Seacats

I want to bully Bernkastel and make her cry.
I bet she cries like a small kitty trying to call its mommy, a high-pitched "Miii".

TWO KANONS!?

Would you be interested in staying at a moon hotel? Asking for a friend.

>>15634822
Humm, that sounds like a smart idea. I'd love to help you out, but first I need to raise enough money for my daughters operation, I hate to drop this on you, but could you please chip in some money? I promise I'll help you out with that idea once she's out of the hospital

>>15634939
I want to spank Bernkastel.

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can someone explain this?

beato

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>>15635536
What isn't clear?

Meta-Beato isn't just piece Yasu, she's the "mystery".

That's why she said "I will kill you" when she kills him with the bomb and when Battler denies her with stupid theory at the end of 4, she goes into a coma.

(Since real-world Yasu is kill also)

erik

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DLANOR

>>15635722
i dont really understand what it means by she was born by the rules or what exactly these rules are.

>>15634611
Rudolf is a pervert so I wouldn't be surprised if Kyrie was the one giving him the D and not the other way around....

>>15635722
i thought she said i will kill you because anything unexplainable by humans is blamed on beatrice on rokkenjima.

>>15635743
Yeah, that's what I said.

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>>15635735
>trying to understand Umineko
What is wrong with you? Are you a masochist?

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>>15635724
>>15635730


NO YOU WILL BE KILL BY WITCHES

what are lambdadelta's voice lines when she's getting rekt in ougon musou kyouku?

it's so cute (>///<)

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>>15635788
no thing lik wich

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So after thinking through everything again, I came to the conclusion that the murders were committed by the 18th person on the island. And it was pic related. He is the murderer. As a friend of the Ushiromiya family he was invited there on that fateful day....and he made them cry.

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>>15635816

!

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>>15635825

>>15635829
How long before someone shops that into a Trump hat

Is it actually possible for the Rokkenjima Massacre to unfold without Kyrie and Rudolf killing almost everyone? There would have to be a really bullshit excuse for Battler not to be found and killed, moreover Eva would have to fell empathy for Ange and not kill anyone but her sibilings

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What the fuck is wrong with this guy?

>>15635895
Anything is possible.

Also Kyrie and Rudolf are the most qualified to use shotguns

In the end you can only twist the dialogue to make Kyrie not say that she doesn't give a shit about Ange if Bernkastel's claim that "This is all truth, of some sort" was true

>>15635735
someone explain without trolling me :(

>>15635927
In the manga she says "This is all truth!", so I would assume that means it's all true

Would you hitch a witch and which witch would you hitch?

>>15635994
I'd hitch all witches which hit kids.

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>>15635994
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'd ditch the rich bitch with the stitched up niche and hitch with the kitsch witch with which I could actually itch my switch.

>>15635735
It's just the rules of the mystery anon. Think of it like in Higurashi, there were rules X, Y, and Z, if I remember correctly, that were recurring constants throughout each of the arcs. Those "rules" had to be put in place in order for the mystery to work.

What Beatrice is in Umineko is the personification of those rules. What was going on in episode 6 was that Battler had already solved the mystery, but he had done so too late, Beatrice had already died. The only Beatrice that was left was the one that he could create from memory, and the ultimate plot of Episode 6 is Battler showing that he understands the 'rules' of Umineko by reconstructing Beatrice. Remember that Battler is the game master of episode 6.

That was my interpretation.

>>15636115
Lambda a cute.

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>>15635735
>what exactly these rules are

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>>15636189
>Please, Somebody stop me!

>>15636266
OST + fight scenes are fun as fuck

>>15636270
>>15636266
Here's one of my favorite examples of a fun as fuck fight.

Don't spoil yourself if you don't want to, but man this was so fucking hype you have no idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF60yOU0h48

>>15636317
But can an African sparrow carry a coconut all the way to Britain?

>>15635788
BUT WHEN WHO WAS WITCH?

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>>15636115
Excellent taste.

>>15636205
Made me giggle

>>15636317
Knees weak, arms spaghetti

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>>15636317
If the same goes for other birds, why can't she say that in red!?

>>15636702
Deosn't say it ≠ can't say it. You shouldn't need an absolute guarantee of truth to believe that birds really can't cook spaghetti.

>>15636739
That's what the witch wants you to think. There's no reason she couldn't have completed that red truth unless there's something to hide.

>>15636742
Or, she's just messing around and didn't bother. You're supposed to doubt anything that's not red, but that doesn't mean everything that's not in red is automatically a trick.

>>15635788

https://warosu.org/jp/thread/1625157#p1626439

>>15636786
But everything that's not red COULD be a trick. How the hell am I supposed to believe not a single bird can cook spaghetti if she won't say it in red?

>>15636786
There's no reason not to doubt. The only logical conclusion is deceit.

Guys.

I'm playing the game with the ps3 sprites and voices but for some reason the patches don't include the ps3 opening movies.

Any idea where I'd get those?

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>>15636317
>Same goes for other birds
>But doesn't say in red

>>15636801
>>15636805
Okay, let's say she's lying. So what? What does it matter to you if some bird somewhere in the world has mastered Italian cuisine? Unless you can find some way that it affects the mystery, who cares?

That's the whole reason blue truth was created. Asking to have everything proven to to you is pointless. You just waist time doubting everything without ever coming up with any actual theories.
>>15636859
Wasn't there a download for that at the patch site? You need to put the video in the right folder.

>>15636869
Nice backpedaling, Beatoriiche

>>15636869
>Wasn't there a download for that at the patch site?
Well, Uminekofix redirected me to http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=395795 and I used that patch.

No idea where else I should search.

>>15636869
The download link for just the individual patches was taken down something after Mangagamer announced they were going to officially release it.

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>>15636869
If a bird can master cooking spaghetti, it could also master murdering people!

The killer was an American bird, it's so damn obvious!

>>15636869
>Okay, let's say she's lying. So what? What does it matter to you if some bird somewhere in the world has mastered Italian cuisine? Unless you can find some way that it affects the mystery, who cares?

Let's look at the matter from another perspective, why does she feel like she needs to point that Japanese birds CAN'T cook spaghetti, but she conventionally forgot to add in red that the others can't?

What is she hiding?

>Umineko screenshot generator is still up after all these years

Hell yeah

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>>15636903
Does anyone have these pics of Ep. 1 version in which everyone knows that Shannon and Kanon are the same person and they go along with Yasu delusion laughing all the way?

>>15636888
If you're looking at it that way, then every time she talks normally without using the red truth she's hiding some master plot twist.

She probably just didn't care enough to say the other part in red, because there was no reason to. Even the part that is in red really didn't need to be.

>>15636906
Oh god kek

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>>15636908
>She probably just didn't care enough to say the other part in red,
Oh yeah, because saying that part in red would be SO HARD.

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>>15636906
>>15636916
Gotta wonder if Ange would be happy with this result.

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>>15636317

>>15636920
>>15636920
>Gotta wonder if Ange would be happy with this result.
I know Jooji would be.

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uuu~!

Do you still hate George?

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>>15636946

>>15636954
I still don't like him. He's not the worst person in the story, and he stood up for shit, but he's really really unlikeable.

>>15636979
This guy screams Tomitake so fucking hard it's distracting

>>15636983
But Tomitake is an hot stud with ton of muscles who is also banging a 10/10 nurse.

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Why is the steamversion so shit compared to the PS3 one?

They're basically just selling the vanilla game with new sprites and asking for 23€ like they've worked so hard on it.

>>15636926
>Umineko generator is still up
>Willard still hanst been added

>>15636954
George was the largest outlier of the cast in that he not only learned his sin, but moved past it as well. He had his entire life ahead of him and would've forgiven Yasu for their sin had he known, or saved them from the tragic fate. If there is any character that didn't deserve to die on Rokkenjima, it was certainly George or Kumasawa

>>15637325
>>15637347
>>15637398

Looks like Maria's mother isn't the only one who hates her.

>>15637404
Maria is fine. I don't think she deserved to die but she's always doomed to share Rosa's fate. And again, I just think George's contributions were more significant and his character arc was more developed in the human world.

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Screenshot generator is fun

can someone explain the yasu mutiple personalities? how can she just randomly discard them?

>>15637572
They're "roles" more than they are personalities.

>>15637577
i thought that as well but i just read a ryukishi interview where he basically says they are multiple personalities, which confused me.

>>15637587
What interview? Either way I think the point is that she can consciously and voluntarily be one over the other at any time.

answer to the golden witch. he refers to beatrice as a collection of multiple personalities, and says the shannon personality didnt commit murder.

http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Answer_to_the_Golden_Witch

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Okay, so I think I've finally just about finished the Eva nude edit. All that's left is to make the 18+ version.

>>15637703
Do Ange grope animation next, those are your best work. I don't think nude edits really work well with the Steam sprites - they look kind of goofy.

>>15637602
Are you referring to this?

>R: That’s why I didn’t tell them anything. But to Miss Ohara who played the role of Beatrice I told the whole truth, so she would know what lies behind her words and so she could base her acting on that knowledge. That is why both Battler and Beatrice deliver such a solid performance. And the reason for not letting Miss Kugimiya know anything, was because the Shannon personality herself was not the culprit.

Interesting interview, I haven't seen this one before.

There's some parts where Ryukishi talks about criticism he received that gave me some feels:

>K: Many people who criticize that scene seem to be missing that Will and Dlanor are accepting the goats as well.

>R: I really didn’t do a good job with that part, I seem to have screwed up majorly…

>K: I guarantee you that if you don’t stop thinking, then you will arrive at the truth.

>R: By now I have fallen into the dilemma of thinking, “for what reason am I writing my works?”. Am I writing because I want to pamper my readers? Or am I writing for the joy of writing itself? Of course I want to see wonderful deductions like yours KEIYA. To have their works read and find reactions towards it, that’s one of the greatest joys of every writer. But if I go online now and search for reactions, it’s much easier to find really harsh impressions. If they do have a point, then I’m glad, but there are actually many people who seem to have never read the work at all and just looked up some of the answers, who are now saying “it might have been in the story, but…”. If I read something like “Can’t he write on his own?”, then I lose my confidence. Though, when I read thoughts like yours, then I actually get better again. After the release of EP8 it became especially harsh. I thought about retiring after Umineko. That is why Umineko has a culprit who can only be understood by people who think. I wanted to give it a culprit that cannot be copypasted. In that sense, I think YASU is a groundbreaking invention.

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>>15637703
Speaking of which, was there a nude Evatrice yet?

>>15637732
No there hasn't. But before you ask, I'd like to hold off on both hers and Virgilia's for the time being. The reason is that those 2 will probably be the hardest ones to make out of the first 4 arcs, so I'd like to save them for later.

>>15637717
Well, Ange was already the next request anyway, so I might as well do both her edit and her animation. I'll probably do the animation first, sense they take significantly less time.

By the way, did you happen to see the Shannon animation back when I posted it? I tried out a few new ideas and would appreciate some feedback on it for the upcoming animation.

>>15637703
NEEDS MORE SAG

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>>15637771
Forgot the animation in question

>>15637771
Yes I saw it. I liked everything but the nipple hardening, which I thought was a little cheesy and contrasted with the rest of the animation. What technique are you using for each frame?

>>15637834
>What technique are you using for each frame?

For the breasts of course is what I meant.

>>15637731
>Umineko has a culprit who can only be understood by people who think

I'll kill everyone. In the name of love and ponies

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>>15637731
That last bit really made me tear up a bit. Man.

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>>15638003
>No sag > sag
I'm glad I got the fix right.

I've already started coming up with some idea's for Ange. Something like black lace lingerie to contrast with Maria's kiddie panties.
Ange also has her own variation of the one-winged eagle on her armband, and I thought I could model an outfit based on that like I did with Eva.
Other than that, I think something that shows an underboob would look good on her, considering the angle her rack is at in the sprite.

>>15638045
Man, i wanna fuck Ange so hard.

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>>15638152
>The no panties theory
I already made an edit for that one. And it just means that she doesn't wear them with her clothes. She can still take off her clothes, put on lingerie, and then go around in that.

Also, any ideas on what I could try to do with her animation?

Stop being mean about Ange, she doesn't deserve it you sick fucks.

>>15638215
I still can't believe that's an official cover. Imagine trying to buy that volume in a store.

Does anyone have any high res scans (not waifu2x resizes) of the official Deen dakimakuras and the lewd Alchemist bonuses? I've only ever managed to find Jessica's and a scan of Satan/Asmo from an artbook. This is important to the legacy of Umineko lewds.

Is there a torrent/download for the new Umineko by mangagamer yet? I haven't seen anything for it but maybe I'm just blind.

>>15635730
if only her outfit weren't so shit she could have been a decent character

>>15637703
sag ver when

>>15639720
I can't.

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I forgot to save the Bernkastel pictures from last thread, anyone has them?
Danbooru doesn't have much and I don't know the pixiv tag for Bern.

>>15639797
Thanks.
>>15639801
Thanks too.

>all these erased posts

>>15639813
Will do. Anyway, couldn't find the picture there. It was a monochrome picture of Bernkastel seen from behind, her tail rising her skirt and showing her butt.

Also, I have to disagree with what another Anon said : Battler IS stupid. When Erika slowly corners him in the closet, he let himself got trapped. That was his stupidst mistake.

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Nevermind, I found the picture.
Bern's butt.

>>15639851
That's Bernkastel's small, spankable, white, smooth butt.

What moment of brilliance by the way? When I try to remember, the only one that comes to mind is when he got out of Kinzo's study.
Erika's tears were sweet.

>>15637846
Jokes asises, I really don't understand how he thought people were going to figure the "why".

The how and who? Sure.

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>>15639831
There are some that say Battler let himself be put in that situation in order to spur chick Beato into regaining her memories.

>>15639698
I already posted the comparison image. Here's the sag version by itself.

>>15637731
refering to these

< Yes. Because in the end it’s not like you can’t call her an assembly of multiple personalities. And she is also a construction, recreated several times in the form of the ghost stories or the Beatrice legend.

>While the body is Shannon, it’s worth thinking about whose body this was originally. Because in the end it is just a question of software. Even though the clothes belong to Shannon, if what’s within is another being then that person would surely be able to kill George. Clothes are not a personality. And so, even though the cloths and the hairdo might be Shannon’s, but there is the possibility that it was another person, when she started asking questions about George.

>>15639897
EP3 in general and the "pony" dialogue earlier gave enough to where we theorized "a" Beatrice being kept by Kinzo and trapped in a situation where she needed psychological rescue. From there it was a matter of figuring out the many hints that there were more than one Beatrice, putting things in a chronological order, and coming up with an idea of why this Beatrice needed rescuing. EP5 I think was the point where we finally got indications about the gender stuff, with an "aha!" moment if we believed Shkannon. EP6 was a last minute confirmation of that before EP7 explicitly told us.

>>15640337
I'm not talking about it.

Even if you figure the Shkanon and the pony, it's still pretty hard to tie it to a reason to plan mass murder. "How does it help her growing genitals back lol?" was a pretty common joke back then.

The manga does it pretty well, it shows that the weight of the revelations (Her body, Battle promise, the "sin" of Kinzo, the Italians massacre, the incest with her cousins) literally caused her to snap an one point and become suicidal. Even in ep. 2 she always seem pretty in control.

>>15639897
The 'why' becomes more clear if you pay attention to the fantasy scenes involving Shannon, Kanon, and Beatrice. There's a lot of hints and foreshadowing layered in those fantasy scenes that's easily missed if you're just looking at those scenes for the fights.

>>15640414
im someone who read all of it and still doesnt understand fully. what should i be looking for to reach the truth?

>>15640414
The fights scene are shit. And Yasu dilemma is piss easy once you get over the fact no one can tell the maid and the butler are the same person.

What people were confused it's how these scenes tied to a motive for MASS MURDER.

>>15640424
Eh, I think an important thing is to realize that there's not really many 'pointless' scenes in Umineko. When I first read umineko, I felt as if the fantasy scenes were wastes of time, it was obvious that what Ryukishi was showing us didn't actually happen, so why was he showing us it? But if you actually read the text and think about how it relates to the character's relationships with one another, the scenes end up being a lot more interesting. You end up learning more about how the characters feel about themselves and about others.
>>15640441
I don't understand. I'm saying that it's through the fantasy scenes that the motive becomes more clear. Those scenes are tied to the motive for a mass murder, because they give hints to it.

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>>15640474
>I don't understand. I'm saying that it's through the fantasy scenes that the motive becomes more clear. Those scenes are tied to the motive for a mass murder, because they give hints to it.

The fantasy scene gives context for Yasu dilemma and internal fights. Leaving aside how much of these scenes people dismissed people they had problems accepting Kanon=Shannon, they didn't understand how to tie these scenes (Yasu identity dilemma) tied to MASS MURDER.

People failed to connect it with a reason to massacre the family and the cousins (whom she's in love with) previous to episode VII.

VII gives you a reason, her "roulette" and leaving things to fate, but even then people found it weak.

Yes, a lot of things are hinted in fantasy scenes, but without a way to check if your answers are correct, you have no way to understand whatever Kinzo "roulette" in Ep 1-4 is actually 100% fantasy, about OLD Kinzo, or Yasu (who is, again, mostly in fantasy scenes, so no way to actually CHECK if you are correct or not).

The manga does a better job because it shows how much unstable she became and her thought process.

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>>15640474
>Eh, I think an important thing is to realize that there's not really many 'pointless' scenes in Umineko.

I am re-reading episode 1 now and wow.....lots of things can be interpreted in interesting ways.
Like in the beginning in the rose garden when Maria feels pity for the unhealthy rose among the normal ones, I believe it is a reference to Yasu. Also, Battler thinking to himself that Rosa is a person who always keep her promises and admiring her for it is really funny.....generally, there is whole lot of shit about the concept of promises/broken promises.

I am starting to think Umineko is more enjoyable to read when you know the whole story and characters, I don't know if R07 intended it this way....but that is how I feel things are.

>>15636863
Is that a picture for ants

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>>15640567
Depends where you live. Ants are pretty big around here.

>>15640517
I don't think it's as ambiguous as you say it is. There were a lot of talks between Shannon and Kanon about the Golden Land and resigning themselves to fate. It's shown that they have a lot of self-hatred. I think there's a lot of things that you would not have been able to get through eps 1-4, such as the circumstances regarding Yasu's birth, but by episode 5 i think it became more clear.

Look back at Episode 2, there is a scene where Beatrice backs George and Shannon in a room, and Beatrice rants about there being no difference between lust and love, because Beatrice is pissed off that Shannon thinks George loves him. When George says "I love you" right before he dies, Beatrice kills him mid-sentence. The VN shows Yasu's unstableness as much as the manga does, it just does so in a different way.

I do enjoy the manga, but I think I'll always like the VN a bit more.

how is battlers promise connected to the motive? i don't understand how all of this was supposed to remind battler.

>>15640753
Because obviously the best way to make anyone remember you is by dating his cousins and murder all his family.

Is there any news on new When They Cry? Its been soo long since Umineko.

>>15640964
It doesn't look like it's happening, anon. Ryu-chan's moved on and is doing other works. He's gone on record as saying he'll probably not do another When They Cry.

>>15640989
That's for the best, given how shitty Umineko was.

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>>15640989
>He's gone on record as saying he'll probably not do another When They Cry.
Now I'm sad and angry. I can guess that he doesn't want to burn his brain for another when they cry but his other works are nowhere good as them.

>>15641005
It was a fantastic ride though.

>>15641089
I agree. His best works are the WtCs. I guess we should be happy with what we got and hope for a miracle that someday he might bless us with another one.

Did anyone save that post about the green liquid Kinzo takes actually being viagra and that he likes to shut himself up in his study so he can masturbate to the Beatrice portrait whilst shouting her name at the top of his lungs?
It was stupid but it cracked me up.

someone that solve umineko please help me figure it out as well. its important

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>>15641197

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>>15641005

>>15640964
Hotarubi is the new WTC

>>15641197
http://umineko.renai.ru/
I thought this was an interesting website, it seems pretty accurate for the most part.

>>15641298
Why? It's not written by the same author.

>>15641306
What? It's written by Ryukishi

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>>15641246
Not him, but it's not like disliking Umineko is anything particularly rare.

>>15641320
Is it? Can I get the full title, I'm looking and all I'm finding is Shojo manga

>>15641345
Hotarubi no Tomoru Koro ni

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>>15641353
Huh, so far it's pretty brutal, not the typical buildup Ryukishi goes for

>>15641382
Looks like another work of him I won't like. A shame that Higurashi was a one of a kind.

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>>15637980

Me on left.

>>15641382
I think he said somewhere that chapter 0 is supposed to be like a movie trailer, which is why it's kind of weird.

Chapter 1 is also translated, and you can download it here
https://mega.nz/#F!zcVlzTyD!JI0QG9sVsBSWpZK7Bs7zWw

>>15641428
Thanks anon.

I don't come to /jp/ often, but when I do you guys are seriously considerate anons

This thread is making me appreciate Eva more.

>>15641808
Only time I didn't appreciate Eva was during chapter 2 because of how she treated Shannon. But then learning her past in chapter 3 allowed me to forgive her and go back to loving and appreciating her.

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>>15641808
Well she is the best aunt

>>15640541
Same here desu. It's like what Featherine said, once she has the answers she can go back through all the stories and use the answers like a key to understand and enjoy the stories more.

>>15640753
Sayo made a rule Z in her games stating that someone can stop her. She wanted Battler to recognize that it was her as the culprit and stop her. Problem was, Battler completely forgot about the promise and when Sayo found out she became heartbroken. That also explains meta-Beato's coma.

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>>15641971
>Only time I didn't appreciate Eva was during chapter 2 because of how she treated Shannon
Why is that, Shannon and her parts are boring as shit.

>>15642127
She and her parts may be boring, but she's so precious I want to protect her.

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>>15642141

>>15642114
yes but still i don't see how she expected anything from battler.. is it the whole murder mystery setup that is supposed to remind him?

>>15642166
I want to marry Shannon!

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>>15642166
>>15642185

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>>15642185
>>15642188

>>15642188
George looks so fat in the original sprites.

>>15642176
Battler was able to reach the truth by going through the first 4 games using the rules of Knox's decalogue to deduce who the culprit was and figured out it was Shannon. After that is to figure out her motive for the murders, and it would click that he made a promise to her 6 years ago and forgot, which is his sin.

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>>15642188
>>15642216

>>15642233
fat with love for shannon

Can anyone tell me what Lambdadelta's origins are exactly? Is she an entity created in the Mariage Sorciere between Beatrice and Maria, or an "outside" entity like Bernkastel?

Also in the manga Beatrice says she needs a higher power than herself to observe her and recognize her as a witch. How does this work with Lambdadelta if she is a creation by her and Maria? This has me stumped.

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>>15642166
Maybe if she and fatty weren't boring shit more people would have realized the truth.

>>15642176
The murder mystery on Rokkenjima's prime is not about making Battler find the truth, it's about leaving things to fate.

Maybe Battler will solve the epitath, maybe George will, maybe Gohda will, maybe someone will recognize her Kanon have the same face, maybe nothing will happen and they'll al meet again the Golden Land.

Keep in mind that Yasu is suicidal during Rokkenjima prime, the weight of the revelations drove her kinda insane.


Ep1-4 is where she laid her "heart" open and wanted Battler to solve it, but he didn't notice the butler and the maid were the same person.

>>15642256
Outside entity that existed before Bernkastel

>>15642256
It's not fully explained but she's an outside entity like Bern. She existed since Higurashi, using Takano as a piece. I think this mean's she's older than Bern, since Bern was born from Higurashi.

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>>15642256
There is no origin story for 34, we know she existed before Bernkastel, she was making Tanako's will Fate (in a game against Featherine)

She lost the game and Bern became a witch.

She was trapped in a logic error once but won it and became a witch just like Bern, but we know nothing about it.

>>15642176
Because Shannon isn't Beatrice, Rosa is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHMta4YbjSM

>>15642268
>>15642270
As someone who only read Umineko, how does Shannon recognize this otherworldly entity? Is it by coincidence she thought of a being just like Lambda or is it some weird cross-story thing?

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>>15642283
I think this guy needs to revise his theory a bit after the manga was finished. It disproves a lot of his explanations, like this one for instance

>>15642283
Does this guy still think Ryukishi is trying to fake out the readers, even after the manga has been released?

Reading some of the comments to that video is quite depressing for me. I'm not sure how many of those people are trolls or not.

>>15642331
I'm sure the guy has moved on or mellowed down as they all do

>>15642336
He might have, but I've seen several supporters of his theory in just the last few months. It seems like several of them just won't read/dismiss the manga.

>>15642302
If you need the manga to disprove Rosatrice for you, there are other problems.

>>15642331
Not sure about him, but I've seen some people claim that the stuff about Yasu in the manga is all a red herring, and that Ryukishi wants people to find the "real truth", or something like that

>>15642363
The real truth after the real truth

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>>15642439
She talks to Lambda in the manga, when she gives her the power to become a witch

>>15642463
My bad, thanks for pointing that out.

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>>15642283
This whole thing is pretty retarded, but the thing that gets me the most is that he uses scenes from the anime as "proof"

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>>15642621

Does anyone have those Takano vs Rika image that that Takanofag did some years ago?

>>15641428
>"import to my magical stock"
MAGIC DOESN'T EXIST

>>15642166
Well, to be fair, if you watch carefully that pic, you even can see a dude wearing girl clothes.

>Re-read the archive for old Umineko discussions

https://warosu.org/jp/thread/S7100053

Holy shit, you really had it for Yasu.

>>15642283
...Even if Rosa was the culprit, anybody besides Shkannon being Beatrice is going full retard.

>>15642285
Do you mean Piece Shannon or Yasu? If it's Piece Shannon, it's the same reason she knows what happened on past gameboards, which is lolfurniture.

If you mean Yasu, it's because Lambdadelta is a voyager and often travels to different universes to grant the wishes of humans so she can enjoy the fallout.

(on a related note, I wonder how true the whole 'Lambdadelta making Beatrice a witch' thing is. Really, I'd think it was more just her going 'yeah, sure, I acknowledge you as a witch' and taking the credit for it all. After all, Battler didn't need anybody's acknowledgement to become a witch. Beatrice was mostly dead and the voyagers had already written him off.)

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>>15643111
Lambdadelta was definitely Battler sponsor in Episode VI.

All Lamba did was making her tales fragments (which why she says she "sinned in many world") and I guess making her pop in purgatory after she died.

>>15643138
Ehh, she didn't actually do anything until after he turned the sword gold, though. I think he was already a witch at that point.

>>15643086
Why do you keep doing this to yourself by reading old threads over and over again

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>>15642948
I thought I did, but all I had was this one.

>>15643086
Yeesh. Threads back then sure were toxic as fuck.

>>15643245
>toxic
Hy Reddit

>>15643187
Because it's fun

>>15643362
>pool car
What

>>15643366
Like a carpool. You can hitch a ride with others in your neighborhood to go to school or work for contributing to gas money. It's efficient and helps your social skills.
Takano carpools with Tomitake and Rika in her trunk!

>>15643278
I read a bunch of old threads and got too frustrated because I wanted to reply.
Keep posting your findings, Anon. You're like an internet archaeologist! (And I can second-hand enjoy the threads)

>>15643362
moar

>>15642046
Why doesn't Umineko get more fun extra stories like Higurashi? I want a beach episode, damn it! They're ON an island in the middle of the sea for christ's sake, it basically writes itself!

>>15643641
Because Higurashi can stand a few fun moments.
In umineko, it's 100% srs business. The only fun moments are when Ronove trolls Beatrice.

>>15643141
I think all lambda did for Battler was officially acknowledge he'd reached the rank of witch.

>>15643645
Easy. Set it 6 years previously when Battler last showed up to the conference. No typhoon, so good weather all weekend. All the aunts in bathing suits, the uncles playing tennis, Kumasawa grilling mackerel, giving Gohda some time to show off his ripped body in his speedo's.

>>15643660
Bern's butt is cute.

>>15643662
She helped him after that.

>>15643664
Like in that one comic when Eva claims the gold as hers and everyone leave her alone on Rokkenjima to party?

>>15643688
Not all butts. Just Bernkastel's.
She's small and somehow cute, but she's also a total cunt. If there's a character deserving a spanking in Umineko, that's her.

Unlike Erika who is legitimately insane, Lambdadelta who is scary, Featherine who is not cute, and all the various girls who die at some point.

>>15643728
Not in pictures like >>15639767.
Through I admit the first time she dropped her mask and laughed, it was really spooky.

The witches have so many different "evil laugh" sprites.

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>>15643688
>The face of Ange at the end always gets me.
All this coming are fucking amazing

>>15643746
The part about Georges is so accurate.
From his point of view, she's overbearing, but from her perspective, he's wasting his chances.

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>>15643764
It all depends from the point of view.

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>>15643768
>Rudolf's face
The fuck.

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>>15643782
>walk to her
>"give me your hand"
>pinch her
>"there, I exist"

>>15643808
This is just sad. Poor Lambda.
She started as a major bitch but turned out to be okay.

>Why was she so fixated on becoming the next head of the family rather than becoming so rich her father would see her worth?
To prove herself that she wasn't useless. And keep in mind the Ushiromiya kids were raised to be proud of their name. Kinzo has a huge reputation, throwing the name away would mean being a nobody. Eva just wants to prove herself.
It's just a highly disfunctional family.

>>15643820
Yep.

>>15643854
You seem to think Eva's actions are logical.

They're obviously not, because Eva is a person who reacts with emotions rather than logic. You can also ask why the girl in the slasher movie never grab a weapon to fight back, or why Ripley in Alien never bitchslap the xenomorph before raping it with its own tail. People are not logical, and sometimes for the pettiest reasons.

Throwing away the Ushiromiya name would've meant cutting all ties with her family and never being allowed on Rokkenjima, not to mention it would've made fun harder for aim.
She wanted to prove herself as Kindo's heir, not surpass him.
I don't know why and I can't explain, but it has to do with love, emotions, and Eva being a woman.

>>15643906
>>15643914
Exactly. One of Umineko's point is that people are never truly logical. Even Dlanor who's introduced as being robotic ends up showing emotions.
And Kinzo said several times that he had little respect for women, so he never really gave much consideration to Eva and Rosa. The difference is that Rosa grow frustrated after her retarded daughter while Eva grew frustrated at herself.

>>15643926
She sould, yeah.
But she didn't. She let her frustration blind her. She reacted emotionally and tried to justify it.

This is why she comes off as overbearing. She tries to please Kinzo, but at the same time, she knows that because she's a woman, she'll never fully make him proud. That's why she talks so much of Georges, she wants to use him as a proxy to prove she's good at the only thing she thinks she's allowed to do : make heirs.
it's a really, really sad. If Kinzo was more open-minded and didn't treated his daughters like shit, everything could've been avoided.

>>15643946
Holy shit, so many typos in this post. I should change my posture. Or read my posts before actually posting.

>>15643946
>This is why she comes off as overbearing. She tries to please Kinzo, but at the same time, she knows that because she's a woman, she'll never fully make him proud. That's why she talks so much of Georges, she wants to use him as a proxy to prove she's good at the only thing she thinks she's allowed to do : make heirs.
Gotta wonder why Eva didn't find a problem with Lion being the the Heir in the kakera world despite her being a girl.

>>15643952
I can't answer that. My guess is "because magic".

>>15640374
>Even in ep. 2 she always seem pretty in control.

Not really since the entire fantasy narrative of 2 is depicting her collapsing mental state.

>>15643952
Because Lion's a boy.

Anyway, the morale is that if Kinzo was less of an asshole, the Ushiromiya family wouldn't be so fucked up.

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>>15642238
Rudolf x George is my fav pairing.

>>15644575
Natsuhi x Eva is better

>>15644580
Given the consequences, it's not acceptable.

>>15643645
>In umineko, it's 100% srs business
Did you even read the VNs?

>>15643808
>The thing I never understood about Eva is why didn't she just threw the family name and become successful on her own?
Rose tried and started her own business, but why couldn't Eva? Why was she so fixated on becoming the next head of the family rather than becoming so rich her father would see her worth?

To spite Kinzo and Krauss who looked down on her because she was a girl.

>>15644602
Because she was raised this way by Kinzo and wanted to prove herself to him.

You're basically asking why a dwarf's first reflex upon getting a pickaxe is to strike the earth with it.

>>15644584
I want to see an Umineko episode with nothing but incest in it.
>George x Rudolf
>Natsuhi x Eva
>Jessica x Kyrie/Battler
>Rosa x Krauss and Rudolf
>Maria x George
>Ange x Eva
>Eva x Kyrie
>Hideyoshi x everyone
Did I leave anything good out?

>>15644601
Overrated.

>>15644616
>Eva should've known better
She should, yeah, but she didn't. Maybe she was too bitter about her childhood, or maybe she lacked objectivity, but you're basically asking her to have meta knowledge here and notice things from an exterior point of view.
>Or maybe it's my naive stupid assumption that even smart people can't notice obvious facts in front of them
Maybe that too. There's that proverb about being able to see the straw in someone else's eye but being unable to see the massive plank in yours or something.
I don't think the Ushiromiya are really stupid (unlike Shkannon, but inbreds aren't exactly smart), but they all had big flaws and ultimately, lack in logic.If they could all calm down and think things though, everyone would still be alive.
>Everyone's an idiot, it's just a matter of opinion on how much
Yes they are. They're all idiots with their moment of brilliance. Battler let himself get cornered in the closet by Erika, Eva was so focused on proving herself to Kinzo that she became a bitch, Rudolf was a womanizer who did something with Battler I can't really remember (I think Battler is Ange's brother instead of her half-brother) and is jealous of Krauss, Rosa is a single mother (which is frowned upon), frequently abuses and molest Maria (which does nothing to help her grow up) and is never taken seriously by her siblings, and Krauss believes himself to be calm-headed when he's just a beta idiot, on top of being arrogant toward his siblings and antagonizing them constantly.

And they're all pretty inept in business, for various reasons. I think Rosa was naive and got scammed while the others were unlucky.

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>>15644633
>You pervert.
Ihihihi, I just like family members showering each other in sem-- I mean in love.

>>15644616
>expecting anyone in Umineko other than Kyrie and Erika to act logically
And this is what you get.

>>15644565
If Kinzo was less of an asshole then it wouldn't be the Ushiromiya family.

>>15644660
True. It would be a working, happy family.

>>15644654
>Kyrie
>Logical
I can feel the wall of text coming

>>15644654
Even Erika behaves irrationally once in a while.
Each time Buttkastel is involved, in fact.

>>15643245
>toxic

I like how these cringe words makes it obvious you don't belong here.

>>15644687
>Instead, she decided to accept her own predestined fate.
Um, no. She didn't. She just tried to challenge her fate by playing accoding to Kinzo's rules. That's different. That's why she's always after Georges, trying to groom him into the perfect heir. She wants to prove that even by abiding to Kinzo's retarded rules, she can "win".
You keep assuming she could've just thrown everything away. She couldn't.
Keep in mind several things :
-first, it would've meant cutting all ties with her family, her siblings and her mother. And despite the siblings disliking each others, they're still family. It's not easy to cut ties with your family.
-second, it would've meant having no ressources at all. And while not being a spoiled girl, I don't think Eva could've managed to live with part-time jobs.
-third, her childhood take place in the '50 or the '60? In Japan, that would've made her an unmarriable outcast.
What I'm trying to say is that you're considering her badly for something she probably never considered. That doesn't mean Kinzo isn't a fucktard for screwing over his family, but Eva's actions cannot be judged by your standards because she's not you.

>It's not that they were smart but they didn't entirely inherit Kinzo's gift.
Yeah, about that. I always wondered if Kinzo was really that good in business. There's a legend that he started with some gold and made a very powerful business empire with it, but given the huge amount of gold he had at his disposal, succeeding in affairs was only a matter of time.
I'm probably not explaining well, so to put it simply : when you have unlimited lives, it's not hard to win the game. So what Kinzo really good, or did he just abused his massive gold reserves?

>I don't mean Ushiromiya family but nearly all of humanity are idiots, with a few exceptional throughout history.
Careful, you're being too edgy here.

Ironically, the character that impressed me the most was Krauss' wife, Natsuhi, or Katsumi, I don't remember. She's always going on and on about how she's a proper lady, how women must support their husbands, how she suffers headaches but takes it like a lady. So naturally, you expect her to be passive, scared and easily killed in the first episode.
But when the murders start or when Kinzo croaks, she's very quick to take everything under control while Krauss just stands around and hesitates. In the first episode, she's mostly cool-headed until the very end and protects all the kids, not only Jessica, and in the episode where Kinzo dies, she's the one deciding of the masquarade.

Daily reminder that Krauss was a pretty decent guy.

>>15643629
Keiichi-kun!
>>15643630
who dat?

>>15643644
>>15643655
>>15643660
Perfection

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>>15644792
There is a 20 years gap between Eva and Battler.

I can't comment the rest, as it's mostly your opinion. And arguing about opinions won't do any good. I'd rather talk about Bernkastel's ass instead.

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>>15643629
Mommy!

>>15643662
Yeah, that's what I mean. I think that, other than help out with setting the game in place, that's all she did with Beatrice. I really doubt she'd just stop being a witch if Lambda decided so.

>>15644601
Virgilia pls go

>>15644807
I'd smack it until it leaves a trail of white smoke behind her wherever she goes.

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>>15644842
That show would be a lot more better if there was no meteo.

>>15643782
Jesus
https://youtu.be/P0TBKlfKtVo?t=699

>>15644858
And the smell of roasted meat.

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>>15644858
It'd be funnier if Battler was the one spanking Bernkastel.

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>>15644864
I love this artist's comics, but why do they draw lines under male charcter's eyes? It' makes them look so old.

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>>15644869
I like his Dlanor and his ErikaxBattler shipping, but his style is pretty strange.

>>15644872
Perfect.

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>>15644887
>da ass - battler.png

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>>15644887
Now I really want to write a story where Bernkastel finally get it.

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>>15644958
Calm down mate. I only want to spank Bernkastel, all that murder stuff is not my stuff. You can fuck a spanked girl, but not a dead girl.

Through I'm partial to the idea of getting all of Bernkastel's victims (Erika, Ange, Battler) to giver her a belting.

>>15644973
Hang on, she was responsable for Higurashi as well?

>>15644989
No, the only suitable punishment for a little girl is a spanking.

Does that mean Bernkastel never got Higurashi's good ending at the end of the Answer game?

>>15645018
I cannot be logical with my fetish. Once it awakens, I am doomed to lose all logic and get obsessed with simple things. Like Bernkastel's unspanked ass.

Where exactly is it explained? I thought Higurashi's Bernkastel (the one that writes the poems at thebeginning of each arc) and Umineko's Bernkastel were two differents entity.
Kinda like Battler in RGD. Or the Yamainu leader in Umineko, Okonogi.


Does that mean the character you play in Higurashi, the one that put all the good fragments together to reach the good end is Berkastel?

>>15645001
The thing is, the way Rika moved from fragment to fragment was that every time she got murdered, she got mixed into a big extradimensional Melting Pot of Rikas, and a copy of said Pot of Rikas got shoved into a new Rika every time. Berkanstel is said pot, and she's so pissy and negative because since the Rika that got the good ending never got murdered, she never got dumped into Bernkastel and so she never got to experience it.

Basically, she's the Rika of the second to last game, the one who swore to get back at Takano, except she never got to do that or escape the endless summer because she's not the 'right' Rika.

>>15645033
>Or the Yamainu leader in Umineko, Okonogi.
I'm pretty sure Okonogi in Umineko and Higurashi is the same person

>>15645036
Okay, I get it. Basically, a Rika needs to die to become part of Bernkastel, but since the last Rika didn't die in Hinamizawa, Bernkastel never got out.

>>15645040
>bern is and isn't Frederica and exist and does not exist withint the same universe
Yeah, no, forget it, I'm lost.
Let's see. The one who arrives in the last episode of the anime to change Takano's fate is Frederica Bernkastel, right?

Then does that mean Bernkastel is another version of Frederica, like Lambdadelta is another version of Takano?

>>15645018
She's not an accumulation of bad memories, and Hanyuu isn't the kind of person to do that on purpose. She's ALL of Rika's memories, except for Matsuribayashi-hen.

Hanyuu is NOT Featherine. She's Featherine's piece, created when her horns broke.

>>15645064
I'm pretty sure that chart is full of shit.

Anyway, the identity of the Frederica Bernkastel in the anime isn't exactly clear, but it's reasonable to assume that it's the same Bernkastel we see in Umineko, just younger.

Takano is most definitely NOT Lambdadelta. She was Lambdadelta's piece in her game against Featherine, and I believe that it's implied in one of Umineko's extra TIPS that she granted a wish of Takano's on a whim.

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Couldn't really do her dress properly, but I tired my best

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>>15645064
>Lambdadelta is another version of Takano
She isn't. Episode 8 of Umineko's manga confirms that she was the one who granted Miyo's wish, but they aren't the same

>>15644958
There isn't one, because Bernkastel is basically a god and there isn't anything you, a human, could make her do against her will.

>>15645058
Yup, same person, just took a different career path since it was a different fragment.

>>15645067
I meant the good one where a big Rika tells Takano to turn around and return to her parents.
But the other is complicated too. I thought the one who put the fragments together was Bernkastel. Or at least a part of her.

>>15645095
>>15645127
I meant in a meta sense. Like Philip Butler is another version of Battler.

>>15645148
Everything about witches is meta, though. They exist apart from the fragments. If you mean design-wise, yeah, Lambdadelta is designed after Takano.

>>15645167
Lambdadelta is designed after Takano but they're two distinct people.

Are the Bernkastels the same? Similar appearances, different characters?

Also, yes, I forgot earlier, but...
>>15645127
>Ryukishi retconning Takano as using a witch's power
Fuck you R07. It was better when Takano made it alone instead of having magical help.

>>15645177
Lambda's help only guarantees certainty for those who put forth the effort.

>>15645184
Even so, I don't approve if that retcon. Higurashi was interesting because of the whole "science or magic?" discussion during the tea party. Adding this means it's fucking both.

>>15645177
>Are the Bernkastels the same? Similar appearances, different characters?
Probably not. It's not directly stated one way or another, but there's very little reason to believe that there's more than one Bernkastel.

>Fuck you R07. It was better when Takano made it alone instead of having magical help.
Well, she did cry out to God, IIRC, and a great voyager like 34 is pretty close to one.

>>15645148
>I meant in a meta sense. Like Philip Butler is another version of Battler.
I don't think so. Ryukishi seems to imply in this interview that Miyo and Lambda are unrelated
http://witchhunters.livejournal.com/6828.html

>Why does anyone think [Lambda] has appeared in Higurashi? When human beings encounter an unknown thing, they would automatically regard it as something that exists in their memory. Those who've played Higurashi might have directly fallen into a trap. Those who haven't played it would think [Bern and Lambda] are two ordinary witches. Bernkastel and Furude Rika look similar, so people would think they are the same character. But Lambdadelta and Takano Miyo look nothing alike; they only have similar bangs and eye colour.

>>15645215
All right then.

>>15645211
This was the TIPS I mentioned earlier.

(also, it supports my suspicions that 34's acknowledgement wasn't much more than a formality.)

>>15645215
>>15645224
Okay then. I guess that argument is over then.

>>15645240
What argument? It was just a dude asking for clarification.

>>15645247
It started out as an argument about whether Bernkastel should just get spanked, or having her friends laughing at her. Then it turned into "but who the fuck is Bernkastel" and then it turned into "there are many Bernkastel, and only one looks like a little girl", and now the argument is "but can a wooden spoon hurt a witch's ass?"

And we reached autosage.
Oh well, it's still a long road until page 10.

What was Rudolf's secret already? I remember it has something to do with Battler, but it's only explained once and never mentioned again.

>>15645366
Battler is Kyrie's son, he tells her in Episode 8

>>15645380
Episode 8? I thought it was way earlier.

Rudolf, you dumb fuck.

>>15645389
He mentions in Episode 1 that he has to tell Battler and Kyrie something important, but he doesn't actually tell her until Episode 8

beato

>>15645424
is Bay-i-to or Bai-to?

>>15645412
I wonder how things woulda changed if Kyrie knew that before dying.

I wish the likeness between Kinzo and Battler was explored more in details in the game.
It's shown here and here, mentioned one or twice, but that's all.

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>>15645444
According to the new translation it's supposed to be pronounced like this

>>15645491
It's all in the show rather than the tell. Take another look at episodes 6 - 8 and notice how Battler/Beatrice III mirrors Kinzo/Beatrice I & II.

>>15645500
And how Young Kinzo looks like Battler.

But it's unusual for Ryukishi to be subtle in his story. He made sure to drive the point pretty deep about what Kinzo did to his daughter Beatrice.

Beatrice is supposed to be pronounced the Italian way (be-a-tri-ce), right? I'm pretty sure that's how the spelling in the Japanese version is intended to be pronounced at least

>>15645577
Be-a-tri-che is in japanese.

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Was that kid that was given to Natsuhi Shkannon?

>>15645177
>Fuck you R07. It was better when Takano made it alone instead of having magical help.
She did.

34 powers are only effective as long her will doesn't wander. It's really more of a metaphor, her will is so strong that it bends fate.

>>15645748
...
Does Lambdadelta even exists as a person of is she just the embodiment of iron will?

>>15645778
She's meta. If she's like Bern, she once was a pernson, before becoming a witch.

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>>15645040
>Shitty Mary Sue
Are you talking shit about MY Erika?

>>15645785
So Lambdadelta is iron will incarnated.
What about Buttkastel, Beatrice and Battler?

Should I just reget the game on Steam?

>>15645787
YOUR Erika is fucking shit

>>15645787
I'd spank Bernkastel but I wouldn't even touch Erika. That's how bad she is.

>>15645796
Well fuck you too
I bet your IQ doesn't even compare to the intellectual rapist
That's why you're so dumb and so are your tastes

>>15645723
Yes, so technically Yasu is Jessica's sister as well as her aunt

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>>15645838
Jessica's foster sister than. And her cousin. And her aunt.

Man, it's complicated.

Also, gotta say I love the passive-aggressive Battler/Beatrice couple see in fanpictures.

>>15645040

Everyone loves the ass kicking whore.

Also Bern is kinda a jerk.

>>15645938
>kinda

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>>15645802
Would you marry Erika, even through she's an insane, paranoid, manipulative bitch with a domination fetish?

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>>15645971
I don't see a single negative thing within that sentence

>>15644792
That's what Kyrie did, and the result was that she was hated by her sister who tried to kill her.

>>15645989
>that filename
Well that got dark quickly.

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>>15645971

I would make out with Beato in a corner of one of the hallways and when Erika walked up I would turn around and yell "YOU WILL NEVER A KISS IN A HALLWAY LOLOLOLOLOLOLO" while Beato ahaha.wav's.

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>>15646005
Did you forgot a word or something?

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>>15646025

NEVER A KISS IN A HALLWAY
NEVER A KISS IN A HALLWAY
NEVER A KISS IN A HALLWAY

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>>15646048
Bernkastel makes me lose all logic.

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Here's Photoshop's perspective warp and waifu2x on a smaller res tilted photo of the old Alchemist Beato case. Technology is good.

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>>15646098
And some adjustments for a higher res, but cropped photo

Is there anywhere I can download the PS3 Umineko sprites in one big chunk?

>>15646128
Not that I know. If you find, please tell me.
It'll beat downloading everything sprite from the wiki.

>>15646128
>>15646138
Here's a folder for the high res PS3 sprites

https://www.mediafire.com/?nx7jbx84zr29k

And CGs

www.mediafire.com/?1s913dxwvbqs2pg

>>15646160
You're a nice guy.

>>15646250
I'm not going to explain, I don't want to get in more trouble for posting off-topic stuff. I'll just grab >>15646160's links.

>>15646252
Well, I simply said how I have to fight with my inner self on a mental level every time a buzzword of Dark Knight Rises appears so I won't drown myself in my irony-layered meme laughing about the same joke I've been doing for two years now while doing circles around myself like a retard thanks to having RL friends that find it hilarious to make jokes along those lines and those of constantly saying "nightmare in ciggs st." and "funny dog eat a pepsi".
It would really be a wonder if we didn't get diagnosed with authentic autism after all these years.
No idea what you don't get or how that's connected to the original message being called garbage, but I hope that solves any unnecessary questions

>>15646286
Dunno but I got blocked for "posting garbage" just after calling you a nice guy. So I'm not getting in any argument.

>>15645474
Nothing. She stated that he had a child with Rudolph only to bind him.

I have a question. Did the final Rika (matsuribayashi-hen rika) go through Rei? And by Rei I mean the dream.

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I changed the chart, no idea if its right.

>>15646005

Source on this image?

Please?

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>>15646503

marysuewhowillneverakiss.net

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>>15646539

I should register that.

>>15646507
>the collective negative memories of Rika
When will this die?
Frederika Bernkastel is Rika's memories, period.

The 'being similar to herself' is Bernkastel, the template used to make her 'jump'. Bern doesn't 'assume' anything, they're both Frederica Bernkastel to begin with, it's just that Rika abandons that identity and Bernkastel doesn't. Nobody knows exactly what the hell's going on in Rei, but the split started when Rika got her good ending, it's just then that they realize it. Also, fuck Kira. Fuck Hou as well for that matter.

>>15646507
>Frederica Bernkastel was unnamed throughout most of the story and was the collective negative memories of Rika
I always see this said but never citated.