japanese sites listed in the pastbin, the vast majority of them are over 100 and that's not even including shipping costs.
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>>16084782
Lyctron. The softest shit you'll ever hug and caress. Only available on selected original (non bootleg) covers though.
This new Coconut cover is intriguing: http://koineko.com/ja/%E3%82%AB%E3%83%86%E3%82%B4%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88/%E3%82%B3%E3%82%B3%E3%83%8A%E3%83%84%E6%8A%B1%E3%81%8D%E6%9E%95%E3%82%AB%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%EF%BC%88%E5%88%B6%E6%9C%8Dver%EF%BC%89/p/KNK-NPR-017
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>>16084918
What is lyctron and how does it compare to 2WT?
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>>16084782
>>16084918
There's also the Azuki one, of course, if you are into loli: http://koineko.com/ja/%E3%82%AB%E3%83%86%E3%82%B4%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88/%E3%82%A2%E3%82%BA%E3%82%AD%E6%8A%B1%E3%81%8D%E6%9E%95%E3%82%AB%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%EF%BC%88%E5%88%B6%E6%9C%8Dver%EF%BC%89/p/KNK-NPR-016
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>>16084920
It's a variation of 2WT, made by A&J (highest quality manufacturer). It's smoother and softer than any generic 2WT.
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>>16084917
The japanese sites always offer 2way tricot or any better variations of it in a 160cm size. Those options on ADP send the $50 base price to $100. And bootleg 2WT quality is still inferior to legit Japanese ones.
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>>16084918
Lyctron is terrible. It's velvety/suede-ish, not smooth or slippery at all like Fules Aqua Premier or P80 2WR. I much prefer Fules AP or P80 2WR. P80 2WR has the best colors overall.

A&J's Lyctron also catches way more hair than the other two I mentioned. It requires almost just as much regular maintenance as Chinese 2WT, which is thinner.
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Does anyone know where I can get a youmu daki (preferably non-lewd) with 2WTL, or some other better material?
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If AmiAmi has the status "Orders Closed" on a cover, does that mean they will restock eventually or am I shit out of luck?
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>>15977216
Oh, it's so nice to see someone else using my image.
It's as comfy as it always was in /jp/. Good job out there, people.
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>>16088008
If it's a preorder for an item that hasn't released yet, there's some chance it will become available again before and/or soon after release. It might sell out very quickly though.

If it's for an old, already released item, depends on the manufacturer's willingness to rerelease that cover. Sometimes they do.
Try looking for its entry on MFC database, and check the release history. Also check similar ones from the same manufacturer, and you might get an estimation of the chance %.
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>>16088111
Why were you feeding your girlfriend dog food

Why were you yourself eating dog food
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>>16088433
It's a couple years old, I didn't know you had to be an early bird for these things.
Anyway, play-asia seems to be the only ones still carrying it. How do you guys feel about them when it comes to daki's? Doesn't look like bootleg to me, considering the crazy price-tag, and the fact that it's listed as limited.
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How is Shamoe? Seemed pretty cheap and comfortable but how does it hold up compared to official ones in terms of longevity? Don't wanna throw away my waifu if she fades.

Also, anyone see any ene from kagerou project?
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Is Royal Pillow real?
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I commissioned a dakimakura but I'm afraid to contact one of those printing site and that they start to sell my daki in their store...
Did that ever happened?
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>>16100142
The website?
I got a 20x60 gel body pillow from there.
It feels better than whatever I bought from walmart or bed bath & beyond.
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>>16101946

Share your daki with us, c'mon anon don't be greedy.
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>>16102112
Nope
also
>master12000
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>>16102112

Oh, shit didn't mean to upload that right away. Anyways, I made a separate thread earlier asking if anyone knew where to buy that Kill Me Baby daki in particular, I didn't know /jp/ had daki threads recently. Does anyone know a website where I might buy this daki.

http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=53268532

Here's the website, can't read Japanese
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>>16102148
>No Agiri
Why leave out best girl?
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>>16102200
>http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=53268532
find it yourself lazy faggot.
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>>16102217

You replied to the wrong person, I checked all the websites in the guide, would appreciate /jp/'s expertise if they know of any other websites.
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>>16054880
Why on Earth do you not want some level of lewd in a Daki of your favorite girl?

>>16060767
Nice Chinese knock off you got there.
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>>16102383
>Nice Chinese knock off you got there.
It looks fine to me. You don't really look at your daki when you are cuddling with it anyway.

as long as its not some really cheap material, who cares?
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>>16102250
There's no mention of sales of it. Jokes about Yasuna and the cover being a "sandbag", there's also a poll: "How would you use Yasuna side? [ ] Cuddle [ ] Hit". Might be just a joke illustration?
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>>16102519

http://st-momo.hanya-n.net/doujin/

I eventually found the website where you can purchase it, can't read Japanese but I used google translate, apparently you can order it occasionally when they do mass printings? It might be too difficult to order such a thing using a proxy. Unless someone who speaks Japanese wants to contact them, buy a few copies and sell it to us on ebay or something.
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>>16102448
>You don't really look at your daki when you are cuddling with it anyway
I think you're cuddling your daki wrong.
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>>16105991
Yeah, looks like you can place an order for an older cover when they open mail orders anytime a new one is added. Any decent proxy should then be able to figure out the rest and place the order for you. You just need to check size and material options and decide what you want, and instruct the proxy accordingly. 2way Roica is probably the best choice there, as they use P80 (high quality provider).
They will attend C91 in December, so they might add a new design then and you can place your order. Keep an eye on their website, and eventually get in touch with your favorite proxy in advance, so they can check the rules for ordering. Good proxies are always willing to help, as your orders make their business.

I checked their other ordering info, nothing out of the ordinary, they don't ship overseas as usual. But

> Body pillows are regulated as exporting to foreign countries as a powerful mental destruction weapon.

WHAT
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>>16102448
I guess if you're happy I can't say much but seriously why would you not want the print to perfectly fit on the whole cover?
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>>15919432
I'd kill for this.
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>>16106395

Thank you anon, I'll follow your advice.
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>>16100142
If you're in the US it's a pretty nice affordable pillow, you can ask for a custom size as well. You order on the site, email or phone them when making a custom order. It's an alternative to the Japanese pillows. Go for 20x65 when ordering on Royal pillow, that size fits 20x60 dakimakura covers. Don't get the feather filled pillows, they will poke through the cover.
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> Live in a big northeast city where I can buy one direct for cash or credt

Stay jelly mid-waste states.
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should I get her?
http://erotakuinfo.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-9.html
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what's the best way to clean semen off a daki?

Say she was freshly coated
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>>16108904
Lick it off.
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so what are you guys doing with your daki right now? currently watching movies with mine.
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>>16110584
Waiting for mine to arrive

>Checked out of Exchange office in Tokyo Int 5 days ago
>nothing saying it's on a plane

SAL!
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>>16084918
Just had this arrive a couple days ago and haven't opened her yet, is it any different than the usual A&J2W that you see used in most official dakis?
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Not bad for a £40 bootleg desu
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>>16112173
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>>16112177
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>>16112181
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So why is the DHR6000 so expensive?

At the end of the day it's a 150x50cm pillow, is the stuffing made out of unicorn pubes or something?
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>>16112173
she's a qt anon

keep her warm this xmas
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how do yoiu guys fluff your daki's?
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lewd mahjong girl, maid, and chinese girl
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>>16112139
Not a world of difference from A&J 2WT, but it's even softer. I tried it on a MH2000 as I don't have a DHR6000 yet (it's the same quality but smaller) and it's fluffy as hell.

>>16112949
160x50 to be precise. Part of the price is because it's a glorious japanese pillow folded over 10k times, sure. The stuffing is "simply" polyester filling, though it's shaped beforehand like the pillow and is quite stuffed, so the cover can stretch without wrinkles. But the real difference is in the outside fabric, as it's quite thick but in the meantime very soft and stretchable. It's also a bit rough (not smooth), and this prevents the cover from sliding when you hug it. See >>15984555 (Me)

tl;dr? It's overpriced but still the best pillow money can buy.
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>>16107865
yes

>>16112173
nice. enjoy her anon
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Finally came today.
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>>16115024
about time anon, your waifu was worried
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>>16115069
woah waifu?! dont know about that, but she is a qt.
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>>16115263
you missed the joke, bruv
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>>16115024
Where i can find it...
I NEED IT
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>>16102383
Because I believe it to be immodest to be so lightly clothed
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>>16116372
I dont know if you can get her anymore, I had to order it like a few months ago.
>>16116316
..OOHhhh. woops.
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is there any general rule as to the best type of sheets and bedding to use with dakis so that they can move freely and not catch
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>>16120261
Clothing / cloth in general is fine. Just remember to shave. Long sweatpants are also great for longevity, because before my leg hair would fuck up dakis and end up with lots of stray hair that I'd have to pluck from time to time.

I don't think I've posted this anko here before.
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>>16120284
I can't sleep with clothes on and my question was more about the type of material sheets to use
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>>16120333
I'm saying the sheets / bedding don't matter that much unless you sleep on sandpaper.
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There's only one picture of my waifu on Pixiv and it looks crappy. Unless I can find a way to blow up a 160x400 image from the official art without it looking like shit, odds aren't looking great.
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I'm new to this stuff. What printing site would you recommend after I have my commissioned piece?

Don't have it yet, just trying to gather all the information I need before my investment.
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>>16125394
CuddlyOctopus is in english and does commissioned stuff and doesn't do crappy bootleg quality.
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>>16125465
I'm looking to invest in one around Christmas and this helps. Thanks ファム.
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>>16125394
CO, pixiv factory, P80
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>>16125465
never heard of them before but I will check them out.
Anyone got any reviews on the sites hobbyheart or animedakimakura?
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>>16108904
luke warm water and a cotton ball
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For finding good commissions is there any more methodical way than just trying to get in contact with various Pixiv artists?
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>>16131467
Those two are the bootleggers you should be wary of.
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>>16132074
Any sites similar that are reputable then? I have looked over the sites in the pastebin links in the op but none seem to have anything I am looking for.
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>>16134418
That's the entire nature of this hobby. It's 99% hunting. Use a proxy for orders or go look at secondhand outlets.
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>>16131467
They are a recent site that started up that has artists submitting their works to them. They were the response to try to counter the english speaking sites that promote bootlegs.
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>>16134751
when you say "use a proxy for orders" what do you mean by that?
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>>16135856
Many japanese websites, especially for dakis, do not ship overseas. You then need a middleman who can receive your item and send it back to you. That's a proxy.
Read http://buyfags.moe/Special_services
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I'm new to this whole thing and have recently been extremely interested in buying a daki that features my waifu, pic related. Anyway I found a cover that I like:

https://www.animedakimakurapillow.com/products/clannad-dakimakura-anime-pillow-life-sized-pillow-clan20

and was wondering the legality of it? Buying this won't get me a one way ticket to the big house, will it? I'm too much of a pussy to even risk fucking with the law.
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>>16137011
100% illegal
bootlegs that is
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>>16137120
So that would be legal to buy. Nice. Thank you, anon.

And where would I go to buy a non bootleg version of my qt3.142t?
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If anyone likes their 2hus curvy and sexy, Ouma is accepting orders for all his designs until January 15th, shipping in March: https://touma00.booth.pm/
There's some boatsluts too and more.
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Was there an anon looking for an official quality Kirino daki? Curtain Damashii is accepting preorders for pic related until Nov. 30th: http://damashii.shop25.makeshop.jp/shopdetail/000000001705
Kuroneko is available too.
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if anyone knows could they share about how much it costs to proxy and ship a DHR6000
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>>16138678
I just bought mine, I used White Rabbit Express and it wasn't too bad, the fee is 12.5%. But it's really easy to use though.
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>>16139179
What was the total cost? Shipping included
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>>16139419
With estimated shipping it was $108.86
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>>16139526
>mfw that's like 23GBP less than buying a Cospa one from Solaris
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>>16139526
it should cost about that much without the international shipping, something doesn't add up.
I've been told a few times that the international shipping costs more than the pillow itself
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>>16138678
>>16139526
>>16141300
Depends on the shipping method. The pillow itself is about 9200 yen. Assuming you can ship in its own box, it should weigh under 3Kg. EMS will cost 5900 (US) or 6600 (EU), but with Surface (Sea) Parcel it's just 2900 yen. Although it will take 8-12 weeks to arrive.

You can save some fees buying it yourself on Amazon.jp and having it shipped to a forwarder like BiginJapan or Japan Shopping Service. See >>15984555
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