Is it true that Russians see Europeans as evil agressors who

>>79012036
no

>>79012036
yes

>>79012036
Yes, everyone but French
Because that's true

>>79012149
>>79012154
Interseting. Do you see it as history, or do you believe Europeans will invade you in future?

>>79012067
your countrymen seem to disagree

>>79012036
yes and they actually invaded us many times in the past, and i wouldn't be surprised if they are secretly planning a new invasion right now

>>79012192
History. Europe is not really a threat now since they are cucked by USA and really don't have any functioning at it's own military

>>79012149
>>79012214
>>79012154
Do Russians see themselves as evil agressors who invade Eastern Europe every other century?

>>79012192
> Do you see it as history, or do you believe Europeans will invade you in future?
Both
>>79012267
Literally what?
>send a few commies ONCE
>every other century
Why would you care about eastern Europe

>>79012256
So Europeans are not Russian enemies anymore?

>>79012267
Poles invaded first

>>79012381
that doesn't give you a right to invade them

>>79012267
I watched a documentary about Russian mindset, and it said that from Russian point of view, WW2 was a war to genocide Russia and many eastern european countries eagerly joined in. So from Russian perspective, it didn't really made a lot of sense to keep freedom and democracy to countries that just tried to genocide them

>>79012036
No

I have a feeling just see europeans as asshole who try to mess with every other "non-European" nation so they could push them down the shitter while pull them up themselve

>>79012403
it literally does

>>79012403
guy who invaded Iraq, Libya and Yugoslavia has no right of speaking about someone else's rights.

>>79012267
no we are the saviours and protectors of eastern europe. we liberated them from nazis and literally rebuilt their countries using our own resources after the war. we russians are altruists

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>>79012036

Russian in US here. All Russians see Europeans as boipucci waiting to be invaded by thicc Russian cock. Expect the invasion soon.

>>79012342
you are, and you will always be

>>79012519
How does Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact fit into Russian alturism?

>>79012551
Why can't we be friends?

>>79012566
it let russia get prepared for the war better, that was a terrible thing to do, was disgusting but if russia refused the pact nazis would have had all of poland and eastern europe in general so they would already be on russia's doorsteps

>>79012566
Was made to prepare USSR for upcoming war and give it more time. Also, is Munich agreement something you ignore because of purely political reasons?

>>79012602
because europe won't ever be with a criminal dictatorship called russia that invades its neighbours

>>79012602
Because you're cuckolds and NATO members?

>>79012643
>>79012658
but still, it doesn't seem very alturistic to me

>>79012735
so if we left nato, would you be our friend?
or invade us?

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>>79012036
>do Europeans see Europeans as evil agressors who invade each other once a century or so?
also we usually not generalize you

>>79012267
t.yank filth

>>79012791
I don't think Russia can keep 80 million Germans under control.

>>79012791
if european countries ever leave nato russia will immediately attack you

>>79012791
Invading someone is bad for economy. Join us, together we will rule the Gala... ah, I mean, this Earth! Deutschland erwache!

When will Russia grant Siberia independence, and become a proper European country again?

>>79012758
it was an unavoidable sacrifice, unfortunately

>>79012877
>grant Siberia independence
It's our colony, and we're not going to give it to American or Chinks.

>>79012877
never

>>79012858
To be honest, I would like it. But I dont think it could work since Eastern Europe fears and hates you

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>>79012036

> Europeans

What fucking europeans? Spaniards? Norwegians? romanians? belgians?

> who invade Russia once a century or so?

No

We invaded, they invaded.

I don't see them as friends.

When terrorist acts happen in Russia, nobody is changing avatars in facebook, nobody puts colors of russian flag on important buildings.

It means we're for them as similar and attractive as iraqis or nigerians who also don't receive much attention from "international community."


>>79012415
> many eastern european countries eagerly joined in.

They did.

>>79012267
> Do Russians see themselves as evil agressors who invade Eastern Europe every other century?

maybe

Sometimes russians can be very evil.

>>79012973
>russians can be very evil
russians are just a dumb mass of subhumans who do whatever they are told by their leader

im talking to this russian qt and even she's saying their army would never allow ukrainians to invade

their are a.. very cutely patriotic people, but every now and then you can sense they wish they could indulge themselves first over their country

>>79012973
>When terrorist acts happen in Russia, nobody is changing avatars in facebook, nobody puts colors of russian flag on important buildings.
Gotta agree on that. I wish Europe would show more sympathy when Russia becomes victim of terrorism.
Radical Islam is a common enemy of ours

>>79012477
excuse that burger. The cognitive dissonance among many of my country men is strong.

>>79013118
hi Ivan. kak dela?

>>79013118
Tbf, no body cared when there was a terrorist attack on Sweden as well.

People only cares about UK, France, USA and Germany. Even Spain terrorist attacks were quickly forgotten.

>>79012965
>But I dont think it could work since Eastern Europe fears and hates you
It's kinda split. Actually, most native latvians I know, have been kinda pro-Russian lately, whilst a good portion of Russians here have slowly been turning into progressives who see current Russia as a boogeyman.

>>79013191
I am sure if a big terrorist attack happend in Sweden, with dozens of dead, people in Australia would care about Sweden

>>79013224
Aren't you afraid of Russian invasion, though?
From your perspective, it must look like Russia invaded you again and again, and the current freedom might be only a temporary state for all you know.

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>>79012838

>>79012036
yes

Europe is Evil and has no future
Russia is better off without them and can soar on while dumb krauts sink into irrelevancy

>>79013270
Latvia doesn't have anything for Russia to offer. They are not worth invading.

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>>79013191
No way.

People cared about sweden, finland, spain, other countries.

The fact that they don't care about russia just means we are not in their friend list. Like nigerians, I said earlier, or pakis.

It shows us our place.

Is it even possible to become friends? You see those huge walls separating us? We can be semi allies, but is it possible for an average europeans to become as sensitive towards russia as they were towards france? When almost all people changed avatars etc.

>>79013224
I find it strange that ANY ethnic latvian will even slightly support Russia but... anyway

> good portion of Russians here have slowly been turning into progressives who see current Russia as a boogeyman.

Subhuman journalists say russians in Narva or daugavpils can try to do the same as in Crimea or Donetsk but it's wrong.

Actually donbass war showed that being a unrecognized republic is very bad.

So basically if before 2014 people might have assumed they could actually join Russia if they start riots, now they know russia WILL NOT RECOGNIZE them and current peace is better.

>>79012643
lol, Dima. Maybe the Poles had stopped them or wore them out. Ever thought of that, Commie?

What was there to defend in Communism anyawy? It's worse than free markets.

>>79013313
Russia is very nervous because NATO is so close to their core land (Moscow and St. Petersburg).
They really want a buffer zone between Russia and NATO

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>>79013273
it will. russia already proved it doesn't give a shit about sanctions, world isolation or what the UN thinks. vast majority of russians dream about invading europe

>>79013313
They have Riga balsam

>>79013365
this.
and fish in cans

>>79013353
>nukes
>still being nervous
So how do you attack Russia? Like them how would you do it?

Have you even been to the army?

Also, being in Russia's sphere of influence causes tremendous pain for the people.

>>79013407
Sprats

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>>79013363

>>79013313
Russians love to murder. They attacked the last time without a reason too.

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>>79013353
> Russia is very nervous because NATO is so close to their core land (Moscow and St. Petersburg).


It's mascarade, circus, show for local bydlo.

"Controlled """"""""conflict"""""" "

1) Russia COMPLETELY depends on Europe.

In terms of budget money, technologies.

2) ALL russian elites and their children live in Europe. I mean LITERALLY ALL OF THEM.

So I think it's somehow profitable for both sides to be "in conflict".

For example, putin can reduce internet freedom saying that EBIL EUOPREAN GAY PROPAGANDA is a threat to "national security", europeans can unite under anti-russian ideas.


>>79013363
go to /ex-ussr/ that's where your friends are

>>79013419
That's just how countries act, I suppose.
Remember, Americans weren't exactly tolerant either as Russians tried to install their missiles on Cuba

>>79013270
>Aren't you afraid of Russian invasion, though?
No. None of the people I know or work with fear a Russian invasion, despite the constant MSM fear mongering.
If anything, a Russian invasion seems somewhat unrealistic because our economy is tanking and we have nothing of value left. If Russia were to invade us, they'd need to put a lot of money into us, so as to not be a dead weight on their economy.
>it must look like Russia invaded you again and again
Most old folk actually have fond memories of the Soviet times, though of course they also remember the problems.
>and the current freedom might be only a temporary state for all you know
Most common folk don't care all that much, only real fears are of being bombed by either side.

>>79013341
>I find it strange that ANY ethnic latvian will even slightly support Russia
Well, you can see it with the mayor of Riga, for instance.
>daugavpils can try to do the same as in Crimea or Donetsk
Basically, most of Latgale is Zimbabwe tier and people were threatening Riga that Latgale would separate. To counter these protests, our local MSM said it's Russia and started arresting people protesting. EU was ok with that.
>now they know russia WILL NOT RECOGNIZE them and current peace is better
Yeah, the whole DNR and LNR ordeal is kinda confusing.

>>79013342
Do they not teach you anything in schools?

>>79013436
no it isn't. europeans must know that we want to destroy them and conquer their countries. the moment they leave nato we WILL do that. european armies (except UK) are weak, they are shit, we can easily take all of them over

>>79012036
>Is it true that Russians see Europeans as evil agressors who invade Russia once a century or so?
That's exactly what you are. Also, more like every 30 years..

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>>79012256
I want the destructionmof EU, RUSSIA, USA , to liberate its people and establish peoples communities without subversive powers, is that too much to ask?

>>79013523
nice shilling, Ivan.
you deserved your 15 rubles

>>79013523
> Well, you can see it with the mayor of Riga, for instance.

he's mayor only because 50% of riga are russians

Ethnic latvians rarely vote for him

>>79013555
stop trolling m8

That's where putin's monies are.

Why would he attack his own assets?

Why would medvedev nuke his grape fields in Italy?

ffs stop it

>>79013523
Oh, nice to hear that. But still, is it fair to say that diplomatic relations between Russia and Baltic countries are rather cold?

>>79013502
Of course they weren't. Why would support spreading Communism. Russian culture is terrible. It's only logical to keep it in its containment reservate. Western countries are superior.

Also, I asked how do you attack Russia? How is it done?

>>79013523
We don't have Russian propaganda on the curriculum.

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>>79013555
>except UK

>>79013649
actually UK is very weak, so i agree with you, they dont have enough capacity to build their good equipment

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>>79013643
> Oh, nice to hear that. But still, is it fair to say that diplomatic relations between Russia and Baltic countries are rather cold?

Balts on reddit are very anti-russian as I expected tbqh.

He's exception really.

>>79013641
>stop trolling m8
>everything i disagree with is trolling
europeans put sanctions on putin's friends and even arrested some of their property. putin and his cronies have enough reasons to invade. we ordinary russians are also suffering because of the sanctions so we'd welcome the invasion of europe too

>>79013494
>It's mascarade, circus, show for local bydlo.
I have to disagree. Creating a buffer zone was historically always the Russian goal. That's why both Russian Empire and Soviet Union conquered eastern europe, and why Putin called the fall of Soviet Union the biggest geopolitical catastrophe in 20th century

>>79013648
It's not about ideology. Rivalling powers will never accept enemy military close to their homeland. This has been precistant through all of history and caused many conflicts

>>79013734
exactly. and we need to regain a control of eastern europe at the very least. this is why we want america to get weaker and nato to collapse. i hope comrade trump will do what he promised and kick all the nations that don't pay enough out of nato

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>>79013734
> Creating a buffer zone was historically always the Russian goal.

Russia has no goals besides selling as and oil.
>>79013722
> putin and his cronies have enough reasons to invade

They will not invade just like STRONK MIGHTY soviet union didn't invade western europe.

subhuman finally LEARN where "your" "leaders" keep money and whose orders they follow

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>>79013631
Nice, thanks! Now go do your homework or you won't be able to attend the next Navalniy meeting.

>>79013641
>Ethnic latvians rarely vote for him
Eh, to be fair, I don't know who votes for him, but he seems to be popular enough to get in a second time.

>>79013643
Yes, at least as how far as the public can see it, they're pretty cold and low.

>>79013648
Yeah, they seem to have asshurt propaganda on the curriculum in your country.

>>79013692
>reddit
Back in uni, there were faggots who unironically wore fedoras.

Europeans are fucking subhumans

I live in Germany and I consider Germans to be subhumans and I treat them like shit

It was very wise of Putin to lead Russia closer to Asia. India is a genuine friend and would never betray us.

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>>79013734
>go be manly cowboy who "protects" russia and fights capitalists
>estalled dictator
>go be opposition to russia, get elected and anyone who is not is called a shill of Russia.

>Also, I asked how do you attack Russia? How is it done?

Give the russian lieutenant bunch of bucks and he will sell the platoon. Give the russian colonel suitcase of bucks and he will sell the regiment. The military are corrupt like fuck.

>>79013790
I wasn't talking about ideology, fucking luftballoon. I was talking about how it can be done but obviously you just started maneuvering.

>Cuba crisis
>Support Russia
>Don't answer a question
Classic pages from shillbook.

You can't attack Russia. You'll get nuked the moment you attack. Russians are actually talking about nuking European cities for shits and giggles. That's how much they like murdering . Horrible people. Bad people.

>>79013822
>just like STRONK MIGHTY soviet union didn't invade western europe
of course it did not, but only because of nato. i said multiple times we need nato to collapse first.
>LEARN where "your" "leaders" keep money and whose orders they follow
some of their accounts in european countries were already arrested as a part of russia sanctioning campaign. this is exactly why they would love to take control of european countries, to get all of their money and property back

>>79013825
>Navalniy
fuck him. he is a dumb clown, fake opposition

>>79013916
> some of their accounts in european countries were already arrested as a part of russia sanctioning campaign. this is exactly why they would love to take control of european countries, to get all of their money and property back

I think what will happen is that eventually they return crimea, donbass, transnistria, abkhazia, south ossetia to countries that claim they own these territories.

And then MAYBE they will get their bank accounts unfreezed.

> this is exactly why they would love to take control of european countries, to get all of their money and property back

who "they"

THEIR KIDS ALREADY ON THE WEST.

Will they nuke themselves?

go back to /wm/

>>79013908
I am not an military expert, I don't know how to invade Russia.
But what I know is that no powerful country, neither USA or Russia, likes to have strong hostile military next to their border. That's why Americans kicked Soviets out of Cuba, even though they had nukes and didn't really have to worry about it

>>79013941
So I keep hearing. Begs me the question of whether or not you even have any opposition, then?

>>79014035
>I am not an military expert, I don't know how to invade Russia.
Fucking social democratic pussy. In that case why do you come here and start telling your opinions which have no basis in real life?

>>79013941
Let's have the "fake opposition" in power then. Let him run. Let him have equal TV time.

>>79014020
>nuke
i did not say anything about nukes you bloodthirsty pidorashka.
their kids may be there but they can return to russia IF their parents wanted them to do that.
our friend trump will help us with dissolving nato first, or at least by kicking nations that pay less than 2% of their gdp out of it

>>79014090
It seems to me like you would rather insult people than to have a construcitve discussion.
Have a nice day

>>79013908
>Russians are actually talking about nuking European cities for shits and giggles. That's how much they like murdering .
Lmao you're retarded

>>79012036
Russians are Europeans

>>79014090
Maybe he wants to learn something new? This isn't a hard concept to grasp.

>>79014057
no. russia was always a country ruled by either a monarch or a single party. all the opposition and different parties in russia are fake, it's all staged, failed democracy

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>>79014057
> Begs me the question of whether or not you even have any opposition, then?

Currently - no.

If there will be more freedom, less persecution, there will be opposition.

Look, there wasn;t opposition in '70s Latvia.

Opposition suddenly became strong in late '80s when SU was falling.

>>79014125
> our friend trump

ok vanya

go troll somewhere else

This is serious thread


>>79014164

EU pushes strong for "EU=Europe". "European citizen", "European rights" etc.

So European means EU currently.

>>79014233
Too high iq for russia.

>>79014164
we are not. europeans are our enemies

>>79014254
>go troll somewhere else
>everything i disagree with is trolling
you are unbelievably stupid and primitive

Russians are the only people in the world I wish the worst for.

I literally laughed when that Russian ambassador got shot by some Turk or when there were terrorist attack in St Petersburg or when that whole fucking cancerous Red Army choir got crashed.

Fuck you despicable mongoloid scum, you deserve all of that and much more.

No escape from karma, you will all suffer for your sins.

>>79014273
EU+Russia+USA are enemies, russia is an enemy if russians.

>>79014254
Would Russians want to join the EU eventually?

>>79014322
I want EU to be destroyed.

>>79014254
Krauts don't get to decide what is and isn't Europe, geography and history does

>>79014356
me too, ivan. me too

>>79014312
> No escape from karma, you will all suffer for your sins.

Our sufferings ended.

First time in century we are free.

>>79014305
> our friend trump

ok subhuman vanya, IT IZ NOT TROLLING right?

>>79014322
It's impossible.

>>79014233
Well, that's the same shit as in any other country, so it's not like you're special in that regard.
Or do you unironically think that people in the EU have actual power and elections mean shit?

>>79014254
>If there will be more freedom, less persecution, there will be opposition.
I recently watched a video with Udalycov who recently came out of jail and he seems to be quite genuine in his views.
>Opposition suddenly became strong in late '80s when SU was falling.
Whilst I agree with that, but you also seem to forget that that opposition was heavily sponsored by Soros. He even had claimed it multiple times in interviews. 90% of the time a successful opposition is just a foreign countries tool to overthrow the current government.

>>79014356
b-but why? :(

>>79014376
I want Russia to be destroyed as well.

>>79014443
which foreign coutries try to meddle in Latvians elections?

>>79014449
Complete and utter enemies of the people, evil.

>>79014449
check the flag m8

>>79014497
I want USA to be destroyed. Complete and utter enemies of the European people.

>>79014440
no it is not and we both know that

>>79014517
Me too.

>>79014443
i don't think that, i know you do have an actual democracy in the EU, brexit was a good example of it

>>79014529
ok trump is best friend... oh wait he has lowest rating and congress made him sign sanctions bill

poor drumpf ;_;

>>79014440
why is it impossible?

>>79014460
me too, ivan. me too

>>79014571
People who think there is no democracy in the EU are total retards. If there is no democracy here, there is no democracy anywhere in the world.

>>79014530
EU+Russia+USA destroyed and semi autonomous local power trade unions put in place of the state.

>>79014629
agreed

>>79014610
1. We are not europeans
2 Europe will always be our enemy

>>79014610
russia is too big and eastern europe will be against

>>79014629
There is no democracy anywhere in the world

>>79014700
russia is not the whole world, ivan

>>79014495
I don't know who meddles in our elections, but our leading parties have no real say in much of any affairs. They only pocket dosh from EU and that's about it.
That's why I stopped caring about elections.
The EU sanctions against Russia hurt our economy a fair bit and of course non of our politicians even said anything about, because they don't have any say to begin with.

>>79014571
>brexit was a good example of it
UK was the second biggest economy and it only pulled out because of it's own strength. Smaller countries, like the Czech republic, who've been trying to separate from the EU, cannot really don anything.

>>79014629
No shit. Democracy is a dumb meme.

>>79014322
> Russia
> join the EU
not possible
tons of very different countries like US or Belgium would be too afraid of losing control. Everybody knows a union like that with Russia means Russia instantly get too much power over Western countries. You're not sufficiently scared of arabs to allow that

And EU can't handle Russia economically, we're just too big

>>79014629
> there is no democracy anywhere in the world
that's a bingo

>>79014721
>b-but Russia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hl39SiabVc

>>79014724
>Czech Rep has been trying to separate from the EU
What? If anything the Czechs currently sympathise with the EU core, distancing themselves from Poland and Hungary.

>>79014724
>who've been trying to separate from the EU
they never tried to do that, ivan. one PM just said he'd let his country to holdca referendum on eu membership. majority of czechs would have preferred their country to stay in the EU anyway

>>79014688
Can't you just say sorry to Eastern Europeans and promise not to invade them again?

>>79014721
There is no democracy anywhere in the world

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>>79014787
>>79014700

>>79014724
>The EU sanctions against Russia hurt our economy a fair bit and of course non of our politicians even said anything about, because they don't have any say to begin with.
I thought Baltic states were among the biggest supporters of Russian sanctions

>>79014849
There is no democracy anywhere in the world

>>79014743
Well, obiviously you couldn't join overnight.
But what would be possible is a close association treaty between EU and Russia, and then joining EU in 15-20 years

Invasions of Russia by European countries:
17th century: Poland
18th century: Sweden
19th century: France
20th century: Germany
Is there any country i've missed?

>>79014845
false statement

>>79014906
There is no democracy anywhere in the world

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>>79014824
> Can't you just say sorry to Eastern Europeans and promise not to invade them again?

dunno

>>79014905
Vikings. :^)

>>79014864
they are. don't fall for the ivan's bullshit

>russians are not european meme being shilled again

are these kazakh LARPers or what? fucking idiots

>>79014209
Then he would have asked about this but he went on sperging straight out of the shillbook.

I have no regerts.

>>79014153
No, I insulted you and provided information and actually first I just asked about it and you started shilling. If you don't understand something ask for more info or find it yourself.

>>79014824
>you
pretty sure you are not talking to putin, and opinion of average russian scum does not matter anyway

>>79014944
All elites are part of an international cabal, do not support RUSSIA EU OR USA tge true name of who.leads and s
fominayes international finance.

>>79014807
>What?
Ex Czech president had said multiple times that he has been trying to pull out of EU, but he'd been getting cucked by Brussels. Google it.
>Hungary
Hungary has been fairly sympathetic with Czech's in their anti-Soros stances.

>>79014812
>they never tried to do that, ivan.
Sure thing, Bob.
>majority of czechs would have preferred their country to stay in the EU anyway
Do you have anything to back that up?

>>79014864
Our politicians do whatever is needed to suck up to someone.
A lot of companies went down and under after the sanctions.
For instance, Kreiss. A company that sent products from EU and Latvia into Russia, went down because of the sanctions. Left a fair bit of people seeking for jobs.

>>79014944
God, you're so dumb and don't know shit.

>>79014988
russia is about as european as new zealand

>>79013825
No need to be butthurt. That's how it is.

>>79014919
if you say so, Ivan

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why didn't you destroy communism when you had the chance yuros

>>79014905
>Is there any country i've missed?
Yes, like literally every single one of them? Napoleon's army alone had soldiers from pretty much every europeans state at the time.

>>79014996
You have to go back

>>79014988
>russia is european meme is still not dead

>>79015027
Germany is not European.

>>79014724
Your economy is still growing. Russians use trade relations only for coercion. It's a good thing EU made you cut off that sanser.

>>79015092
If russia isn't european then what is it?

>>79015027
not really. most of relevant european countries are western and the rest are totally pro-western and absolutely western by culture, so is new zealand. new zealand is much more european than russia

>>79015092
t. erasyl

kill yourself fucking idiot

>>79014905
Are you listing countries where Russians had been better off than under Communism and Putin?

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>>79015050
History of Europe and Russia in a nutshell

>>79014996
Each of us can make a difference, friend. For example, I am organizing events for international students at my universtiy, to increase friendship between peoples.
I am sure there are some organization that promote peace and understanding in eastern europe

>>79015067
i was born in this shithole unfortunately and i am a russian pigdog myself

>>79015131
seems like asia to me tbf, geographically speaking

>>79015133
western =/= european

russia is not western but it is european

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>>79015146
Fuck off with your stale memes, euroshit. Literally never conquered.

>>79015131
it is a unique eurasian multicultural state. the soviet union made us even more so

>>79015183
Most of it is in asia right but aren't most of the relevant cities/populations closer to europe

>>79015163
why are europoors obsessed with conquering what are mostly inhabitable wastelands torn apart by winter most of the year?

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>>79014989


>>79015029
>I am totally not butthurt but all russians are evil and they're behind every problem in the world
Reminded me of pic related.

>>79015113
>Your economy is still growing.
O, I am laffin.
>Russians use trade relations only for coercion.
Where the fuck do you get this stupid idea from?
>It's a good thing EU made you cut off that sanser.
There's nothing good in that, you tard. We already have no production of our own, due to EU's retardedness. And we have a couple of things of our own left, few in terms of relations with Russia and even those are getting fucked over due to EU's retarded policies.

>>79015050
>Napoleon's army alone had soldiers from pretty much every europeans state at the time.
It was still France that carried out the invasion, so i count it as France
>>79015160
No, i'm just listing those invasions that i know of

>>79015163
Pretty much this.

>>79015166
russia is totalitarian police state, ordinary person is nothing here

>>79015222
>Russia is eurasian
What makes it asian?

>>79012036
>Sweden
>crusaders
>Poland
>Sweden again
>France
>Germany
>Britain, France, US
>Germany again
Gee, I wonder.

Russia and the occident are arch enemies
We will never be friends

>>79015223
would probably call it a grey area, but all east europe is a grey area to me

>>79015225
>i-it's not like we actually wanted to conquer you or anything

>>79014905
those are the more successful invasions but yeah, you missed a few
I think it started with Northern Crusades and went on every 30-100 years

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>>79015160
Did some gopnik bully you or something?

>>79015166
Peace in acceptance to rule of another?
Typical servant.

>>79015261
nothing, it's retarded insecure churka shit posting this crap

>>79015191
non western by culture and not pro western country in general can't be considered european nowadays

>>79015247
>so i count it as France
see this
>>79015163

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>>79015225
Because otherwise the dwellers who live in that inhabitable wasteland try to forcefully spread their inhabitable wasteland to you.

They're like our moose. So great in numbers and such a big hassle you need to cut the population from time to time.

>>79015314
we evidently did want to conquer you, i just fail to see what's to gain from there to make you risk to go bankrupt againts russian winter
manpower was the only thing going for you in the past, now i dont even see russia as relevant beside nuclear deterrent for usa

>>79015292
Occident is enemy to European people.

>>79015273
yeah, but this was in history, when we still were barbaric.
We are civilized and good guys now

>>79012214
>yes and they actually invaded us many times in the past
You've done the same thing tbf. Has Russia ever gone 50 years *without* invading the rest of Europe?

>>79015393
>i just fail to see what's to gain from there
You tell me
>russian winter
>manpower
The "sour grapes" starter pack.

>>79015430
No, you are not good you are an enemy to Europe.

>>79015392
but after you conquer russia you are next to chinks who are even worse mice and you have to do it again until you conquer all the world, which is most likely impossible
just build a limes like our ancestors :^) and be done with those weirdos, they seem more or less fine where they are

>>79015360
yes, yes it can

>>79015473
Russia never invaded Europe. Not once.

>>79015225
>mostly inhabitable wastelands
Those "wastelands" produce a massive amount of food and oil. That's part of the reason why Hitler was so eager to seize Russian territory west of the Urals.

>>79015273
When do you count our first invasion as?

>>79015478
>Finnish Winter
>Stalin killed muh Officers
Sour Grapes OG starter pack.

>>79015478
dont take me wrong, i like russia

>>79015515
ok this is actually incorrect and I say it as a RUssian
remember finland for example
or poland

>>79015480
Anyone that thinks I give a shit about "USA" is a subhuman, my life is cometely irrelevant of the "USA" government and rulers.

>>79015515
Yeah, Poland started it, Russia was just acting in self-defense!

>>79015536
>we actually won the war
>we didn't want Vyborg anyway
Sour grapes GOTY edition

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>>79015430
Good intentions and will don't always result in good deeds. Inviting all these middle eastern rapists and allowing them to roam freely across Europe isn't doing anyone any good.

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>>79015261
two core nations of russia are us ethbic russians and the tatars. during the soviet period there were a lot of central asian states in our union, we all were integrated into each other, we have millions of central asians here these days to the point that they became an integral part of our country and culture. our main partners are china and india (especialy in military, just check how much military stuff we sell to them).
you eurodogs want us to distance from each other to make us weaker and to prevent us from becoming united and strong but fuck off you won't manage to that anymore

can germany start making good cars again that you can actually maintain yourself?
thanks xx

>>79012519
You fucking ape you repaired our country to this point, that we still feel consequences

>>79015570
Poland, Great Britain and France started it once they signed the Munich agreement.

>>79015498
no it can not, Ahmed

russians = germans > anglos in terms of filth

>>79015568
>finland
Soviet Union, not Russia. And it was arguably justified.
>or poland
Partitions? It was crumbling anyway. Either take a piece, or let Germany grab it all.

>>79012036
Yes.
>>79012267
No.

>>79015603
>Turkey and Greece
Lol why are they in NATO again?

>>79015570
Poland tried to invade Russia when it was at the verge of crumbling but failed miserably hahah
Then Russia ass-raped Poland for the next 4 centuries and now Polaks are butthurt as fuck (see >>79014312)

>>79015590
This projection is truly amazing.

>>79015603
it says on wikipedia tatars are 5 million people in russia

how is that a core nation of russia which has a population of 145 million

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>>79015532
Swedish invasion of the Novgorod Republic.

>>79015671
Russia is the legal successor of the Soviet Union
So you take both credit for the bad as well as the good things the USSR did

>>79015597
uhm, thats a bit offtopic, isn't it?

>>79015671
>And it was arguably justified.
Sure was. The Finnish panzer fleets were about to storm Moscow any moment. How could Russia handle 4 million people?

>>79015590
The amount of soviet posturing before winter war

>"STALIN WILL HAVE PARADES IN HELSINKI BY HIS BIRTHDAY"


and then after

>"We have won just about enough ground to bury our dead.

It's funny how the propaganda just sticks to you from generation to generation. Next your probably gonna say somethign about the soldiers being hohols amirite?

>>79015716
core by culture and history. and they are still the second biggest ethnic group in russia anyway

>>79015716
>how is that a core nation of russia which has a population of 145 million
Russians respect their minorities so much that they gave Tatars the right to call themselves a core nation. Isn't it beautiful?

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>>79015536
>tfw grandpa was killing finns in the winter war and returned home safely
Feels good, actually.

>>79015732
Technically, it is, but I just thought it was a good example of how good intentions don't always result in good deeds.

>>79015731
>Russia is the legal successor of the Soviet Union
Yes
>So you take both credit for the bad as well as the good things the USSR did
No, that's not what "legal successor" means at all. "Legal successor" =/= "same entity".

>>79015730
Novgorod is to Moskali Federation the same as Constantinople to Turkey.

Turks must be mad for all the turkish attacks on Constantinnople, lmao.

>>79015652
how am I ahmed? are you braindamaged?

>>79015749
Finland had 2 million people in 1940 while russia had hundred millions.

>>79015796
Lol. So Germany is not guitly for nazi war crimes?

>>79015731
>Good things that ussr did

Only good thing that they've done is killing other russians

>>79015017
>Ex Czech president had said multiple times that he has been trying to pull out of EU, but he'd been getting cucked by Brussels. Google it.
I'm not googling anything, you provide evidence for your claims.

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>>79015787
>Tfw when both grandpas fought during boht conflicts and came home safe from killing soviet bolshevik scum

feels damn good actually

>>79015787
>Feels good, actually.
No need to even say it. Everyone knows Russians are thieves and murderers who love to kill people. It's your people's thing.

>>79015838
I dont give a shit what germany is guilty gor, Germany doesnt even exist.

>>79015823
don't try to derail the topic, Ahmed. i am glad you integrated well into your new country's culture but it does not make your home country in the middle east european

>>79015751
Soviet goals before the war
>we need to move border away from Leningrad
The results of the war
>border is moved and then some

Finnish delusions are a wonderful thing. Now tell me how you were not actually the part of the Axis, but just "co-belligerents". I'm waiting.

>>79015864
It brought first man to space

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>>79015749
> Sure was. The Finnish panzer fleets were about to storm Moscow any moment. How could Russia handle 4 million people?

usually justification is something like:

"finnish border was too close to leningrad, there were no guarantees germans won't invade finland, blah blah blah we offered finland clay in exchange but they refused etc"

>>79015885
>Germany doesnt even exist
what did he mean by this

>>79015830
Yes, sorry. I forgot.

>>79015838
Nazi Germany was still Germany, Soviet Union wasn't Russia. It's really not that hard.

>>79015864
they killed 80% of nazi germany's army
they were pioneers in space travel
they were very successful in sport events
they helped africa in their struggle against colonialism

>>79015943
How convinient for you

>>79015917
There is no such thing as Germany anymore, there is nothing tying people to Germany but a piece of paper, .

>>79015898
:DDD

Now tell me you weren't allied with the Nazis?

>>we need to move border away from Leningrad
Yes, totally, because the Finnish mechanized divisions, correction, mechanized army gruppes were about to storm Moscow, LMAO.

>>79015819
Shut up, Pekka.

>>79015943
pardon? you might be retarded sir

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never heard of an actual russian who considers himself "eurasian" or "asian" before

you learn something new from the autists on /int/ everyday

>>79012036
It's unironically true desu. I had a girlfriend who saw Germany as imperial aggressor, holding back slavs and leaching off clay from Russia. The media there is taking over a big part of the brainwashing. It still is today. I used to watch it too. It was so weird to visit her family. As if they are still living in the 45's and their only bright thing they ever had was the victory over Europe half a century ago, after this, just misery. Somehow understandable, but their situation doesn't improve this way.

>>79015981
Deny the piece of paper and you arent "German" anymore.

>>79015882
>Everyone knows Russians are thieves and murderers who love to kill people
Um, hypocritical much, sweetie?
Your countryman just above you expressed the exact same sentiment but towards Russians, and i hear it pretty often from Finns here.

>>79015995
> Yes, totally, because the Finnish mechanized divisions, correction, mechanized army gruppes were about to storm Moscow, LMAO.

No, it's about germans on finnish soil bombing leningrad

nobody thinks finland alone would've attacked USSR

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>>79015875
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of-7HSADALU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RWwBOd_6Qc

>>79015881
>still were under the boot of the soviets for the longest of time
>even to this day their inside politics are affected by Russia
God, you're not even worth making fun of.

>>79015882
Nigger, you're dumb and don't even know your own history. Only 10% of Soviet forces were Russian, during the Winter War. Majority were Ukrainians and Belarus, as well as other mixed regiments.

>>79016028
Did she enjoy getting fucked by imperial agressor?

>>79015914
>"finnish border was too close to leningrad, there were no guarantees germans won't invade finland, blah blah blah we offered finland clay in exchange but they refused etc"
He didn't again. LMAO.

No guarantees? Russians are shit tier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

Also, By that logic every invasion of Russia ever is justified because there are no guarantees Russians won't start murdering their neighbours, whihc is part of Russian culture.

>>79016022
>never heard of an actual russian who considers himself "eurasian" or "asian" before
Because we don't, you idiot. We consider ourselves russian.

>>79012036
well considering its your country that has a reputation for going on autistic fits, i wouldnt be surprised if they did. hell its a good thing you have NATO wiping your ass all the time, or they would have raped you again

>>79016082
Germans weren't on Finnish soil, Dima. Russians were allied with Germans.

The only reason you attacked was because we were richer and you wanted to murder and steal. Those are the two things that define Russian culture.

>>79015981
so if you rip up that piece of paper what is mercedes? a non-existent car company?

>>79016099
> Also, By that logic every invasion of Russia ever is justified because there are no guarantees Russians won't start murdering their neighbours, whihc is part of Russian culture.

ofc it's justified.

For their national interests.

From their point of view it can by justified, from other's point of view it's not justified.

>>79016098
She liked it. But she saw me as other person. I just rolled with it and I didn't care much desu. It was just totally screwed world though.

>>79016010
Care to prove me wrong?

>>79016133
and what does russian mean to you ? Eurasian?

>>79016098
she did. women are submissive by nature, that's why russian and jewish girls love that kind of roleplays. they love submitting to ubermensch german man

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>>79015898
Soviet goals before the war
>we need to move border away from Leningrad

What was the secret protocol of Molotov ribbentrop pact? I'm waiting.

>Now tell me how you were not actually the part of the Axis, but just "co-belligerents". I'm waiting.


We weren't in reality. If you'd understand anything about technicalities and historical facts you wouldn't have said that.

Now yes we fought with germans but to dissect the whole interim peace properly needs a better look before we can understand it. Now we lost winter war. Now there were soviet troops in finnish military bases and molotov tried to grow communist dissent in Finland so there would be an easy revolution with this time there being ideologically loyal soldiers making sure the revolution happens. Now the government knew about this and tried to play ball for a while whilst knowing the tensions were rising. During this time Germans started to open diplomatic negotiations namely to offer protection for the promise that we would participate if germany would invade USSR. Now when barbarossa started we declared our own war on USSR separate from the axis conflict as we did not sign the tripartite pact (axis pact).

History ain't so convoluded if you actually read about it.

>>79016153
A car, what is Germany?
Not a people.

>>79016087
>Nigger, you're dumb and don't even know your own history. Only 10% of Soviet forces were Russian, during the Winter War. Majority were Ukrainians and Belarus, as well as other mixed regiments.
LMAO, I've checked the cities where those troops were formed and those were Russian. It was fucking Iwan fighting for glorious communism and Champagne and strawberries for the Commisars.

>>79016166
we don't think about such things at all IRL, since we are nit racists unlike europigs

>>79016166
Russian means Russian, you retard.

>>79016150
> The only reason you attacked was because we were richer and you wanted to murder and steal. Those are the two things that define Russian culture.

And what does vyborg massacre and finnish concentration camps define? :)

>>79015972
And now you live in Germany because Russia too poor. Lol.

>>79015981
there is no such thing as US, but a piece of paper John. Have you touched the US yet?

>>79016181
>Now when barbarossa started we declared our own war on USSR separate from the axis conflict
Like clockwork

>>79016159
Yeah, it was Russians' fault. Because of their ugly behavior there was wars.

>>79016207
you know, that just occurred to me, do Russians consider themselves to be European, or Asian?

>>79015914
>Russian President Vladimir Putin said on 14 March 2013 at a meeting with military historians that Stalin launched the war to "correct mistakes" made in drawing the border with Finland after the 1917 Bolshevik revolution.
really activates my almonds

>>79016166
Are you legitimately retarded or just baiting? What does european mean to you? Eurasian?

>>79016165
not really, would be like seeing a guy getting fucked in the ass and having to "prove him wrong" when he says he's perfectly straight
you make the weird claims, you show the proofs

>>79016236
80% european, 20% asian

asianess depends on education, age (soviet brainwashed people = asians)

>>79016087
>still were under the boot of the soviets for the longest of time
Yes being able to play both sides during the most volatile peace in human history surely was bad for us, now gimme something new that they teach you in kremlin.
>even to this day their inside politics are affected by Russia
In the way that the government strives for anti-russian sentiment? I guess that's influence

>>79016236
we already responded to such question multiple times itt, look it up

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>>79016099
>>79016150
>>79016193
How can someone be this fucking retarded? I get that you can hate other nations or people, but even then the other side can have some legit argumentation, but this faggot just constantly goes "NO, UR RAPIST AND MURDERER". Is this finnish brainwashing propaganda or what?

>>79016236
I never see them referring to themselves as European, they usually refer to themselves as Slavs and as inferior to Western Europeans.

>>79016213
Stopping Communism, which killed Finnics from Russia.

POW camps are a legit thing. Enemy fighters won't be allowed to sabotage things.

>>79016271
>not really
What a surprise.

>>79016022
Polls show that most Russian don't see their country as a part of Europe
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/russland-deutsche-wollen-engere-partnerschaft-laut-umfrage-a-1089428.html

>>79016226
Correct, USA is an arbitrary thought that doesnt exist in reality and no one is defined by it, there is no such thing as US people nor reason.for anyone to.care about US other than brainwashing of the aforementioned to be in the interests of its elites for its profit, nothing else.

>>79016277
lol those numbers are totally random and you just made them up. never ever anyone even tried to actually calculate it because nobody gives a shit

>>79016229
What did i say about technicality?

WE WEREN'T BLOODY AXIS SINCE WE DIDN'T SIGN THE AXIS PACT. YOU CAN JUST SAY WE FOUGHT ON THE AXIS SIDE OR THAT WE FOUGHT WITH GERMANS

I dunno what makes your illiterate gopnik brain so hard to reach.

>>79016285
>they usually refer to themselves as Slavs
sopa de macaco strikes again

>>79016185
where is it supposed to make cars? in a country that doesn't exist?

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>>79016290
> Stopping Communism, which killed Finnics from Russia.

you killed anticommunist russians

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jes helo i lik rusya

>>79016261
european means european dumbfuck

>>79016280
>Yes being able to play both sides during the most volatile peace in human history surely was bad for us, now gimme something new that they teach you in kremlin.
Same way you turned around against your Reich buddies, when you finally realized that they were fucked? You're like the Nordic jew, except poorer.

>In the way that the government strives for anti-russian sentiment?
I don't know what your government strives for, nor do I care, I do, however, see that your government still sits on the fence, like how it did for the longest time, to have neutral relations with Russia. Not only that, but I do know for a fact that a fair bit of business in Finland is owned or regulated by Russians. Had to deal with some Finnish business men in the past.

>>79016343
Also, Germany actually also didn't invade Soviet Union. It was millions of german soldiers, indvidually crossing the border with weapons in hands. Everything is possible, if you brainwash hard enough.

>>79016350
It makes cars in a land.

>>79016316
no shit, they've been alienated and fed propaganda on russian tv

they're still european though

>>79016375
useless term

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>>79016370
i lik svesnk kvinnar hello

>>79016375
And russian means russian.

>>79016329
no border uthopia?

>>79016261
>Eurasian?
african
ftfy

>>79016409
good post

>>79016284
Because the Russians don't have any fucking argumentation. They attacked us without any reason and still defend it like the thieves and murderers they are. A flamboyant style doesn't mean I'm wrong. Russians have never reflected on their wrongdoing. Never. Everyone else does it time to time, Brits on their colonies, Germans with the oven thingy, Americans with excessive force in Vietnam etc.

Russian status: NEVER. It's like they love murdering and stealing without a reason.

Not only do they refuse to admit their fault likely civilised human beans they also claim they brought something good and it was the other guys' fault. It's beyond denial.

>>79016316
Brits also don't view themselves as "European"

But that hardly matters. Whether Brits like it or not, they're clearly European in every single sense of the word.

>>79016419
>...b-because i said so!
you are ridiculous

>>79016402
4 million german soldiers majority forced to go.

>>79016356
In reality: Poles, which wasn't nice. Sorry, Poles.

Everyone was legit Commie tho.

>>79016450
No, I believe in fixing these retarded post national borders with pre national nationalist sentiments to realize there is no nation and to form national localized trade unions.

>>79016463
>They attacked us without any reason and still defend it like the thieves and murderers they are.
OI VEY, remember the 69 trillion mongols in the Winter War!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimosodat