/balk/

>no more room in hell

>muslim population projections 2030 according to Pew Research

>macedonia

40.3%

>montenegro

21.5%

>bulgaria

15.7%

thought bulgaria would be higher desu

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>>78875815
transilvania e romania

>>78875853
one day brother :(

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>>78875815
Do you even own a Flax?

>>78875853
it would be but gypsies are too illiterate to read the quran and fill the paperwork to change their religion

>>78875853
No way its gonna be 15%, muslims in Bulgaria are basically disappearing.

>>78875815
Anglin looks like a bald troll doll

>>78875853
Musilims don't breed tho. Gypsies are.

>>78875905
this is sad. state power comes from a mult-eye-kulchural society

>>78875853
White nationalism will rise in the next 5 years

I predict 0% Muslims in europe by 2025

>>78875847
кхиндж

>>78875946
>White nationalism
>>>/a/lbania

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>>78875815
hello is this the same meme guy?

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>>78875853
Lol

>>78875946
White sharia will replace wh*te nationalism

>>78875957
lmao i remember that

>>78875999

sad

bulgarians had high potential as allah's chosen slavs

>>78875999
we must get back to the good times

>>78875999
this is not funny nor something to be proud of

bulgarian muslims are the pearl of our society

they were handpicked by the ottomans as the cream of the crop

>>78875999
-40%

Here it will be -100% when we enter EU

Macedonians will stay Muds will go

>>78875999
damn that looks good, did they just leave to the rest of the EU or Turkey?

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>>78876069

>>78876068

im sure macedonians said the same thing in 2001, any day now and the shqiptars will emigrate

>>78876113
>300,000
(X) doubt

>>78875999
I aways wonder, do they count everyone with bg pasos or only the ones living in Bulgaria. Because there are at least 100k "turk bulgarians" living in Turkey.

>>78875999
DELET

>>78875999
>There are less muslims in Bulgaria now than there were in the Ottoman empire

Finally

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>>78876119
Shqiptars are subhumans and harmless

They can't do anything here next to fertile Macedonians

The fuck is you problem desu, bulgar are turks live in peace and harmony for centuries. Turks are integral part of our teritory.

>>78876226
>macedonian army

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>At the 2011 census answering the question for religion was not obligatory

i guess that explains bulgaria's -40% drop

isla islaam<3

>>78876245
>isla islaam<3
what does that mean

>>78876226
>allowing womyn into the army

PAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHA

Imagine the battle starts and the womyn is on her period, she will just take the day off.

>>78876297
balkanites say it when they see something cute

>>78876237
good relations are fine but what do you have against 'Muslims' leaving Bulgaria at greater rates than Bulgarians? good god man, Bulgaria at some points under Ottoman rule was more Muslim than Christian, how cucked are you

>>78876237
This. Bulgarian muslims are peaceful, good people. Why the hate? Why do they have to suffer for the choices of their great-great-great grandparents?

>>78876332
These people lived here for decades. They are as local as any of us.

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took this picture in braila today, didn't know some famous bulgarian used to live here

>>78876066
Right Serdar, right

>>78876069
Both equally. Many went to Germany and especially Belgium

>>78876068
Your only chance is an union with us, not even memeing

>>78876135
Ca. 400k, but they dont count them in our census as they dont live here

>>78876370
>>78876334
>>78876237
this

>>78876298
imagine getting shot and a wymyn has to carry you

imagine having to march for 50 km and a womyn can't carry her own weight

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>>78876226

at this point in time macedonia has not learned yet how to be multicultural. macedonia is not going to be the monolithic society it once was. shqiptars are going to be at the center of it, its a huge transformation to make, macedonia is now going into a multicultural mode. without that transformation macedonia will not survive

t. tonibarbara spekteraj

>>78876370
they've lived there for centuries but what do you have against them emigrating at greater rates than Bulgarians if they have the opportunity? do you think some of them preferred Turkey to Bulgaria because they love Bulgaria so much?

>>78876375
Theres a neighborhood in Bucharest called the Bulgarian neighborhood.

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How can this Aryan be from Varna? I thought East Bulgarians were Greco-Turks and West Bulgarians were the Aryans.

>>78876384
Don't lie to the Macedonian. They're their own nation now and make their own choices. Like it or not, they will get into the EU. Once that happens a union with us is literally obsolete. We should instead focus on improving our own country so that we can attract them. Forcing people to join us against their will is only a recipe for disaster.

>>78876237
Its not like theyve been forced to leave with a gun at their head...oh wait many have...AXAXAXAXAXAXA

>>78876308
interesting

>>78876375
>Хpиcтo Бoтev
>V

other than that, it's pretty decent from romanians to put that monument tbx

>>78876402
LOL at least you proved you can be white when you hosted dailystormer

i'm actually cool with albanians and whites and only hate gypsies

>>78876430
Greeks here were everywhere, almost all were assimilated, some even have their greek names still, but dont speak greek. Friend of mine has last name parteniotis but we just call him Vizantieca.

>>78876451
Who said something about forcing? I said my opinion. They can enter the eu all day for all I care faggot

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albanian kachaks liberated skopje once, we are pisskiper and fight for freedom

when will rich makkedonians give smol albania reparations

Europe needs a common enemy, and that enemy is the jew. Whites, blacks, asians, muslims, christians, can all live in peace once the jew is stripped of his powers and banished and can no longer incite hatred and conflict among us.

>>78876511
they hosted dailystormer because white countries didn't want to

>>78876509
>pretty decent from romanians

Romania hates more than any other neighbor. They cannot be decent toward us.

>>78876571
Preach it, brotha

>>78876679
Bullshit

>>78876577
The day I peacefully live with a bunch of african subhumans in europe has yet to come you cuck

>>78876679
what? lmao..

>>78876728
>>>/s/iberia

>>78876571
Look at small Srbija, cute, looks like cant do harm

>>78876772
this will unironically be their size by 2030

>>78876772
still too big

>>78876757
Fuck off memer, africans have nothing to do with Europe and should fuck off

>>78876757
>Nothing Found

>>78876816
>>>/pol/
>>>/c/ave

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/08/kirkuk-votes-part-kurdish-independence-poll-170829134834287.html

>>78876849
>>>/c/uck

>>78876816
>africans have nothing to do with Europe
>t. Kublai Khan

>>78876916
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2005/06/08/1386177.htm


wh*tey btfo haha

>>78876979
I'm always leery of explanations relying on sperm competition especially since we seem to have lost some of those adaptations compared to other primates. is it possible that men just find hetero fucking hotter than nude women or lesbian sex since it's their purpose after all?

>>78876979
t. Subhuman 68iq nigger

mad wh*te cuck

Space movie was good malaka I give it 7/10 gyros.

>>78877208
t.gqur

ubi se selqnine

>>78877301
what the fuck is space movie, you drunken hobo? did you create the sci-fi equivalent of scary movie in your headlet?

>>78876567
Be sure to tell him every little detail you can about your nation's defenses! He's perfectly assimilated after all!

>>78877356
>defences
no need lol there are no defences

>>78877373
>AMERIKKKA WILL SAVE US!!!1
t. Bulgaristan province of the Neo-Ottoman Empire circa 2030

>>78877328
Pandorasomething , space noas ark with fast mutation n sheet. For a moment I thought they were discount genestealers.

>>78877247
>black semiape directing word at white people
I cannot remember having allowed you to speak

>>78877404
>anatolian delusions

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>>78877426
>wh*te
>""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""people"""""""""""""""""""""""

>>78877404
Turkish army cannot even beat pkk, I lost all respect desu

>>78877417
must be Pandorum, it was ok from what I remember

>>78877432
sup Deandre DaQuonsov howsabout summadat rakija witchyor double cheese burger namsayin?????

>>78877466
Sorry I dont speak ape

>>78877486
eh asymmetric warfare is very difficult to be dealt with

>>78877526
But we speak rape
*unzips dick*

>>78877486
GORILLA WARFARE
O
R
I
L
L
A

>>78877516
say no mo senpai
>>78877526
and i dont speak snowape

>>78877551
Thats what theyll find here, plus dozens of bewildered 2500plus mountains. They cant do shit, it would go on for ages and theyd have heavy casualties.

>>78877585
>speak Slavic
>I don't speak snowape

ha?

Human
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Dogs
Cats
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Pigs
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Birds
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Insects
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Reptiles
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Dirt
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...
Africans

>>78877796
Human
...
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Dogs
Cats
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Pigs
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Birds
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Insects
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Reptiles
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Dirt
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Africans
...
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(You)

>>78877796
non-wh*tes
...
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Dogs
Cats
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Pigs
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Birds
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Insects
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Reptiles
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Dirt
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wh*tes

Name africans contributing most to modern mankind:
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...

>>78876509
>Къщтa

>>78877609
eh asymmetrical warfare would not be effective during an actual invasion and especially when you have 0 experience with that. the whole modus operandi of pkk is to ambush soldiers or military vehicles with IEDs, and then cross the border to iraq. the terrain in eastern anatolia is not only perfect but huge as well for that kind of stuff. even if you manage to get the whole thing working somehow, at best you'll kill bunch of soldiers and blow up few outposts while your actual military targets are taken down

are albanians wh*te?

>>78877994
Yes

>>78878249
is that good or bad

I just want a government like Hungarys'
I don't want to vote for Golden Dawn but they are forcing me

>>78878416
by a government like hungary, you mean just fuck the refugees or is there something else you have in mind?

>>78878503
I also want to have the same freedom's
as I have now

Daily reminder to everyone that "Macedonian" ethnicity doesn't exist. It was literally made up during the early Yugoslav years when they formed a """""country""""". All macedonians (not counting shiptards) are either Bulgarian or Serbian.

My grandfather (born 1925) used to tell me that the village he grew up in fully saw itself as Serbian, and did for centuries. However, he does agree that the greater majority in the country are Bulgarians.

thank god I am white desu

I listen to the Albanian accent in songs like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2rTafbQepg

and Greek songs and the first thing I think is they are foreign and Western. I realized I associate Eastern people with Slav-like sounds. Weird.

>>78878664
We know that already burgerbro

>>78878687
>slav
Meme ethnicity created by russians to rule the eastern world under muh slav banner

>>78878784
meme these days sure but created by the Russians?

>>78878784
That's a retarded conspiracy. Slavs just zerged-out Europe. We are 250 million

>>78878855
Regardless if you are serb or bulgarian, in both cases you are not a slav. What do you have in common with a Polak except some common words? Nothing.

>>78878994
or with a belarusian

>>78878994
well it's just a linguistic category these days, like romance

>>78878725
yes, but trust me there are burgers perusing /balk/ daily who don't know.

>>78879227
And why should we care?
Fuck burgers and fuck drumpfydoodledoo

Americans have circumcised cocks, opinion disregarded

>>78879190
There seems to be an undertone of shared struggle and misery that all Eastern Europeans can relate too. I mean fuck, even as a serb I get along best with all other Eastern Europeans (except belarussians I don't know what the fuck is up with them). They're also the funnest to drink with.

>>78879388
you can do that with the downtrodden underclass everywhere

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Took me a while to notice that this pic has been taken in a fisherman village in Bulgaria and not in Bangladesh

>>78879422
>in Bulgaria and not in Bangladesh
Does it really matter?
2 countries 1 people

>>78879447
you have a very strange fetish bro

>>78879475
LMAOd!@!

>>78879388
I can't relate like this the anyone outside of EE. Maybe sometimes Chinese, but that's it.

>>78879541
Like & Subscribe !!!

>>78879388
Its cause you arent here so you try to find subconsciously people with similar faith/background.

Ohayo balk

ПУTКИ ИCКAM КУPBИ, ПAPИ, ПИEHE И PAЗBPAT ЯCHO ЛИ E?

>>78881013
degenerate

>>78881117
*КЪCA CИ TEHИCКATA*
MИШКO EЛA ПPEД PAДИCЪHA ДA BИДИM КOЙ E ДEГEHEPAT БE MУХЪЛ.

>>78881254
к'ъв paдиcън бe кaпyт cлeд т- 5 cъм нa пилoнитe

>>78881432
Mи хyy бe бaткa тaкa кaжи. Eй ca пaлим Q7-тa дo HДК и cъм тaм.

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I am at the Mad Greek in Primm. The place is a dump, the food is so-so, the guy at the counter is Chinese, and they are playing a Turkish song.

Why is Bosnia the only good Balkan country?

w-where did vuno go ;3

>>78881616
no wonder the Greek is so mad after all that bullshit

Why do provincials have dumb faces?

Just look at a provincial Instagrams and compare it to a masterrace capital dweller. It's like they are from different countries. They can't dress and they have no taste in anything except the normiest of normie shit.

>>78882450
t. shitfian wannabe

>>78879388

>There seems to be an undertone of shared struggle and misery that all Eastern Europeans can relate too

not really. the balkans is not like the other part of east europe at all

>>78882450
>i have achieved so little in my life that i take pride in the longitude and latitude that i happened to be born in

>>78882748
by the same argument it is not fitting to be born na selo and be proud of it

>one chance at life
>not a Makedon or a ROMAnian

Feels good t b h you cucks.

no
it can't be

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>>78884085
Lamoooooooooooooooo

>>78884314

Sup Gayreek?

>>78884394
sup cuck
what's new?

>>78884407

Nothing. All my life is dull af lately. I never felt more depressed. What about you cuck?

>>78884456
finally the heat is over
i can stop having the fan on all the time but nothing much in general

>>78884085
Where is she? Where is poetry girl?

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Could I pass as a balkaner?

>>78887167
Omg what is wrong with his nose

Bump for the bump god.

>>78887167
Are you wh*te?
No? Then you are a Balakn

>>78887167
no, you look like a beaner

>>78884085
lamo cucks it's me your efundi

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I have fats ineterts))))

Subhuman slavs and roman slavs, thinking they're balkan when they have WOW 50MBPS

you sneaky bulgarian
misusing your retarded 4chan position to ban me for no reason

delete anti bulgarian stuff and trash

but when its about Greece you keep the threads alive you sneaky slavshit

>>78890476
Welcome back m8

>>78890476
:D

wew, the nolifer is back

good morning to the rest

>>78890592
Since when did you become anti-semit Iki?
Also wasnt your reddit nickname Jehudi?

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>>78890535

>>78890720
Nice that you highlight all stolen territories which are part of nowadays Romania.

Niggas I got the uni I wanted YEEEAAHH

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>>78890763

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>>78890753
>>78890517
Really made me think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPoZcFnHg14

This guy is so insane

>>78890741
Its a interesting thing when a nation is composed only by stolen territories. One has to ask: who was the first territory to start steeling the rest.

>>78890741
Its actually the excellent policies of land distribution to the peasants who made the Romanian regions so populated.

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>>78890853
This one

I am Greek

>>78890935
blasphemy

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>>78890950
Jesus said
slavs are subhumans

evangelium markus 35:11

>>78890870
But this one was a entity created by Romanian nationalism. And all of the provinces above had a Romanian absolute majority (except for maybe Dobrogea but it was forced on us by Russia)

>>78890868
17M for such a landmass isnt very populated.
Its even low populated in fact.

>>78890978
even more blasphemy, youll burn for that

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>>78891011
thou shall not talk to a slavshit

lucas 22:8

>>78890995
Its actually 20 million. A basic google search can help. And it is fairly well populated compared to most of our neigbours. Even by population density.

>>78891152
Come home brother

>>78891136
Its never more than 17M, millions of Romanians live abroad but keep their registration in Romania, I know at least 10 persons doing so, I can imagine they are not the only one.

>>78891223
>its 17m because I know so!
The buthurt is huge mate.

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>>78891223
Any way. Here is the new Dacia Duster! They just revealed it today.

>>78891282
Ok, live in your fantasy

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If Turkey goes rogue, do we side with them against the wh*te """people"""?

>>78891378
just fuck off

>>78891321
In all statistics we only bleed 120k per year. We cant have 17 million imbecile. Its not mathematically possible since in the last census we had 20.5 million from 2011.

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>>78891310
>haHAA here's another kinda new dacia recycled with parts from older renault cars

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Why did Bulgaria never have a proper fascist dictator? why aren't Bulgarians more like based Greek ubemensch?

>>78891401
What exactly on 'they continue keeping their registration in Romania' did you not understand you fat fuck?

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>>78891407
They use what ever they can to cut down costs. But so what? Its good, popular and one of the best selling cars in the EU

>>78891395
>siding with ameriburgers or rushankas instead of our turkic brothers

>>78891442
Just move there Serdar, you can experience your turkish brothers every day for 24/7

>>78891420
At the census you have to be physically present mate. Its like saying there are only 5 million Bulgarians because they "keep their registration there"...you can basically do the same relative to every other EE nation.
keep your delusions and fantasies safe :)

>be Traditionalist Western Art
>be /pol/ack and probably amerifat
>share shit that doesn't have anything to do with western art (i.e. "more africans coming to europe because of new policy")
>comment "lol who cares they brought this to themselves and they deserve it"
>get banned
>same page complains about lefties not tolerating different perspectives

why are wh*tebois so mad, /balk/?

>>78891207
This is just rude

>>78891479
We dont have this issue here, our migration is only minus 4000 per year, issue is with death rate.

Also, when someone is at the store during census or at work they dont count him because he is not physically present? Come on :D
Its about knocking at the door, if nobody opens they count the number of registrated people there, this is how census work. I know it first hand, probably even know more Romanians than you, educated people, the ones youd like to keep in your country. You sit at home and read some shitty stats, but have no clue of real life. Thats why I find these stats highly amusing, census also says 600k gypsies in Romania, whilst you know very well they are over 2M.

>>78891486
Wh*tebois can't handle shit
>"Yeah we invented spices and used them the most"
>Can't handle them

>>78891486
Merkel said yesterday Africans should go home and not expect anything in Europe.
Brownies lost im afraid.

before balk

>hated fyrom
>liked greece
>liked croats and bosnia
>hated islam
>angry at turks

after balk

>like macedoniana and tatars
>still like greeks but find them to be a bit of an irritating bunch
>hate yugoslavs
>dislike romanians because they are slavic cocksuckers
>like turkey
>warming up to islam

post yours

>>78891615
glad you took the true red pill

>>78891535
My friend you are the most aged society in Europe. OFC you have low emigration when there is nothing left inside but old people and the complacent. If you think there is a 3M statistical gap at a Q&A questionnaire with no legal repercussions it just show how delusional you are.
>600k gypsies in Romania, whilst you know very well they are over 2M.
Who are you qoting here? Sorors NGO? please man :D let the baits go

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>Rosbey
now i've seen everything from this shithole of a general

>>78891576
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/angela-merkel-says-most-refugees-should-go-home-after-isis-has-been-defeated-a6844851.html

This isn't exactly recent news.
She's been saying for 2 years that after Iraq and Syria win their big battles all the refugees should head out.

>>78891660

wrong, s*rvia is the most aged country in europe

their average is 42 not even trolling

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>>78891535
Nice stats but the nomad curry niggers are probably 5m as they only tell you the true ethnicity when they're about to beat you up.
>mfw there are still some with funny hats and moustaches moving around with their caravans and selling spoons and pots

>>78891576
lamooo
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/european-leaders-agree-new-asylum-policy-for-africans-36078424.html

A 3rd generation New Yorker teams up with an Italian Nazi sympathizer, his milf and a crazy nazi scientist to kill three really old men.

>>78891697
Nah man. I'm sure they are 10 million in fact. Or maybe 17 million actually.

>most slavic countries die out of old age
>russia dismantled by tatars chechens and other minorities with the help of china
>west europe islamified far worse than the balkans ever was
>mass african starvation and population collapse due to no aid

whitey, slavs, and niggers may all die out very soon. I love this timeline

before balk

>hated fyrom
>liked greece
>liked serbia
>hated islam and bosnia
>neutral towards albania (we fuck their women so I can't really hate them)
>hate turks

after balk

>hate fyrom more now
>still like greece
>still hate islam and bosnia
>dislike albania
>hate turks even more now

>>78891812
t. KellyFAT

>>78891812
What about us?

>>78891812
Before /balk/:
>we should annex macedonia
>we should annex dobruja
>we should annex solun
>we should annex odrin
>sofia should be capital of the balkans

After /balk/:
>macedonia is full of albanians, we dont need it
>dobruja is full of gypsies, we dont need it
>solun is full if jews, we dont need it
>odrin is full of turks, we dont need it
>give sofia away too

>>78891881
so /balk/ turned you into a selfhating numale cuckold?

sounds right

>>78891881
>give sofia away too
Can we have it? I hear you have mountains nearby

>>78891660
Ok, further discussions are senseless it seems.

>>78891746
2M at least, yes.

have any of you ever meet a vlach? if so post experiences

>>78891918
It was senseless to begin with. Subjectivity and callousness is bad to begin with.

>>78891837
t. kellyprojector

>>78891859
Always liked you

>>78891881
KEK

>>78891881
>>78891903
No, don't. They'll want to make ghostly infrastructure with 10x the sum before even making the papers for it.

>>78891965
Every time I look in the mirror. All I can say is hes fat but a decent guy. And white

>>78891995

i meant aromanians and such, not gypsies such as your flag

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I am going to be honest with you guys, please don't judge

>Before balk
Hated Albanians
Hated fyromians (they wanna steal our history reeeeee)
Hated Bulgarians because I literally thought they're all gypsies
Indifferent towards Romania
Loved Serbia
Hated Turkey

>After balk
Still hating Albanians, the Muslim ones. The others look ok
Found myself loving Macedonians, they're lovely lads (not when they're dressed like anticki tho)
Started liking Bulgarians, turns out they're good guys too when they don't come after Thessaloniki
Still loving Serbia
Liking Romania, it has become a beacon of progress around our peninsula
Still hating Turkey, apart from those who live in the shores and look literally balkan

Today the communists surrendered to the Greek Army and the Communist war ended
Another great victory for Greece

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>>78892014
I like them too I just don't want them here or alive

>>78891881
Your a sucker for not wanting Dobrogea. We built a huge port there and Mamaia is nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tvIVqv2FYg

>>78892014
I'm coming for Solun next week, by the way. Bringing a gang of armed thugs too.

>>78892014

thumbsdown for Islamophobic
thumbsup for open minded

fuck football manager desu, every time things start going well for me suddenly my players start playing like shit and we get stomped by a worse team. How can my tactics work for a month and then not work. It's not complacency either

>Before balk
Me
>After balk
The same, except dislike Transylvanians

>>78892154
This

>>78892134
>still playing jewball manager
>in 2017

balk made me hate turks even more

>>78892183
I'm addicted

>>78892187

success breeds jealousy

>>78892190
Played since 200-01 until 2008. Got bored with the developer and their closed ears

I play Manager on fifa 17

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before /balk/

>hated homos
>hated islam
>hated niggers

after balk
>massaging my prostate with a black monster dildo while reading the quran

>>78892154
In all fairness the "I'm a Transylvanian guy" is probably just Radu.

>>78892249
>probably

>>78892168
:3 Don't be mad bro

>>78891965
The truth is that nobody knows the exact truth, but most likely Vlachs were semi nomadic people wandering around the Balkans with their sheeps in the present territories of Greece, Albania, Bulgaria, etc. In fact, they have nothing to do with Dacians, nor with Romans. What happened was that few Vlachs went to study in Western-Europe in the XIX. centuries, they realized that there are similarities between Latin and their language. This was during the time when nationalism was rising throughout Europe, when smaller and less important nations and people tried to find their identity to have something to be proud of which strengthen their national consciousness. This lingual similarity led to an idea that maybe Vachs have something to do with Romans and Dacians who used to live in the Carpathian-basin until the IV. century. The Roman and Dacian presence in this territory was proven with archaeological findings - like pots and kettles, remains of settlements, etc.. Another thing that made it obvious for Vlachs that they are descendants of Romans and Dacians, that Vlachs lived in Transylvania. Vlachs like to refer to an old Hungarian epic novel, Gesta Hungarorum, as an evidence for the Vlach presence in the territory of Transylvania.

However, all these things can be explained and confute easily. Romans and Dacians hated each other and they lived together in the Carpathian-basin only for a short period. The idea, that these two different nations who hated each other and lived together for such a short period, got mixed and made little children who then populated the area and became the ancestors of Vlachs is more than laughable. The idea that after the two high cultured people,

>>78892012
http://m.adevarul.ro/locale/botosani/cine-fost-flaccus-misteriosul-personaj-aflat-originea-cuvantului-valah-apoi-termenul-a-alunecat-inspre-roman-1_55e98908f5eaafab2c403f77/index.html

But those you talk about are macedovlachs you bitch ass burger, and their language is pretty close to ours with a eastern romanian accent (moldavian).

>>78892347
Romans and Dacians left the territory, their weird descendants stayed there and became Vlachs - uncultured illiterate shepherds - is ridiculous. The fact is that many people settled down in the territory of Carpathian-basin from the IV. century until the IX. century, Huns, Goths, Gepids, Avars then Magyars. The chance, that high cultured Romans had sex with their hated enemy, the Dacians, then their children became wandering low cultured shepherds in the IV. century who survived the Huns, Gepids, Goths, Avars and Magyars, then a Cuman nobleman founded a country for them only in the XIV. century, is like Zero. Nobody ever mentioned any connection between Dacians, Romans and Vlachs. The Dacian language was not documented, they do not know how it sounded, all the present day Vlachs have is pure theory based on nothing. The Gesta Hungarorum which they like to quote, is an almost 1000 year old Hungarian document. Hungarians - aka Magyars - arrived in the Carpathian-basin in the late VIII. century. The document was written in the XI. century, three centuries after the happenings, you can guess how accurate and well documented the history was in that time, when the writing is not a common thing at all and not too many documents were born.

>>78892368
But what is in the Gesta Hungarorum? Shortly, Hungarians came and had some epic battles with the people living around the Carpathian-basin. It mentions three leaders, and one of them was allegedly Vlach - which is false on its own already. Even one of the leaders meant to be Vlach really, it was not written that they lived in those territories, only the battles were mentioned. This was in the times when most of the people were wandering and conquering in Europe, so these leaders - like one of them, the Bulgarian leader - could come from South, from the Balkans. The backstory is that this opus - Gesta Hungarorum - was ordered by the Hungarian king from Anonymus - who was a clerk/writer of the king - and he wanted to write an epic story about the glorious Hugarian conquers when they took their homeland. This epic, historically far not accurate “novel” also says, that Hungarians - Magyars - are descendants of Attila - Huns - who had his capital in the Carpathian-basin around the IV-V. century during the Hun conquers in Europe. This means that according to Gesta, Magyars were already in the Carpathian-basin - including Transylvania - already in the IV-V. century, and in the VIII. century they just came back, because they found that territory rich in water and food. If you wanna refer to Gesta as an official 100% accurate historical document, then you need to consider the above, and you need to accept not only one part of the writing but the whole one, including Magyars being in Transylvania already in the IV-V. century, which is proven by Gesta, and that is several centuries earlier, than the first mention of Vlachs in the area.

>>78892385
What can be true from Gesta regarding the Hungarian part? It is known that Magyars - Hungarians - lived in the Eastern part of the Ural mountains. It is known that they were nomadic/semi nomadic people that time. It is knows that Huns were an alliance of nomadic and semi nomadic tribes, not homogeneous people. Most likely Magyars joined the Huns during their conquers in Europe in the IV-V. century.

What about the Vlachs in Gesta? Most likely they were mentioned, because that time when Gesta was written, was the time when Vlachs started to appear around Transylvania - from the territories of the later Moldova and Wallachia - and Anonymus wanted to write an epic opus in favor of the Hungarian king, which shows, how big and great the Magyars were. Magyars were a warrior people, it was a pride to win battles, and be better fighters than others, and Anonymus wanted to write a memento about this, which reflects how Magyars were stronger than the neighbouring people who live around the kingdom.

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>I know unrelated people from Moldova
>they all look like Russians)))

What happened in Moldova during Soviet times?

>>78892401
Now let’s see some facts. Latin was the common language in Europe, it was the official language even in Hungary for centuries, until the XIX. century. Vlachs lived in the Balkans most probably like I mentioned, that is why they have many Albanian words in spite of they are not neighbours. Vlachs use cyrillic letters and have orthodox religion - like Greeks. Vlachs were mostly illiterate shepherds and they did not have their own words for many things. Since the Balkans was the part of the Roman Empire for long time where the latin dominated, they could borrow lot of Latin words from them. They could borrow their Latin words from Kingdom of Hungary as well well, since Vlachs were vassals of the Hungarian King for centuries. Vlachs - aka romanians - having much more latin words since the XIX. century, since they figured it out that they have some Latin blood - which is not true. From the XIX. century, when the Daco-Roman continuity theory was born, Vlachs asked everyone to call them Romanians and they changed the name of their country to Romania - referring to Romans. From the XIX. there has been a strong nationalist propaganda, they invested lot of time and energy to convince the world they are descendants of Dacians and Romans, they changed their name, they changed the name of their country, they changed their official history, they tried to latinize their language even harder, later they started to manufacture Dacia cars, referring to their fake Dacian heritage, and so on. This amount of manipulation is almost individual in the history.

>>78892428
What about Vlachs in Transylvania? How they got there? Vlachs were different groups of semi nomadic, low cultured shepherds in the Balkans. There are still big Vlach groups in the Balkans even nowdays. A part of them started to migrate to North around the X-XI. century to the territories of Wallachia and Moldova. They did not have noblemen and significant leaders and they were not well-organized, so they were not able to found a country for themselves until the XIV. century - FYI Hungary was founded in 1000, in the end of the X. century. When the Tatar invasion of Europe started, there were like 2 million Hungarians living in Kingdom of Hungary. During the Tatar invasion (1241–1242), half of the Hungarian population was killed by Tatars, there were huge empty territories in the kingdom. Our king settled different people from different regions in the empty territories who became vassals of the king - which meant they needed to protect the kingdom and serve the king in case of external attacks. That was the time when the first bigger group of Vlachs appeared in the Eastern parts of the Kingdom. Later on, Hungary was always a battlefield of big empires, there were many battles and wars, but the biggest problems started with the Ottoman invasion, when the battle of Mohács was lost by the Hungarians. Then 150 years battles and wars began between the Hungarians and Ottomans, which had a result of a low population by the time the Ottoman empire was weakened enough and left the kingdom. This was the time - the XVIII. century - when many Vlachs decided to move in the empty territories of Hungary from the poverty of Wallachia and Moldova, because Hungary (Transylvania) was considered to be a much richer region than their country.

>>78892406
The Bessarabian Guberniya was returned where it always belonged.

>>78892449
Later the Hungarian leaders regretted their act of letting so many Vlachs in the country, because they were considered as really lazy and illiterate people. That is how the invading of Transylvania by the Vlachs started. We all know that a land is owned by the people who populate it, and we all know that less cultured people populate more than higher cultured people, by the XX. century more than half of the population of Transylvania became Vlach.

When Trianon happened there were still like 2,5 millions Hungarians living in Transylvania. The biggest cities had still Hungarian majority especially in the Northern regions. Transylvania was a thriving Hungarian and Saxon region of Europe, with many Vlachs. We all know what happened. In 1916 romanians had a secret agreement with the French, in case they enter the war and attack Austria-Hungary, they get Transylvania from the French. Romanians entered the war, but lost quickly, soon central troops were marching in Bucuresti. Romania quit the war and signed a treaty with central powers, but 1 day before the WWI. ended, they declared war again just to be on the winner side. This is how they acquired Transylvania, a land that was built, and inhabited mostly by Hungarians and Saxons for long time.

>>78892463
Summary.

Do romanians - aka Vlachs - have any historical right for Transylvania? No.
Do they have any right for it considering how they contributed to the culture, infrastructure, history of Transylvania? No. If you take a walk anywhere in Transylvania, you can find only buildings older than 100 year built by Hungarians and Saxons. You cannot find any cities built by romanians, neither orthodox churches older than 100 years, or just a really really few.
Did they have any right for it based on the population when Trianon happened? Only for a part of Transylvania, mostly the Southern parts, but still got the whole land. The richest, biggest cities had Hungarian majority. The biggest forced romanianization of Transylvania began during the Ceaucescu regime, when Ceaucescu settled many Vlachs in Transylvania and changed the ethnic rates with force. That was the time when the ugly soviet building estates grew like mushrooms and when the low cultured romanians from beyond the Carpathian mountains were moved to Transylvania - e. g. Kolozsvár.

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>>78892401
>>78892385
>>78892368
>>78892347
Sam'ba'pula. I understand a lot about you now.

>having all this posts saved in a file in order to post them at appropriate times

>>78892484
Do romanians have any evidence for their Daco-Roman history? No. Their oldest document is only 400 year old, it was written with cyrillic letters, the Dacian language is not documented, their Latin words are borrowed from the time when the Balkans was part of the Roman Empire and when Latin was the common language in Europe. Dacians and Romans hated each other, they lived together only for short period, even if they had had some descendants in the IV. century, they could not survive the times of Hun, Gepid, Goth, Avar, Magyar conquers, also there is a 1000 year gap in this story, what happened between the IV. century (when Dacians and Romans disappeared from there) and the XIV. century (when finally Vlachs had a country)? Gesta Hungarorum mentions battles and not Vlachs living there, also if Gesta Hungarorum is a historically accurate writing then, Magyars must be descendants of Attila and they were in Carpathian-basin already in the V. century, when there was not any mention of Vlachs.
Do romanians have any right for Transylvania based on their own power? No. The french gave them the land as a gift, romanians joined war in 1916 and lost it already in 1917, then declared war again in 1918, 1 day before war ended. They backstabbed the Hungarians.

>>78892506
Do romanians have any right for Transylvania based on WWII? No. They backstabbed their allies once more and switched side in the last months of the war just because they were scarred of the soviet troops. They rather killed their own leader just to finish the war again on the winner side. Filthy tricks again.
Is there any chance for Transylvania to rejoin Hungary again? Yes, there is always a chance. If the forced romanianization of Transylvania can be stopped and the mother country - in this case Hungary - is strong enough and has good relationship with the great powers - which she has at the moment -, then there is a chance, but it takes time. Do not forget an important fact, Transylvania was ruled by Hungary for 1000 years, and ruled by Romania for 95 years.
How can this happen? There are several possibilities, but for a rejoin, a strong Hungarian population boom is necessary in all cases. However, the first steps can be the following. There are 3 counties in Transylvania which still had Hungarian majority - one of them is closing to an 50–50% tho now -, this part is Szeklerland. Szeklers are really individual ethnic group, they want to have autonomy from the romanian government and they did not give up to reach this autonomy. The autonomy is not a new thing, it was recorded also in the treaty of trianon, and autonomy was provided for Szeklers until the Ceaucescu regime for years. If they manage to reach this autonomy, and they do well in the self government, this can be a first step. However they would not have any common borders with the mother country, so an ethnic change in the remaining part of Transylvania would be necessary.

>>78892533
Another option is that even the Transylvanian romanians feel that it would be better to get separated from Romania. Bucuresti exploiting the resources of Transylvania, which is the richest part of Romania. The reason is simple, there are many minerals, raw materials, forests, fresh water, animals, tourist destination in Transylvania - more than Dracula, who by the way got his land in Transylvania from the Hungarian king and was a vassal of him for long time - and so on which make Transylvania rich. Also the cultural diversity makes it much more different than rest of Romania. Also geographically Transylvania is devided from Wallachia and Moldova - actually geographically it easier belongs to Hungary. So there is a higher chance that in the first step Transylvania gains its autonomy from Romania, this is a common will within Transylvania in all ethnic group. In the second step, there are three options. Either the romanians and Szeklers agree on the autonomy of Szeklerland, then there will be an almost pure Hungarian region and almost pure romanian region. Or either Szeklers stay in the new country called Transylvania and a new multicultural country is born. And as a third option, after the autonomy of Transylvania, Romania losing its economy potential, and sinking to the level of Moldova, while Hungary becomes a strong, modern country, with huge economy potentials. This huge difference between the remaining part of Romania and Hungary can lead to some kind of stronger relationship between Hungary and Transylvania again - economy, social and other. They are in the European Union, but a strong cooperation between a strong Hungary and an autonomous Transylvania would have a result of a really thriving region.

>>78892505
>saved in a file
lmao, I just googled them cause I show interest in transylvania movement of independence

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>>78892506
>>78892484
>>78892463
>>78892449
>>78892428
>>78892401
>>78892385
>>78892368
>>78892347
Do you actually have this posts saved in some obscure file? holly shit.

This is particularly interesting and seems to reflect also on 4chan

>So there is a higher chance that in the first step Transylvania gains its autonomy from Romania, this is a common will within Transylvania in all ethnic group.

>>78879544
Well well.. Will you look at that...

Name?

i already knew romania was a non country based on pseudo history but this does not explain their large population and medieval principalities

>>78892550
>I just googled them
Sure you did bro.
>I show interest in Transylvania movement of independence
Ofc the most nationalist part of Romania would wish Independence.

>>78892614
>most nationalist part
>vlach damage control

>>78892609
>non country based on pseudo history
I assume you can develop literature and stability when you are right at the doorstep of every migratory horde right?

>>78892630
Indeed it is. and Also more developed then most of Hungary, and dont be so mad mate. We are all friends here.

>>78892659

so was every other balkan country and they have more believable ethnogenesis than UHH WE WUZ ROMANZ N SHIT

>>78892680
>so was every other balkan country
This is objectively false. Pecegens, Cumans, Tatars and Mongols did not borther their nations mate.

whats the most successful communist country in the universe?

>>78892782
Ironically North Korea was doing better then the capitalist South Korea until the 1980's

>>78892819
So North Korea was good until the soviet union collapsed?

>>78892860
Yes. It actually did better then South Korea.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/12/6/1167928/-How-North-Korea-Fell-Behind-South-Korea-Part-1

Before balk

>Hate albanians
>Suspect we are bulgarians
>Like greece and yugos
>Have no opinion on turkey

After balk

>Like greece more
>Albanians grow on me
>Accept bulgarian origins
>Love all yugos, even bosniaks
>Have respect for romania
>Become pan-balkan federalist

impressive how the turks could not successfully turkify the balkans in 500 years of direct administration

if russia conquered the balkans it would already be majority moscovite and descendants of native balkaners would be born to some poor families in Kazakhstan or kamchatka with a strange surname suggesting some weird extinct ancestry

>>78892953
Macedonia <33333

>>78892953

>pan balkan federalist

well then it's your duty to come up with a decent flag. the gross Egyptian looking tricolor that greek fag designed in the 1800s won't cut it

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>>78892680
>start as a colony
>kill all the savages that were the original inhabitants
>my land now
>exist till today by invading other territories and taking all of their resources

>witness the biggest fraud in the history when trump was elected
>act like the fraud didn't happen and put all the blame on the racist rednecks

>we'ez be believable and trustful n sheit

>>78893029

shoo shoo gypsy i have no coins for you

>>78893016
The Albanian byzantine eagle

Everyone uses that already

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>>78893151
>>78893151

>>78893090
>getting offended by being called a gypsy in 2017
sorry grandpa you're late to the party, that joke was relevant till late 2013

>>78892994
Did you see the chart where Belorussians are searching for "Job in Poland" more than "Job in Moscow"? They surpassed them in the last 2-3 years.

Poland is more popular for Belorussians who have freedom of movement with Russia than Russia itself. Russia is on the downfall.