>this is all that stands between America and their neo-imperialist

Remember when we annexed Crimea

>>79187770
whites are so cute

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>>79187796
Remember when lied to the world and invaded the Middle East

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>>79187889
especially the girls

>>79188016
We don't have to lie. We can invade anyone we want.

Also you'll recall we gave them the country back after we got tired of killing them.

>>79188016
>killing mudslime terrorists
>annexing sovereign territory in order to rebuild your lost union

Which one of these is worse...

>>79188043
yeah, whatever.

>>79188055
I don't know... just compare how many people died in Iraq with how many people died in Crimea.

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The average cannonfodder looks like this

>>79188105
>people
Nah

>>79188093
Are you gay

>>79188105
10 000 so far.

>>79187770
Russian system of governance is the worst in the world. Russians would benefit greatly if American would just establish an occupational government similar to in Germany after WW2. Russia is a horrible neighbour while USA is a great neighbour.

>>79188052
Yeah, thanks for proving OPs point.

>>79188133
yeah

>>79188192
This. I'm sick of the stupid Russiaboo threads there.

>>79188055
>sovereign territory
no one of ex-soviets are legit
elites were too hungry for power and ignored people's will to save union

>>79188105
>people
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Turk spotted

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>>79188132
K

>>79188192
6 people died in Crimea, 3 of whom were Russians

>guy on the far right
>"u avin a giggle?"

>>79187770
A Third World shithole with 1980s weaponry that can barely even carry out a couple of bombing runs in Syria?

>>79188257
10 000 so far. The Russian invasion is an ongoing event.

>>79188233
See what I mean? Russians are hungry for your land, we just kill fuckig hajis in their own countries without annexing them

>>79188257
>6 people died in Crimea, 3 of whom were Russians

3 people, r*ssians aren't people

>>79188291
No Crimeans died due to military activity since 2014. That was the only time Russia directly invaded Ukraine.
Donbass is a whole different story and has nothing to do with a full-scale invasion. So you are wrong.

>>79188372
It's the same thing. Russians attacked Ukraine without a reason and some areas were pounded worse by Russian rocket artillery than others. So you're wrong, Iwan.

usa is bad but russia is worse

russia is shit

fuck off r*ssiaboos

>>79188457
Russia didn't invade Donbass. Russia supports the rebels with weapons and shit, but it didn't invade.

>>79188294
>Russians are hungry for your land
>completely ignore that post soviet leaders are nothing but usurpators

>the countries that border Russia have a more realistic view of Russia

really make's U think...

It will be fine if Russia falls apart fuck.

>>79188533
?
Belarus, Kazakhstan, China, Azerbaijan, Mongolia and North Korea get along with Russia very well

>>79188512
It's a RF army operation. They invaded their neighbour without a reason and shitted the lives of 40 million people for Surkoff's (Dudayev) luxury duck houses basically.

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>>79188533

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>>79188043
We must not allow American pigs to harm that qtie

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>>79188533
It's always like this. But even tho I live nowadays further away from R*ssia than ever before I still don't forget what a corrupted shithole R*ussia is and even despite this problem with immigrants, Sweden is still 1000 times better country than R*ssia.

>>79188586
Their governments do, ask the people what they think

>>79187770
A bunch of imperial dykes?

>>79188608
>Surkoff's (Dudayev)
privet diaspora
pishi pa russki cho kak ne rodnoy

>>79188658
That """qtie""" is total whore as all russian girls

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>>79188233
>people's will to save union

>>79188608
>without a reason
Listen, I think that annexing Crimea was the wrong thing to do. But in his defense, Putin was kinda provoked into doing that because he needed to secure his Black Sea fleet from a Nato expansion

>>79188586
getting along basically means submitting to russia's will. if you don't do as they say well see what happened to ukraine.
relations between belarus and russia have been deteriorating in the past year as well

>>79188680
Nobody hates Russia is Kazakhstan, Mongolia, China etc. They don't have beef with each other.

>>79188740
>But in his defense, Putin was kinda provoked into doing that because he needed to secure his Black Sea fleet from a Nato expansion

Well, he sure did a bang-up job because after Ossetia and Crimea, nobody is going to talk about disbanding NATO for the next 40 years.

>>79188702
rukiveer ruski soldat

Siinä koko mun paletti. Venäläinen korruptio on tuttua myös muualla. Surkoffin statsit löytyy wikistä. Olen suomalainen joka suuntaan n. 15 polvessa.

>>79188680
yeah its americans again who knows better what other people think

>>79188762
The whole situation in Ukraine could have easily been avoided if they'd just waited for the proposed re-elections. But they decided to kick Yanukovick out instead

>>79188740
Russia has black sea access. NATO can't attack Russia. Russia has nukes.

>>79188823
Yanukovich was nowhere to be found. They had elections.

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parts of russian culture seem nice
I like the aesthetics of their military
I wouldn't want to live there ever
I really don't like their politics

>>79188762
>getting along basically means submitting
Damn, USA vassals have it hard.

>>79188780
Nato expanded closer to the Russian border even though they promosed not to, and now they were about to gain direct access to the Russian Black Sea Fleet (Crimea) and Putin felt the urge to respond and set a boundary to the West. I'm not trying to justify this move but I do understand his intentions

>>79188823
And that was Ukraine's internal matter, no business of Russia. If there's some political instability in the neighboring country you just don't go there making referendums. Imagine what happens if everyone acted like Russia.

Just amazes me that people don't see anything wrong annexing part of a sovereign country. If Crimea wants to join Russia it should become from Ukraine, not as an illegal referendum

>>79188927
>you just don't go there making referendums
Of course. You go there to bomb civilians. Such is the NATO way.

>>79188789
no need to pretend you're already make it too obvious

>>79188870
He got illegally kicked out of office. Crimea was annexed when there was a provisional government, which was unconstitutional. The re-elections were held later

>>79188924
Russia also promised not to annex any of the surrounding countries

>>79188971
You know you're when only the counter argument is whataboutism.

>>79188924
>Nato expanded closer to the Russian border even though they promised not to

The Butthurt Belt asked us to expand NATO and so we did.

except america is already neo-imperialist
so technically even if they do exist they didn't stand between but rather stood aside

>>79189009
>muh whataboutism
Nice argument.

I have mixed feelings for their camo.

It looks good and aesthetic, but doest it really work in their environment?

>>79189015
And Crimeans asked us to save them from Ukraine.

>>79189042
Yeah, you're the one using it.

>>79189015
eltsyn asked you too
what you gave him?

>>79188924
No such promises were made.

>>79188991
He never challenged that in courts. Maybe you should make a case for that in Ukraine and save big boy Yanu.

>>79188985
Get triggered all you want but I'm Finnish. It's Putin, Surkoff, Medvedev etc. stealing RF assets, not me.

>>79188927
I already said that in my opinon taking Crimea was wrong, I just said that I can understand Russia's point of view.
By the way, as soon as Ukraine literally started shelling Russia's cities, Putin practically had all rights to invervene
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Donetsk,_Russia

>>79189065
You mean """"asked us"""?

>>79189068
>no u
Keep'em coming.

>>79189088
>By the way, as soon as Ukraine literally started shelling Russia's cities
Yeah that always seems to happen. Smaller country always shelling Russia

Russia colonized white people with threats of nuking because they're retarded subhuman chink mongrels. No one wanted to be in the union then and no one wants to be in a union now, not even your """""allies""""".

America hasn't even nearly caused the kind of destruction Russia has. And no, I couldn't give a fuck about some heroin smuggling muslim goatfucker in the desert or communist chink in the jungle.

>>79189086
>No such promises were made.

>>79189088
Russian invasion had started months beofre that.

>>79188704
then why won't they fuck you?

>>79188586

>Belarus

because they are Russians

>Kazakhstan

because they're like 20% Russian and have to pander

>China

Are you dumb? China gets along with Russia for the purposes of opposing America. China hates Russia and will seize Siberia the second it gets the chance.

>Azerbaijan

the fuck am i reading...

>DPRK

Wow, what a great example!

>>79189086
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/nato-s-eastward-expansion-did-the-west-break-its-promise-to-moscow-a-663315.html

>>79189143
I know, I'm just saying that they had a justification since then

>>79189121
>retarded subhuman chink mongrels
>that flag
hmmmmm

>>79189121
>No one wanted to be in the union then
explain your leadership in number of party members per capita

>>79189149
>China gets along with Russia for the purposes of opposing America

Actually it's about milking Russia's resources and obtaining military hardware since we have an arms embargo on China since 1989. However, Russia still won't actually help them build up their defense capabilities. They'll sell them pre-made gear, but not info on how to build it.

>>79189161
Russia also breaked several treaties. Russia promised this and that like promising to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity when Ukraine was giving up their nukes

>>79189149
>China hates Russia
Lol, that's what CNN tells you these days?

>>79189193
Call your people back. Oh they won't come? I wonder why? Is it because of the beautiful Estonian nature which got really close to their hearts in the last 60 years?

>>79189219

>says RT

CNN is dogshit by the way, nobody watches it except millenials and college yuppies.

>>79189214
>whataboutism
Every time

>>79189214
Yes but Nato broke them first xd

>>79189255
>muh whataboutism
Nice argument.

>>79189201
Are you seriously implying your militarily installed puppet party member occupants, who replaced killed and exiled politicians had any kind of legitimacy in deciding this country's affairs? You're even stupider than I thought.

>>79189229
My people? They live in their own country. The one they lived in for hundreds of years.

>>79189161
It didn't.

>>79189192
This is some proofster tier mind gymnastics.

For it to be a "justification" it should have happened before the invasion. Are you daft?

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>>79189296
Fuck off ruskie

>>79189282
>militarily installed puppet party member occupants
That's a strange way to describe your fellow estonians.

>>79189149
>China hates Russia and will seize Siberia the second it gets the chance.
You brainwashed fucking mongrel. Stop applying the cancerous modus operandi of your nation upon others. China isn't an expansionist nation, get that through your thick fucking skull already.

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>>79189337
The r*ssians will answer for their evil deeds.

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>throw shit in russia
>its always butthurt diaspora neither authentic foreigners

>>79188126
Can you please stop.

>>79189339
>China isn't an expansionist nation
t. chang
What about south china sea? Or Doklam plateau

>>79189219
Latest poll shows that 74% of the Chinese view Russia's influece positively and only 19% negatively. So no, there is practically no anti-Russian sentiment among the Chinese population.
Russia and China have both created the SCO and signed an agreement to challenge the "dominance of western media". Their relations are just fine

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The most shameful and lying country.

>>79189282
why do you leaded so enthusiastically ?
why don't be calm as armenia for example?

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>>79189296
>The one they lived in for hundreds of years.

top fucking kek

Russians had no business here except some merchants in Reval. This country was ruled by Baltic Germans and inhabited by Estonian peasants. Literally off yourself wewuznigger. The Russians we have now are your factory workers and poor trash who were starving and came here after you opened our borders after WW2 to your subhumania.

You are literally so butthurt over losing Eastern Europe that you're willing to back a chink world takeover and get chink'd again yourself in the process.

>>79189391
>inb4 "it's all lies", "fake news", "russian hackers hacked the polls"
Westerners are brainwashed and delusional, m8

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>>79189354
Russia fully deserves all the shit in her direction.
Russia should bathe in this shit.

>>79189391
>Russia and China have both created the SCO and signed an agreement to challenge the "dominance of western media"

And what would they replace it other than totalitarian propaganda media?

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china/russia/turkey/pakistan/iran/qatar

We're fucked

>>79189339

>south china sea
>tibet
>xinjiang
>bhutanese/indian territory
>various islands that put it in conflict with japan, philippines, indonesia, and others

You have to go back, chink.

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>>79189418
Because you destroyed the Estonia.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/24/russia-nato-expansion-memory-grievances

>>79188055
>secular regimes are now terrorists
>implying a referendum wasn't held and the people of Crimea (and Donbass) didn't want to join Russia
Stop swallowing CNNs semen

>>79189450
When Morsi's government fell in Egypt, so did our big line about ~defending democracy~, we just got right in bed with the dictator and everyone saw it

>>79189310
>I present an entire news article that proves my point
>all you can come up with is "it didn't"
Stop wasting my time you subhuman

How come its always foreigners defending Russia way more than actual Russians do? Rabid diaspora? Romanticized image?

>>79189457
It's also their fault we can't just go in and squish that midget and his nuclear missiles.

>>79189419
>Russians had no business here
Except for, you know, ruling what is now Estonia for hundreds of years, creating everything you have now in the process.
>subhumania
You are in no position to call anyone subhuman, let alone Russians.
>You are literally so butthurt
The only one who is butthurt here is you. Perpetually.

>>79189495
Russians here are rather self-hating, it's like /pol/ in reverse

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>>79189495
It's simple: they did not live in Russia.

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>>79189527
Fuck you ruskie scun

>>79189485
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2014/11/06/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/24/russia-nato-expansion-memory-grievances

>However, the numerous agreements and treaties of the day contained not a single word about NATO expansion in Eastern Europe.
It was a brilliant article, low IQ Iwan.

>>79189527
All Russia has ever done is steal from its neighbours. Without Russia EE would be rich.

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>>79189527
>creating everything you have now in the process

Everything you touch, dies.

>>79189495
Diaspora are always infinitely more patriotic/nationalistic than people who actually live in the cunt in question. For example, Chubek hated Iran and wanted the fuck out of there, but there are any number of deranged Iranian diaspora who show up to defend the place.

Russia is hell. We should just invade Russia and divide Siberia equally.

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I hate it. I hate it. I hate it.

>>79189603
>Now that increasing numbers of formerly secret documents from 1989 and 1990 have made their way into the public domain, historians can shed new light on this controversy. The evidence demonstrates that contrary to the conventional wisdom in Washington, the issue of NATO’s future in not only East Germany but also eastern Europe arose soon after the Berlin Wall opened, as early as February 1990. U.S. officials, working closely with West German leaders, hinted to Moscow during negotiations that month that the alliance might not expand, not even to the eastern half of a soon-to-be-reunited Germany.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2014-08-11/broken-promise

>>79189663
Everything we touch prospers. You are still riding on what Russians gave to you hundreds of years ago.

>>79189714
See this >>79189552 stupid idiot

you can only give shit

>>79189711
>hinted
>might not
>no agreement
Lol, you're so fcuking dumb, Iwan. Gorba said no promises were made. You might think he would know.

The only fact here is that Russia attacked without a reason.

>>79189714
I hope you die of AIDS, like the rest of r*ssia

>>79189768
The last time Russia attacked anyone was more than a hundred years ago.

>>79189714
You're still riding what Finnish Rurik gave to Ukrainians hundreds of years ago.

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AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

>>79189836
Wrong.

>>79189768
>What the US secretary of state said on Feb. 9, 1990 in the magnificent St. Catherine's Hall at the Kremlin is beyond dispute. There would be, in Baker's words, "no extension of NATO's jurisdiction for forces of NATO one inch to the east," provided the Soviets agreed to the NATO membership of a unified Germany. Moscow would think about it, Gorbachev said, but added: "any extension of the zone of NATO is unacceptable."

Kill yourself now.

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>>79189837
>Finnish Rurik gave to Ukrainians
This is what peak wewuzing looks like

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>>79189836
Stop infecting Estonia with AIDS, dirty ruskie

>>79189866
Nice counter-argument.

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>Be russian sailor
>Give away your position via instagram

lol

>>79189923
i bet he like seamen :D

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>>79189144

>>79189923
What a rotting hulk. Yeesh, no wonder the Kursk sunk like it did.

>>79189867
Baker can't make agreements for the whole NATO and therefore an agreement on it was not made. Gorba said no agreement was made, low IQ Iwan.

There should at least be something along the lines of what Russia promised Ukraine when they gave up nukes. Even that has been contested since by Russia that it wasn't an agreement. What you have is minutes from ongoing meetings, not final agreements. That memorandum by the way said that Russia wouldn't attack.

You're in the ropes, low IQ iwan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUeOkjFF0P4

>>79189904
>>79189878
Good replies for Russian delusions.

>>79190001
They probably sent him to go see the Kursk after this little picture

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>>79189923
>be american sailor
>die

>>79190016
No official agreements were made, but there where verbal promises. Everything I said was true, and you utter retard dindn't even read the 2nd page of the link I've posted.

>low IQ low IQ low IQ low IQ low IQ low IQ low IQ low IQ low IQ low IQ low IQ low IQ low IQ low IQ low IQ low IQ low IQ low IQ low IQ low IQ

oh my god you're so pathetic hahahahahah

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>>79190069
>be russian submariner
>drowned

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>>79190069
>Be Russian submarine
>Just fucking implode

lol

>>79190016
oh and kollegah is pretty based leave him alone

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>signing agreements with Russia

>>79190116
Low IQ Iwan is loosing it.

>No official agreements were made, but there where verbal promises
>No official agreements
This is not your family's stolen tyres shop where you operate on cash and verbal agreement basis. NATO is a formal alliance where everything needs to be written out. Gorba said no verbal agreement was made, low IQ Iwan.

Take your meds.

>>79189867
>Now, 20 years later, Gorbachev is still outraged when he is asked about this episode. "One cannot depend on American politicians," he told SPIEGEL. Baker, for his part, now offers a different interpretation of what he said in 1990, arguing that he was merely referring to East Germany, which was to be given a special status in the alliance -- nothing more.
ayy

>>79188257
Hmmm kind of like the Sudetenland and Austria. That ended well.

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>>79190208
>not recognize soviet government
>recognize it's actions when its benefits you

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>>79190160
>>79190312
:^)

>>79190312
Wrong.

>>79190208
>Soviet Union = Russia
mkay

>>79190357
shut up ivan

>>79190382
I'm Finnish.

>>79190255
Yes, verbal promises and not official agreements. Just like I originally said (>>79188924)
They didn't break any law but they still broke their promise which was a total dick move. That was my entire point. Why are you so fucking agressive, did your grandpa lose his toe in the Winter War or what

Can we all agree that both are America and Russia are shit?

without Russia America would fucked this world even more and without America Russia would have invaded its Neighbors without anyone opposing them

Wish there was a way to get rid of both

>>79190408
No. Nuke Russia only

America gave you Internet for shitposting

>>79190295
>le epic nazi references
kys

>>79188512
>Russia didn't invade Donbass. Russia supports the rebels with weapons and shit, but it didn't invade
There were Russian troops beyond the border, Putin even admitted to Russian volunteer and there were some near impossible break troughs that wouldn't have been impossible without direct Russian involvement.

>>79190373
It was Soviet Russia when you invaded.

>>79190402
no finn would eat shit ex-soviets do

>>79190463
>Putin even admitted to Russian volunteer
Volunteers ≠ real troops

>>79190466
Russia stopped exisitng in 1917.

>>79190403
Minutes from meetings aren't agreements between states. Gorba said that even verbal ones didn't exist.

It's a good thing for people living near Russia that they get in NATO. Otherwise Russians might start killing them. Russia is the only dick move here.

NATO can't even attack Russia. Russia has nukes. The only reason why Russia didn't want NATO expansion is that they can't murder EEs whenever they want. It's a very good thing and you as a human being should be very happy about that, unless you're some sort of Russia.

>>79188924
>Nato expanded closer to the Russian border even though they promosed not to,
Never happened, that's an RT tier myth there was once conversation with a U.S. diplomat were it was discussed but nothing agreed to. The countries close to Russia that joined requested membership and Putin just reinforced their reason to join.

>>79190408
Not really. You can always negotiate with Americans and they don't give a shit if you don't start literally threatening them. Russians however will attack even if you're just minding your own business.

>>79190535
NATO is an imperialistic, aggressive alliance. Everyone who is a member of it is a murderer and a criminal.

>>79190440
What about the British? They have helped on creating the Internet

Even if America didn't exist the internet would have been fully created by the British

>>79188991
>He got illegally kicked out of office.
He fucking fled to Russia undoubtedly with some of their treasury. He also publicly stated he was against the annexation. Does anyone know what he's even doing now?

>>79190628
Wrong. That's Russia.

>>79190679
Nope, that's NATO. The biggest alliance of war criminals in the history of mankind. How does it feel, to be a villain?

>>79190597
Read this thread before replying man

>>79189065
>And Crimeans asked us to save them from Ukraine.
Even if it was 100% true, it still violated agreements by Russia. I doubt if they still had their nukes Crimea would have been annexed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

>>79190679
>>79190716
Both kinda imperialistic, I wish we could all get along

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>>79189663
oh, its "kill all russians" estonian pretending he was victim again

>>79190743
>Even if it was 100% true
It IS true though

But it's also true that the referendum was illegal

>>79190745
The whole of NATO is to destroy Russia. There is no getting along to be had.

>>79190605
That's not the case for Iraq and Libya though

Iraq wasn't doing anything after the gulf war but they got blamed for having WMDs which was a lie

>>79190788
I mean the West and Russia in general. Fuck Nato

>>79190806
NATO is the West. Russia and the West will always be enemies.

>In early February 1990, U.S. leaders made the Soviets an offer. According to transcripts of meetings in Moscow on Feb. 9, then-Secretary of State James Baker suggested that in exchange for cooperation on Germany, U.S. could make “iron-clad guarantees” that NATO would not expand “one inch eastward.” Less than a week later, Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev agreed to begin reunification talks. No formal deal was struck, but from all the evidence, the quid pro quo was clear: Gorbachev acceded to Germany’s western alignment and the U.S. would limit NATO’s expansion.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-shifrinson-russia-us-nato-deal--20160530-snap-story.html

>>79189161
Nice b.s. no agreement ever existed and the fact that Russia can't provide an agreement is the best evidence of this.

http://www.nato.int/docu/review/2014/Russia-Ukraine-Nato-crisis/Nato-enlargement-Russia/EN/index.htm

https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2016/12/16/the-myth-of-russian-aggression-and-nato-expansion

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1162/ISEC_a_00236&ved=0ahUKEwjyn6yo-pHWAhUHbhQKHUG1BjUQFggtMAM&usg=AFQjCNFkaAteVrPbYoICtolVM4PwepG5ng

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/24/russia-nato-expansion-memory-grievances

>>79189219
>Lol, that's what CNN tells you these days?
I don't think they hate Russia and I don't think I've ever seen that on CNN but I don't think they are a "friend", It's more of they can get what they want from you for now (and yes we have allies like that too).

>>79190876
Nobody was ever talking about an official agreement, it was about promises, holy shit read through this thread before posting faggot, I swear to god Nato shills are the dumbest people I've ever interacted with

>>79190876
In case you didn't read it: In early February 1990, U.S. leaders made the Soviets an offer. According to transcripts of meetings in Moscow on Feb. 9, then-Secretary of State James Baker suggested that in exchange for cooperation on Germany, U.S. could make “iron-clad guarantees” that NATO would not expand “one inch eastward.” Less than a week later, Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev agreed to begin reunification talks. No formal deal was struck, but from all the evidence, the quid pro quo was clear: Gorbachev acceded to Germany’s western alignment and the U.S. would limit NATO’s expansion.

Anyway I'm leaving this thread now because it's too late

>>79189495
Probably, the same reason 2nd generation Muslims in Europe become terrorists. They know nothing of the country their parents come from other than the odd vacations and feel like outcasts in their birth countries so they romanticize their perceived glorious homeland/culture.

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>Americans ITT are trying to defend the Iraq war

>>79190447
Nice argument.

>>79190718
Pull your head out of your ass and face reality you moron. You can't even face factual information but rely on unproven bullshit as reality.

>>79191081
>Americans ITT are trying to defend the Iraq war
That was a few people (or one person at the beggining of the thread). No one defends that with what we know now. On the other hand I'm glad Sadam's dead.

Kill Russian pigs.

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>>79188762
>getting along basically means submitting to russia's will. if you don't do as they say well see what happened to ukraine.
You just described America's foreign policy.

>>79191207
>official documents & transcripts
>unproven bullshit
kek. also, how nice that you're replying to my posts just after I said that I'm leaving this thread. You really wanna have the last word, don't you?
cya loser

>>79191270
Why? What did he do to you?