When will there be war between American countries?

Creation through destruction. It needs to happen.

>>79309247
Unlike old world retards we don't have reason to kill eachother for land.

never, we are united in christendom

never because we have god in our heart

>>79309273
This, for better or for worse our borders are pretty much settled.

>>79309322
No, I predict balkanization in the future.

Has there even been a growth of any American countries borders through means of war? Since the 19th century?

On the continent that is

>>79309437
iirc in the 1800s two states went to war over borders. Might've been Ohio and Michigan? it lasted 2 weeks and the fed government had to resolve it.

>>79309247
There has been some

>>79309377
Man, I can even see some unifications

The Netherlands once had a small conflict with Venezuela.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch%E2%80%93Venezuelan_crisis_of_1908

And they still threaten our Islands every couple years today.

>>79309437
Why are Americans so mind-numbingly retarded?

>>79309247
We can only hope South America devolved into racial wars.
>>79309545
Kys

>>79309247
There was one between peru and ecuador recently. Peruvians are warmongers actually, they would have come against us if they weren't afraid of been btfo again.

>>79309584
Shut the fuck up

>>79309377
I predict the oposite
Central america shall return to its rightful place
South American armies that may have a reason to attack can't defeat others
Neither Mexico or Canada are powerful enough to make anything on the US

This continent will se peace for the rest of its existence, putting aside crime of course

>>79309548
That whole region (venezuela, colombia, ecuador, peru, bolivia and brasil) is very very violent

>>79309584
>We can only hope South America devolved into racial wars.
haha you must be a """"wh*te"""" wishing his own death.

>>79309633
I'm Mestizo, actually >:3

Canada will be colonized by chinks giving the Chinese government claims to take it.

So theres a future war I can predict.

We are our own enemies [spoiler]And los estados judios but we cant deal with them so they dont count[/spoiler]

>>79309625
We are the only one in our region with an actual functional military (our military is not used as a mean of providing employment) but we are peacefull people.

FARC and Colombian military were literally killing each other for decades.

>>79309630
Chavez used to claim our Islands were theirs.
Chavez used to think the Netherlands was preparing an invasion of Venezuela togheter with the USA.
During MH17 (when the Netherlands was busy with Russia) Venezuela threatened to attack one of our Islands if we didn't let a high ranked drug criminal go.
Venezuela claims it's allowed to send military jets above our Islands.

>>79309675
Hermano, do you think that if we were to fight each other we would stay in the same shape militarily that we are at this point or do you think we would use our giant cock (money and resources) and better everything in one step?

>>79309273
More like you pretty much killed everyone in America so they can't have war no longer

>>79309722
Venezuela also shot down an supposedly criminal airplane in our waters.

>>79309675
I would support you

>>79309675

>We are the only one in our region with an actual functional military

Uhm, what?

>>79309722
They are bullies, but the kind that barks and when you kick them they go crying telling everyone that are been attacked. We literally have that shitshow displayed monthly from Bolivia

>>79309247
Never.

>>79309736
You can put all the money you want in an army, but human resources are key. Look at the US in vietnam, what was it the time that the soldiers trained before they sent them? Like 6 months?

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>>79309594
bolivians have the most formidable army in south america.

The last real war in the Americas that wasn't a civil war/internal conflict was the Chaco War in the 1930s.

americas > europas
new world best world

>>79309845
Once we fix it, yeah.

>>79309816

It's a nice buggy actually.

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>>79309757
México best ally

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>>79309811
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M7sUCElJK0

>>79309811
Training in Vietnam was shit, soldiers were conscripted bullet sponges. We lost 50,000 men between 1965 and 73 while casualties in Iraq from 2003 to 10 were about 3200 men (keeping in mind of course that battlefield medicine had vastly improved in the 35-40 years since Vietnam).

>>79309784
Well, I imagine that Venezuela attacking us would be the end of the regime.

>>79309816
irl they use pick up trucks ala ISIS tho

>>79309900
In our war in Indonesia we also had guerilla fighters, but fairly low casualties.
Our conscripts were used for guard and patrol duties, while the professional army performed all offensive missions.
Which worked out quite well.

>>79309896
The soldiers you sent were actually well trained, and besides, let's face it: they fought against italians

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>>79309896
Yeah that was a long time ago
>>79309882

>>79309937

Hum no, they were literal farmers. Soviet-tier.

>>79309625
No, Central America should unify, together they'd be a country with a population the size of Colombia or Argentina, strong enough to be influential and fend off any outside threats. They can combine their strenghts, make Guatemala the political capital, Costa Rica the educational and media center, Panama the financial engine, etc. A EU style type union, with the Dominican Republic added to the group could turn them within decades in a region with a high living standard, peace, influence, etc. They would become a very rich and culture. As these things go, even tho their path is clear, they are their own worst enemies, Panama and Costa Rica especially have become complacent in their success, but we Mexicans should support and encourage their union without jealousy or any pretense of participation, we do owe them that much as along with Colombia we've never been responsible towards this region as our historical duty should have demanded.

South America is their own thing and we should stay out of their way, we can't play favorites and other than helping balance things against Brazil we shouldn't try to pick winners and losers. If there's any region we should work with is the Caribean and particularly Cuba.

As for North America yes, no union will ever be possible with the US, other than trying to work more closely with Canada we are destined to stay apart from integration projects until the time comes Latin America as a whole is ready to follow on the EU footsteps. And then we need to be careful to allow our "special" relationship with the US ruin things for us as it did for the bongs.

>>79309955
Fair enough. But our current generations are very pussified in comparison. They need proper training and that takes years

>>79309937
>>79309953
Ok, keep underestimating us, but at the time of battle verás que um filho do brasil não foges à luta

>>79309976
>If there's any region we should work with is the Caribean and particularly Cuba.
For what purpose?

>>79310011

I was actually discussing this a while ago.

I asked what if a total-war breaks in the world nowadays, what would happens if the armies involved started to draft everyone?

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>>79310031
nooooo se calentó el brasuca

A get a chain a week telling me haiti will invade again, you tell me

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>>79309976
They gave up on us first
We should have projected more influence into them
And also it was Guatemala's fault when the Provinces of Central America disolved
>>79310031
*underestimates you*
Nothing personel kid

>>79310047
You mean something like WWII but also here or only in yurop?

>>79310066
If your people have any hearth you should annex that piece of shit and at least leave it in your condition, end their suffering
btw how are the hurricanes going?

>>79310011
Wars today only last 2-3 weeks, only our professional army (officers, NCO and career soldiers) would take part. We wouldn't need massive drafts

>>79310104

Everywhere. I think here there would be still some people who would. Now in developed nations, i'm not sure.

>>79310129
>Wars today only last 2-3 weeks

We'll see about that when World War III starts in Korea in a few months.

>>79310130
The thing is the average european kid has barely been exposed to violence so that would be even funny to watch. Here in America it would be a fucking blood bath.

>>79310039
For integration and mutual benefit, Cuba is in a special position much like ourselves and we want to avoid their becoming Puerto Rico part 2 once the current regime is out of power.

In more prosaic terms they're a natural market forn us and much like Central America a sphere of influence we need to cultivate. Mexico needs to exercise soft power, through development and humanitarian assistance, it helps us and it also helps the region which is then not entirely dependant on the USA. Mind you I mean the Island Caribbean only, not the Guyanas or EU territories.

>>79310047
No army on earth can reach this continent
Not only the US has patrol over the entirety of this place
Our isolation from all other powers will always protect us
But also ourselves can contribute and the era of the mega navies and mega armies is long gone

>>79310192

We should take S.America for us senpai :^)

>>79310191
Not happening. Both Trump and Kim are obnoxious (you) hunters

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>>79310212

Not Army, now Air-Force and Navies can and any Navy with minimal capaibilities are able to. Not saying that will everh happen, even if it does we'll already know.

>>79310078
They chose independence, we should respect that, for better or for worse they're non Mexicans. That doesn't mean that as a large power in the region, and particularly as a Latin country, we can wash our hands off them. Idealism aside a prosperous Central America is in our best interest for business, security, migration, etc.

>>79309273
>Unlike old world retards we don't have reason to kill eachother for land.
eisenhower literally overthrew the government of guatemala for a banana company because that government was talking about introducing worker's rights violations

please remember that

>>79310321
The US no longer has that kind of power, even if they wanted to they're not competent enough.

>>79310374
Offer proof of that to avoid larping
>Fast and furious was a complete shit show

>>79310408
Trump's wall is the best example, they don't have the means to make us pay for that.

>>79310374
they literally still hold colonies (guam & puerto rico), have overthrown the afghan gov't, overthrown the libyan gov't, nearly single-handedly stopped the UN from officially denouncing the israeli settlements in palestinian territory, and Ecuador, East Timor, El Salvador, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Palau, Turks and Caicos, British Virgin Islands, and Zimbabwe all run on the american dollar

it is no longer about their ability, but discretion

>>79310462

Explain Syria, they had 4 years before the Russians step in.

>>79310483
syria backfired because they didn't go all in, and lacked control of the anti-gov't factions, which led to weak rebel factions which were overrun by ISIS
since ISIS was seen by the entire world as the worse of two evils, they couldn't be seen focusing on taking down Assad when that shit was going on
also, Syria was a little too close to Israel to let things get too out of hand, which IMO is why their interventionism was so weak here compared to other similar cases

>>79310078
Maybe we'd have problems with Mexico because of geography. But we would beat anyone else in South America.

>>79310462
Guam and Puerto rico are net sinkholes for the American taxpayer, so is Afghanistan where they fucked up and can't get out of, the Lybians freed themselves (America did actually act as a responsible world power on that one, give or take) the UN is basically symbolic stuff, it's easy to singlehandedly stop the security council when you have a veto, however they've been fighting a losing battle on that front and are just stalling for time, and countries running on the American dollar doesn't do shit for the US. Can they today overthrow a democatically elected government in Latin America? No, they can't even act in Venezuela with all major powers in the continent wanting Maduro out. It's just to expensive for them and I don't think Americans have apetite for another nation building project.

>>79309247
USA has had a War on Drugs with every country south of the border since the 80's

>>79310572

And now they are pulling out their spies and other IS leaders from Syria. Their only chance of overthrowing assad are the Kurds, which they literally have no allies in the area and are surrounded by regional powers like Turkey, Iran and SKA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXDTTjgs8nY

>>79310123
We've done enough for them. It's not like we're a rich country either, that would just drag us down further lol. Even way back, the people on our side have never been interested in Haiti and have never attempted to expand beyond our clay. They don't really have anything we'd want in regards to resources or cultural wealth. They have the shitty part of the island, less suitable for agriculture and they have like no water. Unless they find oil, then we can talk lol

>>79310595
>he Lybians freed themselves (America did actually act as a responsible world power on that one, give or take)

Removing Qadaffi was the idea of European leaders, they wanted him gone and Obama just went "LOLok."

>>79310572
Nah man, they trained ISIS, same way they trained Al Qaeda, same way they trained the Taliban. At some point you have to admit they're doing something wrong. The one people who would have been loyal to them, the Kurds, they just abandoned because Trump apparently gets a boner everytime Putin's name comes up.

>>79310595
>It's just to expensive for them
literally nothing is too expensive for them, watch a couple budget comittees to see how absurd they are with federal funds
>I don't think Americans have apetite for another nation building project.
so public opinion? like i was saying, the main factor hindering them isn't hard power, it's soft power, which is why discretion is the factor to determine whether or not they "intervene,"
it's not that they can't, it's just that another war is just political suicide

>>79310637
yeah i agree in syria's case, the US interventionism runs by making controlled regional chaos, the only problem is that they weren't willing to do enough to control it in Syria's case

>>79310576
Are you baiting or just deluded?

>>79310576
And with Chile gl climbing the andes with an army
And amusing you don't have any refuelling points near enough to us and you carrier is no more, we could just engage you near our cost line and you will never even land

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>>79310614
You weren't selling them at low enough prices?

>>79310614
Nixon did in fact officially declare the war on drugs in 1970

>>79310646
You guys are in a tough spot and get little simpathy from the rest of the world I get that. But you have to stop being so fucking racist ffs

>>79310660
Europe decided to go along with the Arab spring, that fruit vendor setting himself on fire wasn't a foreign intelligence operation. Anyway all things considered Lybia is pulling through.

>>79310696
You're deluded if you think you can beat a country as big as brazil as rich as brazil (as a country)
MONEY and RESOURCES

>>79310693
>literally nothing is too expensive for them, watch a couple budget comittees to see how absurd they are with federal funds

Wrongo. Even when Reagan ramped up US defense spending in the 80s, it never came close to Soviet defense spending; Congress wouldn't conceivably approve of that in peacetime and actually defense spending declined every year from 1985 to 2000.

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>>79310769
We only need to target your dehydrated sopa de macaco supply line and it's game over for you

>>79310693
Political suiocide is the very definition of they can't, of course it largely is American public opinion that matters here, they may have sunk to some banana republic lows but they're still a working democracy. And yeah, half a trillion dollars for venezuela with a Republican controlled congress held hostage by the freedom caucus is it's too fucking expensive, Trump isn't going to fight for that, he wants money for his wall.

>>79310576
Lol what, you can't even manage a carrier properly and you think you can beat entire South America

>>79310822
check mate

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>>79309247
Soon, God willing, we will elect an anti-american president and begin work on "El Muro de Trump", a Maginot line extending from coast to coast.

>>79310823
>Political suiocide is the very definition of they can't
you kidding me? a president in his second term can be more dangerous than kim jong un, because they have nothing to lose
obama just generally had a sense of a conscience, which is absurdly rare in american politics

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>>79310870
ITS TIME

>>79310784
It worked out well though; we built up the military just enough to kick Moscow over the edge. Eduard Shevardnadze remarked that "Brezhnev never spent more on defense than we could afford." During the 80s however, the buildup of the US military caused the Soviets to overspend themselves and finally crack.

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>>79310891
TO WAR
ONE LAST TIME

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>>79310883
>obama just generally had a sense of a conscience

>>79310913
But they got up again and the US is having political and social problems

>>79310962
How did Russia get up again? It's a giant gas station with $150 a month wages.

>>79310870
I'll take 'Complete waste of money and resources' for 400

>>79310883
I think we can both agree we should hope Trump never gets a second term. The main check on a US president during term 2 is his legacy, even George W managed to look presidential going near the end, it was the most any American government has ever supported Africa for instance. There's no telling what a second term for Trump would be like but in all fairness the guy does suck at getting things done and you know the golf trips would become even more frequent.

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>>79311030

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>>79309474
>war
I dont even think anyone died, plus we won the U.P.

and argintina tried expanding in the 1980's they suck ass though, so no

>>79309584
>racial wars in a heavily mixed continent
do people in memejico care about race? Is american influence THAT big over there? or is it just autists in forums?

>>79311697
It's mostly just autists in the forum, normies do have the same preferences and biases anywhere else in Latin America but it's pretty much an unconcious thing

>>79311736
here is infinitely more of a class thing than a race thing. The way a person dress, how clean he looks, non-villero slang and stuff like that

>>79309273
Wait what if you give some land to those in Balkan and let them move over. THings would be fixed in an instant right? Am I a genius

>>79309247
i dont know about SA but it will be a chilly day in hell before the US gives up control of north america

>>79309247
at most, chile vs bolivia and/or peru. maybe el salvador vs honduras.

the others are too cool to do anything vs the others.

>>79311856
Same thing here, so much so people like t say race isn't a problem here but classism (as if it was any better) but then let's be honest, there is a very strong correlation in between class and skin color.

>>79312040
We are not attacking anyone, but both peruvian and bolivian leaders start with their anti chilean shit whenever their popularity goes down, which is every 2 years.

>>79312142
I know - it's way easier for bolivians or peruvians to attack you than the opposite

>>79309437
Yeah I think so....a country named the USA?

>american education system

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Because we are actually civilized countries and don't start wars just for land every couple of years ...

>>79311697
That one guy is just a fucking idiot.

>>79311697
Oh, are you really so dense to think racial mixing leads to less racism?
>>79312366
I'm not the guy who thinks Panama and Costa Rica would want a fucking union with the rest of Central America? Haha

>>79312442
What the fuck are you even talking about right now you idiot? But to be honest, I don't expect that much