>Maximum enlargement of the EU. Thoughts?

Kurill Islands belong to Japan

if you make us join Jamaat al Ahl-e Yakub we will genocide everyone

Portugal gets annexed by Spain and the whole peninsula leaves the EU

MAKE SPAIN GREAT AGAIN

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>>79365218
>turks in the EU
>not in the oven
What did he mean by that?

>>79365218
Nice globalization. Now war between Russia, Turkey smol cunt like Azerbijan, and poor eastern Yurop cunt like Latvia are impossible. Which mean it would be even better if we can include every country in the world. It can be called anything as long as it unite all the nation.

>greenland
>EU

fuck OFF

>>79365218
That would be great.
We would become the next superpower

>>79365218
>russia
Maybe
>turks
Never

>>79365403
Greece supports Turkey joining the EU

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/greece-warns-ending-eu-talks-with-turkey-a-mistake-.aspx?pageID=517&nID=117812&NewsCatID=351

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>>79365218
>ru*sia
>eu

>>79365508
You are russia. Lukashenko is putin pet.

>>79365499
That's just what happens when you put communists in the goverment instead of the gulags

>>79365567
That's not only the leftists
The conservatives in Greece wanted Greece to form a confederation with the collapsing Ottoman Empire

>>79365499
Maybe because Turkey is holding the country hostage by threatening to release 3m refugees upon us?

>>79365663
I am not saying this is a bad thing. Greece is smart by wanting to have good relations with Turkey.
Greeks and Turks are culturally very similar, after all, and Greece would benefit if a country similar to them was in the EU

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>>79365624
Well good thing the Ethnarch was with the centrists and had a better idea then!

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>>79365759
>Greeks
>Mongoloids
>Culturally similar
Can i have some of the stuff you are smoking right now?

>>79365235
Wrong.

>>79365759
>Greece is smart by wanting to have good relations with Turkey.
Agreed, the Turk is all too eager to play the refugee swarm card to weaken and already weakened state, putting island sovereignity at risk. Especially with all the Turkish illegal airspace violations over the disputed islands.

>Greeks and Turks are culturally very similar
Kek.

Apart from the fact that the two peoples hate each other, have opposite religious convictions, have completely different heritages and values to uphold (Ancient Greek + Byzantine VS Ottoman) and very different socioeconomic conditions? Yeah, totally similar.

>>79365838
Most Turks have only very little turkic ancestry. They are basically Anatolian Greeks who converted to Islam

>>79365905
>Agreed, the Turk is all too eager to play the refugee swarm card to weaken and already weakened state, putting island sovereignity at risk. Especially with all the Turkish illegal airspace violations over the disputed islands.
That's why Greece wants Turkey in EU. If they are both in the same economic union, this makes a war between Greece and Turkey much less likely

Similar people hating each other is nothing unsual.
Look how Ukies and Russians hate each other, or Poles and Russians, or Ukies and Poles

>>79365923
Blood matters little, it is the thought that counts and those men sure as hell do not consider themselves to be greek anymore.

>>79365547
>>>>> google.com >>>>>how 2 troll

>>79366033
No they would fuck off to Germoney, so Greeks dont give a fuck

>>79365977
>That's why Greece wants Turkey in EU
That's kind of controversial. The greek governments tend to support Turkey's accession to EU because that will keep them at bay. The average Greek citizen I think is opposed to this however.

>Similar people
In what way though? there's nothing in common between Greeks and Turks. Turks conquered and enslaved Greeks, suppressed their culture and all cultural influence from the West, while Greeks would immigrate and contribute to western cultural progress. Oppressing another people does not make you similar. The religious split is just the final nail on the coffin. The situation is hardly comparable to Russians with Ukrainians and Poles. And in the case of Poles, well, they have a good reason to be wary of other great neighboring powers threatening them.

>>79366154
>The greek governments tend to support Turkey's accession to EU because that will keep them at bay. The average Greek citizen I think is opposed to this however.
Because Greek politicians understand geopolitics, while the average Greek is butthurt about muh constantinople.

>In what way though? there's nothing in common between Greeks and Turks. Turks conquered and enslaved Greeks, suppressed their culture and all cultural influence from the West, while Greeks would immigrate and contribute to western cultural progress. Oppressing another people does not make you similar.
That's just attaching modern nationalists way of thinking to a pre-nationalist Empire. Both Turks and Greeks were equally opressed by Ottoman rulership.

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REMINDER
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>>79366435
>not posting all of it

>>79366220
>Because Greek politicians understand geopolitics, while the average Greek is butthurt about muh constantinople.
Perhaps. Politicians just do what's best for the short-term, they rarely have vision due to the transitional nature of modern day european democracy.

As a citizen though, I'm not quite convinced myself that Turks as a people can change and become European either. Everyone used to tell me that Turkey had changed thanks to Ataturk, I told them that the Ottoman heritage was still rooted deep in them and that Turkey was never truly secular in the european sense of the word. Erdogan's support just proves I'm right. You can't wish away a millenium-half heritage of subjugation, imperialistic anti-western attitude and genocide by fighting a war, claiming secularism and calling it "Turkish nationalism". Turkish nationalism for every Turk will inevitably include part of the Ottoman achievements, whether Kemal wanted it or not.

>Both Turks and Greeks were equally opressed by Ottoman rulership.
Go tell that to all the Greeks and Christians that were treated as second-class citizens and had their kids stolen and converted by their Muslim counterparts. Give me a break, man. This is not even close to reality. The Ottoman Empire was a colonial empire, through and through, and not in a good way. Greek Pogroms, massacres and genocides cannot be erased from history just because. They happened, and they mean a lot.

>>79366516
Ataturk was basically a secular dictator who forced his world view on deeply religious people. Through his reforms, the quality of life in Turkey slowly improved, and more and more conservative, islamic people gained power and influence. Erdogan gets elected by his people, and he represents Turkish mentality much better than Ataturk. And he got popular because despite the shit he does in foreign policy, he is catually pretty competent when it comes do domestic policy, and he improved the living standard of millions of Turks.

>Go tell that to all the Greeks and Christians that were treated as second-class citizens and had their kids stolen and converted by their Muslim counterparts.
Those children had the oppurtunity to gain lots of power and influence, to be at the very top of Ottoman power structure. Also, Greeks and the Balkan people were able to keep their religion. For its time, Ottoman Empire was pretty tolerant, as Empires go

>>79366435
Romans fucked up big time.

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>>79366504

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>>79366962
Well that was a shamefur dispray on my part.

>>79366828
>Those children had the oppurtunity to gain lots of power and influence
Lol, threatening families with poverty and starvation unless they give up their children to the occupying enemy is "generous"? Weird definition of generous you have there.

>Greeks and the Balkan people were able to keep their religion. For its time, Ottoman Empire was pretty tolerant, as Empires go
Very "tolerant" and "multicultural" indeed, forcing non-muslims to pay tax, breeding hatred against them and leaving them to the mercy of poor Muslim citizens to be lynched when the sultans wanted. And I'm sure depopulation and deurbanization of greek land was very beneficial and tolerant. Oh, nearly forgot using the Parthenon as a fort, the Ottomans really had an appreciation for cultural and religious monuments.

Don't kid yourself, the Ottoman Empire was an awful empire for its subjects, and its supporters throw around the "tolerance" buzzword as a praise when in reality it was anything BUT tolerant.

But the biggest problem with the Ottoman empire was that it was muslim. Not necessarily because islam is inherently bad, but because at that time embracing Islam meant being opposed to the West. And being opposed to the West meant that Turkey and all the post-Ottoman states never underwent the cultural and technological revolutions of Europe, they never modernised, leading to their poor state today. It doesn't matter if the Ottomans were more tolerant than other empires in the end, because they did a lot more worse than good. That is the biggest reason that every former Ottoman state or neighbor hates Turkey, above all else.

>>79367253
>But the biggest problem with the Ottoman empire was that it was muslim. Not necessarily because islam is inherently bad, but because at that time embracing Islam meant being opposed to the West. And being opposed to the West meant that Turkey and all the post-Ottoman states never underwent the cultural and technological revolutions of Europe, they never modernised, leading to their poor state today. It doesn't matter if the Ottomans were more tolerant than other empires in the end, because they did a lot more worse than good. That is the biggest reason that every former Ottoman state or neighbor hates Turkey, above all else.
Sure, but how is Ottoman Empire to blame for that? They just happend to have the wrong religion, which made westernization very difficult for them. Had the Iberia stayed muslim, it would have been muslims who conquered the new world and got all the wealth. The Turks and Greeks would be the rich ones today and Europe would be backwards and religious

>>79365218
>Maximum enlargement of the New Russian Empire

FTFY

>>79367392
>The Turks and Greeks would be the rich ones today and Europe would be backwards and religious
That's the thing though, whoever took over Europe wouldn't have necessarily modernized or become wealthy. Wealth came due to the modernization of society stemming from the Renaissance and scientific revolution. But those things happened BECAUSE of the existence of a separate, western society that was allied by religion against Islam. The Byzantine Greeks collected, studied and held ancient greek ideals to high esteem. This sentiment and its transfer to medieval Italy was one of the reason that led to the Renaissance. But the suppression of byzantine greek culture and ancient greek study, as caused by the Ottoman Empire's conquests over the ERE would've prevented the Renaissance (or at least grealty delayed it and modernization) if it or other muslim powers had spread over the rest of Europe.

The Ottomans were doomed to be on the wrong side of history. You could make the argument that they were not as responsible as they're made out to be nowadays for the crimes of the Ottoman Empire, but support of Ottoman heritage, ideals and anti-western sentiment NOWADAYS means that they are very aware of what they're advocating. There is no excuse for that. They're just "bad" or rather "different" people that should never be allowed to be part of a union characterized as "European".

>>79367253
to be fair, it was the best situation barring the balkans being independent
austria had a penchant of mixing minorities, and r*ssia was r*ssia

>>79366504
Greece is older than Roma, you have the moral, historical and cultural right to remain Greek FIRST and foremost.

>>79367842
you do realise the greeks we wuzzed the roman empire even harder than we do

>>79367842
Of course i am greek first and foremost, but i do consider myself a roman as well.

>>79368053
WE WUZ MORE ROMANS 'N SHIT THAN YOU, NIIIIEEEEGGGGGAAAA

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>>79368362
heres a tseikei rhomaion toant

>>79368053
Because they have the right to do that too, but it doesn't work the other way around.

>>79365218
>maximum enlargement of the Deutsche-Russian empire
FIFY

>>79365218

I wouldn't mind Russia joining but they'd have to leave the asian part of the country to become some kind of frozen no man's land.

Russia's borders aren't cozy at all. At least Turkeys borders are mountainous to keep the filthy kurds out.

>>79365218
>Central Asia not included
screw you

>>79365218
>Cockroaches included
Screw you again

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>>79369632
>Even the guys from Bactria hate the turks

>>79369632

R A R E
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>>79365218
>Maximum enlargement of Russia
ftfy

>>79365786

why isn't Rhodes nor Cyprus part of Hellas in this map?

>>79373343
Because neither Cyprus (British Empire) nor Rhodos (Italy) were part of the Ottoman empire at the time? You can't quite claim the lands of your allies on a wim now, can you?