Gust Thread

Never played any of those games before, but thingken of buying Rorona plus. What am I in for? Are these games comfy?

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Copying the kind Anon's post from /vg/ that was linked in the previous thread:

ion_anim gifs are done. d/l comes in two flavors

cielnosurge_offline_eyecatch.rar
https://mega.nz/#!u0B1ECSb!jo8YI2PaehAfrUB3jHHtqzRyNRAJ4wHI33k1HqQhrEU
- Includes source mp4, PSD files, and gifs.

cielnosurge_offline_eyecatch_gifsonly.rar
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- Just the gifs, sir. Just the gifs.

>>15375691

Cute girls doing cute things sums up the Atelier series, they're comfy as fuck. The Arland and Dusk trilogy games are pretty cheap now so it's a good time to give them a go. I can't speak personally for Rorona plus as I've only played the original but I think the plus version fixed all of the core problems the original had so I believe it's well worth a go.

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>>15375849
Ion is super adorable! Thanks to the Anon who got these.

>>15376664
No problem. It was fun, though I really should focus more on cnsie, try to finish sometime this year.

I had to do some editing to clean the bottom corner on the 着替え one so there's some flutter in the bg cause my photoshop skills are weak.

I'm hoping someone with more graphic sense can do some cooler things with the psd files.

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I'm having a bit of a problem with Sophie. One of the "Hope" recipes, Stahl Ice Bomb, says the unlock requirement is to get an Ice Bomb. Yet simply making it doesn't unlock it, does it need a specific trait or something?

>>15382918
Use it in battle.

>>15382918
Did they screw up the translation?

>>15383601
Do they ever not screw up the translation?

>>15383496
That did it! Thanks Anon!

Are the "plus" versions of the Dusk series major improvements like Rorona+ was, or is it just bundling a few minor extras in like Totori+ did?

>>15384461
I think shallie+ will have extra story, I think the other two were more like totori+ with content I think.

http://gematsu.com/2015/11/atelier-shallie-plus-announced-ps-vita

>>15384461
Just costumes and stuff not really worth it if you've already played them

>>15385018
Actually have only played the Arland series so far, finally getting to the Dusk ones and deciding which ones to get. I'd prefer to play on PS3 than Vita though, never was much a fan of playing this sort of game on a handheld.

>>15385023
Also, how's the performance of the Dusk plus versions on Vita? I was really annoyed with all the slowdowns in the earlier ones, is it still a problem for the second trilogy?

>>15385127

I recall someone linking gameplay of one of the recent games (maybe it was Shallie Plus?) straight from GUST themselves and the FPS was absolutely abysmal. How they looked at that video and said "this is good" is beyond me..I haven't played them myself but I do recall a lot of complaints in past threads about performance too. It's a shame they keep bringing these better versions out for handhelds only, I'd have thought that after bothering with Rorona Plus for PS3 they'd continue with a console release but it seems they just gave up.

>>15385023
PSTVs are pretty cheap if you want to play Vita games on your TV, although I can understand not wanting to buy another thing.

>>15385127
Meruru was also slow on PS3. Is Vita Dusk slower than PS3 Dusk?

>>15385023
I heard PS3 Ayesha only has English voices. For me that would be reason enough to get the Vita version.

>>15386385
>I heard PS3 Ayesha only has English voices

Yes, if you care about Japanese voices, you have to get Ayesha Plus; PS3 Escha and Shallie have JP voices though.

Personally, I'm waiting for a 3 game package similar to the Arland set that contains all three Plus versions.

>>15385023
Yeah, aside from handheld gaming getting uncomfortable past the 30 minute mark (at least for me), it's just much more enjoyable to play on a huge screen with a decent audio setup.

I can recommend getting a PSTV, it's quite cheap (I paid ~25EUR for mine) and you can swap memory cards with your Vita without any problems, in case you want to play on the road.

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>tfw

Is it wrong that I think that Atelier>Surge Concerto?

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>>15388998
They patched the NPC dialog issues on Ar Nosurge, they could patch this. It's not like a PS2 game.
(Is this PS4 or Vita?)

>>15389031
Not at all. Atelier is way better.

>>15388998
>mfw it took me a few minutes to figure out what's wrong
Not being an EOP is great.

>>15389031
Not at all. I tried Ar Tonelico II, but I just couldn't get into it. Not my kind of game. On the other hand, I immediately got addicted to Totori the first time I played it, and I quite like the Atelier series now.

>>15389043
I would assume PS4 considering the resolution. If my Vita is rendering at that resolution I'd rather they dropped the resolution for a better framerate instead.

>>15389301
It took me a bit too, and I'm an EOP. I figured I was looking at a Japanese screenshot until I noticed a lot of the text was in English.

How old is Logy supposed to be in Sophie, anyway? He mentions finding that one rare item 20 years prior to the start of the game, but he looks younger than he did in Dusk.

>>15389436
He isn't the same Logy from Dusk. He mentions that he has always lived in Kirchen Bell and that he doesn't know anything about alchemy in the game.

>>15389031
Yeah, and you should be ashamed of it!

>>15389047
>>15389383
The same goes for you, demonstrations of bad taste!

>>15389383
>starting a series on the second one

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CnSEnglish, why did you only include the 2nd time Ion accidentally made one of these in the series? We need all of them!

>>15389043
How much of an issue were the original dialogue mistakes?

How am I supposed to beat the Unliving King? It's been kicking my ass all day.

>>15389689
The NPC dialog was shuffled around, so that if NPC A should say lines 1, 2, and 3 on successive prompts, and NPC B should say 4, 5, and 6, you might instead get A saying lines 2, 3, and 4, and B saying lines 5, 6, and 1. But NPC lines were mostly just for flavor, so it wasn't a game-breaker.

>>15389689
I threw that in as a little between-chapters bonus event to buy some time while I was recording Ch10, but I'm trying really hard not to include more Ion's room stuff, just because it'll drag the project out further. The S in CnSiE is for "Story" after all.

But you actually tell her to make them, doesn't happen by accident. But I don't keep my capture setup running the whole time. Lots of cables, windows, I just setup for a few days to record a chapter, then tear down again. Plus, recording all the item-crafting convos would be super intensive compared to the story segments.

Sorry about that.

>>15389940
Who?

>>15389940
Don't let anyone die or it'll heal itself up with Reincarnation. Also, try fighting it on a low gather level (lamps on the right, below the map). I'm not familiar with the English names, I hope I got it right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKzJZSt4Ftw

DOes anya have the recipe for flat bruster?

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Firis and Ilmeria seem pretty close if you know what I mean.

>>15391155
Fucking art teases that 99% don't go anywhere. I want another girl as gay as Mimi, hope Ilmeria delivers. Liane being a siscon seems unlikely.

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>>15391168
They already confirmed that Liane's the over-protective siscon type.

>>15391187
Her breasts are too damn circular. I wish more artists understood how to draw them. They should be a tad smaller for her frame. There's no reason this girl should be as big as she is.

>>15391168
I think Ilmeria will deliver some decent subtext. I don't want yuri with the sister though.

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>>15392052
>>15312245
Link
http://social.gust.co.jp/firis/products.html

>>15392052
Sofmap PS4 version is the way to go. It's the only b2 tapestry with Firis and Ilmeria and I want the PS4 version anyways. I would've preferred the one with Ilmeria licking Firis's cheek as a tapestry though. Don't know why Liane got so many.

>>15391196
can you do some red lines on the picture to show how the breasts should actually look?

>>15390045

I see. Thank you for the item-crafting convos you did include.

The item craft dialogues have always been my favorite parts of the gust series.

Oh God, I finished chapter 7 of CnS.
Ion doesn't want to talk to me.
What do I do.
This isn't fun.

>>15392502
On second thought maybe the roundness and shape isn't the problem. I simply just want them a little smaller.

>>15392777
Leave her be for one day and try talking to her when she isn't doing anything. Then pat/stroke her on the head.
You have to do that for three days so she recovers from her depression.

>>15389031
Atelier has the better gameplay
Surge/EXA_PICO has the better setting, plot and music

What determines the amount of mag that sharl give to the quasar?

>>15393589
The sharl's level and sync rate are what determine the Mag. 8250 is the maximum.

>>15392777
Be patient and understanding.

Ion a slut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG93q92sfMg

Is there some kind of time limit that will come later on in Sophie, or can I just take it as easy as I want?
I'm still in my first month and can't tell if I'm going too fast or not

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>>15395798
You have unlimited time and no major event can be missed permanently, take it as easy as you want.

>>15395822
Ehh... What's the point to the calendar then?
Should've just gotten rid of it like Iris.

>>15394473
I kind of like Firis now that they showed her in movement. Her design fits with the travelling theme.

So, why do you guys hate Dusk, anyway? I'll admit Escha was kinda weak and Shallie was genuinely shit, but I really enjoyed my time with Ayesha.
The music, atmosphere, and the world in general were quite great. And Keithgriff was a pretty cool guy.

>>15396991
Because the other games weren't Ayesha

>>15396991
Shallie wasn't shit at all though and was actually my favorite Dusk game. Only bad one was E&L.

>>15396991
but I love Dusk.

>>15396991
E&L was the only decent ps3 atelier you shithead.

>>15396991
I love dusk, I just didn't like the localization for ayesha on ps3. I love escha. Her show was a nice sprinkle on top too.

to be honest Surge Concerto is pretty much dead...i dont even have some dusk games and pretty much asked many times (i have ps2 from Atelier Iris is that ok?) But where should i start

Also i dont have ps3 just Vita and PS2 (poorfag gotta be poorfags)

>>15399811
You're bad at being a proper poorfag. Start saving up for the hacked PS3, then sell your Vita to make enough money for the console.
Vita is not for poorfags to begin with, especially with its PSN-only games (read: almost all Atelier+ games - and they rarely, if ever, get big discounts) and rip-off pricing on the memory cards (and each Atelier+ game takes ~3GB). Get a PS/Vita TV if you can't live without Vita games you already own.
We're not getting playable PS3 emulation on a PC in the near future (and certainly not on current PC hardware), so a hacked PS3 is a must for any proper poorfag willing to play PS3 games.
In the meantime you can play PS2 titles on a PS2 or emulate them on a PC.

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I'm making a Keith build in Bloodborne.
Should I name him "Bespectacled Man" or just call him Keithgriff?

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Hi I'm new to emulation for ps2 stuff, how do I fix this?

Is AT2 the only game in the AT/SC series that doesn't now boil down to "Ra Cielans ruin it for everybody"?

>>15402073
Go to video (GSdx) plugin settings, enable & configure appropriate HW hack(-s).
I don't remember which one exactly you need, but it's either Align Sprite or (AT-specific according to the popup hint) Sprite/Round Sprite.

>>15402340
Ah thank you!

>>15402340
It's round sprite and sprite, set them to full and half

>>15402433
>>15402374
Round Sprite = Half did it for the videos.
You'll likely need all three sprite hacks for AT1 anyway.
And while you're at it, change internal resolution to at least 2x Native, preferably 4x.

AT1 reacts extremely well to this, as seen in http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=132265

Have fun.

>>15402452
Oh thanks again

>>15402309
AT1 wasn't either. The only game where the Teru are outright hostile to the player party, and to the world in general is AT3, and even then, there was only one of them remaining alive.

Plus, it's not like all the Ra Cielans were at fault for what a single madman ended doing that led to their planet's death.

>>15402452
It's also the only thing short of ASM hacking that could fix the bug that makes the Hymmnos font small to the point of being unreadable in AT1's localization.

>>15402720
>a single madman ended doing that led to their planet's death
I thought it was humanity's collective stupidity that led to this, with a good dose of bad luck.

Sol Ciel thought it would be a brilliant idea to "shake" a city though the planet, except the fudged their math. It's sort of like if the US decided to nuke Japan to scare them into surrendering, except the nuke ended up being 100,000x more powerful than expected. Oops.

>>15403558
I was talking about Ra Ciela, not Ar Ciel.

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Sophie is the cutest.

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>>15406070

don't fall for that flavor of the year crap with each game that gets released, Anon.

We all know damn well who the cutest of them all really is.

Anyone know I to get an eternity scale in Sophie? Google is not helping and I can't advance without it.

>>15408046
Talk to Julio and he should tell you about a dragon in scar of the land.

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>>15407528

Totori has always remained number one since her debut but, at least for me, Sophie has taken her spot.

>>15408086
I'm not about to watch any video without some kind of description in advance. Does this one have anything to do with Atelier or Exa Pico?

>>15408160
Thanks, looks like I missed that exit with the Dragon when I went to scar of the land the first time

>>15402309
>AT1
Humans are dicks to qt reyvateils.

>AT2
Humans are dicks to each other, reyvateils are their qt girlfriends.
Some reyvateils go berserk and it's your job to beat love into them.

>AT3
Reyvateils are dicks to humans.
But surprise, turns out it was humans all along.

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Can you miss the requirements for the true ending? Can someone tell me what they are without spoiling?

>>15408531
>But surprise, turns out it was humans all along.

And surprise, the Reyvateils being dicks to the humans was all because of the same Teru faction that caused the Grathnode Inferia.

>>15408531
>But surprise, turns out it was humans all along.
In regard to Archia at least, but Harvestasha's programming was all Teru.

>>15408531
>reyvateils are their qt girlfriends
It was funny to watch Croix's fellow knights get cuddly with their reyvateil, while Croix just turns around and puts his hand on his hip, and his coworkers are like "why don't you get hitched like us"

>>15408540
It's just a minor change if you create the philosopher's stone before beating the last boss

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>>15407528
You're posting the wrong version, though.

Totori in Atelier Meruru completely blew me away. She grew up to be such a fine lady.

>>15409101

She grew up to be a fine lesbian.

I didn't realize Plachta was literally a doll. That was honestly kind of anticlimactic. How does some dude just make a body like that? I know it's anime but there's no doll joints or anything. Does she ever become human by the end of the game? I feel like they should've went a different route with this.

>>15403558
>It's sort of like if the US decided to nuke Japan to scare them into surrendering, except the nuke ended up being 100,000x more powerful than expected. Oops.

There was actually serious speculation on the scientific side that a sufficiently large nuclear detonation might cause the atmosphere to catch fire in a propagating detonation that would make the Blastline look like a tanning salon.

Ultimately the military decision was to go ahead with it, and it all worked out.

>>15409402
Fritz is a doll otaku he knows his stuff.

>>15409305
This was never confirmed (or even really hinted at) in canon, was it? Mimi's love seems one-sided.

>>15407528
She has much finer legs here than the hag version

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>>15409644

Of course not though the Mimi ending in Atelier Meruru is pretty close to just flat out saying it. Regardless they just make such a perfect couple together that it's hard to believe otherwise.

>>15409644

There is a line where Totori implies she's not particularly interested in finding a guy to marry, but that's about it, IIRC.

>>15409101

Yeah, one of the things I liked about the Arland trilogy that Dusk didn't really do as well was being able to see the recurring characters grow and change over the course of the games.

The only character who really changed over the course of Dusk was Wilbell, and that was physically more than maturity/personality-wise (not that she wasn't best girl the whole time, but still.)

The opening of Ar nosurge consists of the Opening of Ciel nosurge and another one right?

I can't put my finger on it but I recall watching a video of the other part that constituted the entirety of the Ar nosurge opening.

Anyone care to fill me in?
Or is my memory just too befuddled

>>15410362
The second half of it is Ra Ciel Fusor

>>15410380
That's the one

I just love it how they pieced together the opening and climatic ending of ciel

and the crushing sadness of localization never

I still like the theory that the Harmonics songs are the Hymmnos/Ciel_N that connect your console up to interdimend or whatever funky interdimend derivative Ar Ciel used

>>15410602
That's not really a theory hypothesis, but more theory definitely true unless tsuchiya denies it.

Rrha ki ra tie yor ini en nha
Come here
(Restraining you, I'll initialize your summoning to this world)

>>15410663
The Singing Hill songs are actual summoning spells to bring the player's mind into that world (check Tsuchiya's comments on the initial lines for EXEC_HARVESTASYA/. in the Tenba News column translations) but the only one that actually serves as an interface for Interdimend is the Ar nosurge one. The Ar tonelico protagonists have never been under the control of anyone.

You can't spell 'disgusting' without 'gust'.

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>>15409644
It's what we refer to as "yuri subtext". No, they weren't officially 100% confirmed but I can assure you that they were definitely hinted at in canon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-YtwqF6nZ4 [Embed]

>>15410081
Didn't she just say she's not interested in romance (never specifying any gender)?

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>>15413396
Mimi is clearly madly in love, yes. That was obvious enough. But I'm not really seeing any subtext implying Totori thinks of Mimi as more than a friend. Even that scene doesn't really have any romantic connotations if you set aside your yuri goggles for a moment and consider it from Totori's perspective.

There's actually a scene in Atelier Totori where Filly points out the yuri subtext between Cordelia and Rorona (though that's also pretty much just from Cordelia) and Totori has a hard time even grasping the notion that girls can be romantically interested in each other. She might have changed in that aspect as she grew up, but I'm not really seeing it.

>>15411046
>The Ar tonelico protagonists have never been under the control of anyone
How long until that gets retconned like the Orgel of Origins though?

>>15413481
When the new remakes come out of course. One can dream.

When will Totori be re-realeased? I don't want to buy another ps3...

>>15413481
They didn't change anything about the AT protagonists even though they had the chance in Ar nosurge Plus with Nero's and Shurelia's Purification conversations. And nothing was retconned about the Orgel of Origins.

>>15413739
>They didn't change anything about the AT protagonists even though they had the chance in Ar nosurge Plus with Nero's and Shurelia's Purification conversations.
Of course, it was a good 700 years before any of them were born. They weren't around to retcon anything about them

>And nothing was retconned about the Orgel of Origins.
Yes, actually. Before Ar nosurge the Orgel of Origins powered Ar tonelico entirely by itself. Afterwards they retconned it so the Orgel just powers a machine that siphons residual energy from Ra Ciela's core via the connection that you later tap into with Distllista

>>15413860
And with that I only have to tell you this: go reread the setting encyclopedias, the Toukousphere and the Ar Ciel Technical Data Compilation Room issues that discuss how the Orgel works and then reread the article in the Genomirai Wiki describing the singularity phenomenon. You obviously didn't read them closely enough.

>>15413737

It already has. You either play the original on PS3 or play the Plus version on Vita.

>>15413860
>the Orgel just powers a machine that siphons residual energy from Ra Ciela's core
The Orgel itself is a space-time leak that allows energy to be sucked through it. In Ar Ciel's universe, all that was known was that the Orgel produces free infinite energy.

Does the red indicator thing factor in the combination attack if you have it available, or do you just have to kind of estimate the extra power that will add before you blow your load?

>>15421761
Wow, they even added a subtle cameltoe

Help me out guys. I am desperate for more AT, but not enough to learn japanese. Can I just jump into Ar Nosurge? Does it tie well into the trilogy or am I gonna need Ciel to understand stuff?

Also do you think the plus version is worth getting a PSTV for?

>>15421761
Guess what will be ``tuned'' for the US version.

>>15422391
You can play Ar Nosurge without knowing anything about Ciel. The important plot points of Ciel get explained in Ar Nosurge.

>>15422391
Check the Ciel nosurge Story in English channel in YouTube for a translated playthrough of Ciel.

That will make your going through Ar nosurge far more understandable and enjoyable.

>>15422422
Not all of them are explained, especially with the broken glossary the localization got. Plus, players who go directly to Ar miss out on a lot of stuff aside of the bare plot essentials.

>>15422425

Not all of them are explained, especially with the broken glossary the localization got. Plus, players who go directly to Ar miss out on a lot of stuff aside of the bare plot essentials.

(Misquoted in the last post, sorry)

>>15422451
>>15422469
Thank you.

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IT KEEPS HAPPENING

Fuck this game. Seriously.

>>15423272
git gud

>>15423283
No, the problem here was that with the materials I had on hand, no matter what I did, I just couldn't reach the target, even though I was so close. It was literally impossible.

>>15423362
>using shit cauldron

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>>15423212

Stop this.

>>15422451
Is this complete yet? I read the text summary back in the day but would be nice to go back and see it closer to how it was actually intended. (Obviously not the same as playing the game but my moon skills won't be good enough to attempt that without it being a miserable experience for at least another year or so.)

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>>15423272
Don't worry too much about it. As you get better/different cauldrons it becomes much easier to meet certain requirements. In fact, you won't be able to even approach some of them without a Tuned or Expert cauldron. Just keep playing Anon!

>>15423854
Ion's ear-stalks are so weird.

>>15423756
It's up to the last few episodes of chapter 10, but that should do for the time being. After all, that was the last chapter they could release before Ar nosurge got released in Japan.

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>>15422391

You could, but you would miss out on a bunch of references and lots of the subtler references and such.

Also, the latter parts of ciel tend to have lots of foreshadowing of stuff that happens in Ar, so if you play through Ar first, you'll still get some enjoyment out of ciel (though, the excitement of the original Ciel noSurge ending will be lost, as it won't be much of a surprise).

The only thing you will truly miss out on is the Ion/Earthes dialogue changes due to the Ciel noSurge save files.

What does Harmoburst actually do?

>>15425326
I don't remember the name, which game was that?

>>15425340
Ar nosurge. It's the finishing move thing you unlock when you get past a certain dive level, but I'm not sure if it actually increases the damage of the song magic you use after it or what. Usually you'd wait until you have enough to finish all the waves anyway so I can't imagine when it would be useful unless you can estimate the amount it will add or something.

>>15425345
I think the point of it is more how you can beat on enemies as long as you like until the timer runs out, so if you somehow run out of turns when you're at the point you can get harmoburst you can try to take a few more waves out and build up some more burst in the hopes of maybe getting to 100%

>>15425359
Oh, so the animation afterwards doesn't actually do anything?

>>15425362
It might do? I've never actually hit the point where I'm on my final turn AND had Harmoburst available so I don't really know.

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Who is Nelo in her "home" world; was it explained somewhere?

>>15427747
Unless it's in the supplemental material somewhere, all we know is her name

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>>15421800

>The quality of posts is extremely important to this community. Contributors are encouraged to provide high-quality images and informative comments.

I find it amusing that someone not only reported the post but that Plachta defending Sophie's honour apparently isn't good enough for this board/thread but an empty comment with a picture of underwear apparently is. Good job, Meido.

Oh shit, Sophie is out.

Fuck, I need a Vita.

Shurelia a cute!

>>15427747
Nelo and Ion were both copied from the same person

I'm thinking of starting to play the Atelier series. I want to start with the Arland series and then the Dusk series, and I heard it's best to play the Plus versions. But I don't have PS Vita and only Rorona Plus has PS3 version. I also wonder if the Plus versions of Totori, Meruru and the Dusk series will be released on PS3/PS4 someday.

So the issue is mostly whether I should buy the original PS3 versions of the ones after Rorona, or their Plus versions on Vita? The Vita versions may have more contents but the PS3 versions have better frame rates, less slow down in certain areas and can be bought physically and cheaper. So is it really worth buying the Vita versions?

>>15429613
It's up to you, depends if you really really care about having a physical copy. Keep in mind that Sophie was only released on the PS4/Vita in NA.

Furthermore, Sophie wasn't released on the PS3 in NA, so you're stuck with Vita / PS4 anyway.

The Plus versions will never hit the PS3, but I wouldn't be surprised if they wind up on Steam at some point due to the massive success of similar re-releases (e.g. Nepu Nepu).

>>15429486

Stop posting lies.

>>15429613

While the plus versions are good there's nothing inherently wrong with the original versions. The game that gets changed the most is Rorona and that's thankfully available on PS3. The only thing you're losing is some costumes and DLC and such but you gain the performance of an actual console which is always good. I can't speak for the Vita copies but I know that the physical copies of the older Atelier games are dirt cheap these days so that helps too.

>>15429680
But it's true. Their differences are just a result of the different lives they had after transferring over.

>>15429750
It's not. It was established already they're entirely different people from different universes. To argue otherwise is utter foolishness.

Their original names and customs (Nei Yuuki vs Ulliliyha and Nero not knowing about several Japanese customs) already debunk that statement by default.

So, is Plachta supposed to be the strongest party member? How high do her stats get with 999 quality materials in Dollmake?

Recommended order for doing the endings in Ar nosurge? Or just do whatever doesn't matter too much? About to finish that up now.

>>15430458
Get Nay's ending first since it has details that are important to all the others, otherwise it doesn't really matter.

>>15430458
Get the bad ending first because it's missable, then the normal ones because you can't get them after making the Reincarnation. Leave the true ending for last.

>>15430753
By bad ending you mean stay with Shurelia right? Got that one already, now working on the prereqs for Reincarnation and finishing up the shop events I'd not yet done.

Also I saw that to get the true ending for Ion is based on both making the item and doing a choice at the end, but if you fuck up the choice do you just get the normal end? Or does she have three endings I have to do?

>>15430814
Yeah, that's the bad ending. As for the true ending, you just get the normal ending if you pick the wrong choice.

Has there been any official feedback regarding PC ports for GUST titles? I'd honestly be interested to know their thoughts on porting their titles to the PC. As it stands all of the recent JRPGs have been raking in lots of extra sales, from Neptunia to Tales to even stuff like Final Fantasy 9 and 10. Square Enix are currently considering porting Star Ocean 5 over too so it would be interesting to know whether they've considered bringing over their titles as I'm sure they'd make some decent profit, at least from their western audience.

>>15432652
Look at the western Nep community. Why would you want that?

When does the Sophie DLC dungeon come out?

>>15432944

Said community existed long before the PC ports were even considered.

>>15432944
Neptunia is cancer even in Japan, unlike Atelier, though.

If a translation causes discussion quality to deteriorate by 10, then a PC port would be around 100.

>>15433756
>>15433341
You can go back to /vg/ now.

>>15433845
I agree, once /v/ gets it's hands on a game it becomes impossible to talk about it objectively. I often complained about how Sophie lacks content and can feel empty (especially in town) and almost soulless compared to Arland or Dusk games, and most people agreed with me. Now that it's translated people tell me to stop "shitting" on the game and that my opinion is wrong.The funny thing is I love Sophie, I'm not even trying to talk badly about it, I'm just saying what most people though was obvious when the game released.

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Someone from /w/ was nice enough to make me a wallpaper based on the ps4 theme. They even added Sophie and Firis

>>15434107
I supposed it's fine if you would like to go blind by the time you are 30.

>>15434255
What?

>>15434258
Large bright white areas are bad for your eyes anon. They should have made the background grey.

Given the UI elements in Sophie, I've been assuming that aside from Plachta there'll still be another three party members to get, but when the hell do they join? I just got the goal to make the Key of Truth.

>>15432652
The last thing I want is Atelier on PC.

>>15434551

Why, exactly? It's much more convenient, stronger hardware and better graphical options available (whether officially or by other means) so no silly slowdown present and the games will look better. It will open the games up to a wider audience thus resulting in more profits for GUST bringing better budgets and/or ports for the future. Outside of the occasional shoddy port job (which is often fixed by community patches anyway) all recent JRPG ports have been nothing but positive things. There's a reason multiple companies are dumping their entire libraries onto Steam now.

>>15433983

I've never touched /vg/ so I have no idea what you're trying to imply but Neptunia faggotry existed long before the PC ports. The anime did not change it. The PC ports did not change it. It's always been there since the original games.

>>15433983
>I often complained about how Sophie lacks content and can feel empty (especially in town) and almost soulless compared to Arland or Dusk games
These are pretty common complaints on /v/, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

>>15434655
KT are incompetent and all of their PC ports have been abysmal. Given that they can't even localise the console versions of Gust games without adding in significant issues, a PC release would likely be broken beyond repair.

>>15434663

Just because KT are the parent company does not mean they need to port the games directly themselves. There's great third party companies out there that do that stuff already. Though who am I kidding? It's KT. They'd fuck it up. They always fuck it up.

Take the port begging back to /v/.

>>15434655

You don't fucking need a powerful PC, hell atelier games don't even max out on a PS4. Get the fuck out with that stupid PC bullshit

>>15434655
>wider audience thus resulting in more profits for GUST bringing better budgets and/or ports for the future.

Just like neptunia right? Fuck off.

>>15435071
>>15435150

Please stop responding to /v/. Otherwise they will think they are welcome.

Anyways, I just hope Firis is not at empty as Sophie, also I have not seen any announcement of the Sophie cast showing up in Firis, which I hope is the case. Other than Oscar and Elise they were rather one dimensional and a bit over designed. Also for being a famous Fashion designer Leon dresses horribly. More than anything I want to see the new IP after loving Yoru no nai kuni. I know a lit of people did not like it but I thought it was good fun, and it's refreshing to see actual yuri instead having lots of undertones.

>>15435732
>Please stop responding to /v/
You have to be delusional if you think anyone in this thread visits that shithole.

Sophie was the first atelier game I picked up. After grinding for gear, I realized how short the actual story was. How long are the other atelier games by comparison?

>>15435732
>and Elise
Did you mean Harol? Because Elise has barely any events and doesn't do anything except talk about books.

>>15435809
>Did you mean Harol?
Harol was pretty cool, had that thing of being compared to his father all the time which I can relate to. I was just in love with Elise, I loved her character design. She needed more scenes. Hell everyone needed more scenes, I really wondered what happened, Atelier tends to one of the games that gives me too many scenes. I wonder if there were production issues. I wish there had been more book Plachta with Elise scenes, feels like a missed opportunity.

>>15435830
I dunno man, I think it's just heavily split up. Corneria gets loads of scenes, Harol, Oskar, Leon, and Lucio get a decent amount, then characters like Elise and Horst have barely anything. Elise is definitely my favourite design in Sophie but she has so few events it's hard to think much of her at all as a character.

Am I seriously only going to be getting one single ability point per level after the initial 10?

>>15435850
>so few events it's hard to think much of her at all as a character.

I think even Pamela might have gotten more scenes. I have no idea what is going on in gust, but in terms of side character story telling they are slipping on Atelier. You rarely see side characters interact with each other anymore. Or maybe I am just having a case of revisionist history. I remember Arland having lots of character interaction where the main character walks in on other character talking or messing about, like Mel teasing Mimi. I remember Linca's story being extremely one sides, she was supposed to make 100 friends but it really left me feeling like Ayesha and Marion were her only friends and in E&L it felt like she had not made a single other friend, she didn't even seem like a friend to Escha or Logy or any of the other characters.

>>15435891
Arland certainly had a lot of character interaction, and while I think Ayesha was still decent about it, E&L was a disaster in terms of characterisation. People barely interacted with each other at all, the only events I can think of are between the guild leader and bartender, Marion and Linca, and one single event between Threia and the medicine girl.
Sophie is a step back up by comparison, there's plenty of scenes in Sophie where you find characters talking to other ones and join in. Although in many cases one of them leaves right away as Sophie talks to the other.

>>15435882
Just farm EXP on despair.

>>15435882
It's not too bad considering how easy it is to level eventually.

>>15435071

Tell me where I say you need a powerful PC? I mentioned that you could get better performance and graphical fidelity on a PC, that's all. It's not hard to upscale textures or improve AA, something that is optional and isn't available on console, to vastly improve visual quality if the user has a PC capable of doing so.

>>15435150

Well lets take a look at Neptunia as an example then. They've managed to go from shitty PS3 games that had little content (nobody joining your party in HDN1 for example) to completely re-releasing their games (in a similar Atelier 'Plus' fashion) on multiple platforms, they've managed to "branch out" and make a bunch of shitty spin-off games and they're bringing all of these games to the PC within a relatively short span of time. Their games are now on PS3, PS4, PSVita and PC. PC alone is showing at least a quarter million of additional sales on Rebirth 1, with over a hundred thousand for the other two games.

Are Neptunia games still filled with shitty memes and such? I'd assume so. Are they much better than they were originally? As far as I'm aware, yes. Are the PC ports of a decent quality and releasing at a good speed? Yes, they are. Is Compile Heart gaining a good chunk of profit from porting their stuff? Yes, the numbers don't lie. So my original point stands.

>>15435732
>>15434997

>Hurr durr /v/

I apologise if I'm missing out on some shitty meme from another board but I was merely wanting to know of GUST/TK had considered porting is all. Sorry to disappoint you.

>>15437146
>I apologize for being a shitty PC shitter but I was merely trying to shit all over this thread
ftfy

No one cares. These games don't release on PC. End of story. You're welcome to come back and stir the PC pot again if they do, but in the meantime that's as far as this needs to go.

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>>15437516

I have no idea why you (and others) so asspained about the topic to be throwing out insults and such. There is no "shit", I asked a question whether GUST/TK have considered it. That's all. Nothing else. I don't give a fuck about the Neptunia community or anything else. I have a complete collection of the GUST games and the consoles to play them on. Not everyone is a "shitter" or is part of the "master race". I enjoy my consoles as much as anyone else around here but that does not change the fact that PC has more advantages over said consoles. Facts are facts, throwing around insults and telling me to go elsewhere will not change that.

>These games don't release on PC

And the same could have been said for any number of games. "Final Fantasy 9 or 10 will never be on PC" "Tales of games will never arrive on PC" yet here we are.

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>>15437516
The amount of hostility here is pretty alarming. Take it easy man, we're on /jp/.

>>15437587
Interestingly enough, the Salburg trilogy was released on Windows if I remember correctly. Now granted, that was over a decade ago and the video game market was really different, but it's a fun trivia point.

>>15437943
Only Marie and Elie. I don't remember there being any PC (or any other console) ports for Lilie.

>>15437587
>I asked a question whether GUST/TK have considered it.
Given KT's complete incompetence with things like dub-only Ayesha and the shitheap that was Ar noSurge in the west, it should be clear enough that they have no understanding at all of the fanbase or the series itself. If marketed properly they could have had a much bigger western success than what Neptunia has been, but instead they're sitting on their thumbs releasing digital-only ports and scrapping Vita versions entirely for other games, and sticking their fingers in their ears when an opportunity for greater success is presented to them.

So yes, they have considered it, they've just dismissed it because they have no idea what they're doing.

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This yuri subtext...

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>>15438631
They seem promising.

Now started Totori after finally finishing Rorona+ with Astrid End...

Feels off now that I can't 2/3 shot these Audras w/o Melvia and they can do the same to Gino and Totori. No quick move yet and doing anything seems to takes a lot of time off vs just traveling in Rorona+.

Any of you guys got any tips for me?

>>15439470
Everything takes more time in Totori because you're also given significantly more time. 5 years, to be precise.

Just level up your characters until you can make decent equipment and focus on getting adventurer points, you can't really do much wrong. The fights in Totori are pretty easy.

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Just remember.
Sophie is the cutest atelier.

Has nobody scanned the Artworks of Arland book released by Udon? Thinking of picking it up.

>>15440542
Is that the one with Meruru as well? If so, I don't think it has. I was thinking of getting it at some point as its one of the only Atelier art books I don't own.

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>>15440587
There's the Japanese "Rorona & Totori & Meruru no Atelier Premium Artbook" scanned on Ex, which does cover Meruru, but it also only has 219 pages, many of which are CGs from the games.
Udon's Artworks of Arland book is 256 pages, translated, and has design notes for the characters, like the artbooks for the Dusk games that are on Ex do, but I'm not sure what else it has in terms of content.
http://www.parkablogs.com/content/book-preview-atelier-artworks-of-arland

I have no experience with scanning books but if no one else is going to do it I could give it a shot, since we do own a scanner.

>>15440628
Scanning books generally means destroying them. Most scanners remove the binding and scan each page flat.

>>15440655
Yeah, I knew that'd be the case. I don't mind doing that.

>>15440659
God bless your soul, if you actually do it.

Huh, there's a trophy in Ciel offline for "Restoring every memory" for each set of four chapters.
I'm at chapter 8 but didn't get the one for the first four. Guess it's bugged. Goodbye, Platinum trophy, I won't miss you.

>>15442209
Nope. It's because you need to go through the Terminate Pack before they unlock, as that also has memories for chapters 2 to 12.

>>15442910
Oh, thank you!
>need to go through the Terminate Pack before they unlock, as that also has memories for chapters 2 to 12.
I can't imagine how that works, considering how the dream world has been working up to now. Well, I'll see when I get there.

>>15443700
Yeah don't worry, you'll get there. If you look in the history list you'll notice "missing" episodes.
Either way, you're doing fine. The only things to keep in mind are 1) do not wait/skip any of the dates Ion invites you on, and 2) keep up with Nelico's visits.

Take care of that and you'll be fine for the plat.

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Just made the key of truth in Sophie. How much more of the game do I have left?

>>15444340
I thought if you skipped a date she just came back for it later. Is that not right?

Damn, Brexit should have happened sooner, I would have saved some money on Sophie.

>>15444717
Nope. If you schedule a date and you miss it, it's gone. You stood her up. It's harder to miss them in Offline cause you can go on it immediately instead of having to wait for another day. But if you tell her "Later" but don't trigger it that day, you miss it and won't be able to marry her.

>>15440628
proto mimi looks so cool i wish it was a bigger picture

>>15444506
Close to the end of main story. If you haven't been grinding end game gear, then it'll probably be a bit longer.

Has anybody gotten the early-purchase DLC for the localized Vita version of Sophie?

so I've unlocked a couple costumes for characters in Ar Nosurge, but the costume change screen is always greyed out.
Is there a trick to getting that to work, or do I have to progress to a certain point before it becomes available?

>>15451206
IIRC you have to beat the bonus boss to change costumes.

>>15451206
If you're in the PS3 version, you can never unlock them for use, as the bonus boss was dummied out in the localized version. Your only way for that would be using a resigned save from the JP version that has them unlocked.

On the Vita version though, you can fight the bonus boss and unlock them.

>>15438846
I'm unsure whether to call this cute or stylish, so I'll settle with saying she wears those glasses well.

>>15444959
Not the person you replied to, but I also got a question regarding dates:

Is there a way to get those wildcard dates to succeed (he ones where she goes "ko~n kon~" and then you get to choose a location).
I have yet to manage to get even one successful one, the place I choose always ends up a "dud" (75 hymP, no affection). One time I even tried loading and choosing a different spot, but even though I managed to check most of them, none worked.

>>15455088
These mini-dates have nothing to them, as that's only to have a minute of fun with Ion. They always get cancelled because whenever you go to these places in anything that's not a proper date, there's always something going on that makes Ion ask to go back to the room right away.

>>15451492

That's disappointing, but thanks for the information.

AnS, at least the combat portion, feels very....unfinished.
Especially if you find yourself able to 1-shot enemies, or if there are the stupid cars that only let you get one or two actions before forcibly ending your turn -- things get glitchy. Especially Ion's vocal messages in combat, where multiple messages will overlap or play at the same time and gets super annoying.
I was honestly surprised that wasn't fixed with the 1.01 update.

>>15456479
They never patched the car bug that crashed your game or one of the equipment slots not working either.

EXA_PICO games have always been very buggy. I'd like to think it's because they never gave Tsuchiya a decent budget to work with.

Anyone know how to get the yuri ending in AnS? Tried everything but can't figure it out.

>>15449661
I bought the PS4 version but when I redeemed the code for the preorder bonuses it have me the stuff for both the PS4 and the Vita versions

>>15456479
TK half-assed the QA testing horribly, what with having carried over not only the Delay Burst crash bug, the useless Lv.1 TxBIOS slots, and the swapped stats between the Seven Dimensional stats from the JP version, but also rendering impossible to unlock several glossary entries and messing up Ion's voiceovers in battle.

>>15457159
Hopefully it's fixed in the PC version?

>>15460062
Maybe in 5 years if/when PS3 emulation on a PC gets to playable levels.
No, the Vita won't be hacked let alone emulated ever.

>>15460109
Why not? 3DS emulation is coming along pretty well

>>15460117
3DS is hacked on the innermost level, thus it's possible to investigate how exactly it's doing whatever it does at the moment and simulate (emulate) that on another hardware.

PS Vita isn't even close to being hacked (as in running custom code with kernel or even game access level), so essentially it remains to be a black box.
Simply put, it's impossible to replicate unknown activity.

>>15460176
Can't we just decap all the chips and then work from there? Can't be too hard.

>>15460176
vita has native code exec, what are you on?

>>15460181
Vita is not interesting enough for those who are capable of reverse engineering the hardware, although some efforts have been made (scanned layers of the main PCB have been available for some time already, for instance).
It got its flashcart of sorts (which Sony blocked for good even before it was released) which isn't even self-sufficient, and that's all.
Unless KT forces GUST to release their games on a PC, nobody will be able to fix anything until we get playable PS3 emulation.

>>15460202
Rejuvenate is in its own sandbox with no access to regular Vita games. It's useless for hacking and emulation purposes.

I just bought Melody of Elemia on PS2 still in shrinkwrap

Will there be a English release of the ps3 version? Not buying a console just for 1 game

>>15466616
Sophie?
No

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>>15466616

if you get the ps3, you might as well play through qoga as well.

So, can I see all character events after I beat boss in Sophie?

Just watched through everything Ciel Nosurge English had to offer and read through the remaining two chapters.
Unless actually playing through it just makes it so much infinitely better, I'm actually kinda disappointed in it compared to Ar Tonelico. I feel it is less grounded in its tech/physics explanations, really exaggerated some elements that I never really liked even in Ar Tonelico ("science is evil" kind of stuff, it's not like it went the whole way in it, but the arguments were really mostly stupid), and the entire planet Ra Ciela seems like a nation of reading faggots to the point where it's unnatural (I think there was an entire one point in the game where "generic sprite guy" appeared and didn't immediately say something unlikable). Even before, I kinda suspected that Teru have some unnatural disposition to screwing things up for everybody. Ciel made me go "oh, so that's why, makes sense if they're descended from this bunch of faggots, they are slightly less faggot-y, though, must be Telefunken's influence".
Still it was a fun experience, the plot is really thrilling and chaotic, Nay is best girl despite being one of the more realistic characters, and Chapter 8 is best chapter from the ones that came out in video form.
Looking forward to trying Ar Nosurge next. I just hope player dialogue isn't too restrictive, and that I get to dive into Nay. It's a shame that she probably doesn't have an ending, though.
Thanks to the guy translating it, I cannot imagine understanding anything in Ar Nosurge without being explained ask this stuff.

>>15467518
>Looking forward to trying Ar Nosurge next.

Don't get your expectations too high. It's not like playing through AT2 the first time. In addition to >>15457159 's comments, there is a lot of rather poor execution on part of the story directing and plot, especially of the first phase of Ar Nosurge.

>I cannot imagine understanding anything in Ar Nosurge without being explained ask this stuff.

most of the Ar Nosurge plot-relevant stuff gets explained, albeit in poorly thought-out ways, mostly through the cosmospheres and mostly as one-liner type spoiler messages that really show how the group WANTED to do more with it to tie into the main story, but just fell flat.

Really, I feel bad for anybody who plays through Ar nosurge and then dives into Ciel for reasons other than a slice of life with ion and the extra scenario character interactions.

>>15467518

Ar tonelico and Surge Concerto never did the "science is evil" stuff, as they all showed that science is good as long as is grounded in ethics instead of letting scientists do whatever they saw fit, as Clacket and Undu themselves demonstrate in Ciel. Similarly, the science and tech are every bit as grounded as they were in Ar tonelico, taking some pages from our scientific theories (Superstring Theory, M-Theory), even more if you take the time to read the Genomirai Wiki Gust themselves published.

As for Ra Ciela, it should have been clear from the game and the glossary entries in the videos that the "planet" is actually just the North Magnetic Pole region covered by a large dome, as the rest of the planet is no more than a barren, burnt wasteland due to Bezel's current state. And the Ra Cielans aren't bad people at heart: the only true irredeemable bastards in either game from that planet were solely Revelt and Zill.

Otherwise, you could make the same case for the Ar Cielans given how horribly they screwed up things between the Seven Bloodstains, their mistreatment of the Reyvateils causing the Reyvateil War and Mir's Rebelliong in Sol Ciel, and Clusternia's foundation in Sol Cluster, Infel's attempt at Metafalica being ruined completely, and also Kurogane's faggotry in rendering the very Planet Regeneration Project he himself had made a failure just to supersede it with his nigh-delusional Human Evolution Project.

>>15467626
Not really. If you're going to say Ar nosurge's first phase has poor execution in its story direction and plotting, I could say the same about AT2 and AT3.

>>15467988

I meant more in the sense that every other character kind of gets flipped on their head as far as what you expect from their relationships and personalities from Ciel.

especially kozal. that one was fucking unbelievable.

>>15468029

Consider this: Cosal hated the humans after they invaded Sharlanoia 5000 years prior to Ciel nosurge and literally hunted his race to the point of exterminion, forcing them to transform into spiritual lifeforms to escape complete annihilation.

His original plan was to ship off the humans in Soreil and abandon them in the midst of space, so he and the Genoms could refocus on rebuilding their planet as it was before their arrival, which was what he led Chimon to do.

He finally abandoned this plan by the time Kanon and Ion came into the picture and they demonstrated to him that humans and Genom could coexist, but all of that was ruined by the stupidity that Revelt did in Chapter 11 by finally destroying Ra Ciela's core and leading the planet to its eventual death. After that, it's not unbelievable for him to act the way he does in Ar nosurge, even if he does come off as a jerk due to it: he just went back to his old mindset of "humans are nothing but nuisances to my race and my planet", and Almetica event hints to it in Chapter 12.

As for the other characters, I don't see it's so hard to take it: they all had gone over 5000 years in cold sleep, and around 10 to 15 years living in the ship afterwards, dealing with the Genomirai Church and the Sharls. Given that, it's not strange they would have changed so much. Especially Delta, what with it's revealed about him in Phase 2.

>>15468068

Delta sort of gets a get-out-of-jail-card for why he changed. The writers at least attempted to give an explanation.

The other characters... considering how small the world is and how much they literally were together, the amount of secrecy and intentional withholding of information from each other that plagues the first chunk of hours is fucking stupid. I get why they would treat Delta that way, or do so in his presence, but the writers went out of their way to have the characters try to be foreboding about most of the shit (most of which really didn't matter in the long run), and it really made the interactions odd. Most of that gets fixed by the time you start phase 2 and the characters interact normally with each other, for the most part.

and then there's Cosal, who is suposed to be the oldest and wisest of the Ciel crew, who took an EQUAL part in setting the stage for the events to play out for destroying the planet, is given a complete 180 degree turn. If he turned bitter over the years of being trapped in the black hole, and simply wanted to stand on top and watch the world burn to nothing beneath him... Certainly then his actions would then match his judgement - but that's clearly not what they were going for.

It more feels like the change is more due to the middle part of the game being set in stone before the beginning, and that's what really gets on my nerves. The only way to get to the maternal overseer end up as it did was for Cosal to blindly trust Zill to be the caretaker of harvesting souls from the cities and monitoring the ship's power supply with no oversight into what she actually does while he watches the grass grow, completely obvious to everything going on around him.

>>15468207

The implication is that Cosal knew very well what Zill was doing, but that he never expected for her to do the idiocy of changing the ship's power source, which is precisely why he refuses to align with the party until the situation becomes critical enough for even the Sharls that he can't continue ignoring what she is doing.

Plus, I already explained in my previous post what exactly led him to do the stuff he was doing until he changed his tune: treat the humans as cattle and use them merely to create and sustain the land, in repayment for them destroying first their race and then destroying their planet. Even the oldest and wisest people can do idiotic things when they're being blinded by hatred and rage, even if they don't look like they're having these emotions (otherwise ask Mir, who for all her intelligence and wisdom in AT, committed outright genocide during the time her hatred was at its peak).

As for the rest of the characters in Phase 1, would it have benefited anyone if Sarly and Nay had come and told Casty about what happened to Delta, as that was the only secret they were actually keeping from her? Telling her the truth most likely would have just made her paranoid (and anyone else in Felion who got to learn about that truth) that Delta would stop acting like himself at any time.

>>15467626
>It's not like playing through AT2 the first time
I don't think I was actually all that excited upon playing AT2 got the first time. OK, I kinda was (it was enjoyable from the very beginning), but i mostly was disappointed about the things from AT1 I loved that didn't make it in. I think I only started really enjoying it a little bit in, around Act 2.
>poor execution of the story directing and plot
As far as I'm concerned, it's a problem with all EXA_PICO games. They have amazing ideas and some really cool themes, and occasionally GOAT execution moments, but it's really uneven on the execution part. The worst and most cringeworthy moments in the series were all the result of flubbing the execution of a really cool idea. I sometimes wonder if everything is written by the same writer, and really looked through by TOTAL CONTROL, or if it's more complex than that.
>>15467983
>never did "science is evil"
I'm mostly talking about the big conversation between Clackett and Undu in Chapter 7 about how they stepped into "the realm of God", Nay's rebuttal against Clackett's "I just wanted to reveal all the secrets in the world" (which is an alright motivation) and the whole "people in Manjusara learned not to depend on Cielnotrons so much" (it would be like modern people learning not to depend on electricity being a good thing, though maybe they just got tired of said electricity blowing up their cellphones).
Scientists did do plenty of bad things in-story, but I felt they were kinda unrealistic? Like, not the kind of amoral thing a scientist would actually do, even if they were given all the materials by sci-fi CIA. And that it was mostly the fault of Revelt being a humongous faggot anyway, he outright rejected the safer Interdimend proposed by Clackett pre-redemption and he was the one who actually warped Ion, why isn't there a big thing about him basically only OK'ing only the worst possible uses for everything they researched?
Basically, scientists were in the bad, but I feel this holds no message for our world (since scientists doing unethical research gets them into jail in our system) and they weren't even the ones most at fault, they were just dumb fucks.
> every bit as grounded
Didn't read through Genomirai wiki, but the whole Genom "three helixes" explanation and Cielnotrons' vacuum tubes thing felt like a cop-out compared to Ar Tonelico's Grathnode and Parameno. TxBIOS isn't really a BIOS, unless they're kinda redefining 'Basic Input/Output System" here to be be something really different then what we mean for it. The Seven Dimensions stuff is the "star"of the game, but it isn't explained all that much in the game either. Why does moving somebody beyond the Sixth Axis break the universe? How does Clackett know it, and why is he so sure that's the reason even when Chapter 8 happened until they found the real reason? Why is Fukanshiten a thing in the first place?
It's not like it was even all that bad, but I just felt that AT's detailed explanations of otherworldly physics behind the magic and Tower structure were cooler than SC's high-level concepts thrown together and assumed as true, even if Ciel made a better use of these restrictions in its plot.
>Ra Cielans vs Ar Cielans
I know it's mostly surface-level stuff, I was just making an argument about how they overdid the "dumb crowd" thing in Ciel.
In any case, Ar Cielans screwed up on a lot of things, but they also immediately tried to fix everything, and tried for centuries afterwards. When Ra Cielans screwed everything up, they decided the problem was that not everything was yet screwed, so they did again for good measure, and then decided to stay silent about the whole problem. Or maybe it was all just Revelt's fault.

>>15469765
>>15467626
I remember the first time I started AT2 I was kind of confused at first, wondering whether this was the same tower, a different tower in the same world, an alternate universe, or what. AT1 really pushed the "this tower is all that's left of the world" thing so it kind of threw me for a loop to have the second game "well actually here's this completely different tower in the same world"

Unless they actually did mention there were 3 towers in AT1 and I just missed it somehow, always thought playing the first game it was just the one though.

>>15469765
>"dumb crowd" in Ciel / (Ra Cielians)
I think the hard thing here that Tsuchiya and the other writers were going for was the contrasting of the manipulators/players in the Ra Ciela society, to the general population, but they didn't want to take the time, or felt like maybe they had devoted enough time to convey a sense of the 'mob'.

These people have lived for a decade with an ever escalating partisanship 'war' similar to the dichotic scenario we see in the US today. People are fed information through propaganda filters to sculpt how their sympathizers think and feel about the other side.

Factor in the harsh conditions of the planet, and the fact that everyone is fully aware that death could come raining down on them at any time, and the planet's doom is pretty much just a question of how long, and that long is very much within their near-term lifetimes, and you get a large amount of fear which makes them easy prey for the propaganda machines of the manipulators.

These are scared, controlled, helpless people. They are the epitome of a "dumb crowd". Largely, they've given up on thinking for themselves at this point because they don't feel like there's any point. Just look at Pari and Coolin. Originally determined to overcome the bullshit of that partisan fight, they easily became their colonia's fore-most agents of it.

So while I get where you're coming from, I don't think the Ar Ciel comparison is far since these people were literally living under a very large looming axe.

>fukanshiten/oversight
The basic idea is based out of extra-dimensionality. The concept is explained in the term's glossary with the example of the 3-dimensional vantage point vs. a 2-dimensional maze.

Similarly, the idea is that not only are Ion and Nero from another Universe, they are effectively pulled from a HIGHER dimensionality, which means in the EXA_PICO universe, despite their physical presence in that Universe physically, they retain the ability to view their surroundings from an Extra-Dimensional vantage point, giving them the same kind of advantage that a 3-dimensional view of that 2-dimensional maze provides.

And in regards to the sixth-axis shift, Undu and Clacket explain that fairly well in Ch8. The imprecise and poorly constructed translation of the sixth dimensional axis to a possibility where sarly and clacket sympathize with Neros and Zill's goals literally causes a rip in the fabric of reality, which resonates and further distorts as time goes on.

I felt like it was fairly well done and interesting, especially given how much of a fan of vacuum tubes I am, the Tron element was very interesting. I won't comment or compare to AT cause frankly I don't care to. But I think the world building in SC was very cool and well done, but very much like how the story explored the emotional motivations of the characters.

>>15472808

if so, that is likely a localization error. Even exec_harminious mentions metafalica, after all.

>Gust wasted an anime adaptation with Escha and Logy, one of their worst games this decade

>it was shit and was unsuccessful so we will never see adaptations of actual good Gust games

;_;

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>>15480547
>it was shit

dont be so mean

>>15480547
I liked both, the game and the anime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsTAmMxrxVQ

>>15480547
Don't be silly, E&L was the best in the dusk trilogy.

>>15480650
Ayesha >>Shallie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Escha and Logy

>>15481248
You've been smoking too many of those herbs my friend.

>>15481248
This, E&L wasn't that bad though, but it was the worst of the three.

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If Steam Summer Sale didn't make you completely broke, there's another chance with Big in Japan PSN sale!
EU only though.

>>15481721
Damn, I pay double for them on the JP store when they're on sale.

>>15481721
What the hell, NA only got Totori on sale.

>>15481867
Ayesha+ and Rorona+ are never on sale, Koei NA is shit.

>>15481880
I'm glad we got Totori but I wanted the others dammit. I have not played Rorona since the original ps3 version.

>>15480547
Video game adaptions are shit anyways so I'm glad they adapted the worst one. I wouldn't want them making a Meruru anime and ruining it for example.

>>15480650
No, it's easily the worst. Shallie is actually the best Dusk game.

>>15481880
>>15481898
Got Rorona+ and Ayesha+ on different sales like a year ago, got Torori+ yesterday, only need Meruru+ and E&L+ now.

Also, when can we expect Shallie+ localization announcement?

Mandarake currently has that really lewd Ion tapestry for sale https://order.mandarake.co.jp/order/detailPage/item?itemCode=1046344493&ref=list

>>15484168

oh dear, that really is lewd.

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>>15484168
I wish there was more lewd AT stuff.

How long does NISA usually take to process an order? I bought the Sophie Limited Edition on Thursday and it's still processing

>>15485671
I pre-ordered it and they charged a week before release and it came a day early. Since you didn't pre-order it's probably sold out already

>>15485936
It said it was in stock when I ordered it and they already charged me

>>15484168
That's really good.

I love the Atelier games (and Gust's games in general) but I wish they'd spend more time on them. At the same time, I know they said they need to release an Atelier every year to keep the studio afloat. It'd be nice if they went the Pokemon route, having two different teams with one handling new installments and the other handling remakes of the older games based on the latest engine. That way they could stagger releases so that they still release an Atelier every year, but the games would have more time to cook. Say they start with (yet another) Marie remake using the Firis engine, and then the next year release A19, and then the next year Elie using the A19. They can have a B team do the remakes since the tech, game systems, and story/characters are already done, while the regular team gets an extra year to make each new installment.

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>>15485671
This guy, nevermind it finally came in for me

>>15494934
Nice. Mine is still sealed as I'm trying to finish up platting Ar Nosurge Plus. Looking forward to playing Sophie though. I've heard some not so positive things about it but I heard the same about E&L and Shallie and I enjoyed them anyways, so I'm sure I'll like this.

>>15495194
I'm really happy with it, I'll probably get the cloth poster framed if I can find a cheap frame.

I'll probably play it later tonight, maybe with vita remote play for extra comfiness. I'm looking forward to it, I love all Atelier games. The art, the music, the overall comfiness, I've never really been disappointed with a title so I'm sure I won't be with this one.

>>15495194
I'm playing it right now. It's pretty comfy, the music is good and the characters are cute.
I have only played Iris, Marie, and Elie so I can't quite compare it to others but I'm enjoying it.
When I finish Plachta's body I'll enjoy it even more, I'm sure.

Is there a timeline on Firis pre-orders yet?

>>15496690
I'm not sure what you are asking.
Amiami is accepting pre-orders already.
I'm not sure about the Gust Shop.
Release date is September 29.

Don't forget to visit the Tanabata event in Ciel nosurge today.

>>15502561
Oh shit, time to start reading the buyfag guide and stop procrastinating.

So I'm at year 3 already in Ayesha and only synthesized the glowing flower petals. I'm fucked up right?

I hate that time limit and no clear directions where to go. Some useless events all over the map just to annoy me too.

>>15502998
That was kind of depressing, especially since I haven't talked to Ion in a long time.

>>15484168
Anyone have scans of those?
Ciel nosurge art is fantastic
Also what a wonderful Ion

>>15484168
>12,960円
Are you fucking kidding me.

>>15507365
That's about the regular price for a daki cover. That shit is always expensive like that. You ever see a picture of someone rocking a farm of dakis, just remember that each of those was 100burgerbucks or more.

>>15507679
It's not a daki though. It's a tapestry.

>>15507005
Yes, it's in the artbook

>>15472808
Both games state the era and year they take place in during the videos at their very beginning. And they also foreshadowed that there were other two Towers with the presence of the Trio of Elemia, Shurelia being named after Eolia.

>>15514617
>Shurelia being named after Eolia.
It's been a while. Was that actually mentioned in AT1, the game itself?

>>15515222
It was, if I remember correctly.

Is anyone thinking of getting the 32,076 JPY Firis preorder? That seems like of ridiculous for a newbie buyer like me.

Also, is AmiAmi the only place offering preorder bonuses, and are preorder bonuses generally worth it? I'm not sure I want to pay $10 more for an acrylic stand, whatever that will be.

Is it possible to play every Ar Tonelico game on my iPhone?

>>15516780
I grabbed the super deluxe Sophia pack from Gust Shop last round. The sheer amount and variety of stuff they load in there is crazy.

Unless you're planning on going full ham collector it's not worth it.

Different shops will all have their own pre-order bonuses. You can see the various shop bonuses for firis here:
http://social.gust.co.jp/firis/products.html#tokuten

>>15518862
Dont know any decent PS2 emulator. (AT1, 2)
AT3? PS3? Heck no.

>>15518998
Oh my bad, I thought they were PS1 games.

>>15518907
Thanks, the pre-order chart is useful.

Do you have any experience ordering from the GUST shop from outside Japan, or does standard buyfag advice apply? I'm going through the proxy list but there are a lot of them.

Just finished Ar noSurge.
;_; Nero. It just had to be Ion's selfish way in the end, didn't it? On the bright side, now she can actually kill herself to get away from everything.

Shurelia is nutbladder shatteringly adorable. I was not ready for her bunny rabbit call.

And for some of the story that wasn't explained....
If Soreil didn't move for the 5,000 years, why the hell did the sun not supernova and swallow it? Why were the bursts that would have destroyed the planet never an issue, even though the ion umbrella Sarly makes mentions how terrible they were and how the planet would've been destroyed because of them?

Also, Horus's song magic is a gundam style colony drop of Soreil into the new planet. For something so foreboding, I would've expected a rather serious reaction from the group, and instead it's not brought up at all.

The first 36 seconds of yal fii-ne noh-iar is the best music of the noSurge line, by a notable margin. It's a real shame Origa will never be able to sing stuff like that ever again.

>>15520274
Did you not get the true ending?

>>15520274
Nero a shit.

>>15511496
I mean something like the base image. The artbook has the fancyborders (not that I'm complaining) hence certain parts of the image getting blocked

So the end of Class::DISTLLISTA; has a pretty good tune

From what I can infer from the comments about it, its connected to Ar Tonelico somehow

Is it an arrangement of a song or something?
Help me out a bit, the tune was really great and felt that I wanted to delve deeper

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>>15520734
Fuck you, she should've had a route instead of Cass.

>>15520890
Stockholm Syndrome

I want to get into the Ar Tonelico series and hoped you guys can help me out a bit here

In the lazy pack, should I just torrent AT 1 and Download AT 2 using the mega?

Also are those other games working, I unknowingly found a goldmine

>>15520274

About Nero, that gets fixed in the True Ending, so go and get it already. It also bears mentioning this: Ion was pretty much at the border of death when she was forced to use the Genelogic Machine that sent her soul to Ra Ciela, so if she never returns to her world, her original body will actually die and be ruled as a murder. It's also implied her younger sister was a witness to these events, so Ion staying in Ra Ciela means causing irreparable trauma to Aya and also dealing a devastating blow to her family.

And the story was actually explained if you take the time to connect the dots together: Ion and Nero were the cause for the dimensional disturbances that got Bezel sick (got into a red giant state long before its normal time). So what you think would happen if they suddenly vanished from that universe for 5000 years (as it actually happened due to Nero warping herself, the Micro Quasar and Ion 5000 years to the future)? Simple: the dimensional disturbances would disappear with them and Bezel would slowly go back to normal. In fact, the sun you can see shining over Soreil's surface areas is in fact Bezel after it has returned to normal, so it's just normal that there are no Wave Bursts in all of Ar nosurge (and it's officially stated over here: http://artonelico.wikia.com/wiki/ARM_Backup/Surge_Concerto/Genomirai_Wiki/The_Ark#Heading_to_the_Outer_Walls)

>>15520881

It's a rearrangement of the song played by the Orgel of Origins (Ar tonelico's power source). The article on the orgel and the article on Distllista itself on the Wikia both say as much. Also, I want to remind some idiots who think that Ar nosurge retconned how the Orgel works that without that game, we wouldn't even know what the song it plays sounds like.

>>15520890

Not like it'd have worked, as there are no characters that have any sort of romantic attachment to her from Ciel or developed one for her in Ar.

>>15520978

Pretty much. Also, don't play AT2 without applying the fan relocalization (and fixup/addition) patch to it.

>>15520978
Small remark. AT2 mega isn't the latest Beta retranslation build.
Unfortunately, I don't have much time now to fix this yet, so you have to apply the next build on your own.
I apologize for this, as soon as I have enough time, this will be updated.

>Are those other games working?

Yes, they do, If you mean the Undub folder. Most of them I played on my emulator, so go ahead.

>>15521159
>Ion was pretty much at the border of death when she was forced to use the Genelogic Machine that sent her soul to Ra Ciela
Where's the source for this?

>Not like it'd have worked, as there are no characters that have any sort of romantic attachment to her from Ciel or developed one for her in Ar.
Except you, of course, since you are one of the characters in the story.

>>15521388
>Where's the source for this?
From the second Ar nosurge light novel, which was released back in May.

Also, it's implied that the guy who almost killed Ion and forced her to do that was actually Prim's player, manipulating electronics in her Earth through Aya's cellphone and hacking. As for how he could do that... Aya copied into her cellphone the AI program Ion used in Yumekichi, which was no AI algorithm but a Surge Concerto Terminal program for using Interdimend the Tenmon had sent together with the Genomirai Questionnaire (a test seemingly used to gauge how compatible and close a soul would be to what they want their princess to be) and the blueprints for the Genelogic Machine that are given upon completing the questionnaire with a perfect score. That's also why Yumekichi stopped working after he saved Ion during her swimming test and why she couldn't fix him no matter what she tried, because we had become unable to further control him.

>Except you, of course, since you are one of the characters in the story.
And would you be heartless enough to betray Ion and leave her for Nero after everything you went through with her? Because if you do, that would only prove her point that you didn't care at all about her.

>>15521159
>fan relocalization
???
>>15521347
Oh it isnt? Guess I'll wait for your signal man, gonna play AT1 first before delving into 2 anyway

So its safe to just download AT1 on in the undub torrent and wait for an updated AT2 right?

>>15521466
Yes, of course. Just download it and play. Videofix should have been already included.

I will try to update the pack soon.

>>15521159
So the first time the orgel of origins' sound was known by the public is via Distllista?

Are the new Atelier games even easier than the older ones, ,y first was Totori and I found it challenging, played Meruru for the first time recently and was surprised that quests no longer have deadlines and and the map was much smaller to get around.

I really just wish there was a NG extension mode or something where you could play on after the 5 year mark after you get an ending just to fully explore the map / craft equipment before ng+, are there any atelier games like that where you can just chill like a normal RPG and take your time crafting best equipment and levelling before you fight bosses etc.?

>>15522521
Mana Khemia 1 & 2 seem to come to mind since you got infinite time between assignments to just gather, craft, and explore.

The combat is imo the best and most solid of all Gust games I have played.

I did quit at the final dungeon though since it was just AT1 where I was underleveled and undergeared and had to spam exilirs just to survive against the final boss. Before the final was a lot of fun and highly recommend it.

>>15519306
Standard buyfag advice. They're a Japan only shipper so use your proxy and order away.
I've bought quite a bit of stuff from them, using Tenso as a reshipper and never had problems.

I do like and recommend Tenso but I've never tried any other reshippers so I can't do comparisons. But I have been using Tenso for 3 years now and they've been great.

>>15522521
>Totori
I don't know what it is about that game, but I can't bring myself to finish it. It's just so fucking dull. It was my first Atelier and would have been my last, but thankfully I bought Ayesha on a whim. I played through all of the other PS3/Vita Ateliers and loved them. But I just can't get into Totori. It's a shame because I love Totori herself and a few of the other cast members.

>>15525174

I struggled, on my first blind playthrough I ignored building the boat and got a bad end then on my second I did and got an end and just couldn't be bothered to play through again. Never got the true end, was surprised to find out that Totori's mum was still alive in Meruru

>>15525517
I made two honest attempts at it. The first St time was in 2011 or whenever Totori Plus first released. I got it a week or so after it came out and put maybe six hours into it before I had to stop or else risk entering a boredom coma. I tried it again with few years later, starting over and making my way past where I was before. After a dozen or so hours I just couldn't stand it anymore. I'm at a loss as to what the reason is. No single aspect of the game is significantly worse than the other Ateliers, but the game as a whole just rubs me the wrong way. I enjoyed Rorona vanilla and Plus, Meruru, Ayesha, Escha & Logy, Shallie, and Sophie. But Totori just drives me crazy.

>Not only does your equipment carry over to NG+ but your companions too

Fuck, I didn't even bother to put much on my companions end game as I thought I'd lose it all, well that was a mistake.

Looks like Sophie, Plachta and Oskar are returning for Atelier Firis. Also, Fritz's daughter.

>>15526280
>Sophie, Plachta
Best Atelier couple

Does equipment thet you're wearing gradually degrade overtime in the Atelier games specifically Meruru? I.e. do I need to give all my companions blessed coins to stop their armour and weapons degrading.

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>Sophie is now 20

I mean, I'm fine with this age but now I'm worried about the third game. They should've went with 18.

Drossel looks like Leon 2.0 and Oskar is now skinny. Why the fuck did they need to make that fag traveling with them anyways? I really hope the next girls revealed are flat. I'm not sure if it's just me but Gust seems to be having less small chested girls lately. I'm going to need at least two other characters besides Illmeria.

>>15527226
The Gust DFC craze was mostly thanks to ntny.
That dude understands the beauty of a flat chest.
noco and yuugen seem to be in the "hand-ful" to "overflowing" camp.
personally I'm fine with sophie level

>>15527480
Sophie and Plachta are good medium-ish sized and I agree they're fine. I don't exclusively like small chests but I'm not a fan of over-sized cowtits. I just want more smaller chested girls in this game.

Anyone else think Gust needs to stop with all of these limited editions? Whatever happened to the standard limited edition that was the game and the paperweight? Those were nice

>>15528433
They still have the regular premium boxes.

>>15528466
Yeah but they just have garbage in them. They used to have the nice paperweights and now they just have like a poster or whatever.

>>15521159

Ah, I missed the portal/warp part. Thanks.

>>15520694>>15521159

Finished the True End.

So then, the will of the universe launches the colony ship with the two corpses onboard back at the new planet, and with a full tank of fuel. Wonderful.

I was hoping there would be at least a hint of some sort that their souls made it back to the world they belong, instead of a final farewell as they start to lose contact with only the eventual fate of the ship known.

By the way, are those AnS LNs in English at all?

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>>15528782
The LNs don't have a translation.

By the way, there's a secret ending CG (and 13 minute voicemail) that comes with connecting Ciel nosurge and Ar nosurge through SekaiLink if you married Ion in Ciel.

Here's a summary of the voicemail that I stole from a Gamefaqs thread.

She successfully returned back home and arrived back at almost the same time in which she disappeared so she was happy it didn't cause too much of a fuss. She talks about how it's a bit too peaceful there and how it's also lonely. She explains that she's going to use a machine that's tied to the Exapico universe to send you the message she's making now. She worries that if she does, there's a chance that she might get sent back to Ra Ciela, however she also states that it might not be a bad thing since it also means she might get a chance to meet you again. The reason why she's sending you a message is because in the game you and Ion got married so she thought as your wife it was strange that she couldn't contact you and wanted to make some sort of message for you, as your wife. Then she starts to cry a bit and says that instead of cheering you up that because of her crying you might end up worrying about her. She then sort of recaps about the time when you made contact in Nelico's world, the time in which you were destroyed and rebuilt and she thanks you for being there for her. She also talks about the feeling that she won't ever be able to meet you but she says that she's studying hard to find a way to meet you in person. She then says she's about to cut off soon and thanks you but continues on about if you're happy then she's happy. Again, she states the she's going to try her hardest at researching for a way to meet you. She tells you she loves you and talks about no matter how far the distance is between you two, the bonds that you two have connects both of your hearts together. She tells you to be well and then says "arigatou watashi no taisetsuna anata" and it cuts off there.

There's another voicemail that say's she's glad the message she sent got through and recalls an event about something to do with some sort of strawberry dish(I didn't know what it was or what the event was but I figured it was probably something in Ciel nosurge) and then says she would like to talk longer but she has school and then says goodbye and winds up the music box which plays the op theme of the game and she leaves. After a few moments the message cuts off.

I'm not sure whether or not I translated it correctly but this is what I got from my very limited Japanese language and hopefully this is kind of useful for some others who are interested in the voicemail Ion sent.

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>>15528616
For Shallie Plus, released this past March, the premium box has a ミニ・クリスタルペーパーウェイト (mini crystal paperweight). I don't have any idea how small "mini" means here.

I still prefer the music box that came with Ar Nosurge, and wish I also had the Ar Tonelico one.

>>15528782
It's a ways off but I was thinking of taking a stab at translating them once I was done with CnSiE.

Kind of looking forward to working with an actual book translation instead of pure dialogue and sub-timing/video encoding.

>>15528433
They have the crystal paper-weights and other cool stuff still, they just put them in the higher-tier Gust Shop-only boxes.

My sophie box had a crystal puni keyring, gold-plated spoons, and some other cool stuff I can't remember.

They probably had to stop doing the crystal paperweights in the vendor-shipped LEs because of KT's business practices or something so you gotta get that stuff through the Gust Shop specials instead now.

>>15528938
I'm aware of the Shallie Plus items, I'm more mad about Sophie and Firis.

>>15529330
I'm fine with the artbook and soundtrack that Sophie came with. The box is big and looks nice on display.

Someday I'll get around to learning Japanese so that I'll have a justification for buying the Gust Shop LEs. Someday.

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What's the secret ingredient in hom and chims? It's semen right, there's nothing else I can think of that would make the girls want to avoid telling you.

I want to lick her ears so bad

Anybody here who played Ar Nosurge have any idea where to get bezeliel crystals? I need one to keep synthesising with Tattoria to get the trophy, but I can't find these things for the life of me. I tried google but the only info is for some other kind of crystal you can make at Nay's shop, but it's not the one I need (and doesn't show up anyway). Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I'll just get it off my chest since this thread is about to be pruned anyway:

Drossel's design is shit. She looks like Leon, and Leon's design was shit.

Firis and Ilmeria look fine, maybe it's something about hair color - he makes some characters' hair look too 'metallic'