エロゲスレ/Untranslated VN General

>>15091160
Thoughts on OP pic's VN?

>>15091154
Can't wait for another pissdrinkge. Maybe he will manage to make MC even more pathetic and despisable than Dora.

Please give me your impressions of Koi de wa Naku because I am too lazy and insecure to read something without prior receiving approval from anonymous strangers.

I think Akeiro has a clear tonal shift from the first game, probably due to the author gaining more confidence in both the scenario and those who liked the games. This is a shift away from the sex-crazed, overall plot-light tone of the first and into a more serious and focused mystery/horror game.

The most obvious depature is that, despite all the characters being ABSOLUTE semen demons, there's no early sex scene, and indeed there's no rampant sex in the common route like there was in Nanairo. It seems like the author was confident that fans of the first playing the second wouldn't need that sort of "trick" to keep them hooked. For most of the common route, you could generally expect an H scene every hour so of reading. In Akeiro, there's none of that - sex is saved for the character routes.

The pace of Nanairo's common route was defined by fucking onis, thereby producing more onis to move the story forward through character exposition and exploring new powers. This however lead to the majority of the game being "non-serious" and plot light for most of it - Aoi used her powers to find a kid shining lazers in drivers eyes, Iris telecommunicated with a masochist fat old man joke character, etc. Though this isn't to say Nanairo's plot is minor - the overarching mystery begins fairly early on, and most activities tend to relate to it in some way or another, so story and new information regarding it is coming to light all the time. It's interesting, and a good plot game.

The way Akeiro approaches it's pacing, however, is far superior in my opinion. Rather than fucking onis, the common route is paced via the explorations of the school's 七不思議. Rather than H-scenes, one is treated with a horror CG at regular intervals. Honestly, the ero in these games is good, but having the route paced by these horrors CGs is fantastic for the story. It's really easy to get in the horror mood, while playing this I felt just like I did when playing Corpse Party - uneasy and vulnerable. Tense. Were I constantly fucking girls, the morose story and the ambiance it creates would shatter. The decision to focus on plot-relevant "ghost stories", school legends, etc rather than sex makes Akeiro feel much more like a solid story rather than a nukige with a competent, but somewhat superfluous plot.

I honestly think Akeiro is plain better VN than Nanairo, at least from the perspective of how the common route is approached. I am pleased with the growth this series underwent. If someone asks about horror VNs, I'll actually recommend this one without hesitation- it's a damn good horror game by it's own rights.


後書き - The common route still has a good deal of comedy SOL interweaving the investigations, it's not grimdark constantly, not at all. It's a funny game with light-hearted protagonists. I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression - it's a horror game, but it's still moe, and the moe somewhat outweighs the spooks in screentime.

>>15091514
It was shit.

>>15091514
No. No discussion of VN's allowed in this thread.

>>15091514
https://tanoshimi.xyz/2016/02/14/恋ではなく-thoughts/

>>15091618
>We tend to think we are the ones who shape love, but it’s actually quite the opposite. We become slaves of love without even realizing it.
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>We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us; we are their creatures, shaped by their hard, defining edges.

>>15091543
Maybe I'm numb to this stuff but I didn't find it all that spooky when I read the trial and was disappointed by the lack of jump scares.

>>15091638
Yeah, posts on Tanoshimi are like this. Nonetheless you can get some info about the game in question.

>>15091618
>>15091658
Any other good sites I should know about for VN impressions/reviews?

>>15091665
http://advgamer.blog.fc2.com/

>>15091665
EGS can have detailed reviews, or just Google.

>>15091618
>>15091658
>>15091665
Please stop advertising your shitty site and discuss visual novels.

>>15091666
>advgamer

What a hero, he gave D (凡作) to Sakura no Uta.

>>15091665
just search the name of the VN in warosu

>>15091658
I'm not sure if you noticed, but the second quote was from Gene Wolfe not the blog, is that what you were commenting on?

>>15091683
No, I was commention on what kind of writing posts on Tanoshimi tend to have.

Of course I don't remember every line from every blogpost and I'm not familiar with Gene Wolfe, so the second quote seemed like it could be Tanoshimi.

>>15091693
I was trying to show that his point was strong enough to reflect the wisdom of gene wolfe, looks like we have different interpretations...

>>15090567
I don't like traditional Japanese and I don't like Amairo

What now?

>>15091693
They write like whoever posts on them. Anyone here could post there too if they showed moogy the eroge review they have written. Ineffably, some of its writers are actual writers.

>>15091710
I haven't read Amairo, not a fan of yuzusoft

>>15091618
Ok ok we know you majored in creative writing, we get it already.

>>15091514
It’s not kusoge，but so where near.

>>15091653
Jump scares are the worst. Not sure why you would want them. The intense feeling of approaching the dead and seeing their malformed gorey visage is much more powerful and memorable moment than having a BOOOOO face pop up and scream in your face.

>>15091779
At least MLA did it well and had enough lasting effect to make the next arc miserable (in a good way) to read. I agree outside of that particular instance though.

>>15091792
CHOMP wasn't a jumpscare, they slowly panned up to it

>>15091804
Oh so like a literal just random sudden CG with scream or whatever with no buildup or anything? Chomp too slow to be considered one? Then yeah I agree.

>>15091817
Well I mean jumpscares are characterized by being sudden and fucking loud, so yeah I don't think a slow pan with no scream would be considered one. Maybe I misunderstood him though.

>>15091618
>>15091638
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>>15091716
Really, fuck off. All of you.

>>15091892
What do you have against Gene Wolfe? He's pretty good.

>>15091720
I meant akeiro, but don't you like Dracuriot?

>>15091906
Haven't played that yuzu in particular, but I stay away from the brand in general.

>>15091779
If the art was up to par sure maybe that would be enough.

>>15091942
I think the art in Akeiro is more than up to the task. Especially the creep visual effects

>>15091817
I think build up of suspense is very important for a jump scare to be effective, like you know something is coming yet it still manages to catch you off guard.
>>15091779
Felt like wasted chances to put in good jump scares to me. For instance, in one scene in Akeiro where you come across the ghost chick after leaving the library with your buddies, they show her from afar, and her face was obscured, she disappears, camera gets rid of text box and whatnot, slowly pans behind you, nothing there, pans some more, she's there, in her moe girl form with no dramatic music, you and your buddies run from her. Wow, so scary. And when you do see her "scary visage" it's fucking nothing.

There was an anon who was asking if vanadis gone bankrupt or not a while ago, Seems like they didn't; http://www.vanadis-soft.com/slime_bu/

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>>15091804
I would consider CHOMP a jump scare. The panning was for a build up of suspense. They slowly panned up to her neck and stopped there to leave you to guess what happened to Marimo before quickly cutting right to an image of her gruesome fate accompanied with an effective use of sound effects. Really well done I must say.

Muv-Luv looks really interesting, is there an order or is Alternative just a better Muv-Luv? It apparently has a lot of spin-off too.

Also the fact that it takes place in a universe with Mechas kinda scares me, is it really hard to read?

>>15092363
Friend you're supposed to read it in order.

Extra -> Unlimited > Alternative.

Extra and Unlimited are together in the original Muv-Luv, Alternative is a separate release.

>>15092363
>It apparently has a lot of spin-off too.
The real question is, Are any of them good?

>>15092363
You're supposed to read them in order, but Extra is shit and Unlimited isn't a whole lot better. Even Alternative isn't all that great unless you're easily impressed by special effects. I'd honestly just skip it unless you really have nothing good left to read. And given that you're talking about reading difficulty, that's probably not the case.

>>15092363
Man, Muv Luv was so bad...

>>15091928
Any reason why you stay away I only played Dracula riot so I can't really say any thing about the products by them are they bad?

>>15092363
You have to read Extra and unlimited for Alternative to have any real effect on you as they get you attached to the characters themselves (Or are meant to at least). Alternative is a really boring read if you aren't attached or at least like the majority of the cast

>>15092404
>Are any of them good?
Only The Day After.

>>15092420
Depends on what you're looking for. I personally enjoy their stuff but if you're looking for heavy drama or plot the've got nothing to offer to you.

>>15091543
I agree with you. Nanairo has its own merits and I enjoyed it a lot but Akeiro went in a different direction that builds upon what Nanairo did right and expands on it.

With that said, melting faces need to go. The art is by no means bad but some designs could use work.

>>15092432
Honestly Extra was bad enough that Unlimited did better at getting me attached to the characters. Lack of Sumika in it means I never really gave a fuck about her which unfortunately reduced the impact of some parts of the story.

>>15092532
Extra did a great job of making me loathe Sumika.

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What /jp/ opinion about the incoming Eushully game?
Do you looking forward for it?

>>15092587
Isn't that the one with 6 protagonists? I'll be impressed if it doesn't turn out to be complete shit character wise

>>15092587
It's going to be shit when it comes to heroines as per usual so I can't say I give a fuck.

>>15092587
When was the last time Eushully made a good game?

>>15092627
They never did.

>>15092640
Oh snap.

>>15092587
6 protagonists is definitely a turn off for me and I really dont think they'll be able to handle / do something great with it.

Most likely it will just a mess and a bunch of everything, you'll rape with one protagonist while you'll get raped with other one, one'll have kind of pure love etc etc.

>>15091755
けっく

Why is Eushully so fucking bad? Boring games, shitty porn and absolutely God Awful characters and plot.

>>15091543
>really easy to get in the horror mood
>felt uneasy and vulnerable
>a damn good horror game by it's own rights
Really? I think the exact opposite. For me, the story and the ghosts weren't scary, just silly. There was no sense of urgency. There were some creepy CGs but that's it. I don't think this is a horror game.

>>15092677
>Really?
Really.

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Now this is something. I can imagine the lines for the trial stations.

>>15092587
I'm going to wait for reviews for this one, Eushully has been rather disappointing lately. Kind of reminding me of when Alicesoft went into a slump

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Now this made me happy since I really loved Serizawa, but after finished every route I noticed they never explained how she survived unless I'm missing something. My theory to how she survived is the one instance where she asked Kanryuu for some of her knowledge (and as we know Kanryuu has a 依り代 that prevents death only once, and it's never mentioned if she only has one or what conditions it activates on so it's a bit up in air), but it never revealed what she asked of Kanryuu unless I'm forgetting something.

>>15092677
I'm not scared in the sense that I don't have high panic levels or feel the urge to scream, I'm just in the mood of the story and feel uneasy. Like I said, its like playing corpse party. It feels like Ayako (I forget her name exactly) could pop out at any moment and attack, especially when in the other world. A real malignant force to be reckon'd with. The best comparison I can give is: some people read moege and feel comfy, others read them and get bored. It stands to reason that some people such as myself would read Akeiro and feel uneasy, while others would read it and find it silly. Such is all horror really. Though perhaps horror actually is a too strong word. Too bad "spooky" just conjures up images of skeletons.

But like I said, the moe outweighs the horror for sure. It's given more screen time and probably more marketing. It's just that the horror is no slouch and is given a proper degree of focus in the common route, as opposed to Nanairo's sex-focused narrative.

>>15092404
Chicken Divers is the only one I'd consider good. The other short stories are okay and are short enough that they don't really drag on very long.
TDA is pretty mediocre, and on an indefinite hiatus. The idea started out fine, but it got worse and worse with each chapter with only the chapter they actually introduced the main cast being superior to the one before it.
Some of the other stuff is okay like the CG parody if you like age's style of referential humor but that's about it.
TE was so shit it turned me from being a huge fan to wanting nothing to do with age until they stop rehashing the same thing with new coat of paint over and over.

Warinaki is a pretty decent music themed countryside chara/moege but it's relation to the rest is only really brought up in one ending, the true ending, and materials that came after the fact.

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Guhahaha, look at this. One of the most popular eroge reviewers on Reddit, has countless reviews on his blog and this is what he says.

>I wanted to read kanishino next, but it seems that I can’t reliably hook it. Due to this, I’m left without a work to play.

>>15093575
It's your own fault for venturing into Ribbit, idiot.

>>15093575
Moogy is the only one we can trust

>>15093575
Can EOPs and JOPs just get along and discuss about VNs? What's so funny about a person who can't read Japanese anyways?

>>15093884
>What's so funny about a person who can't read Japanese anyways?
That he reviews Japanese novels I imagine

>>15092677
>For me, the story and the ghosts weren't scary, just silly. There was no sense of urgency. There were some creepy CGs but that's it. I don't think this is a horror game.
I feel the same way. Nanairo's cut up bodies, while not that horrifying or surprising either at least gave me some sort of tension due to serial killer feeling like more of a real threat and him having cut up one of the major characters while none of Akeiro's exaggerated magical bloody scenes so far have made me even flinch. It feels more like fantasy with gore rather than horror, though Nanairo is even less of a horror game.

If I had to pick one game to compare Akeiro to it would be the first Leyline due to both having mostly separate but tangentially connected magical mysteries which the protagonist's group investigates, plus the existence of separate magical worlds though the huge difference in mood obviously makes both games quite different reads. Leyline only got really good at the second game so I'm also giving Akeiro a chance to see if the later routes are better.

>>15093372
and what about schwarzesmarken

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Finished 見上げてごらん.
The common and ひかり routes are hands down the best moege I've read so far. The pacing, the character interactions and the atmosphere are all really nice.
沙夜 route was kind of disappointing and the other 2 just feel like they were quickly written for the sake of having 2 more routes though.

Playing Tokyo Necro now.
Finished Iriya and Echika routes so far and I'm very pleased with them.
Really like how the setting is used and the whole exbrain thing is pretty interesting.
I didn't pick it up before because the 3D battles seemed awful but I'm glad I gave it another shot.

Anyway, it's not Muramasa but I think that anyone who enjoyed any Nitro+ game should give it a fair chance.

>>15094036
Never played a Nitro+ game before maybe this VN is a good start.

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holy kek, this "NG+" is killing me. how in the world do you even come up with this shit?

eroge in general are notorious for their "epick twists", but the ones in elf's games really take the cake.

>>15094036
>the other 2 just feel like they were quickly written for the sake of having 2 more routes though.
Welcome to pulltop games.

>>15094143
This was my first one so I couldn't know.
Do you know which route is the good one in この大空に、翼をひろげて?

>>15094173
小鳥, hope you like cute crippled girls.

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>>15092627
>>15092640
But, VERITA is not that bad.

>>15094128
What happened here? I don't think I'll ever read it based on the premise. Spoil me.

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>>15094198
Shuusaku spends a good chunk of the game looking at the screen and talking to the player. All H-scenes also have an option to be in 1st or 3rd person.

And in the final route...

The player ends up in the game world with Shuusaku watching him from behind the screen. It's very meta.

>>15094305
I wish elf was still alive ;_;

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>>15094325
Well it's not. They brought it upon themselves.

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>>15094198
This will sound very bizarre if you didn't see all the foreshadowing, but I'm too lazy to write about that. In any case, after the fourth wall is completely broken in the game's finale if you met certain conditions, you restart the game from the beginning, but now it's you, yes you, the player, who is the protagonist, with Shuusaku himself this time messing around with your actions "behind the screen" and only one person, the "main heroine", being roughly aware of what happened in the "first run" (e. g. the sexual enslavement of all other heroines). This is also why you were asked to put your name in during the first start-up of the game (IIRC MGS5 copied this).

>>15094179
Why would you manually crop a screenshot of a game that has a built-in screenshot function?

>>15094036
>The common and ひかり routes are hands down the best moege I've read so far. The pacing, the character interactions and the atmosphere are all really nice.
Agreed.

The only other game that came close for me is Daitoshokan.

>>15094347
Doten Meikai's games are completely in the spirit of Hiruta's later titles, which is not surprising given his probable identity. If they weren't successful in Japan, I don't see anything else elf could have done to stay in the business without completely giving in to the trends set by others. It's not like they could possibly keep up in the game system department in later years.

>>15094384
>Doten Meikai
It's almost all netorare.

As for Hiruta, most of his works revolve around the brutish/rape types, not full on Netorare as Meikai did. Also, it was a bad move when you consider how most of ELF's fans were of the renai crowd. Although I really have to ask who this "Morning Musuko" guy is.

>>15094437
One game can be said to have it as a main theme and you people somehow project it onto all others.

And Hiruta had cheating and general unfaithfulness without any brutes involved always in his games, think of De Ja 2 where you quite openly cheat on the main heroine, Words Worth in which you get cucked in the first half, and proceed to cuck someone else in the second, also Dragon Knight 4 of course and I don't think I need to say anything about Kawarazi-ke 2.

Furthermore, I cannot confirm it in any way, but I seriously doubt that there was great overlap between the fanbases of, say, Koihime or Refrain Blue and the Itou-ke series. Hiruta must have been sick of renai after at least 1996, which explains his following games, and I find it hard to blame him for it.

>>15094347
context? why would someone snap his disc

>>15094887
>doukyuusei 2
hmm I wonder why

>>15094897
Please don't confuse a game that has nothing wrong with it with Kakyuusei 2.

>>15094887
The main heroine in the (supposedly) RenAi game Kakyuusei 2 had some serious NTR issues in her route. The rest of the heroines were fine and the game was great of you pretended that she didn't exist.

>>15094905
Oh, huh. TMYK

>>15094909
used goods be kinda par for the course for elf games, no?

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>>15094956
There are plenty of "used goods" as you put it, and nobody has cared about it one bit. But that is not the issue. The problem was that Tamaki was the kind of girl who screams the other guy's name during sex, if you catch my drift.

>>15094966
Why would she do that?

>>15094966
Isn't that just part and parcel of netori theme? You steal the other guys wife, and she constantly remarks about how much she's enjoying this even though she's a married woman and mother.

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>>15094981
She was using the MC as a rebound. She was dumped immediately after putting out, she was still hung up about the other guy when she started dating the MC.

Mind you, there have been other girls who had been unlucky in their relationships, yet this didn’t stop players.

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>>15094991
MC steals nothing. The relationship is finished. There is no hiding. No lies. No pretenses. You have a very wide definition of netori if you believe this scenario to be one of them.

As for Kakyuusei goes, you DO have competition. How you react to it, and just as important, how the heroines react to it, is what matters.

Miyuki. <3

>>15095049
The protagonist of that game was a huge manslut.

>>15095029
Are they on the moon? Why is the cola sort of just meandering upward?

Anyway, part of it is the presentation too. With Mizuho you could "lose" to whatshisface but that's really only if you fucked up or didn't pursue her.
With Tamaki you see that scene in the park and everything else as part of the normal events, not as a consequence of any mistakes you make.

And as others have said many times before, making Tamaki so similar to Mizuho and pulling what they did was just asking for trouble. If she just wasn't a virgin instead of going as far as they did, it probably would've been more or less fine, some butthurt but not total colon crucifixion like what happened.
Which really is a shame as the rest of the game is great.

>>15095089
>Are they on the moon?
Well, it is Japan

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Usually not a big fan of SOL/fantasy combinations, but the cast just feels right and until now the pacing has no extra fat.

I hope it doesn't fall flat in the routes. And fuck dead animals, that stuff always gets me.

>>15094347
They went bankrupt from that?

>>15095149
no

>>15095136
>I hope it doesn't fall flat in the routes.
It doesn't in the main/true route (imo) but the side routes are pretty fluffy and ero based.

>>15095136
>fuck dead animals
Ew.

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>>15095149
They lost some serious buck because 1) The anime flopped HARD 2) Sabotage from ex-fans. This lead to an steady bleeding out that lasted for nearly a decade due to extremely harsh reviews of their games.

And contrary to what people believe, people into netorare are in the minority, so they didn't sell much during the last 3 years.

>>15095136
>And fuck dead animals, that stuff always gets me.
I can't remember any dead animal fucking in that game, which I'm grateful for because it sounds pretty disgusting.

>>15095220
Sabotage? What, the fans went to elf hq and flipped desks over?

>>15095222
We got it the first time, you're funny man.

From about 0:30 (for both videos) onwards don't these sound really similar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FStyG2WYAk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNQvLECht08

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CUTE

>>15095256
Kinda.

>>15095256
Second one sounds more complete. First one sounds a bit off and is quite lacking. It does sound similar.

Speaking of netori, can someone recommend me some?

>>15095335
妻みぐい3
夫の前で犯されて
若妻万華鏡

>>15095335
牝堕ち巨乳妻は俺のモノ

Not attacking anyone in general but people who like netori have to be the biggest betas.

>>15095454
Netori or netorare? There's a huge difference. And most of us are sitting at home jacking to cartoons, we're all beta here.

>>15095461
Netori. Netorare is the thinking man's fetish.

>>15095476
You make no sense.

Speaking of NTR eroge, what are some of your favorites? I'm not even into NTR but こんなアタシでも… struck a cord with me emotionally. If you're in the mood for reading something depressing pick this up. The soundtrack has some great ambient tracks as well, it further hits the point home that MC is losing it and his whole situation is fucked.

>>15095476
Then explain yourself.

>>15093887
And translated one (Koirizo).

>>15095404
This one looks awful. They all look fat.

>>15095511
People who like netori want to indulge in a fantasy where they steal other people's spouse because they always had their loved ones taken from them because they were too slow. It's something they could never do themselves in the real world which is why it's so appealing to them.

>>15095561
pretty sure most eroge pros didnt have loved ones in the first place though

t. knower

>>15095561
You're projecting a little too much there.

>>15095648
I'm one of these.

>>15095497
>>15095511
He's just memeing you.

>>15095534
Yeah I kinda regret picking this up. It had some good egs scores, wonder if that was just marketing bullshit.

>>15095693
>marketing
Don't you mean stema?

>>15095709
Considering that's pretty much literally what he said, that probably is what he means.

>>15095724
I dunno man, I don't think he knows English. He's wrong and needs to be corrected.

>>15095383
I looked through the CG of 妻みぐい3 and it looks like there are scenes with some other male characters? Is it forced?

>>15095750
You can turn on a pure mode if you don't want to have to deal with stopping the other men from having events with the heroines and even if you play the game on serious mode then it's pretty easy to cockblock men who are aiming for the heroine you're after.

Although regardless of your choices you the other men are still part of the other all story

>>15095794
>other all
Overall*

>>15095383
>夫の前で犯されて
>若妻万華鏡

how are those two anyway?

>>15095847
Pretty good. More 'realistic' approach, which involves psychological mind games. Especially in 夫の前で犯されて. The protag basically exploits traumas of the heroine and does some nasty shit. The only bad thing is that her VA is rather annoying. Give it a try if you like later Elf games like 媚肉の香り and 人間デブリ.

>>15095879
it always seemed to me for some reason like they were on the shorter end. how long are they each, roughly?

>>15095889
It's been a few years but I don't remember them being unusually short. Each game ~15 - 20 hours, maybe?

>>15095922
I might add that I didn't read it with a guide and the game is kind of difficult, so it might be much shorter if you use one.

>>15095879
>The protag basically exploits traumas of the heroine and does some nasty shit.
Does that mean rape or what

>>15095944
It's mostly coercing her with mind tricks. Like guessing how she was raped by her grandfather (?) and using the same power games until she gets a mental breakdown So it's more mind rape but the first couple of times sure as hell aren't in full consent.

>>15096145
No H scenes. Not worth reading.

>it's a we're being invaded by /vg/ episode
Make it stop

>>15096326
This post genuinely made me laugh out loud. Non-EOP crossboarders from /v/ are the best eroge thread posters.

>>15096498
What game is that?

>>15096498
The stuff she's saying doesn't fit her facial expression. She's probably faking it.

>>15096498
That's not cute.

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ADV format - equivalent to LNs
NVL format - equivalent to literature
Why is every NVL game so much more based than adv style games?

>>15096597
>equivalent to literature

*tips boushi*

>>15096498

Is that really happening during a test like the background implies?

>>15096597
do they even make NVL anymore?

>>15096668
Some doujin games. Arcadia was a lot of the time.

Anyone else hold ctrl through H scenes in moege?

I wish this trend of increasing H scenes would stop.

>>15096858
Depends on how much I like the character and how much non-sex-related dialogue is in it. Most of the time I do. I wish it'd focus more on relationships and cute stuff rather than making out scenes and sex scenes.

>>15096858
Of course not. Sex scenes are an essential part of the development of the relationship between the characters. Skipping them is heresy.

>>15096511
Shizuku, made by Leaf.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVs2_CnyCJg

>>15096876
I'm sure you can skip all of the middle part and only read the beginning and the end and not lose anything.

>>15096967
This is usually what I do. Well, I don't hold ctrl, but I just skim to make sure I'm not missing anything besides moaning.

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Adorable.

>>15096346
>Non-EOP crossboarders from /v/ are the best eroge thread posters.

You can say that again.

>>15096967
But it's not like a plot-based story where you can skip the filler SoL/sex scenes and just read it for the meaningful events - a moege has no real plot. The reason you read it is for the strength of the relationships and the feelings for the characters, and sex scenes are just as much of an important part of building these as every other scene in the VN. Just ctrling through these basically means you miss out on a vital process in this development, and your feelings for the girl and her story will be weakened as a result.

>>15096597
If you think any eroge reads like literature then you're a fucking moron who's never picked up a book

>>15096858
I do it all the time.

I prefer rape/corruption nukige if I want to fap. Moege h-scenes are too boring.

>>15096858
Depends if the scenes have plot points in them, otherwise I just skip them unless I'm in the mood to fap

>>15097346
If you think literature is something special only confined to books then you are fucking retarded

>>15096346
Oh yeah who care about actual content when you can have meme
They make this thread so good

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I finished Rance 01, it was amazing. That ending was goddamn beautiful, I really wish more sex scenes got music like that instead of the typical relaxing songs we get every game.

>>15096876
>>15097047
You read the scenes if you're in the mood to fap. If not, skip them. It's as simple as that. There's no development or continuity with most of them.

>>15097505
>Route for big fat tat older sister voiced by 平田宏美
The time has come and so have I.
Tenin-chan no Seiiki when though feng?

>>15097991
I'd say they're too big. The previous heroines' sizes were perfect.

>>15097630
too bad 03 reuses that same "r'n'b" track from R8 and R9 for most of its h-scenes

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Been busy reading Dies Irae, still in a first half. Ren is a fucking worm who's destined to be a punching bag. The author really made a mountain out of a molehill with those SS dudes. Somehow I've gained a lot more appreciation for the Fate series now, at least they had some balance. One of those situations when vivid writing and cool characters are deluded by dumb and devoid of any subtlety fighting scenes.

Anyone tried that Seabed that everyone seems to love these days?

>>15098360
That would require buying the damn thing.

>>15098405
I'm 3rd-worlder living in country with 200USD average monthly wages, and still can afford to buy such doujin games.

>>15098438
And I'm a first worlder living on 0USD monthly wages.

>>15098448
Then get a job.

>>15098452
No

>>15098081
But didn't you hear they've absorbed tens of thousands of souls!
tens of thousands I tell you!

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>>15098452

http://lunesoft.blog.jp/archives/2517528.html

What the flying fuck is this /jp/? Has gap moe gone too far?

>>15098456
That's supposed to be a bad excuse?
Because it's a good one

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>>15098478
Interesting premise but the art is terrible.

>>15098478
Those are some rather unusual nipples for a man.

>>15098478
Sounds pretty gay to me.
I eagerly await it.

>>15098448
A single big mac combo is more expensive than seabed. There's literally no financial excuse.

>>15098514
Not him but that argument isn't compelling to me because my food budget is extremely low and tightly controlled. I think a big mac combo is stupid expensive in the first place.

>>15098493
It's not supposed to be anything I'm just making fun of how often Masada repeats that

>>15098405
Nobody is going to upload a nobody 600 yens doujin game, that would be pretty evil

>>15098526
He only state it in conjunction with the story, he doesn't "repeat" it

>>15098405
>>15098527
If no one uploads it then it's not worth playing.

>>15098527
Is my bank gonna get on my ass for buying eroge from dlsite? Because I have no problems with supporting them (or Himawari, considering getting that too), but I don't want to jump through a ton of hoops and have to talk to the bank just to buy from dlsite.

>>15098558
I had to buy a game and I thought it was pretty good. Games without porn get ignored by the Anime Porn Fan Industrial Complex.

>>15098559
Never had any problem
Also Seabed and Himawari aren't eroge

>>15098533
He says it for every fight about every enemy even though it stops being intimidating after the first couple times

>>15098590
You are still in the common route, just drop it if you dislike it so much already, nobody is forcing you

>>15098558
Ah yes because the opinions of chinese pirates matters a lot.
>>15098561
Good reference

>>15098597
>just drop it if you dislike it so much already
He just made fun of his writing a little, what the fuck is up your ass dude.

>>15098597
I read the whole thing.

Seriously calm down I didn't even insult it that bad I just made light fun of it. Like goddam sorry for implying your precious meme VN isn't 100% perfect

>>15098606
Of course the opinions of chinese pirates matter a lot, they are the ones uploading all the games and if something is not worth pirating then it can hardly be worth playing. It certainly matters much more than the opinion of someone who paid for the game.

>>15098607
>>15098608
I'm not trying to insult him, I just can't understand why people force themselves to play something they don't enjoy, it's alright to drop popular games

But well I though >>15098081 and >>15098590 were the same persons so I was obviously wrong, apology

>>15098665
>it's alright to drop popular games
Can confirm, dropped muramasa because fight scenes were too long and boring, no regrets.

>>15098665
But how am I supposed to get e-cred with all the big names of the VN scene then??????

>>15098665
>I just can't understand why people force themselves to play something they don't enjoy,
You can take issue with some parts of a game, and make fun of other parts of a game, while still enjoying the game overall.

>>15097630
Getting animated in June.

Best scene in the series in my opinion.

Are you going on to Rance 2 next?
Use the Kai patch version

>>15098597
Nope, it's already Kei's part.

>>15098688
Pretty much this.

I just hope that Ren will gain more battle prowess in the second half, cuz now he's only good at groans while being ass whooped.

>>15098845
Ren doesn't do shit in Kasumi's route, he will have his time to shine later

>>15098619
That doesn't follow at all. Just because someone paid for the game doesn't mean they'll let the amount of money they spent in the game influence their judgement. And there's no guarantee that chinese pirates are looking for the same you things you are when playing eroge.

>>15098845
>Nope, it's already Kei's part.
If you're on an edge about the game and are pondering how much you're going to be enjoying the rest of it, I'd suggest holding on until things get properly going in Kei's route as that was when in my opinion the game went from decent to fantastic.

>>15098478
It has so much stuff I like compressed into one nukige, can't wait.

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Talking about going from decent to fantastic

Baldr Force Exe.

Holy fuck, game was just OK and then Ryang's route happened.

>>15098704
>Use the Kai patch version
Do you happen to have a link? I can't find it on nyaa.

Seems like they finally decided a release date for Sen no Hatou, its September.

>>15099743
Wake me up when september ends

>>15099928
This will forever be known as the September that never ended.

>>15099716
It's included in the Alice 2010 disc. Look for the Kai folder.

>>15100899
Thanks
It's going to take me so long to play through all of these games

>>15100931
I recommend asking the Alicesoft general on /vg/ if you have more questions about the games in genera;

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>>15099743
Mhm.

>>15101066
Same face.

>>15101178
Yeah, it's two illustrations of Akari on that pic, duh.

>>15099743
Is this game going to be more like Eustia or Daitoshokan?

>>15098514
>food analogy

How strict is Japan about pirating eroge? I'm here as a student right now and I'm afraid of getting in shit for downloading something.

>>15101503
Pretty sure uploaders are the ones that get in serious trouble, too many downloaders to go after all of them.

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>>15101503
Every nyaa eroge release has over 50% peers from japan, I'm sure its okay unless you upload something yourself. That said, you probably shouldn't download anything from public networks like university.

>>15101516
Always funny how they get mad about foreigner pirates

>>15101489
looks more eustia

>>15101503
just vpn

>>15101535
You are gonna have a ball when you learn about this guy named TSF no F who went and demanded /d/ to stop all piracy on the internet.

>>15101574
Wait what? more info on that please

>>15101489
Oh I'm sure it's going to be more like Daitoshokan with a Eustia mood, Priholi twist, FAish vampires, Binary Pot rape, and so on, because of course it can't by any chance be anything else can it?

>>15101610
Don't be autistic about it, it's just a question about the general style of the game. I'm pretty hyped about it and I expect them to make it great.

>>15101574
Can you provide a screenshot and/or a link to the archive if /d/ is actually archived somewhere?

>>15101516
kind of amazed that people still use these torrent clients

>>15101660
Vuze and bittorrent are pretty shitty but utorrent 2.2.1 is ok. Never tried any others.

>>15101664
new utorrent, which is what all these in the screenshot are using, was bought by mpaa and contains malware

>>15101655
I presume it'll be a mix of Daitoshokan and Eustia. E.g. Eustia-like serious setting with more Daitoshokan-like character dynamics.

>>15101489
They said it's going to be lighter than Eustia, but it should still have a plot. So probably somewhere in between.

Are Grisaia no Meikyuu and Rakuen any good?
I really liked the first game but what I've heard of the plot makes them sound really shit and jump the shark.

>>15101773
Meikyuu is more of a fan disc with a sequel hook rather than a proper sequel. Most of the game is optional extra content (non-canon heroine after stories, short joke scenes etc.) while only the grand route that's about Yuuji's past matters.
Rakuen goes very, very silly and asspulls all sorts of scifi-y shit out of nowhere while explaining none of it in an interesting manner (just a "if you have enough money, you can do anything" handwave at most) and the main plot isn't that awesome. The antagonists were also cliche shit and whenever I remember the finale I feel compelled to scream WHY, it's like the whole game is a parody.

I guess you'll still be able to enjoy them if you're able to shut down your brain and just enjoy the action, plus the heroines are still cute. They're not outright bad games by any means, but I wouldn't recommend keeping your expectations too high either.

>>15101829
Thanks.
I want to know more about Yuuji's past as well as the girl's reactions to finding out about it, so I think I'll check out Meikyuu when it gets a translation, but Rakuen sounds like not my kind of thing.

>>15101693
>Daitoshokan-like character dynamics.
What did he mean by this?

Anyone run Muv Luv Alternate on Mac or Linux?
Is it worth trying to find a way to run it.

Also, is the main character more than a blank slate? Part of the reason I'm interested is because I've heard good things about PTSD and I like broken MCs or watching them get broken.

>>15101968
He's not a blank state, if he was then Alternative wouldn't be memorable

>>15101983
Man, Muv Luv was so bad...

>>15102050
All of them or just the first one?
Never played them, but what made them so well regarded - as in high score on VNDB, often on top lists etc.

>>15102060
The first one isn't really well regarded. Alternative is because it's really good. Not that it had a lot of competition - how many 50+ hour long sci-fi VNs are there, with significant drama, worldbuilding AND action? The fact it's an engaging read is just icing on the cake of being a somewhat unique game in a crowd of moege that blend together.

>>15102060
Extra is really the only part that everybody agrees is bad, Although I did enjoy Meiya's route personally

>>15102060
Extra is fine as long as you don't 100% the game, it's best to just do Sumika's or Meiya's route and move on.

>>15102060
>as in high score on VNDB, often on top lists etc.

If you're asking about VNDB, well, English readers never read anything like that before.

Also VNDB scores aren't really worth paying attention to, but that was already discussed in this thread few times.

>>15102068
I'd argue Kei's route is fairly important and if you enjoy them enough the other routes add a bit to it, but I wouldn't do the others outside of the main 2 and Kei's unless you want to.

>>15102075
>If you're asking about VNDB, well, English readers never read anything like that before.
That's kind of decietful logic, it implies English readers wouldn't like it so much if they had read other vns. But, alternative even won a scenario award.

>>15102091
Chances are they wouldn't if they had several other comparable titles to choose from, I believe.

It's cool that it won a scenario award, but I saw some English friends go on about how it gave them PTSD and other cringey statements. If they had more games too choose from, they'd probably see it more reasonably as the good game it is, not some blessing to humanity.

>>15102095
>several other comparable titles to choose from
What are you thinking of? I guess the obvious comparison is Muramasa and maybe one of the Amatsukaze sequels.

>>15102099
I meant simply the upper end of the eroge medium without caring about genre.

But I guess some people don't like everything and might separate their rankings by genre. For those your suggestions are good.

>>15102106
Well, you said "comparable titles" and "anything like that" so I was thinking of 50+ hour sci-fi action stories. Of which even in Japanese I don't think there are too many comparable titles.

>>15102112
Saihate no Ima?

>>15102117
I haven't played that myself, does it have a comparable scenario to Muv Luv? It doesn't seem like an action title, wherein a big focus is given to training in mechs to fight giant murderous aliens.

>>15102119
Um, I guess general spoilers, there's action. Sorry.

>>15102112
Baldr Sky comes to mind.

>>15102124
No worries.
>>15102130
I honestly can't believe I forgot that.

>>15102063
>somewhat unique game in a crowd of moege that blend together.
I have to say, the name and cover full of cute girls makes it look really generic.
I had no idea it was a sci fi mecha VN until I looked more into it.

>>15102174
I had no idea until I got to Unlimited.

>>15102174
Muv luv didn't have cute girls

>>15102181
Well, generic looking anime girls.

>>15102179
Are you telling me you read Muv Luv Extra willingly?

>>15102189
Not him but I did read it willingly because someone told me it got "really good later on" but I was not aware it would get good in a different game nor that it would genre shift. The entirety of Unlimited came as a big surprise to me.

>>15102189
I did read it too, the two main routes.
Wasn't experienced in VNs back then, so it was bearable and made me enjoy MLA more.
Tried to re-read missed routes in Japanese year ago, couldn't stand even 5 minutes of it, Muv Luv is something you must do while still new.

>>15102174
Extra was to bait the nips into reading their moege.
Unlimited was the curveball that struck the curious.
Alternative was the twist of the knife in the gut of everybody who came in expecting happy fun moe times in high school. Even though it all gets "fixed" anyway later.

>>15102189
All I knew was that people really liked Muv-Luv for some reason so I decided to give it a shot. Only read Meiya and Sumika's routes, and I was pretty close to dropping it. I think I even ranted on /jp/ about it a long time ago and people said it would get better. Still had no clue what it was about.

>>15102201
and then Altered Fable came out to satisfy the people who liked the moege parts

>>15102204
Well yeah, end of Alternative kinda hinted that would be a thing anyway.

>>15102203
>>15102198
What kind of time frame are we talking here? did you read it back in 2006? 2003?

>>15102209
I think it was late 2008 or 2009 for me. /jp/ was still fairly new and I had just recently gotten into eroge.

>>15102209
Sometime around mid 2008, Alternative was already out (I read it immediately after) but there was no english patch for extra yet. It was one of the first games I read in japanese and I was pretty new to eroge in general, only having read stuff like tsukihime, Ever17, and a few really shitty early 2000s nukige.

Can I just jump in to Alternative without reading Extra/Unlimited?

>>15102217
Off topic, but I'm curious: how popular was Tsukihime before F/SN was a thing?
Did it get more or less popular after Fate got translated?

>>15102223
You really shouldn't. Alternative is a sequel, not a spin off. It'd be like picking up the third book in a series - not a good idea.

>>15102223
>>15092432

>>15102229
Tsukihime was the most popular doujin VN of all time. Higurashi/Umineko/whatever don't even come close to comparing.

It got kind of overshadowed by Fate later on, but there's no denying the massive impact it had on the doujin scene at the time.

>>15092432
That must be why I never liked Alternative. I hated every character.

>>15102239
Well, you're not gonna like any story no matter what the subject is or how well/poorly its written if you don't even like the characters. Sorry to hear it.

>>15102229
Not him, but as far as /jp/ goes you can gauge popularity of things by searching on Warosu with "old posts first". It goes back to 2008 even.

For example with G-senjou no Maou you can find threads from before it was released that hyped it as the best thing ever. Lot of people reading it with machine translation too. I guess back then noone cared about MT being total shit and Japanese readers must have been much rarer.

But around certain times you get a lot of people begging for translations and discussing the Amaterasu translation polls, that's pretty boring.

>>15102238
Higurashi sold a lot more than Tsukihime and got adaptations everywhere including a live action, Tsukihime doesn't come close
You know nothing about what is popular or not in japan

>>15102248
Type moon now: billion dollar company
R07 now: 20 downloads for latest novel

>>15102229
I did not interact much with the english fan community back then because there was barely a gap between my reading in english and switching to japanese but from what I recall from it was the most popular thing among the people I used to talk to by far, being discussed on and off all the time until they started reading japanese and stopped talking about older stuff. It was the biggest fish in the pond among english players until it got overshadowed by F/SN and Higurashi, which then got overshadowed by Umineko. It slowly faded out with time. As far as I'm aware, of the old stuff only F/SN and Muv-Luv keep generating very frequent discussion.

>>15102229
It got overshadowed by fate because its already 15-16 years old and fate is always getting new stuff like zero etc which keeps it alive but at the older days tsukihime was definitely more popular than fate. Just wait the remake, then you'll see tons of the old tsukihime fans at everywhere.

I'm just talking about the untranslated / jap popularity btw, I have no idea how the translation affected those.

>>15102255
Maybe but that doesn't change what happened in the past.
Nasu and co were smart and used their bumbling popularity well hyping FSN constantly for like 3 years
R07 acted like a retard and went from someone who could have been bigger than Type-Moon to a nobody

>>15102238
Huh. For some reason I always thought it only got attention because of type moon getting popular.
I wish there were decent 4chan archives that go back to around 2007 and before.
I suppose it must have been at least somewhat successful for type moon to go on and make Fate.

>>15102248
Higurashi may have sold more, but to even compare its impact to Tsukihime is completely laughable. Don't pretend like you know shit.

>>15102266
In term of pure popularity at their time Higurashi is definitely higher than Tsukihime, it's not even debatable
Judging impact isn't something you can do easily, if you just care about impact then Takahashi's games are superior to everything else including FSN anyways

>>15102258
>tsukihime was definitely more popular than fate
Sounds almost hard to imagine now - when did Fate overtake it?

>Just wait the remake,
It feels like they've forgotten about that.
If it does happen, I hope Shiki actually gets to be a character.
My biggest problem with Tsukihime is how he goes between either bland self insert with no personality and edgy murder rapist - which was cool the first time but got old and repetitive quickly, especially as he basically got no character development
That and fix Kohaku's route - it had so much potential.

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>>15102265
EGS has reviews going back to like 2001 (for example on Tsukihime), you can see what people thought back then.

For every game you can also view the prerelease page, but it's true that for older games most comments on that are made after release.

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>>15102281
It'll definitely happen, dont worry. Its from the last month's magazine.

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>>15102296

>>15102297
>Literally Jannu seibahface
I want old Arcueid back.

>>15102257
Thanks for the information - is english or japanese your mother tongue?

Well, it's easy to see how FSN keeps generating discussion as there's constantly new content which also attracts new readers. I still find it kind of funny how an eroge got so popular.

>>15102297
Jeanne is the best saberface.

>>15102297
I get complaining about the sameface, but what's so bad about Arc's design compared to the other samey ones? The mansion girls also have the seiba face from what I recall.
People seem especially salty about hers.

>>15102273
I mean yeah, sure, of course Higurashi is going to sell more in terms of sheer numbers simply by virtue of the doujin scene being several orders of magnitude bigger by then (in no small part due to Tsukihime), and having received numerous reprints (go try to buy a copy of Tsukihime these days). But within the scene at the time Tsukihime was a far bigger thing than Higurashi. The fact that you think they're even comparable shows how little you know about what things were like back then.

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>>15102305

>>15102307
The dress is one of the major complaints IIRC

>>15102312
You are the one who is heavily underestimating how big Higurashi was for years
And how it still big
Tsukihime is Tsukihime, I'm not saying it wasn't huge but Higurashi was bigger, that's all

>>15102296
They've been going on and on about it since like 2009.
I just can't even care anymore.

>>15102312
>(go try to buy a copy of Tsukihime these days)

Very easy actually, they have it showcased in glass cases in eroge stores all around Tokyo. But I guess price is the problem you have on mind. I saw Tsukibako for various prices between 10000 and 20000 yen.

>>15102255
What's this latest novel you're talking about? I want to laugh at it.

>>15102326
Iwaihime
I don't know how much it actually sold overall, I just remember it had like 20 or so on DMM a couple days after release

>>15102329
Didn't that turn out to be a mistake?

>>15102330
No clue. I was making a joke anyhow.

>>15102330
Not really, just that Iwaihime was uploaded in 2 places in DMM, in the all ages and eroge section and the all ages section showed that only 20 people bought that particular copy
Iwaihime certainly sold like shit anyways, nobody ever talk about in japan anyways

>>15102330
More like it was just one of the many places available to purchase it. DL versions aren't very popular in Japan and it had a hardcopy release, so the "20 downloads" thing is mostly meaningless. But it probably didn't sell like gangbusters either way.

I will translate Bengarachou Hakubutsushi within the next 15 years and 2 weeks after its release it will have already been forgotten by EOPs.

>>15102349
Correct thread for this announcement is >>15087465. We don't care.

>>15102349
What is your point? That English reading friends only care about eroge they got memed into their heads by the Twitter clique? That's a known fact.

>>15102362
Well I mean the "twitter clique" memes good vns (muramasa, dies irae) that English reads themselves would read and meme about if given the chance.

I hate that "meme" meme.

>>15102223
No, not recommended

>>15102349
Why? What's so good/bad about it

Mareni is a "literary" author. In the world of eroge, this can be polarizing.

>>15102772
>Mareni is a "literary" author.
You say that as if that actually means something

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Is it me or 神さまの耳はけものみみ!? / The Gods Have Animal Ears won't run if you don't have a text file named 2djgame in that folder?

>>15102864
Its not first time chinks add this kind of DRM to their releases, exactly same thing happened with some nukige in the past.

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>>15102864
I can only imagine someone trying to play a game infected by their shit twenty years from now after they're long gone and forgotten and wondering what the fuck is going on

>>15102944
You can honestly say that about all DRM

>>15102772
I read about 30 minutes of Albatross and the writing was honestly awful, filled with pointless details about everything. He writes like he has something to prove rather than something to say.

>>15102875
Fucking Chinks. Nanking Round 2 when?

>>15102991
>>15102864
I keep trying to convince myself chinks arent subhumans and they prove me wrong every time.

I'm chinese too guys you're triggering me.

>>15103410
You and literally a billion other people. I wouldn't worry about racism like this. It's all the same over-generalization every group has ever and will ever face

>>15103410
Sure, but are you a filthy pay-for-pirate-moral-high-ground-pirate-DRM chink or just a normal Chinese person?

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Oh shiiiii...

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I wouldn't mind receiving her Onis indefinetly.

Should I ply lovelyxcation if I already played lovelyxcation 2?

>>15103581
Why not? If you liked it

Fuck, Koi de wa Naku is just painful to read, holy shit, I hate all characters but I will read to the fucking end.

>>15103599
Good luck

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Man she really proves that appearance is not the only important thing for the heroines. For those dont know; She is a kage-onna and MC cant see her until halfway of her route, but her accent & personality is so cute that she definitely overwhelm other heroines.

Also I'd like to play some more weird heroine ideas like this, so if you guys have any recommend I'd really appreciate it.

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>>15103581
I only played Aya's route in LxC1 and really liked it. The less blank slate protagonist with a more pronounced loner personality really rubbed me the right way. However I've heard that some routes have really shitty and unnecessary drama, Aya's route's very last parts had some but luckily it was solved rather quickly.

>>15103652
>Man she really proves that appearance is not the only important thing for the heroines.
As do such things as logic, common sense...

>>15103655
>However I've heard that some routes have really shitty and unnecessary drama
That would be Yuni's route.

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>>15101579
>>15101657
Here you are, sorry for the delay.

>>15103899
Haha, He even directly disregards somebody explaining to him how to handle it properly.

>>15103899
>Don't even THINK of trolling me
>Japanese persons are human beings and have conscience
>Japanese persons understand production costs money
>>15101516

This will never not be funny

>>15103899
How do people know it's him and not just some guy pretending to be him?

>>15103967
Go read his twitter account or ask the people in Farhad's Forum. They can assure that it is him.

>>15101516
Clearly just Chinese, Coreans, Americans, and hairy Canadians falseflagging as honorable Japanese citizens to make them look bad and their ownselves countries look better.

Any predictions on Purely x Cation sales from our many professional sales manager here in this thread?

>>15104067
most likely slightly better than standard sales but not so great.

>>15104067
I hope it flops and everyone working on it dies a horrible disease.

>>15104236
That's horriable anon, I only want the Shachou to kill himself.

>>15104373
Not like MMF is common

Nothing makes me drop a game harder than harem shit and threesomes.

>>15104381
Meant to type MFF. I never see it the other way around unless it's rape nukige.

>>15104387
But the only thing better than one sloot, is two sloots.

>>15104387
Threesomes are boring in general. It's always the same shit. Where's the originality?