Elona Thread

>I never got murdered in my sleep
i it the power of the gods? by extension, since even eytheists are safe, does it mean bleesed water bottles aren't the only thing eyth do for you like the other gods?

>>15449329
What IS the best way to get to 2000 speed, anyway?

>>15449474
Lulwy.

>dungeon diving
>cocktarice gazes me
>OHKO from full health
How do I raise my chances of surviving that? I mean, I was 10 levels above my own, but still.

>At that point where I need to start doing dungeons but I get one shotted constantly

This is my least favorite part

>>15449666
What part is that? If that happens I generally just farm up some herbs and eat a bunch to get some more hp.
I keep fucking getting store front captchas, I want something else.

>>15449674
It always happens to me around level 30. Quests stop providing much money so I try to start dungeons. It's probably just because of how I play but my potentials are always terrible by this point. I'm starting to get a flow of potions of potential coming but until they do herbs aren't going to do a lot of good.
I just need to tackle lower level dungeons for awhile. I guess I could dominate a few temporary pets. I might get the shield tonfa to help absorb damage too.

>>15449684
thats what you get for being a scrub that doesn't get performer! haha*shot*

anyway, if you got seven leaugh boots, start doing delivery and escort quests, and don't forget to pick up cargo on the way if you got a way to escape bandits.

what did you use your gold medals on btw?

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>>15449701
Ya I really need to grind up my charisma actually. Call Familiar is so useful. I've been doing those quests since early on, they're always my go to. I never really touch cargo outside of crafting though, maybe I'll give it a try. Problem is that I've been seeing very few good quests.
I only used 20 on a rod of domination since I always like to have one, especially on a magic device user. I still have all the ones hidden in towns and about 20 from dungeons to spend. I think I'll probably just get the tonfa.
I've never managed to do this part of the game right, even on my inner god killer I got to this point where I die in almost every dungeon at least once. Since I have pretty high Alchemy maybe I'll skip right to Necromancy and see if they can work as an early crutch.

I got ruby material kit, what kind of things should I use it on?

do cooking change with quality of furniture or only the base shape decides? what about performance?

Does Magnum compensate over how sucky pistols are?

>>15449772
I think cooking quality is effected by the type, like a top tier cooking station will always have more, even if the material is shit, same goes for beds.

>>15449779
so a masterwork glass oven won't be as good as a silly food processor? glad to know.

>>15449791
Not as far as I'm aware, someone said blessing them effects the food quality, but another anon said that it doesn't or if it does it effects a minuscule amount. I just go for the lighter materials, or just use scrolls of flying since that's easier to get than material kits.

>>15449798
Can't i just scroll of inferrior material untill i get a mica?

>>15449804
I guess you could, but I got plenty scrolls of flying, so no reason not to use them.

>>15449798
Material kits are far easier to get than scrolls of flying, they're just far more expensive cost wise than scrolls of flying.

>>15449708
If you can, try to get It prevents teleportation equipment early. Whoever thought that giving cluster bomb rocks the Draw Shadow special action should be sent to the Death Ground naked.

Oh, and try to get the Sense Object spell. It isn't useless any more and allows you to check behind doors before you open them.

Bomb rocks are the enemy of all life.

>>15449875
Bring spare bottles of dirty water, or whatever other cheap potion you have, alcohol or whatever. Since he's going alchemy he's bound to have plenty. Toss onto bomb rock and wet them, stop explosion.

Ragnarocks though...wew lad.

>>15449708
do you have some meatshield pet?

>>15449875
>bomb rocks
tell me about it.
>fishing
>my cat, which got robe that attracts monsters that i gave him for shit and giggles call in a green tinted harpy and bomb
>somehow ended fishing without bomb exploding
>i *time stop*
>rather than teleporting it away, i try to kill it before it explodes
>it splits instead
long story short, the hair peice i found among the equipment that was left upon death gave me a heart attack, than i realized it was what i fished up.

speaking of which, can we make use of various garbage we fish? i kinda curious about whats in all those porn mags i fished.

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Okay, I'm convinced that "absolute piercing atta[c]k" and "100% pierce" are synonymous. Identical. No avoiding of PV percentage, just the dice. This is testing with a lightsabre.

>>15450126
>"Kill me already"

Poor meat sack.

So in my Martial Arts quest, I've learned something distressing. This thing sucks to level up. At level 100, you stop gaining normal experience if you don't have over 200 potential. I imagine the falloff will be even worse later.

>>15449804
Furniture can't be changed to low tier lightweight materials with scrolls. You can use a scroll to change it to a light high grade material like dawn cloth instead.

>>15450196
You'll soon realize that many, many, skills fall under the same behavior, and it's curbed by that some skills have more means of training than others.

Reminds me that I should really get to testing out Travelling a bit more.

>>15450260

I already know that from experience, but it seems like weapon skills scale particularly horribly. I mean my Tactics is at 100% at around the same level and it's still doing fine.

What's the skill cap again?
I think it's logical when skill progression falls off dramatically after some point, that just means you're approaching legendary-godly levels of said skill. Weapon skills are meant to be used very often and they increase your overall fighting power level so it's not a surprise why it so hard to keep them up.

>>15450314
2000

>>15450314

The cap is at 2,000. I don't really get why they make raising it so hard though, Tactics is easier to raise and adds 0.1 to your multiplier once every 1.5 levels while the weapons give 0.1 every 10 levels. With Martial Arts it makes slightly more sense since it increases your dice every 8 levels but it still really sucks. Plus it doesn't really make sense considering magic is way more useful and seems less painful to raise up after the initial hump.

>>15450196
I believe Continuous Attack might train a bit faster than normal attacks, but I haven't done a lot of testing beyond noticing that each hit trains both Tactics and weapons skills every few hits.

>>15450334

Well, I have another file, and it seems to be kinda random. Some attacks would give about .010 to 0.015 experience, some would give 0.001. Normal attacks always gave experience so that might not be the best path.

>>15449474
Best method I know of is to use AP to 800 speed and then get the rest of the points through herbs and potions(speed uppers/hermes blood). Other methods of raising speed or propping it up is Lulwy, high swimming skill and being wet, speed rings/equipment that come with speed bonuses, a fast mount and a good riding skill, the agile feat line, and the feat kokou which increases speed by 20% when alone. If you're a solo player then kokou is a natural fit for you however if you do run pets, you can put them away to take advantage of the feat. The feat also naturally kicks in if your pets should die on you.

>>15449708
Some useful tips that may or may not be helpful master, are to get some potions of mutation. Can find them on magic vendors. Big threatening enemy isn't so much of a threat if hit by potion of mutation and morphed into a putit. A more permanent solution/ace up our sleeve for us magic device users is to keep our eyes open for a rod of change creature. You just need one as you can use draw/refill to keep that rod charged. Always funny to see a threatening Atlas turned into a Yeek.

I also think blessed restore body and spirit potions enhance your attributes when drank and the buffs they provide last for a very long time or until death. Potions are relatively common on magic vendors. Aside from investing in magic vendors for potions of potential you can also make potions of potential yourself through high enough alchemy. If you do decide to get a pet, a pet with a relationship value of fellow or higher can cook you breakfast. If you go to bed at around 9PM in the game your pet has a chance of making you breakfast and that breakfast can restore your attribute potentials. The better the cooking skill of said pet the more attribute potential is restored.

I've always wondered how the grenade invoke works. How is the damage calculated? Does it use the base damage of the weapon or is it based on control magic like a smaller Raging roar?

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Th-thanks devs

>>15450436
They should also add the chance of generating a fake seed that will instakill you instead because it's just too easy. Am I playing hardcore japanese grindan or what?

>>15450329
Because I think the way of looking at it as "well you must get to 2000" is different from whatever design philosophy Noa actually had. 2000 in anything is a pain in the ass, and nobody is going to argue that the game is still currently in development, so maybe they had originally intended it so that the weight of weapon skills wouldn't be so significant that changing over between weapons meant shafting your damage.

tl;dr ask noa

>>15450436
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh god the tears halp. the age of grindan is at hand. we thought we were grindan but we were just casul all along

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>>15449875
I like to teleport myself though, clusters won't be a problem for a little while, when they are I'll bring out all the tricks.
It shows you enemies behind corners? That's what kills me 90% of the time. It's always turn a corner and oop there's a swarm of hounds specific to your lowest resist, ded.

I agree though, fuck bomb rocks. They're pieces of shit. I've been thinking of dominating one or two and evolving them. Use them as emergency attacks with Call Familiar.

>>15449913
No, I usually dominate a Minotaur around this point but I haven't yet. I guess I probably should. I hate using throw away pets though.

>>15450369
Change creature rods are all that get me through most dungeons, regardless of character. On Torte I think I was carrying 8 or so at all times by the end. They're the perfect escape from almost any situation. Quick use works with them right? So I can change two creatures at once, or one creature twice? Best.
Ya I've always used blessed restores, if you haven't been then make sure to. I think it's something like 20% to all stats when using both.
The pet cooking thing is something I need to get working on. I have my little rabbit but I'm unsure if I want to go through with raising him. There are a lot of advantages but trading 20% speed for one or two pets is questionable.

>>15450436
pls no
no
pls

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>>15450436
I was wondering why the yields from my 42 statues looked weird in this patch. So herb generation though statues took a hit, well no matter. The method(Repeating little sister quest for precious item copying) stays the same however the emphasis may now be shifting the other way me thinks. In the past the problem came up for me concerning ratios of Kumiromi statues to Kumiromi gemstones. In light of these changes, it may be better to stock up more gemstones than statues. I've been slowly gathering gemstones but now I have even more reason to start accumulating more. I needed to do more dungeons anyways for platinum to raise my spell levels anyways. Guess I'll lean a bit more on my music tickets for herbs until I get a gemstone collection that rivals my statues.

>>15450554
>I've been thinking of dominating one or two and evolving them.

Not as useful in practice as it is in conception. I think they fixed the split mechanics though, but even if they fixed it. Still not that useful.

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>>15450436
WOW

>>15450585
Oh really? Well that's a shame. Then again I'll be starting Necromancy soon and they can self destruct, so whatever.
I need to find myself a bell skin/heart/bone and see how far that coffin can get me.

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Got another one

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>>15450691
Ehekatl hugs you, "Back up your save! Promise you'll back up your save!"

So I take it there's no good reason to update past 1.57 if I'm on that?

>>15450724
Will do chief; this sword will grow to be a big strong sword.

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It's been a long time since I've gotten back to Elona
Anyone have that map .bmp in the pastebin?
The link is broken
Have this rare sprite in exchange

Anyone ever raise a quickling instead of a bell?

>>15450739
If you're not into the whole grind to the end and you're really just playing to go through the story and whatnot, then there's no good reason not to update. The latest couple patches and pending patches have hit grinding somewhat, but it doesn't have an extreme impact on the main story which is still pretty easy to push through using traditional methods.

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>>15450739
Newer characters, go for it. You won't notice the difference.

Older characters, prepare for suffering.

My only complaint about Elona+ is how seeds work. I liked how rotting food would give seeds if you worshiped Kumi in vanilla. I think they should go back to that. Don't require Kumi and only give it a relatively small chance of giving one, like 15% per piece of food, maybe a slight increase with your gardening. Have the Kumi statue just rot all the food you're carrying at an increased chance for seeds.

>>15451415
I think with the recent changes, it's just a matter of "every way of grinding will be hit and you can all enjoy the grind longer!"

>>15451483
>>15451405
I really don't like the direction the game is going. Elona is fun because of how bonkers things get and how creatively you can break the game and then have the game break you back. Stop nerfing fun.

>>15451488
Well let's put it this way. Realistically, this is a niche game for a niche audience...and the guys that grind to 2k are a niche within a niche to a fair extent.

Basically what's fun to you, isn't fun to somebody else. That somebody else won.

It's been a long time since I last played Elona but I'm feeling it now. What spritesheets do you guys normally use? Could I get the spritesheet from my old version and edit in the sprites from the new Elona version to sort of update it, or might it break something? This is probably a dumb question.

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>>15451630
Right now I'm on 1.54 and been using the exact same sheet sine 1.44, as you can see from the old colors used in the custom sprite section. I even extended it with the newer sprites from the more recent sheets for when I prepare to upgrade, and still never really experienced any known problems.

[Changes and additions]
* Pets' Investing skill now has some effect when the player is investing shop (the sum of 1/5 of each of their Investing skill, capped at the player's Investing skill level). They will also receive experience to the skill.
* Rare herbs now recover 20 times as much potential. The amount of potential recovered by food infused with herb remains the same. This is to buff the option of eating herbs as they are.

[Fixes]
* Added more measures to prevent sell price overflow.

>>15451696
Thanks, that helps a bit. I guess it isn't super important to stay updated to the latest version? I see a bunch of people here complaining about this latest patch, in which case I might just go to 1.58.

>>15451563
I didn't grind to 2k though. I respect the people doing it but numbers for numbers sake isn't fun for me. I only got to as many stats as I needed to kill the inner gods and I was done.

It's not that the herbs specifically are being nerfed, it's the limiting of strategies and ways to play. Realistically Kumi statues are OP, if they're being nerfed I do wish there was something picking up the slack but whatever. It's just that I don't like seeing things nerfed period. That said I do like some of the other changes. The expansion on Necromancy, the things they're doing with spell potential are interesting. Maybe I'm just paranoid because Elona is the only game of its kind, and probably my favorite. I don't want to see it change, just added onto.

>>15451740
>Pets make everything cheaper
>20 (TWENTY) TIMES

I take it back.

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So far early necromancy is actually pretty decent. This Lich is hitting pretty hard and is faster than me. I'm still looking for a monster eye to upgrade it. I also might need to pump plat into Anatomy since I think it's really limiting the thing's level.
Also I lost the DD cemetery key that spawns in the graveyard. I have no idea where it went, I left it in my house but it isn't there. Hopefully one shows up somewhere else soon.

>>15452030
Worshipping Yacatect increases drop rates.
Also I've seen the DD cementery key on general goods shops before.

>>15452067
Ya I was going to worship her next for cheaper investment/palace. I might make her my final god for parts. Lulwy would be good too for speed and magic device though.
I have as well on Torte, they're fairly uncommon though. I've seen a few in dungeon runs as well. I'm also a little concerned with how I'm going to get coffins once I use the ones from the pyramid/crypt.

>>15452030
would be cool if they added it as a skill

>>15452079
The one in Palmia could be good if you have pickpocket.

>Oh the Lich will help me do this high level hunting quest
>Forget to take Lich back when finishing it

Goodbye my friend

>>15452087
What, Necromancy? It kind of already is. I mean it's basically just Alchemy+Anatomy.

>>15452093
Does it respawn? I know I've stolen that on other characters when tinkering with it but can't quite remember. I have a few incognito scrolls so I'll go get pickpocketing soon then.

>>15452100
Everything respawns after a few days in cities, that's why items dissappear after you leave them on the ground for too long.

>>15452143
Right right, I should probably have known that. Good to know there's a renewable source of them. There's one near the mage's guild as well I think.

>>15451861
You're only going to get even more disappointed with that kind of attitude to be honest. With the changes as they've popped up, it seems like the prevalent mindset is that everything is fine as it is, and noa is just dropping things down/nerfing so everything is at the "same level".

I suppose when everything is at the same level, then every strategy is viable.

I mean it would have been simple to make it so that everything leveled up ridiculously fast and buffed everything else so that you could get massive numbers without much work. There's even a mode for that. But maybe it's because there's a mode for that that we're seeing nerfs instead of cross the board buffs.

>>15451740
Ok, the other pet skill supports sort of make sense, but how's a pet supposed to help with Investing? Are they making cute/sad eyes at the shop owner while you negotiate? Is it Mafia style intimidation? I don't get it.

>>15452215
When Mras are one of the best shopkeepers, I'm sure you can imagine how "persuasive" they can be. This will be interesting to see if other skills will see "pet contributions" as well.

>>15450232
you mean inferior material scrolls won't work?

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>>15452246
Have it so my pets with the gardening skill can help me harvest all my farms. Please make it so Ano.

Aside from a couple of vegetable, fruit, and magic seed farms, those are all herb farms. Prior to the nerf, it wasn't so hard to expand this far out with 42 Kumiromi statues which I visited every 5 days, 10 Kumiromi gemstones that refresh every 3 days, and the scissors of Kumiromi. I ignored my withering plants as I could just wait for the gemstones to refresh so I could revive them. Now after the nerf to the statues, if I can just get my gemstones up there in number I can get back what I lost. The idea being that since the scissors guarantee replant and the gemstones revive withered plants, having enough gemstones will let me revive multiple entire fields every 3 days.

Just getting one herb seed from a statue goes a long way if said herb seed produces an herb plant that will always produce herbs and can't permanently die. A combo of new herb seeds and revivals should recoup any loss and allow me to hit critical mass again if I ever want to expand. Probably not though. I have enough.

>>15452332
Kai, what the fuck?

How can I survive hyper gravity? why does it do so much damage to me?

I went through a moongate and something I couldn't see gave me a ahit tonne of diseases. What the hell could it have been?

>>15452541
pumpkin kin throwing potions

>>15452664
Why did you use those cursed scrolls of flying?

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>>15452336
I like to think that almost everyone knows who my character is in North Tyris. At least, people west of Palmia as I'm sure the people who travel the roads have asked who on earth placed all these farms here. I like to also think Kumiromi is rather pleased that my "farmland infection" is slowly eating North Tyris. All just to feed my ravenous pets and I. Yuki, my Valkyrie, probably eats just as much as Saber from Fate/Stay. Ditto for my other pets.

>>15452689
Heavier weapon adds base damage iirc, though I'm not sure at what weight it caps. I think you get up to around 40 more base damage, and I can wield it pretty well.

>>15452664
How do you track attributes?

>>15452708
I think its yacatects glasses, and Anna's Elona Custom with the tweaks enabled

>>15452664
How exactly are you getting 1785 PV from this setup?

>>15452736
The holy shield buff gives an assload, I have a natural 700 from armor and the -255 speed +255 PV etherwind mutation

>>15452704

Doesn't it just add damage to critical hits?

>>15452889
I barely ever not crit so it works out fine.

>>15450369
>a fast mount and a good riding skill
doesn't this invalidate all other speed stuff though? also does riding invalidate kokou?

Enhances your spells affects rods as well, right?

>>15453738
riding remove kokou, also it will never take you to 2k speed, only 1800

>>15454065
Are you talking about riding not taking you to 2k speed? That's not true then. It most definitely can.

>>15453738
Yes, it does invalidate kokou but some of the other speed upgrade stuff does work with riding. You see, instead of upgrading your character's speed with AP, potions, and herbs, that should be going to your mount. Your mount's speed is your speed if you're a rider so the focus switches to the mount in where the upgrades go. Anyhow, out of what was listed, use what works for you. I just threw examples out on how people get to 2000 speed.

What's that item that stops plants from having a fixed chance to not replant and where do I get it?

>>15455971
Scissors of Kumiromi

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Other_items

>>15454919
you're right i tested it again and got up to 2k, i wonder what i fucked up last time i tested it

>>15456062
Thanks anon

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Finally got a monster part valuable enough for more Necromancy. I used remodel on this one for control since I was a bit scared when he popped out above level 80.

Not bad at all. He's also over twice as fast as me. I feel like that's going to change pretty quickly once I can start using my AP, but 200 speed really isn't too shabby. I think he's also more limited by dungeon level rather than my skills, so I'm having more and more faith in this build.

>>15456126
Wasn't the level based off of your skill and the ingredients used more than the dungeon level and whatnot? I don't remember the last time I did it, but you might be able to actually google the formula.

>>15456163
I've taken a look at it a few times. It's basically just Alchemy+Anatomy but it's limited to 1.5x your maximum dungeon level cleared. The level is completely independent of the material, that determines what species they are. One nice thing is that the level is determined whenever they're summoned, not just when you make them.

Just did a few dungeons with him. He's strong, very strong. Again, speed being a limiter worries me a bit but we'll see. With Alch/Anatomy raising gear and deeper dungeon levels, it might make up for it. I'm eager to get a little swarm of them and make them self destruct on something scary.

>>15456201
Well 194 is a bit slow for a level 89, but I suppose if you get up to the level 100 - 150 range with your coffin, you might be able to get a better sense of how well their speed will plot out? Maybe noa will address it in later updates.

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This is pretty fun actually. It's a bit different from playing with pets. I really need to get that weight lifting up though.
Necro Force: Undead Strengthen seems to consume more mana the more targets it affects, way more. It might also be based off level? I wish I could check how much it impacts them. Maybe I can find two insight lens'. It's starting to seem like magic device was specifically built to compliment Necromancy. Not only does using it level Alchemy but if this is how much mana the Necro Force spells cost I can't imagine using attack spells as well.

Are Sweet Potatoes and Melons bugged? Whenever I unload a bunch of cooked food in my Food shop and come back when it can't sell anything else, I usually find sweet potato and melon dishes left over and they cannot sell whatsoever. Also for some reason those types refuse to rot in compost too.

>>15456931
They don't rot if I remember correctly, they never sold in my shop either and I left them there for over 6 in-game months.

I wish I knew how powerful Swimming was before. A potential 1,000 extra speed just for being wet? I thought it was just a throwaway thing but that's insane. I mean, getting to 2,000 Swimming probably isn't going to happen but even something like 100 Swimming is a nice boost.

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Finally got a chance to test the Necro self destruct. Practically one shot this boss Isca. I'm not sure how well it's going to scale but this build is seeming stronger and stronger.
Beat act 1 so I can start boosting speed with AP. Let's see how they fair after that starts.

>>15457135
I think your biggest concern will hit when you hit the "70 and 130" jump, with the first being the first small hop in speed averages, and the second when you start fighting against God mobs. It'll be interesting to see how Necromancy handles the speed tier jumps.

>>15456981
I think maybe Potatoes are the same, they don't seem to rot in my inventory and never sell in my shop.

>>15457181
Around that point is when dungeon level will stop being a limiting factor, but my Alchemy+Anatomy isn't too far ahead of it. Anatomy is still low enough that I can bring it to 400% relatively easily but Alchemy takes a good amount more work. If I don't keep them both up there then I'm sure these guys will fall off. I'll probably just keep Magic Device at 100% with skill points and devote all my plat to the other Necromancy. I can also change my gear around to be +Alchemy/Anatomy instead of Magic Device, I'm sure that would help a lot. One thing of note is that you can give them swimming through remodel. When I gave my Liches control magic it was something like 109 at level 8x. If swimming is the same then that could be a major boost in speed. They don't have inventories though so I can't give them that item that makes them always wet. It also means they won't have control magic and mine isn't high enough that I can trust it. They can probably one shot me.

How have people been boosting skill potentials outside of plat since they nerfed the sox to scrolls of growth thing?

Steam release when?

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>>15457573
Soon

>>15457583
I was only joking, but man, that's awesome. I've never expected to see this little gem on Steam.

>>15457583
Not that much would change if it updated to steam though, besides maybe automatic updates and whatnot? it's not like getting the client is difficult right now.

>>15449329
Why were the custom spritesheets removed from the pastebin?

>>15457583
So what will happen exactly? That's just the main Elona and not + right? We will see it being born anew or what?

So far the only advantages I can see is people getting interested and adding mods to the workshop also the game getting the online features back. But I worry about Elona+'s compatibility.

>>15457583
I think that it would have to either have a price tag, or have some sort of thing inside? Since otherwise it's not allowed on the steam store, I read that on the nethack vulture steam page if I remember correctly.

>>15457645
The way I see it, it's probably going to be vanilla Elona released on steam. Maybe version 1.22. Noa may possibly use the earnings to help fund further development of his game.

While it's possible new Elona could refer to Elona+ I highly doubt that's the case. Ano did his own thing with the source code and most likely had a different vision of Elona than what Noa did. Due to this, I see Elona+ as an entirely different fork from Elona. As such, I would not expect Elona+ saves to be compatible with anything Noa might be cooking up.

While I guess one should be happy to see Elona get more exposure through steam, I can just imagine the shit that might go down considering the controversial things that are in the game. Heh, worse case that could go down is that Noa is forced to tone down, censor, or even remove said elements. Meanwhile Ano's Elona gets to keep all of the controversial elements.

Probably will be people that prefer Elona+'s mechanics to Noa's or vice versa. Then we'll get to look forward to future shitfests of Noa's Elona vs Ano's Elona if Noa's Elona ends up being good.

>>15457583
>Elona goes public for normalfags to see
we are living in interesting times.
Well, its not as bad as GTA, after all, here you don't have to be bad.

>>15457697
Worst that could happen is some fruitcakes get their panties in a twist about having pet little girls, lets just hope they keep their autism on their forums and don't go sending a shitton of hate mail to noa or something.

>>15457700
Having a little girl as pet isn't controvorsial as having a ranch full of them.
but yeah, i guess the little girl will be removed from the starting pet choice, and some items will be changed. i guess leash, for starters, will become a magnet or something. you know, to ease the shock for normalfags.

>>15457583
is he realy expecting people to switch back to vnilla after all the stuff + added?

>>15457729
What if they decide to work together on a Steam release?

>>15458046
the money they'll be making with steam release after gaben cut won't be nearly enough for the effort to completely translate e+ (good luck selling a non english game on steam)

>>15458052
A lot of E+ is translated, especially older content

>>15457583
I can already see people complaining about Shena's ass. The game will most likely have to be censored.

>>15457700
Those same fruitcakes probably won't play the game past the tutorial anyway. The initial outcry from them will be good for exposure too. Then it'll settle down as they find something else to bitch about.

>>15458183
Level is only a number.
But he probably also achieved better stats, pets, equipment and lodging than you.
Thing is, its really only the journy that matters. as long as you are having fun you are winning elona. if you really want to compete start power playing- but thats not always fun.

>>15458207
>in the toturial you eat a begger
suddenly loli prostitutes in derphy aren't that bad.
but yeh, the reactions would be fun to watch.

>>15457697
You can fuck and rape anything that moves here and make an army of slave little girls though.

been living under a rock but does anyone know where rueken went? pixiv is gone.

>>15458239
>rape
you mean squzee someone when you are sleepy?

what affects damage and accuracy? the weapon skills seem to add very little

>>15458505
I mean, smashing bottles on strangers' faces and dry them and their wallets, and maybe kill them and eat their corpses afterwards.

>>15458574
That's why this game reminds me of space station 13 sometimes.

>>15458592
I actually spent a few months as a Juere Pianist with a clown PCC. I liked to imagine that the items thrown when I performed were out of anger.

>>15458574
I just use Bewitch.
eah, who am i kidding, performance all the way.
except when i need to train faith. than its preaching time.

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Anyone interested in different basic tiles? I've found a nice image on pixiv. Since it mostly replaced basic ground tiles I incorporated it into other tiles, like the grass-with-fence one for instance. So all cred goes to soap.H
Apologies for the bad image quality here. I had to reduce the quality or it wouldn't fit on 4chan. Not shown here is basic dirt. You know, the one your cave starts out with. The stairs are also replaced with more fancy ones. I had them for quite a while and I forgot where I got them from. Drop the image into your graphics folder. Maybe backup your previous one in case you want to change it back.
I would like to post more often but I recently changed my ISP and they utilize a proxy cache so I get autobanned and have to apppeal every godforsaken time I want to post here.

https://jii.moe/Ey3wLN9SW.bmp

>>15458624
Has the preaching bug been fixed, or do you still need to switch to JP to safely preach?

>>15458624
Performance is the best of course but before getting to the point people wouldn't try to kill me just because I played the piano I had to live months a mini ass towns while playing in a corner like a complete autist all day and from time to time whore myself out for spare change so I could eat and survive.

>>15457583
Just to be clear: this was Noa that made the post? Not JDstroy? Will it also be vanilla Elona that goes on steam or E+?

...Is Custom compatible with 1.22?

>>15458638
Nice.

>I would like to post more often but I recently changed my ISP and they utilize a proxy cache so I get autobanned and have to apppeal every godforsaken time I want to post here.


Holy fuck. This is probably a stupid question since I don't know all that much about IT but would using a VPN or proxy server work?

>>15458638
I like it a lot, except for the Noyel one. I think I'll end up using it but modify the snow part so I can keep the original.

>>15458542
For Ranged you want marksman which increases the multiplier. Pretty sure weapon skills add to the dice and the accuracy; for melee you want tactics.

>>15458443
I recall someone from a previous thread saying that he/she was literally dead. I don't know what happened there but here we are.

>>15458665
>would using a VPN or proxy server work?
Not as far as I know. They usually get detected.

Should I push up my attribute potentials before gobbling down herbed curarias?

>>15458709
If possible, yes.

>>15458649
>bug
preaching doesn't crash elona for me ever since i returned to it at 1.58

when elona crashes on other ocassions, what really happens is that an error window pops up.
I CAN STILL PLAY
i just move the error window away, and exit the game normally.

>>15458661
what kind of tool ware you using? how high was your performance?

>>15458638
sweet. but really, noyel was uneeded.

>>15458709
>herbing in herbs
holy shit
never thought of doing that

how does the elona chat works, exactly?

>>15458934
It doesn't, not anymore.

>>15458946
What if someone will rehost chat's server?

>>15458927
You need to bless one halve of the curarias though. Otherwise the pot doesn't differentiate between them and tells you that you can't choose curarias twice in the process.

>>15459004
ill just leave one of them unidentified

>>15459004
I just mix unidentified curarias into my identified ones.

>>15458983
The way it worked previously was through two methods: first, the Elochat application allowed you to communicate with any other player listening as if it were IRC. So you could type "Putits suck" in Elochat, and if anyone wanted to respond to that, they could. The second method was through the normal in-game message log, where things like deaths and wishes from other players would be displayed periodically if you didn't push any keys.

>>15459009
>>15459012
I'm afraid of curses ;_;

>>15459029
curses don't transfer when you mix in cursed items.
at least they never did for me. use the unidentified curaria as 'cuaria' and the identified one as food.

>>15458638
Oh, this is pretty nifty. Glad to see you're still on, Akiko.

I hope you don't mind if I add this to the Pastebin, too.

>>15459050
Yeah, I'm still on the ball. There's just this ISP bollocks, exams and other games coming in the way.

So, should I just use the Elona+ custom version or is the custom experimental better?

>>15459111
Experimental is, well, experimenta; probably not for general use, really. I don't even know if it's current to the current version of Elona+.

>>15459111
The experimental build is far outdated. In recent updates of regular Elona+ Custom, the experimental build merged with the regular one (hence the "externalize" folder), so the experimental build is obsolete. You shouldn't worry about the externalize folder unless you're helping out with the translation efforts.

>>15459201
Right, thanks

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Just cleared a higher level dungeon and got a new type of undead. 20 levels high than my previous max and it's only very slightly faster. It's possible the doll is just slower than a Lich but it's worrisome. I guess I could Alchemical Rain speed potions, but that sounds really questionable.
It also has superb resists across the board.

Well this is a pretty weird roguelike, but it looks really fun, I'm gonna need some time to get used to the controls though.

>>15459407
I find Elona's controls much more sensible than other Roguelikes. It actually seems like it's trying to make itself playable instead of having intentionally shitty nonsense controls because it's "just how Roguelikes are"

>>15459417
The "big" roguelikes tend to have good controls, most of the time atleast.

I'm not saying the controls are bad but since they are so different I'm gonna need some time to get used to them.

Also I need to learn some guides because I got killed in the damn tutorial.

>>15459436
>learn
read*

>>15459436
I disagree. DCSS has god awful controls and that's in a lot of people's opinion the biggest name these days. I like that Elona has things like just hitting enter/space on most things to interact, and being able to open most item menus by just hitting (d)rop and tabbing through.

>Guides
Elona is definitely a "wiki" game. I don't have time to do a big write up but remember that one of the defining features of the game is that you start incredibly weak, stupidly weak. So weak that a little girl (pick the little girl) has to be your body guard for several hours of play time. You go through a few stages of exponential growth though. Eventually you're one shotting old gods and forgotten horrors without even noticing.

Stick with it. Read the pastebin in /rlg/ and here. Ask as many questions as you like here too, all of us have at some point. I think most of us like seeing new players kind of document their adventures through screenshots and questions too.

>>15459452
>DCSS has god awful controls
Well if you say so, when I was writing the post I was actually gonna include DCSS has one of the examples of roguelikes with good controls, but I guess I was wrong.

I'll ask you guys if I find something that I need help with, I'll check the wiki and pastebins first though, I don't want to ask very dumb questions.

>>15459461
I just think DCSS could have had much simpler and less fling your hand all around your keyboard controls. It wouldn't have been hard. It's not that the controls are the worst, but that they chose not to make them better. I mostly just have a hate boner for them I guess.

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877 hours in my character has finally reached the MP cap of 20 million. He has also finally capped his first skill. Magic Device at skill level 2000. I've made a backup of my save file on both a cloud and an external hard drive. I plan to retire Kai and focus on my new Elona project I've been entertaining.

Going to make a martial artist/caster/magic device user character. To up the ante I'm going to play on Inferno. I'll name that character Kai as well because I'm not a creative person. In light of the recent changes, I think it's going to be fun to see how my former strategies for power attainment have changed. I already have ideas for how I'd change up my objectives.

>>15459535
>877 hours
Jesus christ

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>>15459535
Have you reached the bottom of the void yet? Any idea what kind of pets you're getting for inferno?

>>15459535

What's the plan for Martial Arts? I can see you potentially giving up on the melee aspect because even at 2000 MA and Tactics the damage just isn't there compared to magic. I tested it out for the hell of it and it was only 30,000-50,000 damage with two tonfas equipped and a claw in the shoot slot. Seems like it'd only be worth it if you were a multi armed mutant.

>>15459535
Are you planning to inherit any items from your current character?

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Undead Restore can bring you below 0 health apparently. I didn't die though, immediately healed and I was fine. Not sure if I would have died had I tried to move around. The more summons you have out the less usable Necro Force becomes.

>>15459535
Good night sweet prince. Your autism will go down as the stuff of legend. I'm extremely impressed, you really put me to shame. Good job buddy.

>>15458918
It was when I just started playing the game as a pianist fairy and right after the very basics I decided to just train performance before anything else. After a while I moved to Yowin so I also trained farming.
As soon as I reached 30 performance I started rolling in money with my pets.

>>15459564
>Undead Restore can bring you below 0 health
>I didn't die though
I want to say this is intentional, it's too perfect not to be.

>>15459636
I think it is considering it doesn't give you a warning message. Undead Strengthen can also bring you below 0 MP without causing magic reaction. Really fitting for Necromancy, you're right.

>>15459535
>Your ADD prevents you from having the patience to grind to this point

>>15459535
>not scoring 2k in every skill
>not scoring 2k in every attribute
>not reaching 20 million HP
Come on son, you're so close.

>>15459713
>2000 in magic capacity
That alone will take forever.

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40 minutes at character generation lol...well I certainly am not winning any speed run rewards at this rate but it was worth it just to get the most fitting alias ever for my character. Character is supposed to be the son of my former character and his wife Yuki/Valkyrie. I'm not inheriting anything from my previous save. I'm not sure if I can or not but would rather start completely fresh so that I can run through my former strategies and revise as needed.

Race is Eulderna. Class is Predator which I renamed. Feats are Exorcist, Kokou, and Vampiric Ability.

>>15459547
Haven't reached the bottom. Not sure if it even has a bottom although there is a rumor that it does. Last floor I did in the void was lv 566 I think. I was still getting AP on that floor. If the wiki is true about AP being capped at 80,000, I was very close to capping that as well and the deepest a player might have to go for AP is maybe void lv 600 to cap AP? At any rate, I made a backup of my previous character if I ever want to bring him out of retirement and push the deepest levels of the void. That or my inferno character dies.

I don't really intend to start working on any pets until I get to South Tyris and have access to Leold's stuff. However, I do have plans for what I want my first two to be. My first pet will be the little girl which I'll evolve into littler girl. She will be a martial artist like me because as far as rp is concerned she's my pupil. My second pet will be an Elea dual wielder. Doing that because nabbing a random Elea should have low INI and dual wield is pretty strong. Should be an easy pet to build up.

>>15459551
For Martial Arts I plan on using special actions tied to martial arts or buffs to raise the damage output. Friend was raising a pet with martial arts at around 1000 and only 400 tactics. Was getting 70,000+ crits on enemies in the void. Pet had like 700 strength. Normal damage is kinda meh but she was criting so often that I took note of the damage. If you run around constantly with rampage the damage I imagine goes up too. Plan to get the smash tonfa to enable multi hits as well. Can probably get to 140,000 damage with some work. Then there's the special actions related to martial arts and those might be interesting. Probably will equip something with proximity assist as well. Hero buff should help out my damage multiplier a bit too.

>>15459713
Maybe someday with my previous character but right now I want to try my hand at inferno mode.

>>15459561
Starting fresh so I'll be in down in the trenches with you guys trying to create strong characters.

>>15459564
Thanks master.

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Oh yes. I'm not sure what a Grass Killer is but its heart was worth 4 times more than any I've seen so far. It was totally worth the death 2 turns later.
I'm eager to see what these thing's full potential is.

>>15459471
Was playing DCSS the other day and i agree the controls are awful

Elona is in another league simply by the fact that you can rebind most of the stuff easily. Made myself a setup where i don't have to even move the hand, real comfy.

>>15460055
>Exorcist

I don't get it, unless it's for RP.

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This is getting out of hand. Soon I'll have a set of coffins for normal fights and one for suicide bombing. I'll need a bunch of insight lens' to find out which type has the best scaling con, then remodel them for con again.

Liches are definitely the most useful. They may even be more useful than Dead Eyes just because they'll attack at really long range. Dead Eyes does more damage and in a wider range, but it spends too many turns moving into range. Same goes for Zombie Dragon. That said it's possible I just notice the Liches more because I have 5 of them and their attacks are more visible. I think I'm going to save up for Barrier before properly boosting speed, that way I can tackle some much higher level dungeons without getting one shot and test them out under those conditions.

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>>15460489
It's practically tradition at this point for me to take excorcist. I took it at character creation for the Jure Pianist I made a long time ago when I was first learning the game. I took it at character generation for godslayer Kai. Now I'm taking it again for this character at character generation. I take the feat because I can't be bothered to deal with curses from jerks when my character sleeps or from enemies in dungeons that curse my gear. It pretty much eases my character's life at the beginning. I picked the feats I knew that would fit my playstyle and I'm sure others have their own preferences. I find it a moot point to argue over feats though because in the end, you can get all of them anyhow through wishing for miromi.

Enjoying inferno mode so far. Playing it safe currently by just doing deliveries and escort quests that are short distances. Using the platinum I get to learn all skills and the gold I get to equip myself. Soon I'll move onto getting enough gold medals to open up the void.

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The new witch shack gave me 10 insight lens so I decided to test out how potent Undead Strengthen is.

Here's before. 100 speed higher than last time I checked their stats. It will definitely be a bit of an issue later but I don't think it will be as awful as I previously thought. I just need to keep pumping plat into Anatomy and Alchemy. Get some gear that boosts it, artifact fuse if need be.

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>>15460766
and here's after. Once I get Barrier it might not be worth it to use until I get way more MP. The 100ish speed is nice but the moderate increase to Strength and Magic probably aren't worth more than my full mana bar.

Also, he has 101 Control Magic because of the remodel. I'm certain their breath would one shot me if it didn't have that. For most of these guys it isn't even a choice on which to take.

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>>15460780
At some point my Dead Eyes learned Converge Breath. I don't even know what that is but apparently it stops time and it's one shot anything its used it on. They weren't doing this before, maybe they learned it at 150? If that's the case then the others might have something similar.

>>15460897
It's a special gauge attack for breath types.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Special_action_(Elona%2B)
It's all the way to the bottom of the page.

>>15460897
Converge Breath is the Dead-eyes's Gauge Release when it uses a breath type attack at 100% gauge (the yellow bar near its HP bar).

You can use a Gauge Release by going into your skill menu and selecting <Gauge Release> when at 100% gauge (the percentage below your own HP bar). Dunno if this feature was implemented while you were still playing, Torte (or should I say, The Bone King Flavor?), but you should give it a try too.

>>15460917
Oh okay, I ctrl+f'ed Converge Breath on that page but didn't see it. I might have been on the vanilla page by mistake. Thanks. That explains why my Dragon Zombies are using it too.
Surprising I haven't seen it till now. Probably because the Liches were taking care of things before Dead Eyes could get to them.

>>15460923
Ya I know it was, I always forget to use it unless I'm in that "if I don't kill it this turn I die" mentality though. Didn't know it would work differently for breath attacks. Does that mean once I get MP breath I can use Converge Breath? Neat.

level 25 and I just caught my first little sister. What's the first prize I should consider getting?

>>15461037
I always get something Kumiromi related, either his gem, or a statue, so I think those are the best, but if you have zero farms they are completely useless.

>>15458934
>>15458983
If you want technical details, Elona uses HTTP to communicate with the chat server.
Due to a mistake in the way Elona issues the HTTP request (it puts question marks in the header field and an absolute URI on the request line. Absolute URIs should only be used with on an HTTP Proxy), chat cannot be restored by simply getting a new chat server.

Jdstroy has the option to work around this by using Ngrok, but Ngrok doesn't provide you with a static host unless you pay for it. So either someone has to pay the subscription fee (~$5 per month), or someone has to write custom code for Elona to generate dynamic hosts assigned by Ngrok's free option. Or contact Ano and get him to fix the source code so Elona generates the HTTP header correctly.

>>15459452
don't tell him to powerplay. ok in the first stages you need to do everything to survive, but afterwards just have fun.
it helps that until level 5 death brings no panelty, so yeah.

>>15459571
well, i found that certain character (like talkable npcs) are harder to plaese than others. while i also had a rugh start with performer, teleporting dangerous elements before playing and the fact i already had a few levels under my belt when i started going for performer (lich rogue) i managed to play
i spent a lot of silvers -and sp- before it became really usefull, but party time quests are really paying off the initial coin investment, and sp are simply something you use instead of grinding anyway.

>>15459724
1. use mana burst
2. start casting

>>15460362
>grass killer
sounds like a quickling.

Am I screwed now that I lost my monster balls? I've managed to capture 3 monsters, but ended up dying a lot and I must have dropped 2 monster balls in one of the dungeons.

>>15461531
You can get more but its pretty rare

You can also just cheat past this hurdle

>>15461531
You're not screwed since you can just complete the quest later. If you don't want to be a lame cheater you can always wait until you have access to an NPC in South Tyris that sells monster balls. Think you can make monster balls through a pot of fusion or whatever it's called.

the book seller is ded, do guild maps reset or are static? don't want to reset manually as i invested a lot in it

>>15461557
Either the NPC will respawn if you wait long enough or you can try to see if a resurrect scroll or spell works on bringing the NPC back.

>>15461557
Pretty sure its static, but shopkeepers should respawn after a few days.

>>15461531
i hope you turned the monster balls as soon as you captured a monster in them, they are pretty heavy

you can get a gene machine by wishing for it, probably
orr making one inpot of suion, once you have enough skill
or waiting till south tyris. but its better you not, gene engineering stuff like cooking and control magic to pets should be done asap

>>15459535
F

>>15461344
Not saying power play, just if you make it to those points you're going to go through some growth. The amount of growth is dependent on power play I guess. I more meant it as "Don't worry about feeling weak now and then, that will change"

Oh god fire damage eats through Necro-minions. One fairy with fire wall took out two of my Liches. God damn.

Barrier was a good investment. Just finished a level 120ish dungeon. I think that makes my minion level limited by skill rather than dungeon level now. This build is far, far more effective than I thought it would be.

>>15462122
>fire wall
acid ground and web turn fire ground less lethal

i prefer bubble ball myself.

>>15462138
Ya I picked up a rod of bubble ball earlier, took a guess it would wet them since it's new from the last time I played. Lucky me. So far it's the only thing that can even move my minion's health bars outside of "Guardian of King's Fort <Grand Dragon> level 167" and what not.

Also, Undead Restore brings me to about -1000/767 health and I can't heal to positives in one turn from that. I don't die on the second turn I'm alive like that so I assume it can't kill you. Pretty safe to assume if you take 1 damage like that you'll die though. Fully heals the minions though.

>>15461531
General stores can sell monster balls.

between nightmare and elemental scar, whats worse for you to be struck by?

Do I have to actually hit things with my weapon to improve melee skills or do they naturally increase? Since I'm a gunner I don't get many opportunities to actually bludgeon shit to death.

>>15462577
you need to attack in melee to raise melee
tough traveling skill also helps
why do you want to increase skills you don't use?

>>15462678
So I can beat up stuff that gets close too.

>>15462686
I have good news for you
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Ranged_Weapons
if you are actually using guns, short range is more frightning to your enemies than to you.

if you use bows, i'd suggest you get some teleporting spell/ability, work on your speed, or just get a walling pet or 2.

How did you find out about Elona btw?

>>15462697
Some monster girl thread on /v/.

>>15462703
did you already get the costum sprites?

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>>15462708
I don't really like those spritesheets so instead I made one sprite and am changing the ones I like on a case-by-case basis. C:\Users\Andres\Desktop\ELONA\elonaplus1.58\user\graphic\Pic_17.bmp

>>15462550
Unless you're fighting huge mobs all at once with little resistance for yourself, elemental scar is a bigger pain and tends to last much longer than nightmare. 300-400 turns of no healing is a bigger deal than lower resistance against comparatively exotic elements.

Are minotaurs any good? I have a few monster balls I may be able to use and a custom sprite that I like for my monster girl version.

Hey Kai, were you doing super high level awakened dungeons by the end of your run? How badly did the game break itself at that point? I remember I once saw a Bomb Rock scaled so high that I swear it survived its own self destruct.

>Curiously look for a 3DCG of elona in google images
>Child models in provocative bunny suits, among others

Thanks Google.

>>15463069
As a rule of thumb, any weak monster found near the start of the game can be raised to god-like levels through the AP system and the void. The minotaur also has interesting evolutions (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Pet_Evolution#Minotaur), so report back on how well that works out for you.

In my opinion, you should just choose anything with low INI and good bitflags (found on the wiki) and you're set.

>>15463026
Hi Andres.

>>15463211
>Hi Andres.
I don't know why my fucking image viewer copies the file path along with the image information but at least you didn't call me andrew.

>>15463155
Not really. My max dungeon level was somewhere in the 500 range. I didn't raise it anymore after that point due to powergaming mechanics. Overall, I see dungeons only as a place to get gold, farm material spots, get platinum coins, and get gold medals. I do not see them as a place to raise skills or gain exp. Instead, I use the void for that. By growing immensely strong in the void and keeping dungeon levels low, you can farm the dungeons for the stuff mentioned above really quickly.

I'm about to do the very same thing with my inferno Kai character to slingshot him into power. Ideally, after training in the void I'll come back and just farm lv 1-10 dungeons for gold medals and plat while my character is like lv 60 or something.

For godslayer Kai I think I chose somewhere in the 500 range to stop leveling dungeons as that was when you had achieved maximum or near maximum chance for core generation if you awakened those dungeons. Again, I'm sticking to seeing dungeons as only places to get mats.

>>15463155

self destruct does max damage to user though

how the hell did it survive?

>>15463700
Not sure but there might be a cap to the amount of damage it does. So if something has more HP than the damage cap for self destruct it will survive as crazy as that sounds. I've seen the same thing happen in my game that he's reporting.

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I think I might write a small guide for Necromancy once I get far enough to really consider myself experienced, ie: post-speed hump.
My current plan is to get to the 500 AP speed cap for act 2, then pump a bunch of AP skill points into Alchemy and Anatomy. Just throw those things in like mad. My minions are still faster than me by about 100 last time I checked. They still haven't slowed down even a little. If anything they've only gotten better.
Raising Alchemy this high has made potions extremely effective. I was considering sullying my character by leveling the buff spells but it turned out to be unnecessary. Hell, I can even Alchemy Rain the potion for my spooks.

>>15463700
It's possible I miss saw but I swear it survived. There are a few kinds of self destruct special actions I think. Pretty sure one does 999999 damage and another does max. I might be talking out my ass.
I had just assumed it scaled so far that it had more health than the 999999whatever99999

>>15463492
Oh I see. You seem to use the void a lot. I don't really get the appeal since scaling dungeon level higher also gives you a big gold income plus the plat and medals. Then again I've barely touched the void. I don't think Torte even had a license. I couldn't bring myself to give up the speed boost for it.

>>15463721
Oh good I'm not crazy. It was terrifying. I could have finished it off but I change creatured it. I wasn't going to mess with that thing.

>>15463756
It's not that I don't scale it per se. It's more like I make absolutely sure that I only increase the dungeon level if I know said increase in dungeon level would still lead me to one shotting everything in the dungeon or at the very least, making sure my dungeon clear times are fast. For gold medal farming, the game doesn't care what the dungeon level is. It will give you none to 3 for dungeon boss kills regardless of dungeon level. Might as well keep it low so you can just zoom to the boss. Ditto for big daddy farming.

What I do is just train in the void to get stronger while artificially keeping dungeon levels low in difficulty compared to my actual power. Eventually I'll get to the point where a lv 500 dungeon is absolutely trivial like I did for godslayer Kai.

For gold I usually depend on my farms, quests, and maybe cargo run until my character's power and dungeon level reach a point where I can make bank from dungeons.

>>15463800
Fair enough. I mean you reached 2000 speed as I was barely hitting 1200 so clearly it's effective. I guess I just like doing tough dungeons.

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>slowly making my way to 1mil
>finally reach 800k for the first time
>start upgrading equipment just to test out it's effects
>accidentally start up a party quest
>it fucking autosaves
>i don't even have an instrument with me
Just fuck my life up.

Would a remaster on an Unreal Engine 4 work?

>>15463756
Void license is worth more than hermes pots, considering a standard character can get AP in the Void earlier than if they were trying to push farm scaled dungeons. It's only after you're done AP farming speed that hermes pots start to matter, and since you can get speed pots in the Void anyways, you're bound to collect a few in there as you're farming.

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>>15463155
>multishot bomb rocks

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What is this? I'm scared.

>>15464247
Are they more common down there? Skills are going to be a lot more important for this guy than stats so AP is going to be even more important than before.
Also, do me a favor. You took the 20% speed feat right? Can you go to the cemetery and activate the Necromancy coffins there without pets out and tell me if they suppress the feat? I don't know why I assumed they did but I realize I might be missing a big speed boost.

>>15464804
It's a free, lightweight nuke. Feel free to do Red Blossom in Palmia with it without the need for good weight lifting or the hero spell.

>>15464835
Figured, I notice it's edible. What happens if I eat it?

>>15464804
Not him, but I also have kodoku: Necromancy suppresses the feat in 1.58.2.

>>15464804
This >>15464247 isn't me/Kai but I did test if kokou worked with necromancy coffins. Unfortunately it doesn't. Kokou turned off as soon as I activated the coffins.

>>15464914
>>15464917
Oh it does? Glad I checked. Appreciated. I guess that's fair. I'll just get the magic gene ones next because Barrier strong.

>>15464242
I don't think so
A) I like to play Elona in a window while multitasking, rendering it in a high performance graphics engine would hamper that.
B) Elona doesn't have many animations for it's actions. Everything moves along fairly quick and very few things require standing around waiting for an NPC to stop moving. Having it in pure 3D would only work if you kept the lack of animations, else the game would end up 2x as long with constant waiting. And if you're going 3D without animations, what's the point?
C) Everyone and their grandma wants to remake shit in UE. It never pans out beyond a tech demo with fancy lighting and foliage. A simpler engine that stays 2D would be a better fit, maybe something like GameMaker or Unity.

>>15464836
You become Nuclear
You become Wild
You start breaking up inside

Are you still limited to 2 magic stores in your house?

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Finally found an Evolution heart (and a King Heart from the cockroach quest). I want to evolve my starter Little Girl, but should I use the Evo Heart to get a Valkyrie or get Another Heart to make her a Littler Girl, then a Witch? I'm

>>15465065
valk imo

she's not gonna stop acting like a warrior even if she gets a spell

better just amuse yourself with the mental image from giving her a scythe of the void

>>15465020
There's a bug with that. You can get more, but you have to rename your current shopkeepers first.

Elona crashes when you use the <<< while changing the full body picture on pets. This caused me to lose my Evo heart and King heart since it didn't save after the quest was done.
But the crash log says "sorry" so I forgive him completely.

>>15465086
Thanks anon, that really helps out.

>>15464224
why not use the pianos in the map?

>>15465498
Picked the quest by accident, and it's way too high level for my shitty performance skill. It's too late anyways. Down to 190k, and I'm desperately whoring out my PC just to get back to 800k

>>15465077
can we make her use spells in the doujo?

>>15465101
pity the king heart
you can buy an evo heart in larna

>>15465508
party time makes you lose money?

>>15465535
I lost money by accidentally taking on a party time quest. I was only upgrading my equipment to +10 just to see what effects it would have. So when I accidentally took on the quest, all the spending I did on my stuff got set in stone. And to add insult to injury, It was a quest I couldn't possibly accomplish. So in the end I lost reputation as well.

>>15465525
You can with Elona Custom

>>15465555
At least you got some sweet +10 armor.

>>15465555
Well, thats what you get for sa- I mean, does upgrading equipment give bonuses to its abilities and not just net stats? for example, would blood sucking cloak suck more blood when upgraded, or a time stopping axe stop time more often?

>>15465710
That's what I was trying to figure out. But I don't know how to turn on the numbers beside the hashtags like >>15450691. And now it's too late for me to compare the numbers anyways.

>>15465566
That's shit though

>>15465555
here's how i farmed 1.5M before lvl 15 on my inferno game:

do quest until 200k
buy cheapest house place near noyel
spend all gold on cargo
when no more gold buy another house and place near kapul
sell the cargo
repeat until enough gold

bonus is you train negociation and traders get stupid amounts of gold if you wanna screw them

>>15465773

i dont get it
why another house?

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Where did you guys place your house and why?

>>15465813
to move the house and the cargo thats inside

>>15465831
do you get enough cargo to componsate? do the guy in kapul have enough money to buy it all?

>>15465826
next to lumiest so i could have 3 magic vendors in once spot. i might move back to the original spot though

>>15465841
gold restock in 3 days, cargo in 7
gold in stock goes up as you buy shit to them
waiting for restock is fast if you fill your cart with cargo to slow you down and move between the town and your house (which should be next to each other for no encounters)
from memory i was selling for more than double the price i bought stuff once negociation was trained a bit

>>15465826
Next to Palmia, but I'm considering uprooting everything and moving to South Tyris so I can continue to roam around without worrying about my stuff and bills.

>>15465859
Just get one of those tax boxes for 18 small medals from the workshop and put it in the maid mansion?

>>15465710
No it doesn't.

>>15465866
The maid mansion doesn't have Jure in it though. It's just not the same without her...

>>15465873
Can you summon another one? I've never actually tried.

>>15465873
Wait what

i know that gods come to visit if your castle is the best, but do they actually stay?

>>15465885
They stay forever, or at least until you kick them out.

>>15465885
You can summon a god at the Truce grounds in November if you Pray to them with a high enough favor level, and if your home is rank 1, you can invite them over to stay. When they're at your house, they chill wherever you put them, and basically do jack squat unless something aggros them in which case they might end up destroying your home. Even if you switch to other gods, they'll still stick around in your home. You can have as many gods as you want, but you can only summon 1 per year, and they take up an NPC slot that can be used for shopkeepers.
Right now I'm trying to get all the gods in my home for a bigass slumber party but god damn a year takes a while.

>>15465905
>a year takes a while
if you really must pass the time, go to the underwater castle
you know, the place with the princess that gives you age changing lunches in exchange for god medals

>>15465905
They do not take an npc slot for shopkeepers, I had all 8 shopkeepers before I invited one though, and now I have both Itzpalt and Kumiromi, both best gods, or at least the most useful to my character.

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>>15465859
I actually don't use South Tyris that much, I still prefer being next to Palmia, and if I want to go there I have the maid mansion anyway.
I could use an house in Lost Irva though.

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>do something stupid for testing/curiosity
>game autosaves

Also this shit cracked me up. There was a werewolf event, a named NPC that was literally called a werewolf, I couldn't accuse her so I voted for a trader. Such a brutal justice system.

>>15465905
Also, the best way to pass time for me, even if it's slower than the underwater castle is to go to noyel where there are constant blizzards for shelter with a snail/bell pet to ride inside. You ride it, and then wait with statues of kumiromi, and you'll get a ton of seeds that way. You can also pickpocket kitty banks.

>>15465956
Your Palace is literally in the same square as mine. It's a nice spot, isn't it?

>>15465991
I had it in that same exact spot too on my previous game....

Does "It enhances your spells" affect magic device/rods?

Does anybody else here beeline for tailoring and jeweler so they can start mass-producing raw shoes?

Alright, I'm at that point where you deplete all starting potential and everything grows ultra slow. I'm gonna go collect some medals, buy Diablo, complete puppy cave and some other low level quests. Then what? Main quest?

>>15466617
If your stats are so high that they have slow growth despite your still high potential, than yeah main quest.

if your potential fell to 'hopeless', its time to head to the wiki on read on how to raise potential.
(farm with herbs is one of the simpler ways)

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>>15465826
Placed mine smack dab in between the embassy and the truce grounds, not for the convenience of it though, I just found it to be a pretty chill spot for some reason.

Living here none of my buildings or crops seem to be getting in the way of anything (have this pet-peeve of going over roads or touching too close to other establishments), Its not terribly far from Palmia, and its kinda cool I get to be neighbors with Ssil.

Though I originally wanted to live more north of the truce grounds, being further away from most civilization, surrendered with more trees and mountains, and wedged in between both snowy regions. Such areas that seem to be the most remote or outlying on the continents I find to have this rather quaint and comfy allure to them, but being that secluded could also become a little bit too lonely after a awhile.

>>15466881
How about living near remote places like workshop (the snow makes the road to noyel remote enough) larna (it doesn't even have an identifier comeon) or the little girl mansion (lets see you feeling lonely now, onii~chan)

>>15466537
Yes.

I keep getting nightmares that my pets got pregnant wit Aliens. Is this normal.

What's the best way to raise my pet's (who is much slower then me) speed? Gene engineer or AP?

>>15465826
Between Yowyn and Palmia iirc

Yowyn for the sweet sweet farming quests and palmia for most everything else

>>15468599
AP, since gene engineer doesn't increase speed.

If you or your pet is able to earn AP and hasn't hit the AP->speed cap, AP is the best way to train speed, no exceptions.

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Still alive. Think my first difficulty hump is behind is me. I must look really silly for only doing lv 5 dungeons or below but its working out well for me. I'm getting a decent amount of gold, a hell of a lot of materials, and I already have enough to buy 3 hermes potions even after spending medals on a void license and shield tonfa. Instead of having to wait to invest in magical shops for potions of potential, I ended up getting enough alchemy through just random potion making to make my own potions of potential.

I'm still a bit weak to handle the void but I'm getting closer to being able to come back to my old hunting grounds. The magic classes have proven to be especially helpful for this character. Since I'm doing a lot of dungeons and bosses keep giving me platinum, I'm getting some decent spell levels on my fireball and iceball spells. At this rate, I'm just going to cut magic dart out of my spell leveling. Probably just focus on fireball, iceball, thunder vortex, magic storm, and meteor. All conveniently leveled by the warlock school.

Next order of business is to get a house and to start investing in magic vendors. Going to get started on my wonder scroll farming.

>>15468704
>3 hermes potions after void license and shield tonfa
>302 medals after <14 hours of play
>One medal every 3 minutes

What the heck. Do you even have South Tyris unlocked to reroll dungeons, or do you have some secret training method I'm not aware of?

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How effective are skill books at training? I'm not noticing much gain from my Performance book.

>>15468847
No, I'm still in North Tyris. Aside from the dungeon farming, which is really quick because of my level since I just shoot for the boos and kill him off quickly or one shot him, I've traveled around North Tyris using platinum to learn skills and dabble in magic schools. While visiting the town trainers I made sure to loot all the hidden gold medals. Also got gold medals from other places too. Memory of where most medals turned out to be pretty well but I did still have to look at the guide.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Small_medal

>>15468940
Oh, and as a side comment, I forgot just how much sleep new characters seem to require. It's like I can't move an inch on the world map without my character getting sleepy. It's not bad I guess since I get to refresh my spell potentials but as the days go by my dungeons refresh enough for me. I blame my speed for days going by really quickly. Makes sense, that's why my godslayer Kai would mount a slow pet just to make time go by faster.

>>15467104
I've never heard of an Alien dream. Did your pets get "pregnant?" Might want to give them Poisons to flush out their systems, just in case.

I've been away for several months. Did the chat server end up ever coming back, or is it gone for good?

>>15469009
I mean in real life. Spotting aliens in the end of a dungeon is fucking with my mind. Even though I never see a message stating my pets are pregnant, I have paranoid thoughts that the game might have hidden mechanics letting Aliens secretly infect without any notification.

>>15469032
It's being worked on.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:19535

>>15469032
A person with the handle of jdestroy is trying to bring up a chat server. Can probably find more info about it in the elona wiki forums.

>>15468847
I kinda believe it. I can clear an easy dungeon in less than a minute and walk away with like 6 gold medals if I ran into silver bells on my way to the boss and got like three medals from the dungeon boss and maybe one from his chest. That's just one dungeon too.

>>15468947
get seven laugh boots

>>15469042
id suggest giving them all anti pregnent equip but thats not how you fight against fears.

get your pets pregnant. all of them. than buy a dye at larna or something and have them drink it.

here, problem should be solved.

>>15469353
Heh, I actually used up my first wish on the happy bed because I needed to sleep so often. In light of actually benefiting from plenty of rest(spell potential, making time pass to respawn dungeons, and potential gains) I might actually skip the boots. I'd still recommend the seven league boots to people that are doing before it's too late job board requests and other stuff that is time sensitive though. The speed buff the boots provide is nice too.

Does anyone know if evolving the pet goose into the swan girl keeps the platinum laying ability?

>>15469417
So far pets kept their abilities after evolution, no reason to think its otherwise witth goose unless bug

>>15468924
From my experience books are only useful during bad weather when you can use them over and over.

>>15460055
How did you start off with 80 speed?

>>15469618
I keep a book with my at my travels and i use it quite often. its a good way to raise all kind of skills with annoying ways to raise, like weight lifting (burden is annoying), faith (preaching raise depends on number of listeners, and its 20 fucking stamine) or magic capacity

>>15469652
Doesn't preaching crash the game? I heard that, and then never tried it myself. Also do you still get xp from summon spirits?

>>15469647
AFAIK the things that are probably affecting my speed is the fact that I took Agile and Kokou as part of my starting feats and the predator class, which I renamed, I think gives you +10 to speed at start.

>>15469667
Preaching was fixed some time ago. It's a great way of waking up sleeping NPCs.

>>15469803
i prefer using whistle.

>>15469803
>Good morning citizens!
>have you all heard of Yacatect, the one true goddess?

>>15469855
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>>15469855
Well it works most of the time anyway. SOME people don't like it, apparantly.

>>15469618

Honestly, that's how I got to read a bunch. I only did it to pass in game time, but I somehow managed to get Lulwy's statue to get Heavy Rain that'd last a couple weeks for some reason.

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Walked into a room full of these enemies called black hornets. Thought, whatever they're just fucking hornets. The next moment latter I wake up in my shitty cave with a condom in my ass wondering what the fuck happened. How on earth do you deal with these guys? Pic kinda related I guess.

>>15470130
>that pic
How pathetic can you cucks get. Wasps are bros that chase off flies and other more disgusting insects, and they never hurt you unless you swat them.

So what font does everyone use? Consolas seems pretty good at preventing overlapping text. But it's still a bit too wide.

>>15470130
Use chokepoints. Any doorway or 1 square wide hallway can be used to funnel them in one at a time, where you can strike them with a bolt spell or just take them on one by one.
Alternatively, run and come back when you can handle them. Sometimes mob rooms are just too annoying to put up with, especially with any enemy that causes statuses or elemental breath attacks.

>>15470149
do they kill roaches? for flies, i already got spiders all over my room.

>>15470173
I don't know, it's possible.

But wasps are still better than spiders, because flies literally GTFO the moment they see a wasp.

Kinda reminds me of when I had a pet rabbit and it heard an eagle on the TV. Poor guy hid under furniture for hours.

>>15470149
>never hurt you unless you swat them.
Never hurt you they said. Not unless you swat them they said. Yet I'm here beside myself because a group of unruly hornets which I think are a kind of wasp? Decided to fuck my shit up. I just wanted to get to the next floor of the dungeon. I didn't even want to deal with them.

>>15470167
I'll try that next time thanks.

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So how does evasion work? Is there a cap to it? Or is 600% going to let me dodge all attacks from lvl 20s.

>>15471555
Evasion will never let you get to 100% defense for three reasons:
A: The to-hit roll uses a random number between 1 and your DV. You can get unlucky and get hit no matter how high it is.
B: Crits ignore DV.
C: Breaths, magic, and some spacts don't roll to hit.

So I downloaded the newest version, but it crashes immediately after the intro sequence.
Is there anything I can do about this, or should I stick with my backup 1.54 copy that I know works?

>>15471690
Just tried to get around it by importing a save, it crashes on every map that isn't the world map.

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>>15471555
Might be a cap but it's pretty high

>>15470130
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbOyBrdp3sU

>>15471555
What's your font?

>>15471883
Consolas

>>15471857
>age 111
Does it have any affect on your character or is it just for show?

>>15472267
Not him but age is purely cosmetic in Elona.

>>15460929
>MP breath
Doesn't work with converge breath iirc.

>>15471738
Run in windows 7 compatibility mode and run as admin.

>>15473022
Didn't work.

[Changes and additions]
* Magic practice experience now increases with Learning attribute instead of being a fixed value.

[In development]
* Made it possible to have even more physical intimacy with your pet.
** It is now possible to access a special conversation screen with pets who are at Friend impress or above. Choosing which action to take will expend action points.
** TxtDialogB, TxtDialogE, TxtDialogF, and TxtDialogH from the pet's custom spoken line file will be used by depending on which action you choose to take, and they will also change their full-body portrait (NB: AKA 'atmosphere') to match.
** Their happiness will increase depending on the actions taken up to a maximum of 10. Sleeping will reset your action points to 10, but all happiness points of all pets will also be reset.
** Pets' gauges will increase by their happiness points every time they take a turn.

>>15473149
Sounds like your download might be corrupt? If you're using Elona Custom try running regular Elona+ (through the other exe) and see if that works.

Otherwise maybe try to redownload it or something.

>>15473642
Other possibility is you are using some kind of custom asset (like sprite sheet or PCCs or something) that is corrupt or not in the right format or something.

>>15473646
Must've been one of the spritesheets from the pastebin causing it, a fresh download works fine even with my PCCs and other stuff.

>>15473519
Finally I can make Elona into the VN it was meant to be.

>>15473691
It was the anti-eyesore map sheet.

>>15473519
>Made it possible to have even more physical intimacy with your pet.
Finally development in the intended direction

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>>15473828
Huh, that's weird. The GIMP settings of the map sheet are in the picture (first one being no colour space, second one set at 24 bit), so I'm not sure what's causing the crashes. Would you mind saving the map sheet in paint.exe or any other editing software, or are there any suggestions on the settings of the map sheet?

>>15474364
All I did was download it directly from the pastebin and put it in the graphics folder. I just put the original back and it started working again.

Where is the slave trader? I checked the entire town but I can't find him.

>>15475302
Northeast part of Derphy. There's no other slave trader in North Tyris.

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>tfw
I'm gonna start a farm today, wish me luck.