Is liberal democracy a highway to economic success?

national socialism worked too

>>78967460
I think that was just the Germans

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>>78967436
>politics is anything but instrument

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>>78967436
not so sure about that

>>78967920
North Korea would be much richer if they had a decent political system. Bad politics = poverty.

>>78967962
>North Korea mentioned
like a clock
you just buzzwording with senseless phrases

>>78968055
I mentioned them, because I see an organized and hardworking people in NK'ers, who don't deserve to be that poor. Kim is stealing them of what they deserve.

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>>78968106
sound as typical liberal democracy

>>78968164
In a liberal democracy, supply and demand adjust themselves automatically at all times. It's the highest level algorithm you could possibly use and it's been proven time and time again to lead to success.

>>78967436
>>78967962
>>78968106
>>78968215
You have to go back
>>78967460
Yes but not Hitler's national "socialism"

>>78967460
No it didn't

germany had crazy levels of debt

>>78968106

desu you likely overestimate their level organization and hard work

it's the same reason why slavery was abolished and why the soviet union collapsed - people don't really work well unless they have a very personal motivation to get a better life

from what i heard norks are slackers like all the socialist workers

>>78968272
But they wouldn't be in a system which would at least aspire to give everyone equal chances. In such an environment you start to create and invent to ensure your own success.

Don't get me wrong, I do know Korea's relationship with copying and stealing. But even envisioning a useful product and bringing it to life to sell it to foreign and domestic markets is something they cannot do right now.

>>78968243
(You)

>>78967436
Free market is the highway to economic success. The lesser the State intervenes into the economic sphere, the better is the economic situation.

>>78967460
Cretin

Give Germany 5 more years and they went to bankruptcy.

>>78968215
>In a liberal democracy, supply and demand adjust themselves automatically at all times
what if you have no producing powers?
what is concurrence?
do you really think that small fish had a chance to still political subject in relation with dominant power?
liberal democracy just a facade of the system with straight economical hierarchy
it looks good if you ignore absolute irresponsibility of dominant subject

>>78968245

just like usa has?

the point it's what's working it's the market economy while the political system is secondary as long as it allows the market economy to work

btw i hardly can call usa a liberal democracy desu, it's significantly more autocratic than european countries, its economy works wonders regardless

>>78968404
NK has a ton of producing power.

>b-but where is their power play?

Typical Russian. SK managed to rise just fine economically even with China being right on their doorstep.

>>78968475
Nazi Germany would of went bankrupt if they hadn't started a war lad.

Hitlers spenderture on military was to much for the German economy to handle without one.

>>78968528
>NK has a ton of producing power.
soviets had too liberalization destroyed big part of it cuz of global market
economical and political power are both instruments and you ignore it

>>b-but where is their power play?
said sick gnome of europe who wouldn't survive without leeching

i'm talking not about international relations but inner economical concurrence
do you understand that economics should serve interests of the people ?
liberal democracy is very open to "make a problem to make money on it" kind of behaviour
>SK
lets ignore western investment which is happens exactly because of political rivalry in that region

>>78968528
1)we both know that with more political power your country would have more economical power
its obvious fact
2)liberal model is not best
its situative its better if it used in proper time and if you take it as a sacred cow but not a tool you're not a political subject and able to serve your own interests

>>78967460
Uh...didn't Germany get completely flattened in a war with millions dead within 12 years of Hitler taking power?

>>78969211
>and able to serve your own interests
and not able to serve your own interests
fix

>>78968875
>soviets had too liberalization destroyed big part of it cuz of global market
Soviet industry was almost totally geared towards the defense industry and was at least 15-20 years behind the US, Japan, and Western Europe technologically.

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>>78968475
>btw i hardly can call usa a liberal democracy desu, it's significantly more autocratic than european countries

>>78969211
>we both know that with more political power your country would have more economical power

then why shitholes with dictatorship always fall, unlike countries with democtatic society?

You can't have laisse-faire economics in a dictatorship, they always become a planned, top-down economy.

>>78967436
I'm not a political nor economic expert so excuse my childish analogy. I'd say when you have a big mass of uneducated people, you'd rather go hard on them (the people/citizen) somewhat socialistic like exploiting their working capability for a generation or two while enduring toward productivity. Then you slowly introduce democracy and you'll have a rapidly growing economic giant. Perhaps something like china.

Democracy is a function of a reasonably prosperous, middle class society...the poorer a country is, the more authoritarian its political system.