Spanish balkanization status: 2017

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>>79055031
>Catalonia: Yes 50.2% No 45.7%
Imposible que el número sea tan bajo. Pero como sea cierto y el referedum de Cataluña se gane por un 5% de votos esto va a ser Villarisas.

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Irrelevant

Valencia is rightful Catalan clay. VISCA CATALUNA

>>79055031
>Basque Country: Yes: 68.1% No 30.8%
wew

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dubs decides in what year spain will officialy cease to exist

>>79056297
NEVER

>>79055031
Por qué España tiene tantos independentistas?, la gente allá odia por algún motivo la existencia de un país unido?

>>79056445
España es un país artificial que ha basado su existencia en la expansión de una mezcla de cultura castellanoandaluza sobre el resto de naciones ibéricas por medio de la asimilación.

>>79056445
Corrupción e imbéciles que se creen la propaganda que haya. Si hay una guerra a lo Yugoslavia, espero que tengamos buenas canciones.

>>79056705
Suena como literalmente casi todos los países del mundo

I thought all catalonians were independence larpers?

>>79056740
Sí, pero los castellanos son unos inútiles y ni para asimilar sirven.

>>79056705
>mezcla de cultura castellanoandaluza
Degeneración de una cultura andaluza de habla castellana*
FTFY, catanigger. Madrid y Sevilla no tienen NADA que ver más que la lengua, e incluso eso es debatible.

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>>79056804
>Un no-castellano soltando mierda de Castilla
Recuérdame, por favor, ¿qué ha hecho de provecho tu "nación"?

>>79056857
Así a bote pronto se me ocurre el Siglo de Oro valenciano y un estilo de arte renacentista único en Europa, mientras vuestra civilizada Castilla daba al mundo enfermedades diarréicas y indios.

>>79056811
Esto. Normalmente el folk Castellano es parecido a esto https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBbaLYFTP_E y no al puto flamenco de los huevos.

Can this thread be in English please? I'm very interested in separatism in Spain but I can't read Spanish :x

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>>79056955
>"el Siglo de Oro valenciano y un estilo de arte renacentista único en Europa, mientras vuestra civilizada Castilla daba al mundo enfermedades diarréicas y indios."
>intentado equiparar ese """"arte"""" al Siglo de oro de Castilla
Madre del amor hermoso, Furlencia ha entrado al nivel de gimnasia mental de los negros.
>"un estilo único en europa"
¿Y tú te crees que el estilo Castellano ha sido repetido en Europa, cacho infrahumano? A ver cuánta arquitectura hay por Europa del estilo del Madrid antiguo.

>>79056955
Osea que vosotros estabais haciendo una puta mierda en vuestras casitas asquerosas como unos autistas mientras los Castellanos conquistaban medio mundo. Por cierto, Valencia =/= Catalufolandia

>>79056445

Yo soy independentista, pero quiero la independencia de mi nación por amor a esta, no por odio a España. Además de que creo que nos iría mejor por nuestra cuenta.
Para mi España siempre será un país amigo, pero no pertenecemos a él.

>>79055759
La gente de Andalucía y Extremadura traída a Catalunya por Franco justamente para poner los catalanes como minoría en su territorio.

We probably want more to be part of Spain than Catalonia

>>79057347
Pero esas segundas generaciones son indepes también. Mira a David Fernández.

>>79057140
esto.
De todas formas, estaría dispuesto a aceptar una confederación Ibérica donde cada estado tuviese una competencias cuasi absolutas, pero para eso hay antes que hacer desaparecer España

>>79057133
nosotros*

Iberian Union when, my fellow Iberian brethren?

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>>79057383
I'd rather have the Iberian Wedding with Portugal than with Aragón. We would've explored the whole world. Plus, the territories of the Crown of Aragón (Cataluña and Valencia) have done nothing but give us problems.

>>79057453
Hubiera estado bien, pero ya es tarde. No hay más que ver en este foro como muchos españoles son centralistas y proasimilación. Como para hacerlo funcionar a nivel estatal. Qué va. La independencia tiene más probabilidades de pasar que una federación o confederación.

>>79055759
Invalid responses to the polls (often from protest of the poll itself or other such things), even if every invalid was a "No" then it would still be behind "Yes", which is clear unless you can't do basic arithmetic

>>79057741
They give you like half you economt because you depopulated everything in Castile except Madrid in an effort to colonize America

>>79057964
Shut up, chicano. An Iberian Union with Portugal would have been 200x better than with occitaniggers. They have spent the past 200 years complaining like children.

>>79058022
I'm not even hispanic I can just literally use google

If you hate them so much just genocide them

>>79055031
>Canary Islands: No 63% Yes 21%
lol

>>79057133
Pero qué obsesión tenéis con Cataluña. Estáis enfermos.

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Perfect map

>>79057067
then learn it?
personally I'm in here to pick up some Spanish

>>79058755
>Despedazar Portugal
¿Por qué? Portugal ya es el equivalente a CCAA

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>>79058851
Porque Portugal también tiene sus diferencias regionales.
El tamaño y la población también ayudarían a mantener el desequilibrio. Es mejor así.

>you now realize the only way for Spain to be stable is by either completly balkanizing or by Portugal joining

>>79059005
>joining spain
wtf
run and do not look behind

>>79056445
El estatuto de autonomía fue un error
Se les dio demasiado poder a las CCAA y pueden hacer su propaganda independentista con el dinero de los contribuyentes españoles
Centralización ya

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>>79059005
>mfw you're probably right

>>79059130
+1
España debería ser un Estado unitario, no tiene sentido que cosas como Madrid o La Rioja sean autonomías

Pero con nosotros fuera de ella

>>79059130
>implying

>>79057741
Lo siento pero no, la corona de aragon era mucho mas rica que castilla, eran puros comerciantes, y castilla era religiosamente radical, que se ofreciese el monopolio unicamente a castilla para la colonizacion de america fue algo muy determinante para el posterior fracaso general de todo el imperio.

>>79059092
I'm just saying Portugal being parte of Spain would probably create a stronger Hispanic identity

>>79059327
Spanish identity is dead

The only way to create a unitary sentiment to last some years again is iberianism

>>79056297
2027

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>>79058755
perfect map

>>79059519
Iparralde and Rosello are not in. 6/10

>>79059414
Would live in a Iberian Federation.

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>>79058755
fixed

>inb4 Valencia should be part of Catalonia and Basque should be it's own thing
aesthetics > your meme identities

>>79060187
this has so little sense that is not even offensive

>>79060187
What's this shit?

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>>79060296
a perfect world my friend

>>79060439
Definitely far from perfect, laddo.

That european map is hideous too.

>>79060187

aesthetics >> your map

>>79060619
words hurt you know

>>79060652
the map didn't have enoug to divisions to make it more aesthetic you cunt

I hate spaniards now

>>79060674
Not my intention, irmão. But it is my obligation to tell you that it was not a good idea.

>>79060725
Portugal back to tsundere

>>79060869
olivença é nossa :)

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>>79060916
Not last time I looked to a map.

DJIVOLVAM U OURO

now on a more serious point, independentist movements in Spain all seem to be ran by commies

>>79061151
there is a right-wing nationalist party in government on basque country and catalonia

the rest yes, are biased to the left (and minoritary)

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Yes pls.

nunca van a dejar que pase eso, a españa simplemente no le conviene. La mitad de la economía española depende de cataluña

>>79061194
well at least in Catalonia Podemos seems to be trying to get their fair share

btw, what is wrong with your commies? they ain't that Swedish like SJWs and they ain't that old school Leninist shit like here in Portugal, they all act like a gay version of Che Guevara

>>79061330
Un cuarto más bien.

>>79061415
Un 19% mas bien

>>79061499
Source? Me suena que era un 26%, pero bueno. Una quinta parte sigue siendo menos que "la mitad" como decía el amigo rioplatense.

seems like your country sucks #ass

>>79061578
http://www.lavanguardia.com/economia/20170622/423601590811/catalunya-pib-espana.html

De verdad que estos hilos me dan dolor de cabeza, prefiero mirar hacia otro lado

>>79061382
there is no conservative communism in spain. it simply does not exist.

>>79061665
pls don't let Podemos in the government my Spanish friend

>>79061761
>muh podemos is the devil
not a voter but please. it's not like they're any different from the left in the rest of the west

Basque county should be independent. They speak a different language from the spics for crying out loud. Don't care for Catalonia being independent but I'm 100% in support of Basque county.

>>79061813
yeah but not all lefty parties have independentist movements they can use to get votes

>>79061925
Thanks lad.

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>>79061382
Man, we have Left Bloc that is the equivalent to their Podemos.
Podemos Unidos coalition of Podemos and Isquierda Unida.
Isquierda Unida has the true commies - marxist leninist party, equivalent to ours.
>are you a commie to know this
I went to wikipedia

PCP voter database is failling slightly, speciallu in ALentejo.
Left Bloc is growing slightly in urban centres.

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>>79062077
I know

>>79062022
6/10

>>79062022
>leon not part of galicia / galicia not part of leon
>castille not united
>aragon not united
5/10

>>79059414
the only reason spanish identity is dead is the fact that it wasnt restored, and that leftist retards think of spanish identity as Franco nostalgia (probably you do aswell when you see someone with a Spanish flag)
You can't blame the country enitrely, its the people that "hate" Spanish identity, partly because of the jealousy between CCAA and all this petty drama of regions whining for money because the other region got X.

>>79063036
Yeah, one side makes it perfect but the other is worse thing in the world.
Things are not that simple.
You have people on the one side that have never felt spanish. Then you have on the other people that think that being spanish is one monolithic thing and that everyone has to be that way. Then there are all the shades of grey in the middle.
There are too many people to blame, to many reasons that make things not work and one reality: Spain has been a failure for a long time.
Is it solvable? We'll see, but it is unlikely.

>>79063036
>muh left is the cause of all earthly pains

>>79055031
Yes I am Balkanized.

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Andalucía mi nación, España mi castigo

>>79056297
2044

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXpnYEw8TxA

>>79063286
It is though.

>>79056297
2019

>>79055031
>Basque Country: Yes: 68.1% No 30.8%

fake, same question was made in the beginning of this year and the amount of independentist in the basque country was hitting its lowest % EVER, let me guess.... this is from a catalonian media?

>>79056297
never

>>79057067
get fukt

I hope Catalonia becomes independent and makes speaking Spanish a capital offense.

I think the definitive solution to this problem is a Federal Republic like Switzerland with Cantons.

I know they already have a degree of autonomy comparable to that, but everything would be more honest, straightforward and equal that way.

>>79063286
>implying the left doesnt automatically consider everyone with a flag a fascist in Spain
you dont deny it because its true, the witch hunt of "fascists" in Spain killed any potential, healthy nationalism that could happen. if the government attempts to restore nationalism it will be shut down and sabotaged as a "bigot movement by the right and franco nostalgics"
it also wouldnt be in the interests of catalonyans to see people being proud of Spain

>>79060439
kosovo je srbija

>>79067399
fucking hell, wasted dubs

>>79055031
>Andalusia: No 95% Yes 3%
Kek 15% of this shithole only feels andalusian. Ayyy lmao memes are real, we are a bunch of parasites.

>>79063850
>Marruecos, el sur de tugalandia y Murcía

Paco, ya tenemos suficientes moros y gitanos como para aumentar la población más.

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If they decide to secede, why not just start a war and invade them?

>>79055031
>Catalonia is actually less separationist than all the other regions with separationist tendencies
Intredasting
So why are their separationist sentiments the most well-known?

>>79070060
hm? only basque country

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>>79055031
Now to seize Southern Spain for greater Gibraltar!

>>79070187
you must have something to do in this subject

>>79062077
>PCP voter database is failling slightly, speciallu in ALentejo.

Adorable wishful thinking, CDS parvo