How in the world can people think being an otaku is cool?

>>14690540
Cause all the anime and shit

>>14690540
It's not hard to understand. Look at how it became fashionable to be a "nerd", how posers distorted and hijacked the culture/identity.
Thats what happened to otaku, it's the exact same only worse because it has a heavy dose of weeb mixed in.
I wonder what they call normies in Japan.

>>14690598
>I wonder what they call normies in Japan

Riajuu = normalfag. As for your Big Bang Theory-tier "nerd," the closest Japanese equivalent would probably be a niwaka otaku.

>>14690613
>the closest Japanese equivalent would probably be a niwaka otaku
They have people in Japan who think otaku are cool?
I thought it was only the west who were idiots thinking Japan liked otaku. Japanese people despise them. But maybe thats due to idol otaku giving them all a bad name. The west doesnt come close to being that fucked up.

>>14690540

Because they like a thing and dont bother

Unlikes you fucking faggot normie-nerd tumbrl-tier

>>14690694
>They have people in Japan who think otaku are cool?

That's not it. Niwakas pretend to be enthusiastic about something to feel included in whatever.

>>14690808
Might want to try at that "English" thing again, crossie.

>>14690540
You seem to have mistaken this for a Youtube comment field.

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>>14690540
Because the stereotypical Japanese otaku look is iconic

Otakus are seriously looked down upon and shamed in Japan, it's honestly kind of amazing how resilient the industry is.

>>14690814
>pretend to be enthusiastic about something to feel included in whatever.

oh shit thats exactly it.

English doesn't have a word for people like that does it?

>>14690867
Poser

>>14690867
Bandwagon

>>14690540
Shhiiiiiet.
Just realized that I look like the first otaku. At least I'm not balding.... fuggg ;_;

>>14690540
Have a look at /fa/, some parts of the style find their way on fashion blogs and stuff. They want a set of values to pretend to hold like white people in America that pretend to be ghetto black.

This faggotry has nothing to do with /jp/.
Take it to /r9k/ or /b/

>>14690540

>people thinking otakus are cool

When the fuck did this happen? Most of mainstream Japanese society still looks down on otaku.

I don't think it's ever been cool in the west either (no, watching dbz and liking pokemon isn't otaku), most of the fags on this very site still openly mock us and our hobbies as "weebshit".

Which is fine by me, I really wouldn't want the trash that hangs out on boards like /b/, /v/ or /pol/ to be into our hobbies anyway.

>>14690694
>>14690853
It has been decades since an "otaku" went crazy and stabbed people. Otaku hate is an outdated concept.

>>14691463
I like her, but it's literally entirely Grimes' fault. There was a VERY small tumblr community of ex-weebs/nerds etc that were into that kind of thing but kept it very lowkey because they were ashamed of their undeniable nerdiness but being "yourself" was ok, but only to a certain degree. They sprinkled that kind of shit into their own post-p4k stylistic preferences in art and music and stuff. Remember Seapunk? That was like right before Grimes and is where what i'm talking about became most obvious. It happened with cloud rap quite a bit too. Lil B was reblogging fan-made foot fetish hentai way before anime was the ironic *omg im such a weebb xD* thing it is now. Most of the people that were really into him at the time are now the direct influencers of the swath of garbage trap/future funk/whatever producers on soundcloud with their name in katakana and random anime girl profile pics.

--but anyway, Grimes got picked up by 4AD when they were briefly scooping up internet music left and right. She was in the same tier of tumblr music as the rest of the stuff that was big among "weird" college kids at that time, but she had an accessibility factor that was insanely easy for them to market. She blew up and had a good online presence, people that acted like her in turn got popular, then people that acted like them, and so on and so on and here we are.

As with every big thing in media, it's been going on much longer than people here and other places probably realize, but it wasn't as in your face until very recently. Just like scene kids it'll fade out while still being in the public conscious (actually, a lot of the people doing this now are ex-scene kids that used to buy naruto headbands from hot topic and shit ironically enough) until the next thing rears it's ugly head to the mainstream in like 6-9 years. I personally think it'll be a soundcloud-bred perversion of the scene kids from the mid 00s, but who knows.

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>>14691290
I'd want to shoot myself if I looked anywhere near like any of them. Not like I don't want to anyways though I guess. Sorry.

>>14690853
>Otakus are seriously looked down upon and shamed in Japan
Can people stop spreading this rumour now? It's not funny anymore.

>>14690853
Not really, nobody cares what you do in your free time

Being an otaku is only cool ironically and only in the west. I think it's a combination of having a "non-mainstream" interest and Japanese shit being loved by everyone (random tumblr blogs with their head images in katakana, yung lean albums, other stupid shit).

This all disappears in Japan though. You stop being that hip guy with obscure otaku interests and become a kimoi shit. Even if you yourself think being an otaku makes you cool, just walk around akiba for 5 hours and see the obese balding handicapped stained clothing middle-aged men buying loli merch and your mind will change.

No one "cares" though, I guess. Even though people will think you are disgusting, no one will say anything publicly.

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2014/02/01/are-you-otaku-roughly-40-percent-of-japanese-college-students-say-yes/
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-01-17/explore-heartland-of-anime-with-seiyu-life-characters/.97631
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-01-10/girls-und-panzer-goods-bring-windfall-to-coastal-japanese-town/.97366
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-01-24/watch-japan-self-defense-forces-band-play-girls-und-panzer-tunes/.97862
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2015-11-16/love-live-film-sells-2-million-tickets-for-2.8-billion-yen/.95446
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2016/01/13/love-live-takes-the-train-to-promote-new-bibi-single-crossroads
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-01-12/love-live-girls-tie-on-aprons-for-family-restaurant-collab/.97500
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2014-12-01/hello-kitty-cafe-teams-up-with-monogatari-series/.81627
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Densha_Otoko

These are just some indicators contradicting the narrative that otaku and otaku culture are something utterly shameful and despised in Japan.

It wasn't that long ago when computer games, computer programming, Internet usage (or BBS' before that), fantasy and scifi novels, and comic books etc. were seen as nerdy and pathetic in the West. Now look how things have changed. Similar changes have occured in Japan with regards to otaku culture.

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Can you, like not post a picture of me on the internet dude?

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>>14690540
those 4 would be ideal JAV actors

>>14691478
Wasnt it an otau who tried to saw an idols hands off?

>>14693081
All this porn does is make me bitter. I'm not perfect but I know I am better than these people, yet I cant get a cute girl like that. I take solice in the fact the girl is probably hideous without makeup, and that she doesnt really enjoy it and probably thinks about suicide.
I need to stop watching porn, it's just making me a worse person.

The fuckawful American nerd kitsch trend went global and extended itself into some really outsider, obscurantist and morally reprehensible realms of nerd culture. That's how, OP.

>>14693351
The fact of the matter is you're not better than them. You are a crossboarding loser with an inflated self-worth from /r9k/ who has to delude himself to get through each day.

>>14693081
Me in the back row, center.

>>14693081
these ugly sons of bitches are fucking super hot chicks and basically you all are fucking stupid

>>14693081
That guy on the left back just looks like a regular old man, not as disgusting as the others

>>14693520
Sorry to diossapoint, but I have never bothered with /r9k/, I am better. Not old, not bald, better teeth, and not fat.
Your average user will be better than these people, espescially the guy with fucked up teeth.

>>14693351
Usually dudes have to pay to be in JAVs.
That, or they're yakuza and have connections.
So don't feel too bad about it.

>>14690598
>Look at how it became fashionable to be a "nerd", how posers distorted and hijacked the culture/identity.
We could say the same about western superhero comics.
When I went to elementary, the upperclassmen would have probably beat me senseless if they saw me with Batman or Spiderman comics.
Nowadays, the very same assholes are first in line for the movies while Hollywood is still milking the superhero franchise every single month.
But back to the otaku topic, the relation with the two, is that we can't do much against, it is as is.
The main factor I wonder about is when these pretend-otaku and such will get finally bored of it and when will the whole trend die down?
I do hope in the name of all that's holy that animu and JP movies won't be regular mainstream showings in western cinemas anytime soon, or at any time at all.

They don't.

It's a group they can identify with based on something they love because what they love isolates them from other groups.

The same people used to call themselves nerds and geeks and shit but then normal people came along and started taking those terms for themselves. Like how that popular girl at school calls herself a nerd because she played that Mario game once.

Same thing happened to goth, punk, gangsta and many other cultures and it will happen to whatever else mass media and society sets it's eyes on and decides is "cool." It may even happen to Otaku culture.

>>14693893
>We could say the same about western superhero comics.
I was thinking of the "nerd" stuff as a whole, including that. I never cared about comics, but I have seen people who also never gave a fuck suddenly lapping up shit about the avengers and wearing spiderman shirts.

I hope the capeshit fad will go away soon.

>Not being Otacool

>>14693893
>I do hope in the name of all that's holy that animu and JP movies won't be regular mainstream showings in western cinemas anytime soon,
If they're Ghibli movies, they already are. No one is going to be showing Lolis Kissing for 2 hours - the Movie or whatever you're into in any movie theaters though.

>>14693038
>only good post itt has no replies
Im quoting my disgust.

>>14695283
>tfw kizumonogatari isnt in the UK
I wouldnt go because I hate people/cinemas. But still.

It's cool if you hide your power level outdoors.

>>14691463
I think of it as inhabiting a medieval fortress with concentric rings of fortifications. Even after the Riajuu-Normalfag Horde breaches the outer defenses of moe and shoujo, we can still flee to the citadel of untranslated rape VNs and obscure board/NND subculture.

>>14691811
>I personally think it'll be a soundcloud-bred perversion of the scene kids from the mid 00s, but who knows.
I already know of one band that is doing this AND is starting to mix it with moe culture.

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>>14693081
His face tho'.
According to some thumbnails they seem to focus almost as much on the men as on the actress. There's also an immense amount of licking and spitting.
I hate porn where the majority of the screen isn't about the girl(s).

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>>14696762
>going outside

>>14690540
I'm genuinely confused as to why all the pictures of otaku i see on the net are people who look physically deformed. It's like the media is implying that they have some physical disability as well. They never show pictures of normal looking people who are otakus.

>>14700731
Japan looks down on them. Therfore the easiest way to represent them the way the nips want it is to find ugly and gross-looking ones.

otakus are the same as neets anyways

>>14690540
Christ, that obese gook in the 1st frame is a Yukirin oshi? I feel like shit now.

Who cares. You fags are worse than the idiots crying about cultural appropriation especially given that it's fucking chinese cartoons and video games you're so worked up about. Pathetic.

>>14700663
Fuck you you fucking NEET wanna be. Unlike you i actually have a job and like to explore more than otaku culture. Kids like you are the ones changing the culture, not me. I was into the culture when you were still in your dad's nutsack.

>>14701838
Kiss his ass, Seabass.

>>14700740
See >>14693038

>otakus are the same as neets anyways
No. Being an otaku and being employed are not mutually exclusive, nor is there any reason why they should be.

>>14696383
No-one gives a shit about dubs on /jp/. Get >>>/out/.

>>14693351
Are all otaku lumped into a giant group regardless of hobby in Japan? Would they just assume an idol otaku and anime otaku are the same?

>>14706633
The way I've seen it there are train otaku and (everything else) otaku generalized as one, just like you said.
Train otaku don't have the same negative stigma, although they aren't exactly favored either.
However, if someone has a seemingly interesting hobby, that's considered cool, even if the person is obsessed with it on an otaku level.
I vaguely remember a TV spot about this, somone was collecting western dolls, but her house was crammed full, there are people who drive around great distances and take count of how many drink vending machines they see and another guy collected all kinds of toys from capsule vending machines but his room was a complete mess full of them, yet every reaction from studio was "whoa, that's nice!".

>>14707506
Is there a reason why Japanese people have such addictive personalities, or is the same everywhere and I haven't noticed?

>>14702259
Im home

>>14694718
Fuck off Danny

>>14709192
Because people don't take drugs in Japan. The rest of the world has people using drugs as an addiction

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>>14710742

>This was in 2001

If only I had that ignorant innocence back then, maybe I would have enjoyed everything.

>>14690540
being an otaku can be cool
it opens some nice doors
you can meet some cool people and have a lot of fun
well thats probably just being idol otaku
ive had so much fun
but i am also a foreigner
who knows
ive only met otaku that were financially stable and okay when it came to getting around in life

>>14690540
I don't understand how otakus look all the same and ugly as fuck in japan. Otakus outside japan look atleast normal and not like fucking tards.

>>14710839
they really dont
and ive only ever seen overwhelmingly ugly and/or fat otaku in america
not getting the full story
well maybe for the american otaku

>>14710774
Kill yourself frogposter

>>14711093
please don't bully the cute froggies

>>14710742
I'd be surprised if any of those people were otaku.

Shibuya fags who needed something edgy to appropriate end up adopting otaku/akiba-kei iconography and such to set them apart from the other clowns. As such it became kind of fashionable, but not in any traditional sense. Geek chic nonsense. Then you have assholes like Danny Jew who have been deliberately distorting the narrative to exploit niwaka-ota and gaijin idiots with expendable income.

It's reflective of a greater normie, Web 2.0 trend of trying to be "unique" and "special" and using what they like (or pretend to like) as the social capital to achieve that without any substantial involvement in the actual hobbies. Like how edgy "ironic weeaboos" on tumblr think they're cooler than "real weeaboos" because they have Oyasumi PunPun on their dash and listen to that faggot Porter Robinson and like shitty artists like omocat instead of those who like Naruto or jerk off to loli (woah that's "problematic") or listen exclusively to anison. See, "cool weebs" have cool shirts with stolen art and characters and shit on them and say cool edgy meme things like "FUCKING WEEABOO" or "HIKIKOMORI" or "HENTAI 00" and have unnecessary Japanese that the people wearing them can't even read; "real weebs" have old, ill-fitting shirts with cum stains on them. This goes beyond TBBT "nerds."

A "cool nerd" is an oxymoron. It's all masturbation. And it's especially irritating when this is coming from the same people who would've made fun of you for liking this shit only a few years ago.

This has been bothering me for a long time. But I think in such an environment so fixated on pretense, the "coolest" otaku/nerds are those that wholly lack that. The most smelly, unseemly, autistic pieces of human waste, with no self-awareness, good only for their absurdly detailed knowledge on things as useless as porn games and who animated a particular sequence in some popular children's anime. I have nothing but respect for these types because I know their passion is true. It's not an especially realistic image, but it's the ideal standard that I've adopted to compare self-proclaimed "otaku" to. For those who aren't trying to co-opt decades worth of subculture for their meticulously designed tumblr pages and colorful t-shirts and don't really care and just like watching anime and shit, carry on.

I have no idea either.
Since I can tell how bad being a weeb is, every anime about weebs I've watched have been too tedious for me to watch. Even if Genshiken was the best only because it tried showing all kinds of otaku, that did align with my experience, I couldn't share their enthusiasm; the few scenes where they actually get excited about things were painful to watch.
And that's because I know full well that I am here because I love 2D animation yet the west has snubbed it altogether because 3D is cheaper in the long run, so I'm into anime despite all the hackery because the true gold of 2D animation can be found only there.

I love anime for that but I can't enjoy otaku culture at all, only /jp/'s shitposting.

>>14712244
I couldn't agree with you more, thanks for writing that, it was very cathartic. Some other anon wrote this next bit, but I feel it feeds in nicely with what you are getting at and deeply resonates with my own thoughts and experiences.

"This is what I try to explain to people and no one understands. Surely some here will get it. That is, my otaku-hikiki-whatever goes beyond liking anime, denpa, or whatever. Even without the j-subculture I'd still be whatever it is I'm metamorphosed into.

They think it's a game. I wont even tell people I'm otaku or hikiki anymore. It is not some game where I say nyaa and sugoi and simply watch anime or have hobbies or what not. It is not simply an identity or set of hobbies. It runs deeper. It runs to the bone. I have become it. It is me, I am it.

I am not limited by reality anymore. I am not limited by death anymore. I am not really sad, angry or depressed. In fact, I wish to live forever. I wish to live forever this way... exactly this way. I'm free... free from my own mind."

>>14716001
I feel you. I've spent most of my post-adolescent life occupied with weird things simply to not have to deal with real life and people. Otaku media has simply come to dominate everything because it's some of the most substantial and gratifying escapism. It's not about "being" anything--"otaku," "hikikomori," "nerd" or whatever. Rather, it's about forgetting that I'm even there and becoming immersed in the fiction. I find it's more meaningful than the fictions we might live out in "real life."

So when hip, cool, fashionable people try to muscle their way in and make themselves comfortable and socialize and regurgitate idiotic memes ad nauseum, it's depressing and irritating. Like when people swap out "waifus" by the month and can't stop talking about fucking 3D girls. It's depressing. It reminds me of the kind of shit I sought to avoid in the first place and it pains me to know that I share spaces with these types of people. It's fine if I could simply avoid them, but as these things get more and more popular, it's gets harder and harder. I've been away from /a/ for so many years now just because I was so sick of the atmosphere there. I avoid tumblr and the like for the same reason. But what happens when they start infesting everywhere else? I only hope that this trend will die sometime soon and it'll go back to being gross and uncool and people will finally leave it alone.

>>14710742
looks like normal weeaboo trash. Otakus know what to cosplay. If they are too fucking fat to be naruto, then theyll change the plan. These are normal japanophiles.

>>14690540
>>14690841

It's unbelievable how good-looking I am compared to these guys, it's unreal. And aside from being bald I am a painfully average human being.

>>14693561

Yeah that's what I was thinking, just looks like a normal asian dude to me.

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>>14690540
I remember this one.

>>14693959
Unlikely. For one thing, the general nerd trend is still ongoing. It's almost too big to just fade away like that, and because of the push by companies to push what were previously nerd-niche-interests into the mainstream, it's unlikely to go away any time soon.

The majority of the problem that I have with the weebs I've met is that there is always the constant pressure to prove your mettle as the superior fan. Either by seniority, the amount of merch you own, how many hours you invested into anime or if you're fluent in the language thus can debate scans or even the veracity of translations in licensed series. Sometimes it becomes this really strange reverse status thing, where instead of passion it's more of a pissing contest to see whose gave up the most of their live to the stuff thus making you superior. Thus, elitism vs casual arguments and streaming vs torrenting shit.
This is present in every hobby you go but it tends to reach obnoxious levels with weebs. Maybe hardcore gamers can also reach this epitome of assdom. I'm not invested enough in those circles to tell.
I'm reminded of Otaku no Video where we have the protagonist who has a stable job, a girlfriend, popular and sporty at college but then discovers anime and loses the majority of it. But it's a portrayed as a wonderful decadent descension - finally becoming your true self. Saekano while being a cliche storm which is rife with meta-references had a really nice scene where the MC treated going on a date with Megumi (a normal girl) to go to a clothing outlet and tracking down the clothes she wanted to buy with an attack plan like otaku at comiket want their stuff before shit sells out.
It was a surprisingly sweet parallel that we can have normal girls being 'clothes otaku' but ain't shunned for it.

I guess most of Western society devalues being passionate about things you enjoy. Because it's seen as effeminate. Especially geek fringe-cultures but Japanese take it to crazy levels. I applaud these guys, but deep down I'm telling myself that I'm glad that I haven't gotten to that level. For me, it's good that I have my 'normie switch' and my weeb one. You can own a ridiculous amount of merchandise and still be a good guy whose head is well screwed on.

I don't really know where I was going with this. Just wanted to dump some thoughts I've had for a while.

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>>14690694
>But maybe thats due to idol otaku giving them all a bad name.

Ahaha, no. Do you know who Tsutomu Miyazaki was? He was not an idol otaku by any means, he was an anime and sci-fi otaku, his house was filled with shit like manga and Ultraman tapes and also had a circle at Comiket (although the original story claims that even his companions at the circle couldn't stand him). When news of his crimes got out, pretty much all the media came on to bash anime otakus, this led to Comiket being ousted from Makuhari Messe (https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/コミケ幕張メッセ追放事件) and came close to being closed down altogether by citizen associations who were wary of what kind of sordid content was being sold inside. Then there's also the anecdote that Comiket was being presented as a gathering of "100,000 Tsutomu Miyazakis" by live reporters. This is where it all started, it's all because of anime fans, Comiket goers and faggots like you who never learn their place.

I have yet to see Japanese media making similar treatments of idol groups, which if anything are a pretty much mainstream thing again. Sure enough, I can't think of any big personality who even dares to be seen giving their endorsement to anime in general, while even the Japanese PM doesn't seem to have any problem inviting members of current idol groups at the annual Sakura wo Miru Kai. That's how abysmal the difference is, yes, it's actually much anime that is a niche hobby to be kept obscure.

>>14729862
>This is present in every hobby you go but it tends to reach obnoxious levels with weebs. Maybe hardcore gamers can also reach this epitome of assdom. I'm not invested enough in those circles to tell.

Dude. Have you even watched Trekkies?

Hell, for YEARS people debated as to whether the term should be Trekkie or Trekker, as if it really mattered.

>>14729969
>Sure enough, I can't think of any big personality who even dares to be seen giving their endorsement to anime in general
Koizumi liked the mahjong manga about him

>>14729969
>Sure enough, I can't think of any big personality who even dares to be seen giving their endorsement to anime in general, while even the Japanese PM doesn't seem to have any problem inviting members of current idol groups at the annual Sakura wo Miru Kai. That's how abysmal the difference is, yes, it's actually much anime that is a niche hobby to be kept obscure.

Isn't one of the male members of the imperial family a big fan of manga?

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>>14729969
I remember Taro commenting that he enjoyed Rozen Maiden.

And then there is that Beckham pic of him reading fucking Comic LO.

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>>14730695
>Animefucks still pushing the "Rozen Aso" shit to prove that manga is an enfranchised medium

Jesus Christ, you really love lapping up everything you find on ANN.
Basically the whole story boils down to some posters on 2ch claiming they saw him hold a copy of it at the Haneda airport while he was waiting for a flight. All the time Rozen Maiden was brought up was as a light question inside interviews, either to confirm or deny the anecdote. The best comment he could say was "is that a manga for little girls?", and he doesn't even remember ever picking up any manga at the airport.

>>14690540

Well, I am cool, my mom and dad say so.

>>14730801
No, he says, "It's a shoujo manga, right?" confirms reading it, and has something positive to say about it. Either you're mis-characterizing the interview on purpose or isn't very good at Japanese.

>>14693038
The NHK special 知られざるコミケの世界 was also quite positive.

It's fine, all of jaypee are beautiful bishonen boys and cute little girls in frills

When's the portal opening again. I'm getting tired

It's a natural movement towards the modern era which is saturated with excessive amounts of technology. Sub culture thats nerdy or geeky is now trendy depending on how it's presented by an individual. Hypothetically, if I'm a slim and attractive young Japanese guy with a college degree in computers and it just so happens that I'm way into manga and LN then that hobby isn't really viewed as strictly negative and now I'm that cool nerdy otaku guy that Japanese women have their panties wet for.

These days there are even more of this type of person but also people are trying to copy that type of person. The end result is most things are nerdier these for the sake of having that label.

>>14690540
Because normalfags and women hate seeing other people have fun with things that don't involve them.
They inevitably end up joining in to something they should have no part in, and ruining it for the actual fans.
Hence why anime conventions have strayed away from being about creators to pageants for whores in costumes.

>>14691811
seek help

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>>14697136
>NND subculture
そうだよ

>>14729862
>But it's a portrayed as a wonderful decadent descension - finally becoming your true self

I think you missed the point of Otaku no Video buddy.

>>14733534
More like he's heard of it, if somebody mentions Touhou and you say "oh, it's that video game" you're probably not a player.

>>14729982
>>14729989
Manga is far from universal, but it's still far more mainstream than anime.

>>14729969
We are living in the 10s now m8.
Otaku hate is so yesteryear. I don't know what changed but after the 90s otakus gradually started being accepted. I don't mean something like otaku being cool but most people are neutral toward them.

I got contracted to work in japan for a year and when I was there for a year, 1 of my colleague is a hardcore one piece fans and he got a healthy family life with kids. My project manager is your typical hardcore otaku who openly watches anime video at work and leave his yuru yuri stuff around the table and jojo figs.

Nobody actually give them any fuck for their weird hobbies.

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>>14730801
Eh, I am pretty sure Rozen Aso is closest otaku.
Also the whole of Japanese military has been moefied either for recruitment or popularity boost.

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I sometimes wear sunglasses and feel pretty cool doing so.

>>14693081
That's shooped.

>>14693351
You see this is why 2D porn is better.

>>14693081
She looks so sad.
She's begging for help.

>>14739699
Is that a photo from day 17 on this page?

http://www.jun.or.jp/diary/2013-06.htm

Wow, so he basically went to make a speech at a seminar and some wannabe "supporter" met him at the reception hall to give him a present? Wow, he sure is an anime otaku like us guys, he understands us, he'll never give his support to crack down on anime and manga perceived as sexual and violent (except he did). Look at how there isn't even one mention on the details of the present! I bet he watched BOTH BDs that night!

Seriously, all these "evidences" of anime being enfranchised and Aso seemingly "supporting" it are nothing but anicucks attaching a "character" to him based on out-of-context photos. Quit this shit please.

>>14739597
Again, just read the article. He read it and had something positive to say about it.

>>14739597

Article:
> 原作者の方からサイン色紙ももらったとか？
> そこまでは覚えていないけどさあ。いかにも女の子っぽい絵柄なんだけど、これ話は重厚に作られているんだよな。それでへーっと思ったの。良くできているよね。

>>14740670
On the other hand, I agree with your assessment here.

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>>14734039

The Japanese Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications just decided to use Kirino from Oreimo as a campaign model. In symposiums across the country and at a Dengeki Bunko event in Akihabara, they'll be distributing pamphlets where Kirino explains voting, including how the voting age was just lowered to 18.

source: http://news.biglobe.ne.jp/entertainment/0210/blnews_160210_1198370044.html

We can go on and on, but it's pretty simple: otaku aren't exactly revered, but they're not the target of attacks they were in the 90s. Even what may be called "otaku anime" have mainstream acceptance now.

>>14747215
>taking the targets off otaku
Biggest mistake the japanese government has made since pearl harbor
They should learn from our mistakes and keep the niche interests oppressed and segregated

How can people think being a hikki or NEET is cool?

>>14748400
It is

>>14748400
It is cool. As a NEET, I'm a modern day philosopher.

>>14748404
>>14748691
Being NEET can be cool, but being a hikki never can be. By the very definition of "cool", being an anti-social shut-in is decidedly uncool. Not a value judgement on my part, mind you. Good or bad, being a hikki can never be "cool".

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>>14690598
It's not posers' fault.

>>14748821
why are westerners so incapable of drawing aesthetically appealing comics

>>14747215
In 1998, hundreds of university students were polled on their impressions of otaku. 17% were positive, 62% were negative (21% other). In 2007 the poll was repeated, and this time it was 34% positive and 41% negative (25% other). Now it's ten years later again, and my guess is the positive rating has already passed 50%.*

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2014/02/01/are-you-otaku-roughly-40-percent-of-japanese-college-students-say-yes/

* source: Debating Otaku in Contemporary Japan.

>>14716345
>Like when people swap out "waifus" by the month
That's really annoying. I have figures, mugs, pens, games and a wall scroll and cushion cover of a character and I'm not sure if I'd call her my wife. But to a lot of people it's enough if they liked a character for a while before moving on to someone else.

>>14729969
Something that needs to be kept in mind is that "otaku" was an invention of one man, Akio Nakamori, who just rounded up a bunch of nerds and decided that they are now all "otaku." It wasn't some concrete thing that Miyazaki was part of, and the media coverage of him kind of re-invented "otaku" all over again. Nakamori, upon visiting a convention, characterized "otaku" as effeminate, overly excitable losers who aren't even interested in real women anymore. After Miyazaki, "otaku" turned into gloomy, socially dysfunctional shut-ins. And after Densha Otoko "otaku" were re-invented once again.

One author in Debating Otaku in Contemporary Japan analyzed the media coverage of the Miyazaki case, and determined that it was ironically the defenders of "otaku" who popularized the term, and not "the media." They went in and tried to convince people that there was no connection between Miyazaki's crimes and "otaku." By denying the connection they also established the connection.

>>14748837
It's not meant to be 'aesthetically appealing'.

>>14693081
Now I understand why faceless men are used so often.

>>14749126
i guess if you don't feel like putting in effort nobody can criticize your work for being crap

>>14749428
That's a philosophy you seem to adhere to.

>>14712244
>>14716001
>>14716345
I read this.

>>14749081
>Debating Otaku in Contemporary Japan
Is it worth ~$112 CAD?

>>14690540
Why do they look so weird? How does this happen?

>>14690540
I did actually see ugly people like this on various otaku-related events I attended (Comiket and others), but most people looked exceedingly normal.

>>14729969
Miyazaki Tsutomu also collected horror movies though. That seems like a more likely influence to his crimes. Perhaps anime influenced his choice of victims.

Noteworthy case is also this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaoru_Kobayashi_%28murderer%29

>In Japan there has been some negativity towards otaku and otaku culture. Tsutomu Miyazaki became known as "The Otaku Murderer" in 1989. His bizarre murders fueled a moral panic against otaku.

>Japanese journalist Akihiro Otani suspected that Kobayashi's crime was committed by a member of the figurine collector sub-culture, even before his arrest.[15] Although Kobayashi was not an otaku, and did not even own any figurines, the degree of social hostility against otaku seemed to increase for a while, as suggested by increased targeting of otaku by law enforcement as possible suspects for sex crimes, and by calls from persons in local governments for stricter laws controlling the depiction of eroticism in materials which cater to some otaku (e.g. erotic manga and erotic videogames).[16] Nobuto Hosaka criticised a lot of the hype.[16]

>>14751036
Only you can do decide that, but I think it's a valuable book to anyone interested in otaku.

>>14751472
Or maybe he wasn't influenced by media at all.

>>14751931
Also, the introduction of the book is available here if you make an account:
https://www.academia.edu/12326997/Otaku_Research_Past_Present_and_Future_Introduction_to_Debating_Otaku_in_Contemporary_Japan_

I noticed that when Japanese talk about foreigners, they're very loose on what is considered "ikemen" to the point where it seems like they're randomly being sarcastic

>>14747215

Otaku or not, you can't really just ignore potential voters.

>>14748400

Being a NEET just essentially means you're lazy. A NEET can have a fully active social life, lots of friends, be married, all of that. It just means you aren't in school or trying to find a job.

A hikki is a shutin.

>>14751041
when azns are ugly, they are exceedingly ugly

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>>14753888
>be married

to me otaku culture represents the ideal of the ``lost future''. My elementary school had an experimental distance learning program back in the early 90s and we used it to learn about Japan. The university had us read manga and eat sushi while sending live video to schools in other parts of the country. I was so jealous of the kids who got to go on the exchange program. We wrote letters in Japanese to our penpals and then met them when their exchange students came to us. We were so certain that Japan was going to be the center of global culture in the 21st century.

>>14712244
I partially agree with this. I don't think the guy who wears a cum-stained shirt and lives as a hikki withtout taking showers is more of a "true" otaku than me because I at least take 15minutes a day to shower and dress properly before I leave home. I think I am a true otaku because I invest all my free time into digging deeper in various doujinshi music, anime, doujin games, and other otaku-related interests. But mostly it's because the various passions I've developped and am elitist about in otaku culture are real passions, things I love while giving no fuck about what others think. I don't give a fuck about people looking down on me for my interests, but I also don't show off to look cool by being a special snowflake. That's why I agree partially with you, because you can look like a decent person and not be a socially inept cumstained neckbeard without being an otakool.

>>14754496

I'm just saying it's not mutually exclusive from being a NEET

>>14752045
>I noticed that when Japanese talk about foreigners, they're very loose on what is considered "ikemen" to the point where it seems like they're randomly being sarcastic
Like how Japanese people notice non Japanese like even ugly(by their standards) Japanese chicks?

>>14690540
I used to be a neet, than I found out I'm actually really attractive, so I went out fucked a chick and almost got addicted to alcohol, moral of the story is, being a neet and fapping to 2d girls is the best.

>>14690540
>>14691463
Because anime is cool.
I don't know how it is on the west, but here in Poland in last years majority of people under age 30 stopped watching TV because nowadays it's only modern, political-correct cartoons and shows, series aimed at elders and government propaganda. Everyone use internet more and more often and get exposed to western and eastern series. Some people fill all their time with western productions like game of trones, but others prefer to watch SoL and romcoms that western doesn't have so they get into anime. The cultural difference also take its part, Japan feels fresh, exotic and free from problems of our society. The vast majority of people under 30 I know watches anime in their free time, yet I've never seen anyone who is typical "otaku" who wears naruto bands, add Japanese words in conversation or organize anime clubs. It's just frowned upon, just like being NEET.

Anime taught me otaku are attractive, cool and everywhere.

Don't die.

>>14754539
I started taking care of myself because manga got me interested enough in robotics and biomechatronics that I want to live to see as much of it as possible. I'm bothered by the stereotypes, even if they're probably helpful in keeping bad people away. Being true to yourself and not being a social whore doesn't necessarily mean abandoning hygiene and fitness.

>>14742469
name?

>>14752045
It's harder to see details in faces of a race you're not accustomed to. As someone that didn't grow up in an asian country, I tend to not see the things that asians find ugly in their girls. I've been to a maid cafe with japanese friends and my standards appeared to be really low for them because I'd find some girls to be quite that really weren't. The same happens the other way around, often they'd see a foreign tourist and say she looked really attractive while to me she looked like a 2/10. It's just a matter of which faces you're used to seeing.
As such, it's not unlikely that japs calling foreigners ikemen are not actually lying, it's just that they can't see that they're not.

>>14690540
If you are looking for arguments and want to call otakus uncool disgusting losers go to Chinese anime forums (China and Taiwan).

English forums don't bother to reply.

Japanese anime industry is big business, so they have shills to handle arguments diplomatically, they will turn off arguments because arguments is no good for business.

Chinese are proud otakus and they will argue back with a very angry tone, including personal insults and insulting your mother.

Just learn Chinese if your aim is to pick a fight and insult otakus and call them loser.

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>>14782200
Did you try it too?
Why are there people in this thread who think women thoughts are unalterable?

If you do some exercises and develop some interests about something useful(dreams you got when you were young), you will be upon the normalfags.

Why do everyone here think that normalfag=successful man?
Being normal is:
-Having some insecurities, but less than the average loser.
-Procrastinate
-Watch TV a lot.
-Doesn't use his time efficiently
-Some develops personality and charisma as he gets old. They normally lacks it.
-Ignores useful knowledge about their parents, so they tend to commit the same mistakes as them.
-Most of them tend to conform about their initial plans, and some get fat-chubby when they reach 30.
I can go on, but you obviously got the idea.

Is it so hard to understand that comparing a "normal" person to you yourself, it's as pointless as comparing a pot to a pan?

>>14782263
Oh, look, someone from Reddit who has it all figured out

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>>14782263
What the fuck are you talking about.

>>14779419
KMR

>>14782200
Are there any Chinese imageboards?

>>14754496
You're married to /jp/.

>>14782263
Being a normalfag is simply following the norm and what is socially acceptable, without questionning anything or thinking for yourself. Normalfags tend to have shallow interests and have no real passions, they always follow the trends to be socially accepted.

>>14757276
Oh rly? No chuuni and anime headbands in Poland? Try spending some time in a shop like Yatta.

>>14783462
No. A country as large as China has no imageboards.

>>14784127
I've never seen any chuuni/headbands type of people during High school and university, even thought I know many people watching anime.
Well lately I started visiting Yatta near my home every few weeks and only see other students or young girls who don't really do stuff like shouting Japanese or even wear badges.
Maybe if I started visiting cons I would finally see this cancer.

>>14690540
Someone post cute fujoshis pls.

>>14784365
Okay, I was trying to be subtle about it, I apologize:

I have been learning Chinese for a year, and I am getting looking for somewhere to discuss in Chinese. I know, by common sense, that there are Taiwanese imageboards for discussing anime/manga, and possibly for doujinshi and Touhou.

Is there anything besides 2nyan?

>>14691463
get out weeb sympathizer

>>14785361
It's okay.

There should be some Chinese ones listed here:

http://pastebin.com/EUrfHx7n

>>14783809
>delusion

Your average loser is a loser not because "he dares to question and think for himself," unlike what your typical re.ddit fedo.ra would have you believe. Your average loser is a loser because he is either unattractive, unintelligent, unsuccessful, or just generally incapable. The hobbies of your typical loser (shit like MLP, Powerpoint porn books aka VNs, idols etc) are merely a symptom of the problem rather than the cause of it.

If you think this is not actually the case, then I challenge you to find even a single example of a person who should be a natural winner--strong, handsome, very intelligent, diligent, etc--but is a "loser" solely because of his hobbies and for no other reason. You will have an easier time finding a unicorn or a dragon.

>>14785948
>winner--strong, handsome, very intelligent
This contradicts thinking for yourself because all this stuff is a social norm you blindly follow never questioning its value, worth. See? You blindly forcing rules of the game on everyone and calling looser anyone who not play it well. But what if the person is not really interested in this game to begin with? People can have different tastes, you know? Please try to comprehend, it shouldn't be that difficult.

>>14785870
Is 4chan the most popular of them all?

>>14786528
>This contradicts thinking for yourself because all this stuff is a social norm you blindly follow never questioning its value, worth.

You say that, but you have yet to advance any kind of coherent argument about why the viewpoints you have reached through allegedly rigorous self-examination are somehow more valid or justified than the ones you have repudiated. It's almost as though you haven't actually questioned anything at all and are more interested in self-justification rather than self-examination.

>But what if the person is not really interested in this game to begin with?

Ever hear of "the Fox and the Grapes?"

>>14786650
I think so. 2channel might be second.

>>14786802
Is 4chan more popular than it's ever been or has it become less and less popular over the years?

The person on the top left corner surprisingly looks just like my aunt.

>>14785948
Not him, but what do you mean by loser? Someone who isn't a normalfag? In this case:
>single example of a person who should be a natural winner--strong, handsome, very intelligent, diligent, etc--but is a "loser" solely because of his hobbies and for no other reason.
Well, true is that I'm fat so I'm not very handsome. But I'm very intelligent and diligent. I've been studying on my own since childhood, so I managed to outdo my peers. Because of that I got well paid, good job on start as soon as I attended to a university, which is unachievable and often unbelievable for people I know near my age. Both my peers and workmates treat me with respect because of the skills I have. I think it makes me a winner, doesn't it? Yet I don't do normalfag stuff, don't go on normalfag's parties, watch anime, play VNs and even have a waifu who I take as seriously as possible. It defines a "loser", am I wrong?

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>>14782263

>>14786953
It should be obvious, but you aren't a loser because you are successful. Success forgives almost anything about a person. This is why I said

>The hobbies of your typical loser (shit like MLP, Powerpoint porn books aka VNs, idols etc) are merely a symptom of the problem rather than the cause of it.

The kinds of people who blame their lack of success, be it social or otherwise, on their hobbies rather than personal deficiencies are the ones I was criticizing.

>>14786764
>Ever hear of "the Fox and the Grapes?"
>Hurr durr you're just jealous!
Yeah, right.
See? The only thing you can do is forcing doctrine implanted to you by society on everyone and refuse to acknowledge existence of people having different one. And those people think for themselves obviously, unlike you, because their values are not parroted 'common sense' like yours.

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>>14787247
All right, I get it now.
But I think >>14783809 didn't tried to justify that not doing normalfag stuff makes you an loser.
Well, I don't know, I got confused. In my opinion being normalfag-"otaku" and loser-successful is independent. There are normalfags loser(and there is really a lot of them) and you can be successful while liking anime.
However saying that you are a loser just because you aren't normalfag is pretty delusional.
Also it has to be said that there isn't anything wrong with being a loser. It only means you can't or don't want to be successful. If you are proud of it, then good for you. In contrast to what normalfags believe, people aren't in a position to criticize others' value systems.

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>>14787247
>>14785948
I don't think you understand. To be a normalfag is not to be successful in the traditional sense, or even just to conform to social norms. To be a normalfag is to subscribe to commonly-accepted definitions of self-actualization and achievement. Where a normalfag might find emotional fulfillment in a 3D woman we find it in fiction. Where he might find financial success to be the achievement of a large salary and enough resulting resources to support a comfortable lifestyle for he and his family, we might see it as to have enough to support a simple way of life plus our various expensive hobbies. Where a normalfag looks to his IRL friends and peers for for positive reinforcement and motivation we look at ourselves, the progression of our hobbies, and the reaction of our own friends and peers on the internet.

A lot of us are NEETs, which is fine because we value having a lot of free time, and to be a NEET requires a significant source of funds that already exist. A lot of us don't go outside much, which is fine because we don't look to the outside for emotional and physical stimulation, but to ourselves, our hobbies, and the internet. Plenty of us have jobs, are intelligent, and some are perhaps even very wealthy, but none of that factors into our conception of success, so we don't consider those things to be markers of fulfillment, barring where they help us achieve advancement in our hobbies, philosophical growth, and so forth. And of course, plenty of us are losers, but I daresay with our more forgiving definition of achievement there are a far greater proportion of normalfag losers out there in the real world struggling to find a meaning and happiness in life, when we already know what we want and how to achieve it with as little effort as possible.

In fact, most people are losers. That is, most people simply never live up to their definitions of success and fulfillment, and often relax those definitions as they get older so as to feel as if they didn't waste their life struggling and suffering towards some goal that they were never sure whether or not they really wanted. Being deeply into hobbies doesn't make someone more prone to being a loser. It may change their perception of what a loser is, but what makes them a loser is failure to reach their own conceptions of self-actualization. Therefore, I reach the conclusion that it makes us less prone to being losers than normalfags, even if their propaganda often makes us believe that is not the case, because it is much easier for us to achieve what we want than it is for them to achieve what they want.

I'd rather not use myself as an example, but as I am most familiar with myself and this is an intimate topic I will make an exception. I currently have a fairly well-paying job and a good higher education, but I consider myself no less a loser than when I was a hikki/NEET. In fact, my primary motivation to become this way was to be able to live my previous lifestyle more comfortably when I decide to retire, as well as to fuel my hobbies. The fact that my job involves one of my hobbies is also a plus. I have no wife or girlfriend, nor do I want one, and most of my friends are online, but I am not a loser, and in fact I never have been, because I know what I want, how to achieve it, that I can and will achieve it, and that it is fine that what I want is different from the norm.

Unless you're an actual normalfag who has somehow made it to this place and expects a decent conversation here, I call folks such as yourself "failed normals," because you fail to realize the aforementioned, even at a subconscious level, and still cling to the commonly-accepted conceptions while shitting on your peers for not prostrating themselves before the throne of philosophical normativity. One need not even understand the concept to realize it. Most folks here don't. But then most of us also don't look to Joe Everyman the successful normalfag extraordinaire as our model of achievement and self-actualization, as you seem to do.

Also, please learn some decent English if you plan to use an English-language website. I suggest reading some good 20th century novels, or if those fail to interest you some short story collections by people like Asimov and Heinlein. A half dozen or so books should get you on par with the average English or American high school graduate.

I always thought a "normalfag" was just a normal person. You know, someone who doesn't sperg out at the first sign of social interaction.

>>14786942
It's getting more and more popular.

>>14788542
Normalfag is basically a person who enjoy mainstream. They watch most popular series/shows, listen to popular music, browse popular websites, play AAA games, loves to attend and get drunk on events where other normalfags go. Because they enjoy gossiping so much and value being mainstream so high, they attack everyone who is different.
Also this: >>14783809

>>14693528
UNIX pls

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>>14788542

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>>14788526
Excellent post. I read all of it and couldn't have said it better myself.

>>14786802
>I think so. 2channel might be second.

2channel, for the longest time, had a market penetration in Japan similar to reddit. It currently has an Alexa ranking of ~300, while 4chan is around ~800.

For more relative rankings, 2ch.net is ~30 in Japan, while 4chan is ~500 in the USA. Although it took a blow in the controversies which led to Hiroyuki's depature, its still much more influential in Japan than 4chan is in America.

>>14788542
it is.

>>14790084
newfag pasta in a shitty newfag thread

>>14788526
That was a really good post.

>>14793141
>>14790576
It really, really wasn't. Now please stop bumping this.

>>14788923
So, a basic bitch then.

>>14793177
Yes, it was. Why do you have to be such a kill joy?

There are few threads with actual discussion left these days here on "/jp/ - Generals General". Let this one live.

>>14793289
Too bad all the "discussion" reads like a bunch of drivel some 17 year old chuuni wrote.

>>14793445
I dunno, I thought >>14788526 was bretty good. I doubt the guy who wrote it was under his early twenties. I have a feeling that you're younger than me and that you have a tendency to use buzzwords like "chuuni" to describe positions you disagree with. What exactly did you find in his post that suggested he was underaged?

29 here btw.

>>14693528
Santiago?

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>>14790720
>Alexa ranking

How does the jay feel about anime about otaku? Too otacool for you?

>>14793177
Four first paragraphs were very good and not colored by attitude (condescending etc). Of course if you expect every post to be something you absolutely agree with, you're going to be annoyed with any post that goes beyond few sentences.

Anyway my experience is largely similar, but I'm different from some NEETs in that I still do not completely manage to live selfishly. In other words, I feel a bit guilty about how I live, because I feel that in my country we do a lot of things right, and also do realize that my way of life is not sustainable if lived in a bubble (though even in ant societies there are members that laze around all day).

I'm currently unemployed for several years, but I have actually worked in my life. I did't think the increased income was worth the restrictions on time. I hope to find some way to balance my situation, maybe working just a few days a week or something.

Sage for blog post.

>>14795819
It's not a decising factor in wether the anime ends up being good or not. For example, I think the first season of Oreimo was great.

>>14795819
Genshiken was good. The first season was at least.

>>14693081

Why are 90% of the men in AV so ugly? Is it because most of the actors chosen have Yakuza connections or do the producers feel the audience would feel more comfortable watching someone uglier than themselves get laid?

>>14749721
Damn straight.

>>14802480
Average asian guys are just ugly

They're just programmed to think that if they get into a good university and get a stable $30k/yr job they will be set for life without having to do anything else to attract a girl.

>>14802480
It's so the average viewer can self-insert. I guess they think we're all hideous.

>>14806398
Average asian girls aren't that great either.

>>14806420
At least they go to proper hairdressers