What are your thoughts on Spain's autonomous communities?

>>79493660
Cancer that will enable snowball effect if they become independent.

Portugal is part of the Spanish crown

>>79493660
They will Balkanize

Huh, I was wondering what that red-white-green-yellow flag of horizontal bars was. Now, I have the answer: La Rioja.

>>79493660
They are cool but shouldn't become independent. Too small economies?

>>79493660
Why aren't Navarre and the Basque country the same?

Aren't they both basques?

Free Catalonia and the Basque Country. Nuke everything else, SPECIALLY the South and Castille.

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>>79493660
Castile Y Leon, Navarre, La rioja, Cantabria, Aragon, Basque country should be a single community.

>>79495291
Castile y leon, and Aragon are both latin speaking basques.

I find the Basque interesting.

>>79493660
Memes, nobody cares about them outside of Spain because they ARE Spain when they are together. Something they fail to see for some stupid reason.

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>>79495353
The basqueoid race should have a single state

>>79495291

'No'

Plus historical reasons; Navarra was a kingdom, the Basque Country never was.

In fact, most of them were kingdoms, some are Communities for cultural reasons, and 2 or 3 are meme Communities for purely administrative reasons like Madrid and La Rioja.

>>79495736
Opinions of Al Andalus dont count for whites organization.

>>79495291
Navarra was an independent kingdom in the Middle Ages which is why they still have special laws. Besides, only about half of the Navarrese can speak fluent Basque. The Basque country was split between Navarra and Castile.

>>79496095
t. DeSheewon Hernández II

>>79495647
That's a catalán you dumb

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I prefer this division.

>>79493660
shittiest regional system ever
centralization would be better, CCAA provoke jealousy between regions.
Historical CCAAs get advantages that other dont.
Catalonya for example whines for better budgets EVERY FUCKING YEAR and other regions get shit

the constitution of 1978 was a mistake
CCAA system means that you have each community steering the "boat" that is Spain in a different direction if you catch my drift
>>79496694
>only half of the Navarrese can speak fluent Basque
>implying its any different in Basque country
shit's hard yo. 4/10 basques dont know ANY euskera

The cancer of this country. They should not exist

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>>79497145
lets go deeper, to the village and land communities of Castile

>>79497429
You should see the official numbers. Catalonia has been neglected since before the crisis.

Spains political/regional system is a complete disaster, only Belgium is worse but it doesn't count because Belgium is not even a country.

Why did Spain never fully succeed with "Spanification" in the Basque area's? Why did the Basque language survive?

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spics. all of them

>>79497482
>The 2006 sociolinguistic survey[4] of all Basque provinces showed that in 2006 of all people aged 16 and above in the Basque Autonomous Community, 30.1% were fluent Basque speakers, 18.3% passive speakers and 51.5% did not speak Basque. The percentage was highest in Gipuzkoa (49.1% speakers) and lowest in Álava (14.2%). These results represent an increase on previous years (29.5% in 2001, 27.7% in 1996 and 24.1% in 1991). The highest percentage of speakers can now be found in the 16-24 age range (57.5%) vs 25.0% in the 65+ age range.

Younger generations speak more Basque than the older ones, interesting, so the 4/10 number will decrease in the future.

Why don't the Basque people push for independence as hard as Catalunya? They've been more vocal than the latter over the years so it surprises me.

>>79501172
Correct, Belgium is far more artificial than Spain.

>>79501435
because basque is mandatory in schools.
even if you are a complete foreigner that moved in from other parts of spain, you have to learn that preindoeuropean language for school

>>79501462
Just kick out the frogs, you'll be the best country along with netherlands.

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>>79500622
This is the best division, maybe remove moorlicia and moorsturias.

>>79495736
>>79496694

Memeing aside, the uruguasho didn't imply otherwise. He said that the CAV and the CFN should be united. And that's true.
They should merge into Navarra, though.

>>79501435
Actually there are more people for independence here than in Catalunya. It is just that we prefer to do things the correct way.
Right now, independence in the Basque Country would mean two ugly things:
- A good chunk of the population would not be happy with the independence. That means social fracture which is not good.
- Navarra is right now pretty divided and basque independence without Navarra is pretty odd.
We will get independent, but it will need time. Maybe another 30 years to have enough majority to avoid the mentioned problems.

>>79501946
Retarded beyond salvation

>>79502232
Independence support in the Basque Country reach barely the 20%. Even lower in Navarre, it's not even an option.

Spain won't be fractured, Catalan separatists are bunch of zombies.

>>79502148
They shouldn't. Even the Basque Government should be abolished, letting each province administration to the JJGG and their own laws.

We are Castilian rather than navarrean after all.

>>79502232
Can castile y leon come?
Castile has always been tiee to basque country

>>79502232
>We will get independent
kek, you guys are delusional as fuck.

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>>79502302
>20%
>delusion

>>79502340
>We are Castilian rather than navarrean after all.

Sure lad.

>>79502396
No.

>>79502410
It is fine that you feel safe, ignoring what really happens. Not that I care about what a random guy in a cantonese carrot peeling imageboard thinks.

Why so many Spanish want to fuck off from Spain? Do Spanish people hate each other?

>>79502548
In my case is not about hate. At all. I love Spain. I just do feel that we being our own country is a better choice. We both want different things so there is no point in being together.
t. basque

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>>79502461
Why you dont want castile?
Castile is border with basque country esp in its capital burgos, andalucia is not castile.

>>79502410
Tendréis suerte si la canarias y morolucía se os mantienen fieles...
>>79502548
>Do Spanish people hate each other?

Yes, We hate more Spanish people from other regions than moors or niggers.

>>79502604
Who cares? We might have similarities but we are different people that want different things. So it is better that each one takes their own path.

>>79502461
>>79502493
The problem isn't getting more than 50% of the poblation to want the independence, it's making the rest of Spain want to change the constitution so you can have access to it "legally". That's impossible nowdays, and will be for at least another 50-100 years, if not more.

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>>79502637
Kek fuck off you mean same people.

>>79502639
I am rather sure that, unfortunately, a real agreement with Spain will not be possible. I don't like doing things that way as catalans are trying to do. But with a larger majority wanting to get independence we can get the international community interfering.
It is not the same that not even 50% of your people want independence than more than 75% wants it. And I am sure we will get to that eventually. People are getting very further from the spanish path.

>>79502740
Ok, I will just ignore you from here.

>>79493660
Literally they shouldn't exist, not even regionalist parties should be allowed.

>>79502791
Basque provinces/navarra history has ALWAYS been tied to Castillian history.

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r8 my navarra

>point the obviousness of basque/navarre, catalan/valencian, etc, being the same peoples

>*CLEARS THROAT*

>NOT TRUE BECAUSE OF THIS ANCIENT KINGDOM BORDER AND HAVE YOU SEEN THIS 100 MILLION OLD PAPER THAT CLEARLY SAYS THAT AAAHHHH

>>79502461
You are the deluded one, aberchandal.

https://www.google.es/amp/s/politica.elpais.com/politica/2017/06/23/actualidad/1498213521_535228.amp.html

Maybe in your dreams you'll your leader Arnaldo as the president of the Basque country. Only there.

Assume it, and learn some history. We've ties with Castille more than with anybody else

>>79502923
Northern castillian+cantabria+la rioja+basque country+navarra+aragon are the same people.

>>79503002
>el País.
Cool, bro.

>My leader
>Not projecting
Cool, bro.

>Assume it, and learn some history.
Cool, bro.

I can teach you history whenever you want, kiddo. But I do not care about what happened more than 500 years ago. I speak of today. And what today says is that our paths are totally different, that we want different things and that we will, eventually, be in different places.

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>>79503085
Can you post a picture of yourself?
Or what is a basque person?
Right now im.thinking youre a divide and conquer Jew who wants to weaken the native ibero basque community by fragmentation.

>>79503249
I'll tell you again, my dear americlap, I am not going to answer any of your retarded questions/proposals so stop wasting your keyboard on this.
>Right now im.thinking youre a divide and conquer Jew who wants to weaken the native ibero basque community by fragmentation.
That's been funny, I grant you that.

>>79503296
Post a picture of a basque person.

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>>79503310
How is this guy distinct from any castillian?

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>>79503349

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>>79503085
Good luck aberchandal!

Que frustrante tiene que ser ser indepe, toda la vida engañado sin que nunca se cumpla aquello que supuestamente es mejor. Dais mucha pena.

Sois capaces de negar la realidad hasta con evidencias, patético.
>>79503085

>>79502767
>But with a larger majority wanting to get independence we can get the international community interfering.
Like in 1936?
Funny how Franco's Army was mostly from Navarra. If Catalonia secedes and they open the season even I'll go back to fuck you up. Reketin Commies back to their shitholes.
T.real vascongado.

>>79503059
>Educación Estadounidense.
God just check the European gene maps you fugin retard.

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>>79503650
The only DNA is Iberian then various mixes of it depending on individual.

>>79503727
Least admixed and practically identical are northern castile aragon navarra and basque country

>>79501377
No one speaks fucking Basque. Like really even batasunos struggle with it and just spew some meme words before speaking Spanish

>>79502232
>Actually there are more people for independence here than in Catalunya
No they are not. Basque independentism is an all time low. If a referendum happened not even 30% of the population would vote for independence

>>79493660
What province is superior: Castilla and Leon or Castilla-La Mancha?

>>79502915
what the fuck is going on in france

>>79503650
Basques colonized a good chunck of Spain. There are some regions in places like Segovia that have a bunch of Basque names and surnames

>>79503901
Both are shit and empty

>>79503901
Castilla y León. The La Mancha part of Castilla-La Mancha is a mad max-like wasteland. Cuenca, Toledo and to a certain degree Guadalajara are top tier Castilian cities.

>>79503901
Only Leon

>>79503927
They always were basque but got admized by foreign dna over time.

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>>79504033
Pic related ancient iberian girl

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>>79504106
Pic related basque

>>79502461
>25:75 for Ceuta
>75:25 for Melilla
Do those territories have 4 people each?

>>79504128
As you can see basque dna = native Iberian dna that used to inhabit the whole peninsula and everyone in iberia has basque/iberian dna to various degrees.

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>>79504128

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>>79504128
This is ancient Iberian writing.

Federalism/Autonomism is the best form of Government. We desperately needed federalism in Italy.

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The Romans had it right

>>79504380
Yes, foreign invaders divide everything correctly.

>>79493707
i will fucking eat you alive

>>79503727
>Andalusians are more related to the Italians than the rest of the Iberian peninsula

kek

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>>79504380
This is my plan, unite Castile y leon with navarra, la rioja, aragon, cantabria, basque country, assimiliate/iberianize asturias when this is complete the great task of iberianizing galicia begins to make it nice and proper iberian, then consolidation of numbers and steadedly expand the community into the south, until you meet the complete shitskinned andalusia that will be a miracle to make it iberian.

>>79493660
I think about them every day

Just kidding, no. Catalans are annoying, but that's the extent of it.
>being a separatist cuck like Scotland or Catalonia in the 21st century
>when we should be forming LARGER power blocs to deal with China, Russia, and Pan-Arabism
full retard

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>>79504380
>Cartago Nova

>>79504952
>Spain is a Carthage colony
>Americas are a Spanish colony
maks u tink

>>79505023
Spain is not a carthage colony, thatvwas literally just a port renamed and purchased by carthage for trade or something.

>>79493660
How Spain did not still become one nation after centuries of existing in one country? I dont know really much about spanish history, but in my opinion, catalonian separatism is like central russian regions be like:"Oh we are not russians, fuck you all. We are leaving". Is not Catalonia (Aragon in Middleages) the heart of Spain, which began spanish fight for freedom?

>>79505217
>Is not Catalonia (Aragon in Middleages) the heart of Spain, which began spanish fight for freedom?
No, that was the kingdom of Asturias.

>>79505319
Ok, but anyway Catalonia for centuries was part of country. Why catalonians still dont feel themselves spaniards?

>>79505671
IDK and I dont care. They were actually the most pro-Spain region during Franco´s dictatorship. I honestly think they just follow what It is "trending" ,and now hating Spain is the newest.

>>79503901
Castile and Leon

>>79505737
Well, it all looks strange for me. People just ruin their own country becouse of nothing

>>79502461
Based melilla

>>79506173
Me pregunto por qué hay esa diferencia tan grande entre Ceuta y Melilla

el castellano es un ladron y un cobarde que se esconde detras de su poder politico para matar ajenas culturas ajenas de las que luego beneficiarse de forma parasitaria

el castellano perdio su imperio y juega al rol de conquistador con las regiones que le quedan en su minisculo pais para destruirlas y remoldearlas a su perfida imagen y semejanza de miseria y antiintelectualidad

el castellano no podra dormir hasta que todo el mundo no sea culturalmente castellano porque odia profundamente a todo ser diferente que le recuerde lo que el nunca podra ser

la cultura castellana es la cultura del pillaje, el saqueo y la destruccion

>>79506262
En Melilla son muy pro-franco y pro-legión, por razones históricas, imagino que será eso

>>79506359
El castellano ens roba

>>79506440
No lo sabía, ahora me ha picado la curiosidad y quiero visitarlas

>>79493707
really good post

>>79506359
>la cultura castellana es la cultura del pillaje, el saqueo y la destrucción

No podían dejarnos otra cultura?

>>79493660
inshallah, al-andalus will return to the caliphate

I have the opportunity to study abroad in Cantabria, should I take the opportunity? Young people there speak Spanish, right?

>>79505843
A fun fact. Barcelona has been bombarded and invaded more times by Spain than by any foreign country.

>>79505843
In the catalonian nationalist universe, every vice belongs to spain, every virtue to (independent) catalonia. They assume themselves to be one of the richest and most cultured nations of europe, and the only reason why they haven't realized their full potential is because redneck spain have conspired against them for centuries.

>>79505843
Every single Spanish speaking society in a nutshell.

>>79493707
Outstanding post :)

>>79493707
/Thread

>>79506678
everybody speak spanish in cantabria

>>79507110
Isn't this kinda true?

>>79493660
Free Catalonia

>>79509782
No.
The richest and most cultured are Castilla and Euskadi, Cataluña is not even competing on the same league.

Cancer, Spain must be federal with federal governments managing almost everything (USA like).

Galicia - Castilla - Euskal Herria - Andalucía - Catalunya

Eventually Portugal would join our awesome union and Spain would become Iberia as it should be

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>mfw spaniards want to divide themselves.
>mfw no one actually say something about being a republic & remove the monarchy.

Why spaniard are such a cucks?

This kind of things remind me why they lost the 300 years war againt some stone age indians

>>79503727
So that is the new meme map?
Check the Eupedia ans see own strange Spain's map is. Like Cantabria having 10%-5% Polish genes but nobody else does.
This is who we are. Iqual in diversity.
And we all are willing to give shit tho those fucking pretencious Catalan snowflakes.

>>79509782
Hm, sadly it is, yes.
They don't assume to be "one of the X of Yurop" but certainly some levels above Spain

>>79510482
>but certainly some levels above Spain
Which is true*

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>>79510091
This.

>>79510890
Absolutely not. Stop nonsense divisions

>>79510958
What is a nonsense?

>>79510968
Are you serious?
Aragon&Valencia&Balearics should be Eastern Castilla
Also Galicisturiaxtremadura, is that a joke?

>>79511125
>Eastern Castilla
Wow, for a second I thought you were talking serious.

>>79511173
Ok le'ts call it Mediterrania or something, I'm more pragmatic but I understand someone could get offended

>>79511125
Retrasado. Castilla termina en Cuenca en su punto más al Este.

>>79512343
Currently that's not the case but whatever, I already said that another name could be set for that region so that no one gets offended

¿la movida independetista catalana incluye a las islas del mediterraneo, valencia y aragón?

>>79513238
Lol no

>>79513338
¿valencia aunque sea?

>>79513436
los valencianos son mas fachas que los castellanos

>>79513436
We could talk about the islands, that's it.

Not planned at all though, it's just us

>>79513465
Pero no puedes decir que es Eastern Castilla y ahí les tienes triggereds hahaha

>>79493707
this desu, D.afonso henriques was a fag

>>79503901
They both are the empty backyards of the country. Think of the center area of Australia

>>79513632
No me mola ese mapa, la verdad.
Montenegro debiera ser Andalucia, Macedonia Galicia, Bosnia Valencia (por estar dividida entre Cataluña y Castilla) y Eslovenia Euskadi.

>>79510140
Actually the question in the catalan referendum is "Do you want Catalonia to be an independent state in the form of a republic?"

>>79493707
Good Post tbqh famalafamilia

I will visit Andalusia next year.
Cordoba, Sevilla, Granada and maybe Cadiz. Please rate this destination and give tips

>>79504451
just look at Africasquares and Amerisquares, perfect divisions of terrain :^)

>>79505671
political trickery and re-telling of history skipping most of Aragon and painting Spaniards as "muh castillian oppressors"
basque people do it to a less extent painting the kingdom of navarre as something irrelevant

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>>79517855
Andalucians are horrible extrovert people with no manners
for a tourist trip its a cool region i guess, lots of historical shit
i wouldnt want to stay in that burning hot gypsyhole tho

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>>79517855
good luck with that

>>79505080
A large portion of Spain was first colonized by the Carthaginians.

Barcelona itself was founded by Hannibal.

>>79505319
Aragon started as the Marca Hispanica, so technically it is a secondary precursor to the Kingdom of Asturias as well.

If anything, Catalan independence makes more sense than Portuguese independence tbqh.

>>79520653
>Barcelona itself
not sure about that anon.
Better examples for Phoenician/Carthage colonies are Malaka (Malaga), Eivissa (Ibiza), Gadir (Cádiz), Cartagena (Cartago Nova/Qart Hadasht)

>>79520859
Sorry, it was actually Hannibal's father, Hamilcar.

And it turns out it's a founding myth, not necessarily historical. Which is depressing desu.

My heritage is Galician can I be Spanish now?

>>79521423
sure man.

>>79520847
>Aragon started as the Marca Hispanica
That was the county of Barcelona. Aragon was an offshot of the kingdom of Pamplona

>>79521423
what part of galicia

>>79517855
Done that more or less just a few weeks ago. Grenada isn't that interresting worth visit but would not spend alot of time there.,Malaga is a better destination imo.
Sevilla is probably the most historic, but at the same time the one with the hotter climate.
Cordoba is fine.

>>79495305
underrated post

>>79520653
so what?
valencia was supposedely settled by lusitans after the defeat of Viriatus (iberian rebelions, in the times of the roman republic). That doesn't make them lusitans in any way

>>79493660
Any news about them? They live on the EU money right?

>>79495305
>>79525391
>muh castillian oppressors may-may
i do agree with nuking Al-Andalus tho

>>79501946
>Gringos talking about something they don't know shit about

>>79504128
Damn it's Liam Gallagher

>>79493707
I wish...
Tired of being poor*Uguese.

Why do the gipsies love Andaluzia so much? Nomad people it's because of climate.

Or it is a socialist that offers a lot of gibsmedat or has a lot of free open space.

>>79493660
Catalunha gets out, Northern Portugal gets in and joins Galiza within Spain.

These are my thoughts

>>79530046
Rebuild the Lines of Torres Vedras with walls. There's a project funding.

Put all former colonial immigrants inside the walls and containment area.

>>79530174
That's also a neat idea, but it won't bring back the capital "trapped" in the stone and concrete of lisbon real estate by centuries of centralism though, we'll still be poor though free(er)

>>79525795
>That doesn't make them lusitans in any way
I wasn't claiming that. The other anon said that Spain is not a Carthage colony, which is technically correct due to Spain no existing as a single entity then, but many coastal settlements started as Carthaginian colonies.

Of course, Spanish identity and modern Spaniards are not Carthaginian in any way, the same way that Montevideo and Colonia del Sacramento in Uruguay are not Portuguese.

>>79493660

Spain is a nice country but it is very, /very/ stupid of them to want to split apart to the point of being separate countries.

You're all south of the pyrenees, you're all functionally the same thing where it really counts. Get over yourselves and stay united.

>>79493691

I suspect that this Frenchman knows what he's talking about. Balkanization for Spain is god-damn idiotic.

>>79502596
what is it that you want that the rest of spain doesnt?

>>79530794

He's Basque so above all what he wants is to look attractive. But an irrelevant backwater will be less-able to develop the technology which might actually make Basque men attractive, which again goes to my earlier point that Spanish separatist tendencies are idiotic.

>>79530925
Basque have protected basque culture for hundreds of thousands of years, cultureless anerizogslave can not comprehend.

>>79517230


I mean, all the country.

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>>79493660
> autonomous communities
triggered

>>79493660
the north is full of special snowflakes

>>79493660
>Asturias
>Cantabria
>Basque country
>Navarre
>Andalucia (can be argued, but has a great history and culture)
Great, the rest are shit

>>79528573
most socialist region in the whole peninsula
plus they feel the most accepted, and have been there since the 15th century
Andalucians behave almost like gypsies, being extrovert and loud compared to other spaniards

>>79531081
It's the proximity to France.

>>79519077
>basque people do it to a less extent painting the kingdom of navarre as something irrelevant
KEK. It is the castillians the ones making it irrelevant and telling how the CAV was "always" under Castilla.

>>79506359
>catelANO

>>79493660
Love 'em
Hate centralised authorities
Simple as

>>79495353
This guy looks literally just like, except I have dark brown hair instead of black and foggy green eyes and a smaller nose. fug

>>79506359
España es una MIERDA ya que nosotros los CASTELLANOS gente de bien y protectores de la fe CATÓLICA y la pureza de nuestras benditas TIERRAS tenemos que compartir estado con garrapatas ARAGONESAS,JUDEIDIZANTES CATALANES,puercos VALENCIANOS, mofetas BALEARICAS,perras VASCAS Y NAVARRAS,vacas GALLEGAS gitanos MURCIANOS,moros ANDALUCES y traidores LEONESES. Cada día rezo a San Fernando rey cruzado de estas nuestras SANTAS tierras y a DOÑA Isabel de Trastamara para que resurezcan y nos guie a la gente de BIEN, LOS CASTELLANOS, a una nueva época dorada de FE, CULTURA Y PROSPERIDAD COMO ACOSTUMBRABAMOS ANTES DE TENER QUE AGUANTAR A LA CHUSMA DE ESTA ESPAÑA SIN MORAL NI VALORES.

>>79510091
>Federal government

Lad, Spain is already more federal than the US. The only real difference is that we don't have different penal systems in each region.

>>79544051
>Spain is already more federal than the US
>I do not understand what being federal means.
Spain is a decentralized country, not a federal one.
Federal means that sovereign entities renounce to part of their power in favour of a higher entity. The power goes from floor to top.
Spain was a centralized country that decentralized, giving part of its power to the regions. The power goes from top to floor. The CCAA are not soveign, they have never been, so Spain is not a Federation.

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>>79493707
mhmmmm

>>79531081
>>79536803
Those are the original heartland of Spain. The rest is just expansion. Compare that with the American East Coast States vs the rest.

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>>79504128
Why are B*sques so much uglier than Castillians?

I just realised that without portugal i wouldn't be able to recognise spain if there were no other clues that it is spain

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>>79527762
You are as portuguese as i'm japanese. fuck off immigrant. Portugal has a huge quality of life.

>>79530046
It seems we have a traitor among us.

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>>79546355
>Pla surname
>Totally basque

>>79544051
the constitution specifically forbids federalization. the autonomies dont have full autonomy, its not a federation, its way more complicated

>>79548506
Sorry Xavi, I didn't see the filename

>>79549048
Actually Xabi.

>>79549101
Actually Xavi because it's implied that he is catalan.

>>79549241
I was implying that I was basque since you told me "Sorry Xavi" as if I was catalan.

>>79503249

>Right now im.thinking youre a divide and conquer Jew who wants to weaken the native ibero basque community by fragmentation

But Spain itself is a jewish invention. "Spain" and "Spanish" were used indiscriminately by gaijins to refer to this peninsula even when Spain didn't even exist as a political entity. Even nowadays this established gaijin narrative remains 'the truth'

>"Spain" (not Castile) discovered America
>The "Spanish" Empire (but not a single mouthbreather gaijin using this highly debatable terminology knows jackshit about the actual structure or could name 2 institutions of government).
>The Spanish Armada that wanted to invade good old England (there even wasn't a Spanish Armada, and it was never called like that anyway)

And etc. Even the argie here thinks Catalonia somehow encompasses Valencia and Aragón too and the Uruguayan that Navarra and the CVA are the same thing and all basque speaking.

Sure there was an idea of Spain by the Spaniards since the high middle ages and this concept became somewhat apparent in the Renassaince but it wasn't the Spain of the gaijin narrative/propaganda. It was an oversimplification masked with absolute ignorance and lots of propaganda. Because the gaijin didn't know jackshit about Spain and at the same time feared Spain.

Not saying Spain as a political entity, a nation comprising the Iberian peninsula doesn't make sense. It totally does. But somehow this construction didn't follow its own path and tempo. It got lost in between the shitpost of the retarded gaijin narrative/propaganda, the overwhelming necessities of the times and the unrefined, undiscussed, anadapted integretation of gaijin-produced concepts and ideas made to fit their specific needs in a a specific manner, like nationalism and capitalism.

In a way a fragmentation would be nice because it would definitely kill that gaijin narrative. It would also kill the nationalist narrative of mouthbreathing separatists.

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>>79551899

>europoors so buttblasted they can't even keep their countries straight

>>79493707
you cocksucker

>>79520847
But our independence makes more sense then yours.

>>79545793
Thank you master

>>79493707
Yeah, pretty much. If only Miguel da Paz had not died.