Elona Thread

>letting threads die
dont do this again

>>15370377
It's fine as is

Lulwy 2nd best goddess.
Yacatect best goddess.

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>>15370424
non-ero doujin when?

How do I create a monster girl harem in this game

I feel it's gotten me sidetracked with all the honest work I'm doing.

>>15370683
Why is this not on /v/ or /vg/ anyways?

>>15371061
Didnt mean to quote

however
>>15370683
Get monsters as pets and give them engagement jewelry. Then you can marry monsters

>>15371061
Not quick enough to survive on those boards. Plus if you check the 4plebs archive, you can find threads from '08*. At this point /elona/ has more of a place on /jp/ than even K-Colle. Less than 2hu but it's within the ball-park.

*https://warosu.org/jp/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=&search_subject=Elona&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_op=op&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=old&search_capcode=all&search_res=op

>Finally get around to Elona Custom, re-rolling for the full experience
>OH MAN THESE STORIES ARE SO COOL, I FINALLY HAVE MOTIVATIONS AND IT'S GREAT
>Go do the Slime quest with Fire Breath for some sweet earlygame loot
>SLIMES ARE TUNNELING THROUGH THE WALLS

DID THIS HAPPEN BEFORE?!

>party time quests
>playing music
>bunch of punks start shooting at each other as i preform
lol

>>15371500
What's so great about Elona Custom?

>>15371557
There's a large degree of tweaks and modifications, one of the most key being that it translates the full story of the game and numerous missing features that just didn't make it to the English version.

Here's a complete list of changes.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:AnnaBannana/Elona_Custom

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>m202
what is that

>>15371579
Looks like grenade launcher, lol. I guess something like Panzerfaust

>>15371579
Looks like Nemesis' rocket launcher from RE3.

>>15371731
I tried using it and burned a room.

>Reading party
Oh snap. and i thought ensemble was OP.
Even the music critics are less likely to throw stuff at me.
and raising skill potential at trainers is so cheap

elona is very easy of late.

>>15371783
Yeah.. I remember those days, in vanila elona, when I could die from ether decease (when you get the last symptom), and always starved, cause I had no money to buy something to eat, and api nuts in outside were almost always cursed, and I had no money to identify... Well, I was newb, but still, elona was tough.

>>15371957
it wasn't that bad as most mistakes ware our own lack of knowldge of the game rather than gameplay issues. ever since i reaized some food just doesn't rots (bread and candies and potatos and corn) starving stopped being an issue. curroption cure does come by to me more often those days (even if casino chips seems to be rarer) and identify does seem a lot chepaer lately tough.

Well this game sure gets a lot of great art

>>15371783
The difficulty of elona+ has decreased dramatically, yes. The initial hump remains somewhat the same, just slightly more diverse now that you have more options at hand. Depending on what you like, the real meat of the game lies in different parts. Some people consider Act 1 as the bulk of the game and see the rest like DLC content, others see Act 3 as the bulk of the game and Act 1/2 as the prologue.

>>15372208
Because there was a dedicated artist, but he's gone now. RIP.

>>15372271
Really?

I did everything in continents 1 and 2 a few years back, optional superbosses included, at a really low level (I think I was pushing 700 HP by the end) via the most stupid of tactics ("Let me put on as much armor as I can that inflicts thorn damage and then chug potions until Siva murders itself!" "Let me tame an entire army of Bells of Termination and have them distract the giant mecha so I don't get a pile driver shoved through my skull while hoarding as many resurrect scrolls as I could!" "Let me pray to god my Asura manages to stop time with that one sword and then finish off the end of continent 2 boss before time unfreezes and it uses that bullshit super heal!")

I gave up in disgust on World 3 because the gods all were giant piles of fuck you and didn't even have the decency of dropping their bullshit equipment after dying. Then they nerfed black markets and I lost interest completely.

Wish I still had the old save file, what changed since then?

>>15372352
Changes to the system made worshipping some gods easier than it was before. The changes that they had put in for travelling made leveling up more progressive, and nowadays you can pretty much progress without fighting once.

Introduction of AP system made speed gain to 800 easier than before. Effectiveness of pets and pet based builds were slightly increased and made more manageable. Artifact Fusion systems makes it so the original junk artifacts could be made useful.

Besides, Inheritance trivializes the game for the most part. Inherit a strong pet and the game is pretty much a walk in the park.

>>15372352
Wow those are definitely some ghetto tactics right there. I've seen much worse though. Like this one guy that keeps using the voting system to falsely accuse adventurers of being a werewolf just to loot their subpar gear.

>>15372514
Still don't understand the point of new game plusing or whatever its called in this game. Even if you do inherit a strong pet you'll get back to the same point of your last character faster but you just wasted all that time repeating what your former character did just to wind up stuck in the same position of former character. I guess its there if the game glitched so badly for your former character that you need to make a new one.

>>15370377
Goddamn Lulwy is fine.

>>15372619
I want to fuck her while i suck her toes.
no fetish.

>>15372609
You wouldn't understand because there was never intended to be a point. New game plusing doesn't exist for the sake of minmaxing, it's just there as an option, and people can make what they will out of it. Frankly, Elona has long been one of the most casual roguelikes out there, and Inheritance really just makes it play out as more of a turn based RPG.

With that said, there's no real reason that the descendant has to step down the same path as the predecessor. If anything, that's strictly because of the player (you).

For people who see playing games as strictly "I'm going to play one character for life", New Game Plus serves no purpose. Similarly, for people who only play a single build, New Game Plus will seem immediately redundant. For individuals who like to explore different paths, then perhaps the option will give them a different platform to start off on.

It's also slightly worthwhile to note that Inheritance is the only way you'll start off with a Maken of any respectable level early on.

Death word fucking sucks dude. I got it and didn't even have the icon so I thought I resisted it then 20 turns later bam, dead.

>>15372915
Get used to holy rain/veils. Death word is amazingly "fun" when Alkonosts decide to combine them with teleport.

>>15372973
It just blows when I get death word from an enemy outside of my range of vision while I'm fighting something else.

>>15373001
Alkonosts will do that to your entire party (and everyone else in the room) before warping away so you have no clue where they went. Then it's a "chase the warping harpy git while constantly cleansing yourself" game. But generally they're always in range for a turn regardless of who they are, it's just that generally if you have low speed they might take a couple turns before you take yours.

>>15373047
Those are the monsters who're doing it to me. I need to go to those upper level dungeons to get AP now but shit like Elemental Dragons make me run away and while I'm trying to avoid getting slaughtered, death word hits and I'm fucked.

>>15373064
Void is generally better for AP than higher level dungeons. Element Dragons aren't that much of a concern if you have a strong saboteur/debuffer. Atlases can be a bit troublesome though considering they laugh at tanks.

>>15373084
All of my allies right now are sub 70 in level because I'm still training them so I'm going into these alone.

>>15373116
Good luck then, because honestly Element Dragons and Atlases are only the tip of the iceberg.

>>15373140
I'm just going to have to put aside my own training to get them up to par. Ah boy, fun fun fun.

>>15373159
On the positive side, it's a lot more effective and quicker training up pets than it is to actually train your own character.

>>15373182
Yeah but it's a lot more fun training myself than training pets.

With them it's either take them to a suitable DL dungeon and let them loose or tag up with one of them in a high level one for some AP grinding.

When I need to train it's just find a good DL dungeon and thrash hard.

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Uh oh.

>>15373236
Hope you made a backup before you updated...In the future always make a backup before you update. Always.

>>15373270
I did, but I guess I'm not playing Custom.

>>15373222
Yeah...that's probably why. Honestly I've never had much of an issue, but then again I don't bother with dungeon training.

Does the yellow AP-gained checkmark still appear above your pet's head even if they've maxed out at 2000 AP? Or does it stop appearing even if you keep killing AP-worthy enemies?

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>>15373064
Ah those guys. Yeah I didn't like them either when I started to encounter them. They bullied the pets I was training. Pets would get hexed and give chase with me screaming to get back here so I could remove their hex before they died. Eventually I just silenced them on sight to prevent their teleport and my pet and I would jump them. Hex does 9,999 damage and it looks like that's the max for it. Shame, would of been an interesting pet but at least you know that hex loses its deadliness once you've crossed over 9,999 HP.

Don't know if you're a caster but if you are you can silence them so they won't do their bolt spells on you. Instead you'll just have to worry about their breath and claw attacks. The resistance spell should also help I think.

Atlas's were another source of pain for me but my pets especially got pounded into the dungeon floors or sent into walls. Truly a magnificent painter of red. Usually I would just tell all my pets to leave and I would solo it by kiting it. I think I also had fun with putting an atlas to sleep with the sleeping touch special action and then pickpocketing its hammer. It's damage was reduced due to having to now rely on its fists.

My trump card against most monsters in the past was just keeping a rod of change creature on hand and refilling it when charges got low. Was fun morphing atlases into putits or something less imposing.

>>15370554
Thanks for sharing this. Always interested in lore. Diagram seems to indicate that Kumiromi and Ehekatl are generally well liked among the gods. The only main hater is Mani and it seems a lot of the gods don't have nice feelings for him(Mani) either. So many red arrows pointing at him. From what I'm reading here Mani seems to think Kumiromi is a brat who doesn't talk much. He also doesn't think much of Ehekatl. Poor Ehekatl, the arrow pointing to him from her seems to indicate that she views Mani as a good warm bed. Lulwy if I'm interpreting this right thinks Opatos is annoying. Fitting that wind and earth don't get along. Jure is saying she views Mani as a scary older brother. Meanwhile Mani thinks Jure is an ambitious/treacherous witch. Harsh Mani.

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>>15374001
Mani isn't harsh, he's honest and down-to-earth, a non-nonsense say it as it is kind of guy.
My kind of guy.
My kind of God.

Praise the omni- uh, praise Mani !

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Any of you guys cheat?

How hard is it to do a little of it here and there? Especially acquiring items dishonestly?

>>15374115
Last time I cheated was 1.4x using EloSnack. If you just want items then try the map editor.

>>15374115
There's so many ways to cheat in Elona, I wouldn't even know where to start.

Simple shit like savescumming, force resetting dungeons/maps for infinite medals, or abusing moongates (although most moongate/sandbag shenanigans are already removed), playing on overdose.

Slightly more complex like downloading custom NPCs/maps, cheat engine for numerical values.

A little more complex still with elosnack.

Why do little girls spawn as vermin in hunting quests
I feel awful

>>15374115
I recommend to make a new character and cheat everything everywhere to get it out of your system.

You'll regret doing it on your main char and end up rerolling.

>>15374115
Little of it here and there? I mean you could do all sorts of shit with elosnack around. Aid packages every X levels, or editing your levels back down to 1 with stats unchanged, pretty much whatever shit you want. Elosnack is complex at first, but extremely easy to catch on, especially if you're into testing game codes and such.

No one really cares if you cheat as long as you're not stuffing it down other people's throats. If you think it helps you enjoy the game more go ahead.

>>15374222
I only want to cheat up some very select items to avoid depending in cruel and vengeful RNG gods. I don't want to abuse it I know that ruins games.

>>15374160
>There is no hunting like the hunting of lolis , and those who have hunted little girls long enough and liked it, never care for anything else. - Ernest Hemingway

>>15374229
Is there any guide for items using Elosnack? I only took a quick look but it seemed like giving yourself items requires a lot of different rows of codes.

>>15374230
The only item you have a leg to stand on with that argument is the superlure tbf
Everything else you can raise your chance to find/spawn if you know what you're doing, but the superlure is, for a gameplay changing item, really up to the rng.

>>15374241
The wiki's article on it is pretty straightforward, but if you don't know item ids, then you're going to use it combined with the in game debugger. It's possible to modify item variations based on specific addresses, and there used to be a spreadsheet floating around with the right address bits that you need to input, but it's usually not posted here on the thread. The most useful application for it is generally on jewels of nefia, but it does apply to some other items as well.

>>15374115
Only thing that I do that remotely comes close to cheating is save scumming. Aside from that, I absolutely refuse to do anything else that would drastically altar the way the game is meant to be played. Sorry to break to you but weapons and such play a small fraction in a person's overall power. Rather have a character with 500 tactics and a butter knife than a character with a fancy sword and 50 tactics. Also it's beneficial to not cheat anyhow since you'll learn more about the game and how to deal with stuff instead of just run into it with your character and hope for the best.

Can I play as a little farmer girl that goes on an adventure to find friends and have a monsterboy harem?

>>15374268
Save scumming is blatantly cheating though.

>>15374275
Yes

>>15374275
yes actually
you can:
play a farmer by selcting a farmer class at game start
play a little girl by rerooling at char creation untill your age i low enough. notice: some races have naturally lower starting ges than others- i think mutant and liches are an example of that, but im not sure.
you can get male monster as pets with monster balls and rods of domination
you can have them as monster boys by making a sprite for them and than [i]nteracting with them and changing their appearance to the sprite you have made for them
you can set words for them to say that they will use sometimes like the prince like 'ill protect you' or the bad boy 'you will never understand me' or the wild spirit 'wheee lets go there next, <player> its fun' or the shota 'onee chan, onee chan!' or whatnot

Can I play as a traveller from another world -say, from some other fantasy like setting like lotr or got?

whats a good level to beat zeome

im 24 and i still cant take him down because i cant hit the guy and he just spams heal
i cannot seem to keep him silenced by throwing pots on him

im running fairy gunner btw
also where do i grind hearts to evolve my little girl

Why do monsters keep spawning in Palmia near the room with the altars and the magic shop?

>>15374369
some npc is probably wearing cursed gear, reading books, or using rod of summoning

>>15374361
I did it at level 24 with a level 60 silver bell, not sure if you can do it as easily without a pet.

>>15374361
>whats a good level to beat zeome
Level only matters in terms of HP. What matters is the array of skills, your general stats, and how you approach his damage and heal rotations. Zeome is a stat check that needs dark resists.

>im 24 and i still cant take him down because i cant hit the guy and he just spams heal

That means you need more damage output. Either focus on getting more speed, or push your firearm skills up, or both. Or if you want to just get past the gate, get some strong pets to cheese him.

>i cannot seem to keep him silenced by throwing pots on him

Are you seriously trying to keep him contained using pots? You'd have a better chance leveling up mist of silence or something.

>also where do i grind hearts to evolve my little girl
Evolution Heart: Grind Cash.
Another Heart: Grind Cash, Pot of Fusion.
God Heart: No chance where you are right now.
King Heart: Only chance at your level is delete reloading in the storyline castle with the Chess Pieces.
Machine Heart: No chance at your level, don't remember any machine type mobs at that range either.
Magic Heart: Good luck grinding in dungeons. Pray to RNGesus

>>15374390
>grind cash
?

>>15374388
Bell + Winchester is generally a valid suppression option, considering Zeome's speed is at a pitiful 147 compared to the Bell's 652. Some people argue that dual bells to blow through Zeome is worth it so you can unlock Act 2 (and reliable monster ball/AP grinding) earlier rather than trying to slow grind through Act 1.

>>15374397
Evolution Hearts are sold in Larna (1.5m) Another Hearts are made from pot of fusion with another heart item, generally evo since evos are easy to get.

>>15374375
What a dick

>>15374407
I went through it quickly for the AP and easier herb farming through Kumiromi statues, and it's pretty worth it I think.

>>15374390
yeah but im a fairy
he kills me in 2 hits thats if he actually lands em
and being a fairy i have superb dark resist

ill try to keep an eye for mist of silence though

>>15374407
i have two bells and they get insta-gibbed if zeome actually lands a hit
(and i also think my fox boy does a little damage on them from friendly fire even though i have control magic on him)
they got nerfed in elona+ if i can recall

>>15374414
I think technically a Bell of Termination can actually solo Lesimas by itself if you monster ball inherit it back. That delicious 2k base speed.

>>15374424
The nerf has not been implemented yet. If you're using a pair of bells and it still isn't working I'd be curious about the loadout you're running on them and their own skills. The Winchester, while not essential, is extremely good for a firearm since it evokes Mist of Silence naturally, hence why it works as a stopgap suppression measure when combined with a high fire rate from the bells.

Fairies are always going to go down like paperweight. That's only going to get worse even if you do beat Zeome now. Consider that Zeome is at 147 speed tier, and a large number of monsters in Act 2 are 300+. They'll hit you like a car wreck on a freeway.

>>15374435
theyre both gunners of course
gene-engie'd in firearms and marksman
no winchester though

they can do a considerable amount of dps but zeome can still out-heal them
and eventually the fight will drag on long enough that zeome will eventually land a hit on them and kill them

i guess i just gotta level and work on getting mist of silence
not really that hard because casting aint that hard to grind for as a fairy

>>15374425
Soul spindles reduce an inherited pet's speed to 50, though.

>>15374455
But if you use a monster ball they keep their stats, and I think you can inherit monster balls.

>>15374455
Hence why I said monster ball inherit. Terminations aren't hit with the God penalty since they aren't gods, so you get the full stat package all at once.

>>15374452
Yeah, that's basically not enough dps. Gene engineer travelling onto them if you haven't already.

>>15374361
forget about silencing. play for your strengths- cast concentration and start shooting. use special ammo.

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fucking finally

i threw beer at him and he got intoxicated and drunk

and for some reason he didnt pop his heal or probably i got lucky with rng

>>15374668
he died from magic reaction.

>>15374676
i just caught that

i guess the beer messed with his spellcasting

>>15374679
Cursed Beer can inflict dim on anyone, including you if you drink it. This is what causes the spellcast fail.

>>15374668
>>15374676
>>15374679

That's kind of amazing. Anime when

>>15374717
Maybe if he scored an impregnation kill on Zeome.

So after some good honest labor of hunting vermin and then temping as a farmhand, I raised enough cash to establish myself as a respectable cargo merchant, and with that made the funds to buy 2 farms.

What's next on my master plan for economic domination?

>>15374729
Set up your first shop, then set up a shopping chain, then fill the entire map with shops.

how do i move my buildings to the next map?

>Cave is the biggest home after Palace and Small castle

Damn it I want to move my house but there's no deed of cave and palaces are still way beyond price range.

>>15374741
If you're talking about South Tyria there isn't much of a point in moving your house there. Rehmido is pretty much dead center in the map, the switch point between the two in the North is return accessible, and the house you get in South Tyria covers the southern portion. Sooner or later you'll have to return to North Tyria anyways...so yeah.

>>15374774
what do you mean?

do i get to port to landmarks of south tyris via return scrolls?

>>15374813
there is the maid mension

>>15374813
Maid Mansion is a quest unlock return point. Rehmido is a return point like Lesimas, so combine that with escape to get out the center. Then the South Tyris border is also a return point. The Ancient Garden is also a return point, but it's only really effective for a certain time span.

South Tyris is a very focused continent as far as content goes, so the amount of mandatory traveling you do from town to town isn't actually quite that much.

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Hmm, come back to this thread and it seems to be moving a bit faster than normal tonight.

>>15374037
Well he does have a cool airship. I'll give him that. I just think it's funny Mani is calling Jure a ambitious/treacherous witch when he himself deceived Lulwy to claim godhood for himself. Mani is just as ambitious.

Speaking of mortals becoming gods, I really hope one day that my character or pets can join their ranks. I'd love to have my character Kai see his little girl Yuki off as she becomes a goddess. Hopefully a kind hearted goddess that becomes a patron for new adventurers and the strongest race in Elona.

I obviously mean the Roran race. I'm glad Ano in his infinite wisdom made that race an unplayable player race unless you unlocked it. The world will tremble as Yuki bestows her god pet on her faithful. Littler Girl Valkyrie!

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>>15370554
From a previous thread:

Ehekatl
- thinks she's a cat!
- wants to play with Lulwy
- feels nostalgic towards Kumiromi
- treats Mani like a nice warm bed
- likes to get food from Jure
- equates Opatos with earthquakes
- is nervous near Itzpalt

Lulwy
- thinks she isn't wanted
- doesn't understand Ehekatl but likes to sic her on Mani
- has a love-hate relationship with Mani
- likes to tease Jure
- likes to tease Kumiromi, but gets no reaction
- thinks Opatos is annoying
- thinks Itzpalt is annyoying

Kumiromi
- views himself as a guardian
- treasures Ehekatl, his former lover
- wishes Mani would make him some farming tools
- neutral towards everyone else

Mani
- views himself as talented and normal
- is cold towards Lulwy, but afraid of her
- bad with Ehekatl
- thinks Kumiromi is a good kid
- views Jure as an obstacle to his ambition
- views Itzpalt as a rival and annoying old man
- thinks Opatos is too loud

Jure
- lacks self-confidence
- admires Itzpalt
- scared of Mani-niisan
- bad with Lulwy-neesan
- jealous of Ehekatl's "size" but can't hate her
- likes to unload her mental burdens on Kumiromi
- thinks Opatos is a pervert

Itzpalt
- views himself as a gentleman and the leader
- thinks Jure and Kumiromi are good kids
- views Opatos as his comrade-in-arms
- thinks Ehekatl is cute
- thinks Lulwy is a bitch
- thinks Mani is a brat

Opatos
- doesn't like to think about himself
- thinks everyone is his comrade, but Itzpalt most of all
- mezmerized by Ehekatl's "assets"

>>15374300
besides <player> what other tag change by circumstances are there?

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So I played this before but never got really that far (I think highest I got was the main storyline dungeon level 16)

Anyways, I just saw a picture of a level 30 with 80 attribute stats for the most part and 300 AP, and he said it was pretty shit


Are my stats really this fucking garbage? Is there any fixing this if so?

>>15375986
The best way of increasing attributes is eating herbs, so if you level by doing dungeons and stuff it wouldn't be as high. And that guy probably had a herb farm.

>>15376004
>going and killing stuff makes me weaker than eating plants
FUCK guess its time to start a herb farm

>>15376010
It's good for your skills, just not your attributes, since herbs also train every skill, so you get a good distribution of it, although learning is still my highest attribute.

Is there a way to micromanage your pets? As in I want to teach a pet a heal spell and only focus on healing?

>>15376010
An army marches on his stomach! you won't grow strong if you don't eat your vaggies.

Stores are running out of money to buy my shit

What do

>>15377514
invest. store come with more money after you invest in them. try to invest 50 if you ave the money. its also a good way to train charisma.

>>15377526
But storekeepers are dicks that have killed me with rocks before how can I invest on them

>>15377535
go to a town where shopkeepers waren't mean to you

alt, hire shopkeepers straight to your home. also get a maid if you haven't already.

>>15377550
Speaking of maids, do i get more visitors if i have more maids?

>>15377550
But I'm living in a cave

If I kill a shopkeeper is there a chance they'll get replaced by cute girls?

>>15377572
you can still get a maid in a cave

>>15377615
Is there a way to move my cave? I like my cave.

>>15377587
No, why would you think that?

anyway, if you kill shopkeeper they will respawn a few days later, only they are more likely to attack you on sight.

>>15377664
>No, why would you think that?
Because the shopkeepers are randomized at game start and I was hoping they'd randomize if they died.

Phooey.

Can you rename your race after you made your character?

>>15377732
Yes, you can rename your race using a philosopher's stone mask. However, you won't be able to gain the racial feat that comes with the race, such as the Elea's magic reaction feat or Juere's digestion feat, if you decide to rename your race to the one of the official races.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Philosopher's_stone_mask

>>15377750
he said rename not rechoose

>>15377750
Thanks. The racial feat is fine, this is just for rp reasons.

>>15377624
i think deed of removel deed does it, but am not sure.

I set up a shop, but why is my safe filling up with not only money, but a bunch of junk items as well?

>>15377805
some people trade for the items

>>15377624
Just buy a better house and you can make it look like a cave.

>>15377811
B-but I'm trying to get RID of junk, not acquire more!

>>15377835
vendors is to get rid of junk, shops are for profit.

>>15377855
But vendors are out of money

>>15377805
Why are you complaining about this? At best, you find something worthwhile that you can use. At worst, you now have additional free inventory in which you can sell. Just take the stuff out of the safe and resell it. The shop not only gives you an opportunity to make more gold than if you were to sell it to a regular vendor but also gives you an opportunity to get good equipment. It's a win win.

[Changes and additions]
* Potions that are easily obtainable in large amounts like snow and dyes will no longer increase Alchemy and Magic Device. I was wondering if it should also apply to alcohols.

[Fixes]
* Fixed some descriptions.

>>15377805
You get the same type of items from trade. Put junk up for sale, receive junk. Sell equipment, receive equipment.

This is 'turn-based' right? Like time won't move unless I move, right?

>>15378772
Correct.
Every time you move is when the world updates. Some monsters may get multiple turns in between your turns due to their speed, or you may get multiple before they get a chance to do anything if you have high speed.

This is why everybody says speed is the most important stat.

>>15378499
>Potions that are easily obtainable in large amounts like snow and dyes will no longer increase Alchemy and Magic Device. I was wondering if it should also apply to alcohols.

AoE rod spam is better. Still annoying though.

>>15375273
I think there's also <You> and <Me> (or was it <I>?). I think that's just for some units that use different pronouns in Japanese but I doubt that's gonna do you any good in English...
There was also one or two more but I can't remember.

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Anyone got advice on keeping caster pets alive, like equipment or something?

I've got an Exile as a pet and he's fine against things not too high above his level but while my Defender can contend with things much higher my Exile struggles to not get blasted.

I'm working on a just god pet party but I'm still somewhat new and have never trained a caster.

>>15379359
>>15375273

<nptc> and <npcc> or something like that. Basically it's what governs phrases like "[pet name] turns <nptc> into mince meat!"

I've finally started encountering cute monsters and have no way of capturing them.

What's the shortest route I can take to becoming able to make a monster girl harem?

>>15379427
Keep checking goods vendor for monster balls. In the mean time, you can spend some medallions on Rods of Domination (Miral and Garrok's workshop) if you really want.

>>15379432
I found (cheated) myself some monster balls because I lost the original ones, but they're too weak to capture the cute monsters.

>>15379452
That changes later on. Remember, it's the journey, not the destination!

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Lend_the_taker

>>15379452
the Goods vendors sell monster balls with higher level capacities too. Just check periodically and buy them whenever you see some.

>>15379472
Thanks.

>>15371579
https://www.google.com/search?q=M202

1970s US incendiary rocket launcher intended as a replacement for the flamethrower.

>>15372609
It's for roleplaying an edgy teen and his inexplicably hot female sidekick out for vengeance for his fallen father.

>>15379530
I thought it was for roleplaying as an apprentice alchemist who has struck windfall with her first set of deeds and found herself with a stash of crazy potions she has no clue what to do with?

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>>15379365
Was pretty nice to fish up a picture of my Exile in its infancy. Kai and his pets have come a long way. Didn't go about raising pets much later in the game but I think some of the strategies that follow might be applicable to a person earlier in the game.

Golden rule is the stuff that keeps your character alive will keep your pets alive. Give her stuff that has a decent amount of PV/DV. More importantly, have her equip stuff with lots of resists. You're probably going to have to cobble up a nice suit from the random gear you find in dungeons so keep your eyes open. It just gets that much harder when you have multiple pets to gear but it's almost required. A living weapon full of resists should do wonders as well if you can get your hands on one but not absolutely required.

When you get to South Tyris you have more options at your disposal. First, notice that the Exile's mana attribute is better than its life attribute. This means it gets more MP on level up than HP so it's MP bar is actually longer/better than its HP bar. Leold can grant your pet a trait that creates a barrier that is fueled by your MP bar. In essence, when you get damaged it goes to your MP bar instead of your HP bar first. Damage will go to your MP first until a certain threshold is met where the barrier will shut off and you take damage from your HP bar again. While I don't have this barrier for my Exile due to having some really good tanks, I'll get into this shortly, I will definitely pick up barrier soon.

Another thing you need to do for your Exile is build out its speed with AP. Pets, and characters, just do better with more speed. They get more actions so if they're strong enough they'll just kill stuff before anything can even touch them.

Having good tanks can keep your ranged pets alive. My Valkyrie served as my tank and had her learn shadowstep from Leold. When she spots an enemy she teleports instantly to it, getting its attention, and sticking to it. Since the enemies are focused on her my Exile stays relatively safe. Get a few tank pets with shadow step and you should have a nice vanguard. I currently have two now but I wouldn't mind more. While I don't have provoke on my pets that might work too.

Last thing you can do is build out its HP through giving the Exile hero cheese. I've been doing that with all my pets. Unfortunately, this is more of an endgame thing. It takes an extraordinary amount of time to be able to farm hero cheese with ease but I just wanted to point it out as a future option if you end up sticking around.

Final note, kinda related to survival, is to give your Exile equipment that enhances spells. That should boost its damage and in turn, allow you to kill things hopefully before they even touch your Exile.

>>15375273
from a previious thread

{player} player's name
{aka} player's nickname(aka)
{nptc} the NPC's name
{npcc} Player's name
{me} "I" (Japanese)
{you} "you" (Japanese)
{objective} quest:objective
{reward} quest:reward
{ref} quest:refer
{map} quest:map name
{client} quest:client name
{sex} player gender

>>15379616
Also to add to what I've said, have you been gene engineering your exile? Not only should you be doing that to have your exile learn skills he/she doesn't know but if you gene engineer higher level pets into the Exile the Exile will level up. Levels also translate into more HP.

Also, herbs help the player out in increasing attributes and they do the same for your pets too. Strength, constitution, and I think will too play a role in HP.

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This looks bad...

>>15379891
All fixable and improveable issues. Don't lose hope, anon, I believe in you!

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Finally get a bloody dog PCC working. Finally get a dog portrait. Fuck the portrait and the PCC don't match. BAKA.

>>15379891
Depends what level you are. Early on you're bound to hit some hopeless stats largely because potential pots are hard to come by and stat gain is extremely quick.

>>15380016
>next level
what

>>15380065
elosnack modification. I was more concerned with getting the sprite working properly than I was with actually playing the character.

>>15379891

that will be your life for the first 50ish levels before you have a bunch of leveled magic shops

I'm reallllly slogging getting AP for my weaker pets to get them up to speed. Is there any places/strategies you guys have for this beyond just tag up and enter a high level dungeon?

>>15380816
why not try raiding dungoens for gold medals for speed potions? collect a bunch, bless them all at once, give to pet

>>15380816
Pets get much more AP if they kill things themselves without tagging. What matters is killing blow though. Tagging is a crutch to generate initial AP for some of your speed upgrades. It is not meant to be something you do forever. Just get enough speed and have your pets kill things on their own. Yes, the initial generation of AP is the hardest part and yes it's a grind. You'll need to get used to that part. It does get easier as your pet gets stronger though.

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I played a lot back around ElonaPlus 1.20-ish and want to start again. Fortunately it seems like there was no problem loading my data to 1.58.

Last time I stopped playing because it was too difficult to train my pets and I didn't want to just dominate really strong ones, I want to raise the three I have. Is it easier to enhance my existing pets than it was before? Party (all around level 47):

(Main character) Fairy Farmer, light armor (fairy, duh), guns. Also 316 farming skill.

(Pet 1) Cat Princess, heavy armor, sword + shield melee fighter.

(Pet 2) Black-catgirl, light armor, dual-wielding melee.

(Pet 3) Dog-sister, medium armor, crossbow.

I would like to avoid doing anything gross to my allies like giving them extra arms and stuff through gene engineering. What will I need in my party to tackle 2nd/3rd continent fights? I assume magic, seems like I could start learning it myself on main character. Never been good at actually fighting, iirc I only got the item to evolve my black-catgirl by wishing Lulwy in on the boss that carried it.

>>15381280
2nd continent is a gradual progression up from the 1st that basically requires you to add more stats and resists, and that's about it, up until the last boss fight, There's a couple DPS checks along the way, but the end boss of South Tyris is generally the biggest DPS check, as her Super Regene generally must be bursted through.

Your speed isn't bad, but 100-200 range is low for Act 2, and you should probably begin to boost that up towards the 500 cap. This will make things easier as you go along. Traditionally all けもびと in general are tough to sustain, since their ini is relatively high, but their speed isn't actually high enough so they end up in a bit of an awkward spot.

It's definitely possible to have far higher stats at your current level for you and your pets, but you'll need a fair amount of herbed food to do that, and that's probably the best place to start right now, assuming you don't have any money issues. I have no clue what your dog sister really gains from worshipping Opatos by the way.

>>15381339
Thanks, so it sounds like focusing on speed is the next step, I'll try that.

> I have no clue what your dog sister really gains from worshipping Opatos by the way.

Neither do I, I haven't done much with my pets besides give them appropriate gear and drag them along with me, feeding them herbed food every now and then since I'm drowning in herbs. Who should she be worshiping? I worshiped Kumiromi until I became a better farmer than him, then switched to Ehekatl for reasons I can't remember (maybe to get the black-catgirl?)

>download a PPC pack
>all the bodies are bigger than the default size so I look like a giant compared to other people

welp there goes that.

Why is god something you coose during play and during character creation?

Whats a good way to get herb seeds in Elona+ before I get to South Tyris

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>>15381691
Yowyn harvest quests.

>>15381741
Can you get herb seeds in them? I literally have not gotten a sinle one in about 20-30~ Harvest Times

>>15381747
It might just be the higher ones but I've gotten some as rewards before.

What kinda weight are you hauling in for yours?

I just started a new character so I'm doing the most basic ones at 20s, probably it if you get them. Just started playing again after awhile. IIRC fame decides the rank of quests?

>>15381768
for
>>15381758

>>15381772
>>15381768
Yeah I do weights around 70-100s so it might be determined by the difficulty of the quest, I'm not sure.

I think it's a combination of fame and level but again I'm not sure.

>>15381892
perhaps you get better herbs for going over the limit?

>>15381907
Just did one with a 120s quota. Delivered 721.5s worth of plants and while I did get some more rewards it seems, still only 4 gem seeds.

I hate illusion hounds so bad.

Hiring adventurers to do the fighting for you really ease up the game

>>15382288
Isn't it easier to just dominate a bell?

>>15382302
in the long run yes
in the short run, i find that having a hired adventurer in my party can help me trough short chalanges

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>>15381950
Got 2 herb seeds delivering ~300s of crops on a quota of 28s. Might just be rare. Either way, having Kumiromi's artifact to regenerate herb plants when they wither is a lifesaver.

[Changes and additions]
* Reduced experience and gold gained from performing to summoned NPCs. They also no longer throw items.

>>15381280
Your INI value (1063/183) in that pic will really hurt your character development. Due to the way INI was implemented, characters created before a certain patch will suffer from this bug of abnormally high INI - that means you.

You can supposedly fix it with Elosnack: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:14432

If you don't, you're looking at much more difficult AP gains. AP is key for improving your character.

>>15382940
If you touch my fucking tickets, ano...

>>15383436
Wow if music tickets gets shafted it's pretty much back to the old days of slow grinding.

How do I gain weight?

I wanted to make her short and small but 30kg is a little much.

>>15383660
Just keep eating.

Is there a way to add more hair colors to the sprite customize thing?

>>15382940
This is fucking awful. Like literally why, performing is nerfed enough from vanilla elona

>>15383436
I don't even want to imagine such an update....

>can kill Itzpalt
>still need 350 levels to astral light pen his inner form

Off to the void I go!

>>15383918
Ano didn't want new performers to play in front of their pets to raise performing skills. Pets probably were full of shit when they told you you were the best virtuoso in all of Elona. Instead, Ano wanted newbie performers to be exposed to the harsh reality of how good they really are instead of how good they think they are. Loyter needs to be appeased afterall. Not enough blood is running in Vernis's bar.

>>15374115
I've kept my experience locked with cheat engine since I hit level 99 because I don't like player levels that hit three or more digits.
Is that cheating?

>>15384394
Technically yes, but if you're going to do it anyways does it really matter if it's cheating or not?

>>15384415
Please don't answer my rhetorical questions with rhetorical questions.

>>15384138
That's a fair change though.

>>15383429
I see, that's unfortunate. I've never used any cheat engines before and wouldn't like to start. Am I permanently screwed with that INI or is it something that will eventually balance out?

If permanently screwed, do you have any guesstimates of around where characters like mine should be at?

So how viable is just picking off a random monster like a lizardman or a cobra to get as an ally? Will I have to babysit them constantly?

What kind of ally should I be getting to aid my little girl and myself?

Why does my whoring keep getting interrupted by "I don't know that girl please spare my life" ?

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>>15384766
Babysitting is a general must early on. All pets in this game represent some level of investment that needs to be made in order to see them become "self sufficient". Just that some pets are less intensive than others, with early game bells being a fire and forget missile essentially. Outside of that, getting a God pet is one of the better bets if you don't know very well what you're doing or what you want the pet to do.

>>15384741
Without elosnacking it, yes, you are screwed. Consider that your speed INI is literally the same as Yacatect after the God penalty bonus, but your bulk INI is dramatically less.

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>>15384741
As for general speed INI values, generally you won't see early pets go too far past 120 - 130. The dog for instance is 404/110. Even a Servant (I used the Golden Knight here) is only 390/116. It isn't until you get to late game monsters that the INI values start to shoot up.

If you want to find exact values, you should look up what the base monster for each of your pets was and check stats that way to see what your INI values should be..

>>15384741
Not the anon you responded to but yes, your INI value right now is doing you no favors. INI value is fixed on character creation and it doesn't change ever. So if you have a high INI, you're stuck with a high INI for the rest of the game. AP will be slower to gain than a character with lower INI but if you're up for the challenge by all means continue.

If you were to use Elona snack or some sort of cheat engine to fix this problem I guess what you would do is make a new fairy farmer and when you get in the game write the INI values of it down. The new character's value should be the right value. Then you just use Elona snack or something. Nobody should fault you for this since you're actually using it to fix something that isn't your fault. Unlike the lamers who actually cheat.

If you want to avoid cheating of any kind or want to avoid making a mistake or something making a new character really isn't a bad idea. A lot has changed since the time you've played. You might find it refreshing to start again. Also, if you are really averse to losing your pet and items consider making a gene. Have your new character inherit your pets and some of your items.

>>15384807
>>15384854
Thanks for the help. I generated a new test fairy farmer to see what their INIT was, it's 241/120. So yeah, if that value really doesn't change then I'm right screwed.

>>15384854
Inheriting is an interesting idea, but won't I inherit my pets in their INIT-screwed state? It would fix my main character, but not the pets, wouldn't it? I think I'll just go crawling for the proper INIT values, cat goddess and dog sister shouldn't be too hard to find. Black-catgirl would have same as black cat sine evolving doesn't change INIT, if I understand correctly?

>>15384895
Init doesn't change with evolution, it's based off the lowest stats to begin with.

But the only way to inherit your current pets is via soul spindle, and that "fixes" the init problem by dropping all of your stats to 50. This arguably shafts any pet you inherit this way, considering the rest of your stats aren't all over 50. iirc the only stats exempt from this might be life/mana.

Put into perspective, a 200+ init character generally won't start gaining AP until level 80 - 100+ in the Void, so the equivalent on dungeon levels is even higher. The test team that I used for screens can take level 150+ monsters at their current level - but in any standard game, having INIT values like that essentially means you're never going see any AP gain for a very long time.

>>15384895
You can also try fooling around with soul spindles, that might be a viable alternative if you're trying to inherit.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Soul_spindle

>>15384766

initially you will be upgrading pets a lot, the little girl is okay but there is a number of unique npcs you get as pets rather quickly, isca, pascal and murder knight are better then most random shit you can recruit, after those just recruit whatever ranged pet seems tough until you are able to invest in a pet.

>>15384895
I don't really know what will happen actually to their INI value. You see, when you inherit pets they do become a bit weaker but if they really were strong to begin with this is a minor set back. Since a bunch of stuff gets recalculated it's possible their INI value may be reset back to what it should be when you make a new game and inherit them. If at all anything it might be worth a shot. If it doesn't work out it doesn't work out. Use these wiki pages for help in what you can inherit and to help you decide what's best for you.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Soul_spindle
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Marriage_and_Genes

>>15384935
I'd be wary of recruiting any of those. The only thing Isca has going for her is a relatively low speed for alright INI gains, and other than that her stats are merely passable at her level range, with absolutely no special actions or any other buffs whatsoever. She needs around 1m in cash to get her stat gain back up from hopeless if you're not going to give her stacks of potential pots.

Pascal has passable speed at 230, but the problem is that means 230 speed INI, and you end up with similar problems as to anon above, since by the time you hit Act 2 the speed cap is already at 500. Pascal at least has Boost going for him I guess.

The Murder Knight's time stop is probably his only calling card because his other stats are relatively dismal. Furthermore, he's also going to be hit by the Armor nerf being as he's from the Armor race - having 40 base life with all his defenses stacked in a bitflag doesn't help him much. Even Isca has higher constitution than him.

If you're training your pets diligently, it's not hard to come equal to any of those NPCs, and that's neglecting to mention the NPCs you can just monster ball come Act 2.

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>>15384959
Confirmed, all stats that are above 50 drop including speed, but excluding life/mana. See case in point, a Yerles Conbat Plane. You can see the original stats here (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Yerles_conbat_plane) which gives you a good idea of what the INI values were.

So how do I get a God Pet, exactly? Just sacrifice shit until my "Piety" value is at 1525 and pray?

>>15385116
Yes.

>>15384930
>>15384931
>>15384959
I went and found (or calculated, if it wasn't listed) the proper INIT values for my party.

Fairy Farmer
241/120
Cat princess
235/204
Black-catgirl
384/116
Dog-sister
235/204

I downloaded Elosnack and followed the link earlier to find the spots, but there's one thing I'm confused about:

Speed INI is at offset 792 (no problem)
But Attributes INI seems to be the sum of two different fields: offset 640, and offset 792. For example, my Fairy Farmer has 1063 attribute INIT, which is 165 (in offset 640) + 898 (in offset 792). The linked talk page said something about offset 640 being for AP adjustment, not sure what they mean.

Basically I'm not sure what combination to edit these two fields in to drop my attribute INIT to where it should be. My pets seem to have a similar split, with most of it being in offset 792, but some being in offset 640. Any ideas? If not I guess I'll just proportionally drop each of them until they add up to the proper values.

>>15385190
>Speed INI is at offset 792 (no problem)
I meant to say that speed INI is at offset 796.

>>15385190
The base INI split doesn't matter too much. If a base character is anything to go by take 20% of your base INI and put it in offset 792. The remainder goes in 640.

>>15385227
Thanks, I made a new fairy farmer and opened in Elosnack to confirm. My freshly genned char has 165 in offset 640, the exact same as my Lv.47 old character, with the remainder in offset 792.

So for attribute INI adjusting, it would seem that the proper procedure is to simply leave offset 640 entirely alone since it's already correct as-is, and make all necessary adjustments to offset 792.

Thanks all, now I don't have to abandon the characters I've spent so much time with.

What's this INI stuff mean? Mine's 328/70 but I can't make heads or tails of this convo.

>>15385285
INI is used as the basis for AP gain, and essentially can be seen as a baseline for approximating stat strength for any given monster. It's split into two separate categories, attribute and speed.

Attribute is essentially the sum of your base stats minus life/mana/speed. It's generally not that useful, given that monsters can have deceptively low Attribute INIs but still be rather effective.

Speed INI is essentially your base speed, before any improvements are taken into account. This plays a large factor in AP gain, as the higher your INI value, primarily this INI value, the harder the enemy has to be (based off of their own INI value) in order for you to gain AP from them.

>>15385285
what >>15385305 said, but also you shouldn't need to worry about it, your values look normal. This convo was about a bug where characters created pre.1.3.7 have heavily inflated INI values that ruin them. You're fine.

What do I do with the gorillion rods I get from training carpentry?

>>15385587
Save them for Itzpalt.

>>15385587
what >>15385617
is good, but if you aren't into power playing simply selling them is enough.

Say, about the Main Quest:

does it have downtime, or is it like the usual "the world is ending but we have time to do sidequests" shit that often happens in rpgs?

>>15385873
the world is not so much ending as it is going to shit in slow motion, so there's plenty of time to do sidequests. Plus the PC isn't even the main character in the main quest, so it's more like you carry on with your life, and occasionally you get a cutscene of the real main characters risking their lives.

>>15385587
you can also draw charge out of them to power other stuff. there's no upper limit in how much charge you can hold, far as I can tell.

>>15385587
I combine it with mana battery to have near infinite amount of magic missle.

>>15385873
The world isn't ending, it's changing. A large majority of the problems that occur are a byproduct of one of several changes occurring on the continent of Tyria, and partly a byproduct of a sociological change that's occurring offshore. Even if you didn't do anything, realistically the world wouldn't end, it would merely change in terms of climate (both weather wise as well as the sociopolitical climate).

Parts of the monster lore and stuff you find out in Act II all point towards the "what could have been" scenario. For the most part the main theme of the story is that if you can't keep up with the world as it changes, you're most likely going to get left behind. One of the main antagonist's storylines falls directly into this in terms of the choices he makes.

>>15385885
Ironically the "real" MCs don't risk their lives much. One of them spends most of his time relaxing in Derphy while the other pair are running around on somebody else's coattails.

>>15385923
Explain I want to be broken

>>15385967

the mana battery ether corruption gives you spell stock of whatever rod you drain, this is the only way to gain more lightning ball stock beyond scrolls of wonder or dreams

>>15385977
Oh. That's pretty crazy.

>>15385982
It is. i get spells like identify pretty easily this way. this corruption enables you to be an illiterate mage.

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It's been a really long time since I last played Elona so I think I need some advice...

I've really gotta up my PCs melee damage. Aside from raising my strength which as far as I remember was most optimally done by eating good food which is pretty slow IMO what should I focus on to get more power from my hits?

>>15386188
Boost skills that are related to whatever you're doing for melee damage. Regardless of what kind of melee character you are, tactics is one of the main skills that boosts melee damage. Weapon skill of choice mainly boosts accuracy of said weapon but also gives a small boost to damage multiplier as well. If you're a two hand wielder then the two hand skill also will boost your damage multiplier.

Try to mark one or two melee skills you want at near constant 400 potential and invest all your platinum coins into them. Keep your potentials high and grind them out. Spend AP on bonus skill points and put points into your melee skills as well.

>>15386188
get a training machine, those raise your str potential
focus on your weapons. don't just switc around to whatever has the most dice, if you have used daggers till now than the axe won't be as usefull

remember, some weapons and skills related to them aren't str based. short swords are dex, and polearms are sta.

aside from simply fighting alot, food is indeed good source for stats. meat especialy usefull for melee, but also bread.

>finally get palace
>base design is decent but begs to be improved
>can't think of a good layout for the life of me
Help

How do you unlock the 8th floor of the Chaos Cradle? I killed the nine head god but nothing changed.

Last I played CHA / 10 = number of pets you have with a hard cap. Is it the same still?

>>15387273
nah man, its been /5 for a long while now.

>>15386502
just think up you version of a palace. marble walls? cozy cobbles and a fireplace? large table in a big hall with chairs all around it? moss ridden stones with torches on the walls? red carpets and golden tappestry? you can even create illsuions of a keep by placing stairlikes floor and walls near it, like that army city from south tyris did. but firsst, you must have a vision.

each time i load the game it takees longer and longer to load. does anyone else have this issue?

does anyone have some nice little kids/shotas sprites for my pets

>>15388013
dunno, try asking cm for sprites

>>15386188
Is that a custom NPC how do I get it pls

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>>15388325
It's just Vansesda with a sprite change. Nothing really special. They're in my pic. I don't use the PCC bodys though.

I wish the artist was still active. He only made a few be he knew how to make some big titty monster girl pixel art.

>>15386251
>>15386207
Thanks

Oh man it's been years since the last time I played Elona. This game's truly one of a kind, just reading this thread makes me lose my shit.
Now if I can get past the trouble of actually getting started. I already forgot about everything.

>>15388593
Just make a character, man. If it goes bad you can nuke it and remake them with less dumb ideas.

>>15388499
I love it anon pls explain how I get it as a pet.

>>15388783
Just modify your character sheet and drop those into the user slots. There are guides for this on the wiki.

>>15388790
Can I get them as a pet? They're some kind of boss from what I'm looking at

>>15388798
It's not hard to grab a boss. By the time you get to act 3, most bosses can be Astral Light Penned, even the ones you killed in the past. They'll show up in Amur-Cage.

>>15388798
You'd use an Astral Light Pen to capture Vansesda as a pet. Normally, one would use a monster ball to capture hostile NPCs, but monster balls don't work on boss enemies.

Note that you would have to be at least half the monster's level before cloning it as a pet (in this case, Vansesda is level 180), so you would need to be at least level 90.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Astral_Light_Pen

>>15388827
You might be able to give potions of descent to the variants in Amur-Cage, which is the only thing I can think of that might work to shift the level requirement, but it's something that would need testing to actually confirm.

That and getting stacks of descent without just snacking them is ridiculously tedious.

>>15388798
>>15388827
Note that a fully evolved fire dragon child has the same sprite as Vansesda, so you'd end up with the same visual result.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Pet_Evolution#Dragon

>>15388846
Sprite wise it doesn't matter. You can give a snail the same sprite as a Five Headed God just by duping the sprite into a free slot. That said, the anon did say that this was Vansesda.

I mean it's plausible that they got to 90, ALPed, then used potions of descent to drop themselves down to level 77 or something. I don't remember what limitations the ALP in early versions actually had.

>My char weighs 19kg

Jesus how do I give her some twinkies or something.

>>15389132
Your character gets hungry as time goes on so just eat stuff. You'll gain weight slowly. Just don't vomit up stuff as that causes you to lose weight.

>>15389132
Are you a fairy?

>>15389170
>Just don't vomit up stuff as that causes you to lose weight.
Well eating in this game is a russian roulette of cursed food so....

>>15389175
You need to identify your stuff before you eat them anon. Another thing you can do is make holy water and bless your food if they're cursed. The blessing overrides curse. Can also just buy food from the baker.

>>15389175
Drop your food on the ground next to a pet, let pet stand on top. If pet doesn't eat food, it's cursed. If pet starts to eat, it's fine. Shove them off and eat it. Make a horse farm or something if you're in need of food that badly.

>>15389258
Why do I need a horse farm?
You want me to eat horse?

>>15389267
Horses are generally easy to come by, they have rather high breed power, and in comparison to other mobs in a similar situation, they raise constitution (in comparison to the putit raising charisma).

>>15388662
Hah, you are right I'm having absolutely no issues getting started now compared to back then. Guess I used to be a total retard, and the game's just as fun as I remembered it too.

Do Asura make good pets? I tossed a ball at it on a whim and captured it.

And is there a better (cuter) sprite of one?

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At one point I heard that the level cap was 6,666 and awhile ago I heard the level cap was at 10,000. I'm now guessing that both might be correct in a way. Now that I've crossed level 6,666 around the 860 hour mark of gameplay, I'm viewing level 6,666 as a soft cap. After level 6,666 it becomes very hard to level. The summoning of high level spirits to kill them is no longer working for me. Highest exp I get from killing things is around 500 exp while the average hovers around 200. Spamming spells from what I can tell at this moment might be a faster way to gain exp than seeking out monsters to kill. 10,000 might be the hard cap? At any rate, either a level 1053 summon spirit spell isn't enough anymore or the gravy train of level ups is over at 6,666. Still, that was a fantastic run while it lasted. Now another grind quest begins as I cap out my AP and just finish off the skills relevant to my build. Then I can turn my full attention to my pet army.

>>15390347
They can make for good multihanded dual wielding pets. Like any pet though, you have to invest heavily into it to make it shine though.

Visit the Elona uploader or Pixiv for Elona Sprites. Here's the link for the uploader. Maybe you'll find an asura sprite you can use.

http://www.elonaup.x0.com/sozai/index.htm

>>15390565
Is there a way to search the uploader? Because going page by page is gonna take a while.

>>15390565

How do you have 70 INI in speed but 2000 base

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Is there a way to make pets ride other pets? I just got an R cleaner and I want my little girl to ride it.

>>15390618
INI never changes after initial generation, hence why the God races for generation are seen as another beginner`s trap. You can increase your speed however much after initial generation and it won`t shift your speed INI.

>>15390618
>>15390771
What he said. I used speed upper potions, herbs, and Hermes blood to get my speed to 2000. These days you can even use AP to get up to 800 and then do the above mentioned to get your speed to 2000. I have a bit over 2000 speed actually through equipment. Combined with the feat kokou and with a high swimming skill, my speed can get as high as 2400ish if I'm in a dungeon with water or if its raining.

>>15390580
Don't know and you're certainly not the first to ask. I've paged through each page myself and had fun doing so. Mainly because the sprites themselves sometimes gives me ideas for pets.

>>15390802
Think I may have the speed feats too. Well, I should say I know I do considering I have all the feats in the game through enough miromi wishing.

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>>15390802

Well I figured if I'm gonna waste that much time I'd edit one myself and I did, but thanks.

I was in the wild and saw a goblin drinking a potion of mutation and becomes an orc. can i do that with pets as well? will my cat keep its stats and skills or reset them to ones depending on its new race?

>>15390868
Test it and report, anon!

>>15390888
but i love my cat
>buy new slaves at derphy
but i also want to know what heppens to trained stats

oh well. in the name of science? i guess? worst case scenerio ill have something to give to womenizer in port kapul.

>>15390897
Well you could save, scum.

>>15390898
I don't save scum. cheating ruins the fun in games.
the only time i save scummed in the current char was when i did a hunting quest. i succeded first try, but the game crashed, i returned to the begning of the quest but this time i failed... i resseted because since i felt like i deserved that win.

>>15390912
It's not really cheating if you just want to figure out some mechanics, but suit yourself.

>>15390914
part of the fun in elona is trying out new things

>>15390888
the cat just resisted it

i throw another on a nearby npc, it turned to a goblin.
guess thats that.

>>15390565
the next frontier is Wishes.

1 Wish = 1 pt in any stat or skill / 1 level (via potion of descent).

With maxxed out Memorization you can probably get ~2200 stock per book of Wish, which is 70~80 wishes per book. this is probably the fastest method.

>bubble storm reveals invisible creatures
JACKPOT

>>15390920
I wish I could be you
I savescum constantly and feel bad every time and I know it ruins the fun

But then I have the other thought that I'd not have fun if I was a shitter and couldnt kill things, and noticed when I die I lose stats or some shit. Along with items.

fuck

>>15391021
embrace the loss of stats, because its part of the panelty for screwing up. if there is no fear of failure, there is also less sense of achievment on success.

>>15391026
I think the issue lies with the fact how many "hidden" things there are with Elona now that I think about it.

I'm not a fan of dying often because I didnt raise my character doing this this and this, while feeding pets this with a fully decked out herb farm or whatnot

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>>15390967
It definitely is starting to look that way. Since I've used wonder scrolls to stock summon spirit and meteor its nice that I don't really have to change a thing to what I'm doing as wonder scrolls provide stock for wish as well.

It also makes sense from a roleplaying sense too I gues. Started the game as a Eulderna that could barely hold his own against a Kobold. Through relentless skill grind, special diets, and potions my character was slowly sculpted into a super human. Through the wielding of powerful magics that could level whole cities and manipulate spirits my character tapped into the power of the gods. Now that my character has godlike power he will go on to bend reality to his will(wish) to further transcend his current state.

>>15391061
im not power playing either, im just very carefull
im not shying about backing off hunting quest if its too much from me, and i always keep a scroll of escape handy. high speed frm worshipping lulwy also helps.

is there a way to add custom sprites besides editing character.bmp? it only has 4 custom spaces without having to overwrite something else

>>15391082
For the monsters you generally encounter you will want to edit character.bmp. If you're just talking about editing your character's sprite or pet's sprite you don't need to edit character.bmp. There's more info about pet sprites and player sprites on the wiki and how to go about adding your own custom sprites for them.

>>15390848
Man i really like how she turned out. Being too lazy to crawl through elona uploads was for the best

>>15391242
Wheres the best place to find shit for elona? the character packs in the OP are too big

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>>15391292
http://www.videogamesprites.net/
http://www.spriters-resource.com/
http://spritedatabase.net/
http://www.spriters-resource.com/pc_computer/

XD

>Grind gold from party time quests
>Grind nagotaiton with the silver
>Buy evolution heart
>Evolve young lady
>She throws high potions at everything
stats and sprites can be changed in more ways, but THIS... is pure bliss.

>>15391602
also, i genengineered alchemy into her.

Should I bother getting Nurses are pets since they focus on healing? I really want a balanced party instead of going gung-ho on everything.

Another question about pets:
If they're a shopkeeper does it count in the 15 pet limit?

>>15391665
Get the Android or any other metal/armour pet -> use the custom AI to teach it all the heal and buffing spells. Now you have a robot healing maid.

>>15391684
Yes.

>>15390848
>mfw my asura waifu throws fuckhuge BOULDERS at shit

Whoa. Shit's so heavy though, should I give her a gun or bow or something?

>>15391852
Get her a balista man.
>Maximum pawnage
or just give her weight lifting.

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>Find a cursed spear
>'it causes random teleportation'
>give it to the black angel

>>15391876
How?

>>15391902
with gene engineering. in elona+ weight lifting is class skill for warriors, so a simple trip to the slave trader is enough.

Do you guys nickname your pets?
What names did you use?

I want to see a high level party. Give me a rundown of why you chose the pets you did and what your pets do. How big is your party and how big is too big? What's the strongest thing your party has killed?

Been a long time since I played this, and I can't remember what I was doing with my character when I left off. As a quick refresher, is magic still the major go-to for eventual overwhelming damage dealing, or did melee (martial arts in particular) ever get buffs to close the gap?

>>15392806
I've seen the traditional melee types, two hand and dual wield, reach the damage I've seen with magic. Martial arts though is a wild card. Tons of wannabe Kenshiro faggots that want to be cool without going through the grind have brought shame to Hakuto Shinken and never got anywhere meaningful for anyone to really judge how good martial arts is.

>>15392806
>is magic still the major go-to for eventual overwhelming damage dealing, or did melee (martial arts in particular) ever get buffs to close the gap?
magic has never ever been the major damage dealer at any stage of the game, elona+ only made it viable lategame

>>15392918
That is so wrong I don't even know where to start. Unless you're talking about vanilla Elona instead of Elona+.

>>15392806

Melee is a joke and pretty much always will be a joke in Elona.

The devs never let it occur to them to divide damage between the hand slots so lesser armed characters have a reason to exist

As the PC, Enemy units take advantage and abuse the fact that it's super difficult to raise your multipliers and thusly make it very unviable to you mid game else you'll get fucking brutalized when you want to try taking on some high HP and PV/DV dipshit like Siva

Late game is a point where it starts evening out because the damage across everything gets pretty big so the returns don't matter as much, however the path to it is in no way worth just "evening"

Literally just make a mage and stick with it.

Seriously how do I become powerful in this game. I can't so magic unless it's with rods and i don't know how to beef up my potential and all I'm doing is labor in every city and cargo runs, making money.

>>15394235
Just play out the game normally, it all comes with good time.

What's the good place to get PC sprites and portraits?
I want to make a farmer loli.

>>15394235
to beef up potential
1. gene engineer cooking into one of your pets (you get it from priests, go to the slave trader- the nurse isn't a priest, but one of the wizards actually is; don't remember which one). now each time you wake up between dawn and noon yo will have nutrious food waiting for you.

2. Don't eat herbs. instead, get cooking, farming and pot of fusion. use pot of fusion to herb-in food. That you eat. (also, get a farm and plant herb seeds.)

3. use training machine. ok, it only raise strength potential and you can only use one every couple of days, but its still better than nothing.


4. you know what? screw it.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Potential#Attribute_Experience


>I can't so magic unless it's with rods
do you lack casting and/or lirarcy or something, or its just that you are heavy armored/shield/dual wielding down your chances? or is it just lack of books?

>>15394382
>do you lack casting and/or lirarcy or something, or its just that you are heavy armored/shield/dual wielding down your chances? or is it just lack of books?

I think it's more that I don't get how it works. I have a bunch of dream-learned spells and a bunch of books i've found and I THINK I have charges for some spells but I don't think I've pulled off a single one successfully. I don't know if it's just because low skill or because I'm missing something important, but failing to cast does raise my proficiency in each spell at least, until I miscalculate and die.

>>15394402
alright first off:
1.do you have the 'casting' skill?
2. if your total equipment (what you actually equip) weight is more than 15s it gets in yourr casting. if its more than 35s it REALLY gets in your casting. you can see the weight at the bottom when pressin 'w'.
3. if you dual wield or use a shield it also lowers your chance.

>>15394485
>2. if your total equipment (what you actually equip) weight is more than 15s it gets in yourr casting. if its more than 35s it REALLY gets in your casting. you can see the weight at the bottom when pressin 'w'.

Huh, had no idea. Thanks, I'll see if that helps.

>>15394342
Open wide, here comes the spoon!

>>15390565

It took me a long time to figure out that instead of saving a full-size image and resizing and cropping it to 80x112 I can just save the thumbnail and crop it.

>>15392858

How far is meaningful? After a long Elona break I kinda want to try it. I used Two Hand before I stopped. I never got too far though, I couldn't beat any gods and just ended up going as far as I could in the last continent. I got discouraged since the Pile Bunker was my only viable damage dealing option later on.

First time playing Elona after a 2 year break. Is it supposed to freeze every now and then? I don't remember it happening before but I get it frequently, like going to a new town and stuff but going in it a second time it's fine.
Maybe it's just my laptop, it's almost 9 years old.

>>15394671
In my opinion meaningful is being capable of beating the doggods down with your fists

>>15394671
There's no telling since they haven't posted their stat sheets. Many were probably discouraged by low level martial arts' skills utter awfulness for damage. It takes a particular devotion to stick with 2dX, where X starts at 5 and increases every 8 skill levels.

>>15394698
Freezing as in crashing, or freezing as in the game pauses for a moment then continues running as usual?

>>15394698

I get it too. I'm running E+ Custom 1.58.2.

>>15394714
Freezing and starts up after a minute or two.
Sometimes it even lags but not often.

>>15394715
Same. Not sure if it's that or something else.
I did find a tmp folder with files dated on the day I started. Maybe it's caching stuff to make it easier to load after? Not really sure.

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>>15394710
>>15394714

Well, I'll give it a try. I can use my last character to remind me of the mistakes I made and try not to repeat them.

>>15394718
It might be the save system. Elona isn't particularly good at managing saving and loading, and it saves the game every time you enter a town or dungeon (or if a few specific random events occur).

>>15394729
Well, it was after entering a town I was walking around and it started freezing and slowing down.

>>15394736
try quiting the game and reloading.

>>15394752
Yeah, after that it's fine.
I was just wondering if it's supposed to happen or if it has anything to do with the tmp folder.

>>15394724
Interesting comparing your character to Kai's above, and you have 3593 turns per hour and he has 2295. It's the same as looking at people in DCSS who can finish games in a few hours where I can't perform even half as fast.

>>15394764

Yeah, I was never very interested in Herb stuff or range or training pets or anything. Doing things solo makes things a bit harder later on.

If you make a geneseed, does your gene inherit your total playtime? I think I saw a low level with like 100 hours like ten threads back.
I want to make a new character with a ton of potions of potential, and herbs, and gems for money. Also probably a bell of termination in a monster ball. Anyone has some extra stuff that I should get?
My current character has just entered lost irva at 130 hours, but I save scummed and I feel guilty, so I wanna make a new one.

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>>15394816
You do inherit total playtime.

Speaking of Martial Arts, getting the Shield Tonfa early seems like a good idea. Also I can't believe how easy it is to level this stuff with the Gauge Release.

Who Elona shooter
here?

i want to be a wall
can you duel wield shields?
how good is shield bash trait?

Can you monster ball your own pet?

>>15394900
>tasty
>wife sound
how many rerolls for this praticular alaias?

>>15395186
>>>/vp/

>>15394987
>can you duel wield shields?
yes
>how good is shield bash trait?
stunning is nice not much damage but walls don't go for damage anyway.

if you want to be an effective wall, instead of dual wielding shields get a helbeard weapon. such weapons raise your def and train your stamine same way normal weapons train your strength. also get blood sucking equipment, to train your healing.

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>>15394982
Playing in casual mode since I can't get past day 11, even with savescumming.

How many medals you've got, anon?

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>start new character
>want to make mage because never did it proper except for utility spells like hero and teleports
>Red hair Whore shows up in alias
>can't change my own sprite to custom one to play as sorceress

When going wizard, should I just be shotgunning all my bonus points into magic casting?

>>15395609
i'd keep points to train bullshit skills like control magic/early performer but mostly keep them to raise potential when shit starts asking 10 plats a pop

found an adventurer with shield of thorn but i have absolutely no way to kill him now, what do?

>>15395636
potion of sleep + pickpocket
make sure to teleport units around away
alt, trade the shied for your stash of cure curruption pots
alt, just ignore him for now. his shield isn't going anywhere, informer in town will tell you where he is if you ask. come after him when you think you can kill/bribe him.

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>>15395712
>potion of sleep + pickpocket
>pickpocketing precious items

>>15395596
>>15395723
summerfags plz go.

>>15395723
precious items can't be pickpocketed? didn't know that. got source?

>>15395736
its up there in the pickpocket page.

>>15395736
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Artifacts
>You cannot Pickpocket a unique artifact - any attempt to do so will always fail.

>>15395744
>>15395746
well he can still go after the adventurer at later time, like after getting panzer or a bomb
or just go straight after Mary the insect master.

>>15395636
Hire a stronger adventurer
Optional: get a Duel Glove to avoid the karma loss
Attack adventurer with shield
Let your hired help tank the damage while you take potshots from a distance and toss debuffs on it
Shield is yours. Problem is the adventurer you just killed will most likely be pissed and come crashing through town everytime they see you. On the positive side, they'll have shit gear since you stole all theirs, so fighting them will be much less painful.

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>delivery quest
>go to destination
>target npc assassinated by unseen hand as soon i enter

>>15395768
first time i had a debunk with adventurer i died, but managed to get my dropped items back
second time with her i ran away
third time incognito, she didn't chase me again. i hired her and we went questing and we short of buddies now. (ok only amiable)

How high does my strength needs to be so i can 'b'ash up walls?

>>15395806
You don't bash walls, you Dig them. Your Mining skill determines success with that.
You can Bash doors to break them, however this comes with a chance of damaging your stats so it's not really worth it.

>>15395596
You can though.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8vqS2HUgZuxOE9lYVg4aEFTQnM

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8vqS2HUgZuxVVNwN2FkUXM3TzQ

One of these files has over 300 PCC files with which you can customize your character. IIRC I saved my PCC file along with my save file in the ElonaPlusSaveCurrentTo1.55 file but I'm not sure. I'd give you the PCC file directly but my computer is...fucked.

ElonaSprites is my collection of what I saved from the uploader from up to 6-8 months ago. It might actually be larger than my save file. L

>>15395863
>You don't bash walls

>tfw none of these niggas know you can break down titanium walls just by charging them.

is there any point in raising armor related skills?

So, me again, the guy that lags when entering a city.
It keeps happening on the first town and even if I quit and reset it still lags. But after it's done lagging and I save then restart it's fixed.
Anyone else getting this? It's literally in the first town after getting your first pet.

>>15396123
try resetting the town or something. perhaps some npc in town lags it. an item in its inventory or something.