How the fuck do people learn this retardedly complex language?

105 iq or higher

>>79471652
>Japanese
>Complex
lol not at all

Should've learned a language before turning twenty something. Also, total immersion helps.

not any more complex than most other languages
little kids learn it

Consistency, it's rather a endurance race

>>79471675
this plus anki

>>79471707
unless you're under like 10 years old, you're probably better off being an adult. Any minor advantage 13 year olds have brainwise is negated by the fact that 13 year olds can't study for shit

The same could be said to Arabic

>>79471652
簡単だけど…
中国語は発音が難しいよ

They seriously need to do away with all those kanji

>>79471788
発音は難しいけど
単語覚えるのは日本語より簡単だし文法も日本語より英語に似てるから英語ネイティブにとっては日本語の方が難しいと思う(経験上)

>>79471791
Kanji is the pleb filter
>>79471763
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-its-hard-to-learn-new-language-adult-2014-7

>>79471791
wat

>>79471652
The language is made specifically so that dumb people can't learn it, the reason why low iq migrants come here instead to Asian countries

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>japanese
>hard

You mean the language with (practically) no plurality, almost no irregular verbs and no future tense? Japanese is easy if you just learn the moonrunes.

>>79471791
>this flag this post

>>79471791
Why? I think korea also have to use 漢字 as we are east asian family

>>79471880
This.

>>79471858
汉字和它代表的一切都没有学习的价值,the sooner you get rid of them the better

>>79471702
>no spaces
>particles which have tons of meanings: like に
>2000+ kanji, very complex characters which are hard to write. Yes you can learn radicals but it's still difficult. Compound kanji is even worse
And more

>>79471779
Arabic is easy if you have a good teacher, there aren't many good resources for learning Arabic that's the problem. I learnt basic MSA as a kid. There are only 28 letters. Seriously, Arabic+Hebrew and Indo-European are MUCH easier.

>>79471652
because japanese is completely different from indo-european languages.

so it will be difficult for eurocentric peoples, who call themselves as "multilingual" ,even though they have learned only dialects in Europe.

>>79471702
>>Japanese
>>Complex
>lol not at all
>t.Western Japanese

>>79471938
I had a couple of friends who majored in Arabic back in college. They would often times brag about how Arabic is the nth hardest language in the world. But then they were Americans so

>>79471908
How can you be a family if you all hate each other?
Actually it's kinda funny because you are all genetically and culturally related.

>>79471939
The retarded writing system is the only thing difficult about your language.

>>79471833
What point are you trying to prove by linking non-scientific guesswork?

With a year learning chinese I could read a normal novel and for about 50% of girls I tried to talk to I could have a conversation where I speak English and they speak chinese without any real difficulty. Find a kid who can do that.

The only real disadvantage adults have over older kids (who are past the true critical period for developing pronunciation) is that they don't have as much time they can devote to actually studying.

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>>79471791
>this flag this post

>>79471652
Only kanji is difficult but I think it looks better than the other squiggly shapes

>>79471908
>>79471896
Well sorry for infecting you with this slave mentality culture ok? East Asian culture has been the billabong of Eurasian continent throughout history, it needs to go.

>>79471791
chink posters are always say the darndest things

>>79472033
Hanzi makes sense because it was made for chinese. Kanji is like a frankenstein. If I'm not mistaken in Chinese each symbol has one reading. In japanese they have like even 3 and you also need hiragana and katakana to fully write it.

>>79472089
Japanese writing system is fucking retarded I agree.

>>79472089
yeah basically this

the phonetic/semantic components are also much more reliable for chinese

>>79472044
this

That would make sense.

>>79472089
There are at least 470 characters with at least 2 different readings in Chinese but it's not to the same extent as Japanese.
Both these languages are easier than Basque though. I don't know why I tried studying that.

>>79471832
でも漢字だけだから単語を覚えるの無理だろ!

>>79472044
Asians are literally only smart because of "muh confucianism". You would all be retards without it because you basically train your kids since birth to study hard and can't think for yourselves.

>>79472238
That made life needlessly competitive and traumatizing

>>79472207
なにいってんの?
拼音あるじゃん

>>79472238
I would say their worker ant mentality is the main contributor to their success.

Japanese is hard to get into at first, then it gets progressively easier.
I got to a point where I can read the news paper and novels in about 3-4 years.
Once you memorize all the jouyou kanji it is easy to aquire new vocab.
It's like playing lego at this point.
Also if there is a word I don't know, I can kind of infer the meaning by the kanji it's written in.
If I read a novel in English and I don't know a word and it is not clear from the context, it's impossible to understand it without looking it up in the dictionary.

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>>79471923
Too many homophones

>>79471652
Studying.

>>79472450
Like 90% of those words mentioned on the left are rarely used, they can invent new pronunciation for the remaining more frequent ones

>>79472432
>Also if there is a word I don't know, I can kind of infer the meaning by the kanji it's written in.
The problem is when you don't know a kanji, it takes a couple of minutes to find it by clicking all the radicals in the dictionary, while in English it takes a few seconds to type it in.
>献立
Must be something to do with standing, right? No..
In many other cases the words don't make that much sense
>定義
Must be something to do with assuring/fixing and justice/duty/morality, right?

Don't even get started on 当て字 and stuff like that.

>>79472569
>they can invent new pronunciation for the remaining more frequent ones
Not as easy as you might think.

Chinese of all people should know, when pretty much every MV in China and Taiwan is subtitled so people can actually understand what is being sung.

>>79472615
It's not easy, but the benefit is they can move one step away from a culture that is much more cancerous than Islam

>>79472432
>Once you memorize all the jouyou kanji it is easy to aquire new vocab.
>Also if there is a word I don't know, I can kind of infer the meaning by the kanji it's written in.
yeah, that's a good point of kanji

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>>79472648
>a culture that is much more cancerous than Islam

Why so many foreigners want to learn Japanese? It is not a common language …

>>79472775
the girls are pretty qt and if you actually speak japanese well you can easily get a good one as a girlfriend. If you don't speak Japanese you're stuck dealing with gaijin hunters but if you speak it you get the ones who think gaijin are hot but aren't shallow.

>>79472775
It's a nice language that I can actually use for watching anime or other japanese media. Also, I don't need to study pronounciation since it's pretty much the same as in finnish.

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How the fuck do people learn this retardedly complex language?

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>>79472874
>I don't need to study pronounciation since it's pretty much the same as in finnish

>japanese
>complex
はは、ブレインリッ

>>79472898
Literally so widespread some learn it through osmosis

>>79472898
This language in its current form is obsolete any way.
By the end of the century it will be completely replaced with ebonics.

>>79472580
Sure not always but how about 脱帽、目立つ、肺炎、春夏秋冬、絞殺 and a lot of others.
Also memorizing kanji composita is easier for me than to memorize whole new words.
If I was learning korean I would find it a pain in the ass to memorize words in hangul.
I think those who like kanji and find this aspect of Japanese fun or interesting find that kanji makes learning Japanese easier.
And those who don't shouldn't even be learning Japanese in the first place.

>>79472743
Well the government is pushing for the compulsory study of chinese medicine in primary school as we speak, accompanied by the overwhelming applause from the public.

Han nationalists are keen on finding explanations as to why they fall behind the West and the conclusions they reach is there were not totalitarianism applied and brainwash wasn't enough.

Chinese culture is just another tool for the ruling class to enslave its citizens, and it isn't nearly as thought provoking as islam since the latter at least drawn inspiration from other monothetic religions

>>79472775
The fuck sort of question is that to ask, on 4chan of all places?

>>79472775
Japan puts out a lot of interesting media, I want to be able to understand Japanese websites, music, anime, manga, etc. American cultural influence dominates the rest of the world, so you only need to know English.

>>79472898
English is simple as fuck, even if you ignore the grammar you can get your point across. Word spellings reflect its history, pronunciation isn't hard once you see the patterns.

>>79472775
firstly weebs don't have common sense

>>79473016
>pronunciation isn't hard once you see the patterns.

The thing is that those patterns don't work. That's why even native people sometimes ask "how do you spell that?" The grammar is a mess of different european languages full of expections too. The only reason it's easy is because you hear it so much.

>>79472950
They kinda make sense I guess, and I agree that Kanji are a lot nicer to learn than just plain words with only sounds and spelling.
>>79472958
Mate, China may be backwards, but you at least have a good number of really prestigious universities and scientists.
The Islamic world hasn't had a single one prestigious scientist leave alone a university for many centuries.

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>>79471652
>japanese
>retardedly complex language

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>tfw based phoenicians gave you their superior alphabet and writing system for free.
>tfw you are not stuck with nightmare of an alphabet and writing system that using 2000 characters.

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>>79473220
*a nightmare of
*that uses

>>79473220
If only the phoenicians taught you their art of tradesmanship you wouldn't have denbts now

>>79471652
It's not that hard.. takes 2 days to learn hiragana and katakana, kanji is an on going path. Grammar is funky, but isn't that hard either.

>>79472014
>The retarded writing system

???

>>79471791
Mao pls no

>>79473321
I know the kana, they're simple to learn and write. Kanji is annoying but doable, but the kun/onyomi thing seems really damn tedious

>>79473383
The simplification of Chinese characters was meant to eventually abolish the writing system all together, shame he didn't follow through, as was 破四旧

>>79472919
でも韓国語と日本語は似ているからなぁ…

>>79473391
I think every language has weird shit though. There's a few different meanings for the world "mine" in English. A pronoun, and a few nouns. There's a lot more English words with completely different meanings too.

>>79473484
what writing system was planned to be introduced? all pinyin or something like that?

>>79472775
You can learn something just because you are enjoying it you know?
And the number of speakers does not determine a language's value.
Also you'll learn much more effortlessly if you actually enjoy how the language sounds and you genuenly like it.
An other aspect: Japan has a good economy and is quite relevant in some industries, translators/interpreters are always needed and direct translations from one language to the other is highly prefered. And Japanese is also more niche than English/French/German.
Even though a lot of people start to learn it because of animu/mangu few have the endurance to get proficent at it.
Not to mention there are a lot of weeabos who are interested in learning it so it's possible to make a living of teaching it.

>>79473540
Not to that extent.
Stop this "but English is hard" meme, it's not.
Learning English is as easy as learning a foreign language gets.

Every language is easy to learn if you have enough motivation

>>79472775
They want to be proud of their abilities.

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>>79472898
>English is the most difficult language to learn
Was I memed?

>>79471923
at this point you might as well grab a pencil and draw what you want to convey like fucking cavemen haha

it's not complex
even useless degenerate weebs can learn it

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Spoken Japanese is easy as shit to learn. It's a simple language, which is part of the reason why Japs struggle to learn languages like English while Anglos can pick up Japanese with relative ease.

The script on the other hand...completely nonsensical.

>>79476822
t. far western Japan

>>79473484
Ni Zhonguo ren bu hao, cho san ba. No'wei'ren shi hen hao. Gan ni lao!

>>79471908
Is that why best korea killed the hanja?

>>79479270
They struggle with speaking English because there a lot less sounds in Japanese.
And being able to order a coffee is not the same as being able to have a political discourse so saying that spoken Japanese is easy makes no sense.
If you mean pronounciation then yes, you are right.

>>79472898
In Africa they use English as an official language but no one speaks it.
In Europe no one uses English as an official language but everyone speaks it.

Sauce: Icelandic is going extinct in favor of English right now

>>79482192
No, it's not only the sounds, it's the structure and relative simplicity of the language itself. The same is true for some other East Asian languages, particularly Chinese. Its grammar and syntax is very simple, which means that native speakers have trouble conveying complex, specific ideas in English.

t. taught many East Asian students

Hanza (kanzi) is east asian latin language. Except hanza, japanese didn't hard to learn.

>>79471833
>Kanji is the pleb filter
this so much. it keeps 2 digit IQ retards out of Japan.

Japanese is really easy to learn. The only hard part is when you start learning kanji.

>>79472000
Arabic is extremely hard. Of course it's easy to him because he was born in the fucking United Arab Emirates and was already fluent in a dialect. It's like an English speaker learning Shakespearean English.

Is UAE rare ?

>>79487699
A rare talks about rares

Chinese is harder to learn 2bh. There are no phonetics it's all characters

>>79487835
I think Chinese is easier. THe grammar is easier and characters (for the most part) have one reading. Honestly its not even the presence of kanji that makes Japanese hard, its the presence of multiple readings of kanji

>>79471652
By not being as dumb as the average american?

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>>79489052
>average Colombian calling average American dumb

>>79487509
This. If anything is any easy language then it is English. English is actually my second language (I am Lebanese) but I think it is much simpler than other European languages.

>>79488743
Chinese pronunciation is difficult but there are so many dialects/languages/accents I don't think Chinese people really care if you speak non-standard Chinese.

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>>79471652
Anki

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>>79489445
Good job. I hope you're not posting a one off day from when you didn't do reps for two weeks though.

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>>79489727
oops i just posted my sentence deck so the stats are a bit low

>>79489727
It wasn't that bad but it was 2 days worth of backlog on top of my daily workload.

>>79489445
>2 hours spent on flashcards
lol wtf are you doing

>>79472432
Guessing the meaning of Latin and Greek derived words is easy if you know some vocabulary of those languages.
Knowing a bit of French is also useful because many English words come from there.

I'm learning Pashto and Persian Farsi at the moment, more focused on Pashto but there's a lot of commonalities between the two languages.

I'm obviously hitting on quite a few Arabic words while I'm doing this. Does anyone have any resources that might help explain the word morphology? Like the relationship between words based on the roots.کتاب، کاتب، کتبا، etc.
Also how is MSA to learn if you're already familiar with Arabic script and sentence structure?

>>79471791
Chinks should do away with pinyin. No regular person is gonna pronounce x q and other shit right. Just use romaji

>>79471791
Off yourself. It fucking hurts to read everything in kana.

>>79471791
This is the exact same thing the commies believed in lmao

>>79492107
xi = "she" + widen your mouth like you're smiling
qu = "ch" + "you" - "ou" sound at the end

easy as fuck desu
also t. first gen immigrant

>>79487699
What does it feel like to be on a tiny fucking island?

>>79492800
>First gen immigrant

Nigger, half of me has been in North America for many centuries, while my dads parents came from Poland after WW2

>>79472073
Because they have pay for a 4chan pass to post here and only the weirdest ones would do that.

>>79492107
I prefer abandon the language altogether and adopt one from indo-european languages

>>79492642
They also breath, how 'bout you choke yourself to show your defiance towards communism?

Get your discrimination chain right:

Shit>>>>>>>>>>>Communism>>>>>>>>>>>>Chinese 'culture'

It's easy for me.

>>79472775
Because literally only English speaking countries and Japan put out worthwhile media that isn't music. I'm exaggerating of course, but still.

Japan is also basically westernized asia, making it adaptable to foreigners but exotic enough to be exciting.

>>79483176
what is simplistic about the grammar?

>>79494170
No tense modifications, no gender affixes, no case inflections etc etc. An inaccurate language suitable for a barren, clusterfuck of a culture

>>79471652
It was designed so foreigner influence would face a not so easy obstacle to brainwash Japan.
sage
Imagine if Japanese was an easy language to learn?

Portugal would have turned Japan into a cuck colony.

>>79483176
Yeah I've noticed this with the international Chinese kids at my school. Some of them are absolutely brilliant students (ignoring the spoiled Shanghai rich kids), but when you ask them to explain their work in English they sound like drooling morons.

>>79471675
wtf does iq have to do with rote memorization?
lots of subhuman tier nations have extremely difficult languages.

>>79471652
jewpanese is shit and easy, im learning chinese wich is harder and cooler and pratical (jewpanese only is good for anime or shitty jewpanese vidya)

>>79471833
that article is full of shit

>>79494423
Macau was a Portuguese colony and they're pretty well off.

>>79471652
Better than sub human A*ab