why Japs so really bad bad at english?

>>78864572
Ultimately, most of us will never ever actually have a chance to use it in our lifetime in Japan because some elite smartasses translate everything for plebs and most Japanese cities have far from significant amount of westerners.

cuz they have culture and history?

cultural isolation, at least the modern version

Because they make their own games.

>>78864841
>far from significant amount of westerners

as long as you have significant amount of common sense not importing too many foreigners

Oh and also Anime, so they don't grow up watching American propaganda movies.

Japs aren't very smart people. Speaking English in a fluent and concise manner requires high intelligence.

>>78864572
They have no reason to use it. The Lingua Franca in Japan is Japanese.

>>78865030
Finns are subhumans, and I don't say this as a joke.

>>78865071

Oh no, some random Swedish immigrant called me a subhuman.

>>78865071
>>78865132
kek

>>78865071
hello karl gustav al-baghdadi

>>78864572
our English lesson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5QD4NOAvSs

>>78864931
You are talking to the foreigner in Japan

>>78864990
>they don't grow up watching American propaganda movies.

This is not very true though.
We (at least my generation) actually grew up watching a lot of Anglo media propaganda on the TV in the 90s and 00s. From family sitcoms to allies-centrered war documentaries to big budget films.

But again, all of them were subbed and/or dubbed with no exception and no one used them as a chance to learn English, and it was even impossible to do so since our language form sentences completely differently from English the subs don't help at all.

>>78865274
This kind of education influenced Korea a lot during Japanese occupation and that's why Koreans are suck at English too

>>78864572
Because Japanese is one of the most diffrent language from English and English education in Japan is shit and we don't use English in daily life(So I don't use English excpet 4chan).
>>78865382
South Korean language skills are high,aren't it?Why do South Korean speak Japanese fluently?
My South Korean friend speaks Japanese as same as Japanese

>>78865562
Well... I see well educated Koreans can read English but mostly they cant really make a conversation with foreigners because of this... I would say "translation based language education"?
they learn to translate every words inside of their heads!
and about koreans speaking Japanese, many Koreans like Japan these days and grammars are similar
it's way easier to learn Japanese than English
except the Kanji part

>>78865346
as a little kid, i thought all americans spoke japanese with the weird accent with which they dub english media into japanese.

>>78864572
You got sauce on that fat slut senpai?

>>78865692
Do you think english 학권 are a scam ? I know so many koreans who take lessons there but it doesn't seem to be effective.

>>78865692
>I see well educated Koreans can read English but mostly they cant really make a conversation with foreigners because of this
I get it.
It's like Japan but in Japan just a little Japanese can use English as same as natives
However I think many Japanese need to speak and use English fluently because here is Japan so only little Japanese who work to global and in the world need to use English fluently

>>78865915
>I think many Japanese need to speak and use English fluently
I mistake
>I think many Japanese DON'T need to speak and use English fluently

>>78865839
>Do you think english are a scam ? I know so many french who take lessons but it doesn't seem to be effective.

>>78865839
It was very effective to me. It gave me chance to talk with native speakers and that helped me a lot.
I guess it depends on how ready you are to study a language
most of them must be forced by their parents to be there

>>78865839
>학권
What is that?

Honestly why would they? They already live in a first world country that also happens to be one of the largest economies on the planet. There's no reason to learn English past basic phrases when they can get by perfectly using their own language.

>>78865997
I see, well I guess it's true, the main difficulty for me is to have conversations with Koreans.

>>78865988
what ?

>>78866034
private institutes, japanese have the same kind of thing I suppose.

>>78865915
>It's like Japan but in Japan just a little Japanese can use English as same as natives
that is what I thought when i meet Japanese people they're either very fluent or very bad
and also i strongly agree on that more people need to learn English

>>78866034
塾

>>78864572
FEET PLS

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>>78865997
>It was very effective for me. It gave me a chance to talk with native speakers and that helped me a lot.
I guess it depends on how prepared/motivated you are to study a new language

most of them? must be forced by their parents to be there (where?)

And tbqh English is the simplest indo-european language to learn.

>>78865915
oh wait you DON'T think lol
well I get your opinion
and Japan is a big and wealthy country
most people might dont need english

>>78866145

>And tbqh English is the simplest indo-european language to learn.

Spanish?

>>78866093
In Korea your job opportunities change drastically based on the fact that you are able speak english or not.

>>78866166
yeah.

>>78864572
You spaniards are not that much better at english than the japanese, considering our language and english are much closer than japanese and english.

>>78866115
I get it.
I have heared South Korea is more meritocracy(学歴社会) than Japan.
And most of famous universities are in Seoul,aren't they?
I think rent of Seoul are high so it seems hard

>>78866166
>>78866200

I think english is easier, even jorge could learn it.

I wonder if a Jap could speak Finnish better with the same amount of effort into learning it as English.

>>78866256
do you have any experience learning spanish?

How come Jap don't speaky ingly?

>>78866145
>guess it depends on how prepared/motivated you are to study a new language
yeah i said it right there
>most of them? must be forced by their parents to be there (where?)
the personal classes. many parents force their kid to go to personal classes
>And tbqh English is the simplest indo-european language to learn.
I agree but to Koreans, due to the grammar differences make it very hard to learn english
also like i said, Japanese influenced English education during Japanese occupation ruined Korean English education

>>78866283

si

>>78866353
as a french learning spanish is easier than english

>>78866157
Yeah.We don't have to use other language in Japan,it's same in South Korea,isn't it?(Because South Korea language is spoken by more 51 millions except North Korea)
But now we have to be active in the international community so little people need to use English fluently

>>78864572
It makes them look cute. It's all about kawaiiness, you see.

>>78866376

well, both come from latin so it's obviously easier for you since some words are similar.

>>78866241
It's not the same as before anymore. Nevertheless, to me, that's not just a life has ever been about. So I decided to grow complacent in my basement. In other words, I'm unemployed.

>>78866398
Unfortunately it's very different here.
Korea is too small
I mean literally
we have small population and small land
it's a real miracle that South Korea could grow this big and rich
and there was always been help and deals from other countries
Korea can never survive on it's own
also people here, are mostly dreamers

>>78866398
and business people wouldnt learn Korean i think
I think most of people who study Korean are koreaboos or kpop fan girls

>>78866643
Hey, I study korean

>>78866665
of course not all of them
Sorry my man ;-;

>>78866376
In theory, it should be easier to learn spanish if you are a french speaker and vice-versa, but nowadays with all the exposure the english language has, it's probably easier to learn english, or at least it was for me (Bien que je souhaite que le français soit encore la lingua franca :/)

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>>78866730
bullied again ;-;
actually I was studying on my own and I will go back to university this year, I will take courses of business in Korean with technical translation and stuff. When I joined the facebook group of this year's promotion there was 110 person, and in them only 5 guys. So yeah.

>>78866747
Yes I agree, it was easier for me too, actually I learnt english without trying.

>>78866467
topkek I wanna to be NEET,too.
But I have to work to get money.
>>78866580
more 50 millions are Small population?
That is big just because there are big countries near South Korea so South Korea is pretty big country in the world.
>>78866643
I studied Korean a bit in university but I forgot so I can only understand pronunciation of 한글 now.

>>78866931
it must be hard to study Korean on your own isnt it?
Good luck to you buddy :)

>>78866931
>and in them only 5 guys
lol I get it.In my university class to learn Korean most of them were women and men are about 5 contains me.
But many Korean students in Japan are men and otaku

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>>78864572
>Spain
Hmm

>>78866948
Maybe I felt like Korea is a small country because Japan has like twice more than Korea and dont even need to mention about china lol

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>>78864572
Same reason Americans don't retain languages either, except sometimes Spanish. Japan is isolated and remote, far far away from any English speaking country. Their closest neighbor in that regard is Australia, and god save them for that.

While they use Western social media like Twitter and Facebook, which is something even more isolationist countries like Russia and China don't do, their entertainment sector is strong enough that they can just consume their own media in their own language. That being said, Russians and Chinese are also shit at English.

So anyway, Japs are usually shit at even writing English, but I'm certain at least half of you non-native speakers of English on /int/ aren't fluent at all either. Why? Because learning a language comes in 4 parts, reading, writing, listening, and speaking. The average /int/ poster is passable at the former 2 but I'd bet you a nickel quite a lot of you can't speak it or hear it, which are the last two hurdles to fluency.

That's fine if you spend your life on the internet but it's going to suck dick if you ever visit the UK/USA/etc.

Why are the people so obessed with English?

I non-ironically think that if English isn't your native language, and the most of your favorite music is in it - you are cucked.

>>78867082
oh boy... otakus...
I would say they are not bad people?
but they are cringy as fuck...

>>78865030
Spoken like a true Son of Tengri, conqueror of all humans, languages, and human languages.

>>78866398
English is only an one from the international languages, not the main.

Why don't you want to learn Russian?

>>78867101
ha-ha! i knew! norgs are not europeans, they mongols.

>>78867251
Man I tried
And it's nearly impossible as I felt

>>78867116
China is special country because countries where have more one billions populations are only China and India.
So we don't need to make comparison between my and your country populations and China populations

>>78866991
Yes it's not easy, there are good websites to learn korean but for me listening comprehension is really hard.

>>78867082
How come that Japanese girls want to learn Korean ? In France girls that learn korean are koreaboos that want a 오빠 but I don't see why japanese girls would want that.

>>78867162
fug I forgot about Hong Kong and Singapore

oh well, I'll eat my own ass if I ever hear of a Japanese person learning English from a Hong Konger/Singaporean.

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Can someone please help me figure out how to use my air conditioner? I can kinda figure it out but I really wonder what the buttons are meant to do

>>78867251
>>78867182
English allows you to speak with anybody. Not russian.

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>>78864572
how i see her secret gerden??

>>78865030
Fuck off, this is the reason why Rasmus did not realised a song in Finnish

>>78867391
Because the modern cultural code forces people to learn it.

Let's speak Spanish or French

>>78867292
it's easy man. Take couple russian phrases.
First. You can say "Poshel na huy, ruski pedor" if you see anybody from russians men.

>>78867325
yeah thats true lol

>>78866376
Who would have thought that.

>>78866580
>we have small population and small land
Denmark is 5 million.
Stop your inferiority complex, my cock is small too but I don't feel so bad about it.
No girl is going to use it anyway.

>>78867201
Yes.It's okay. don't worry about them.
>>78867251
this >>78867391

>>78867328
Because they are Koreaboos,too.
In Japan,some of young girls like south Korean pop cultures(for example Korean Romance drama on TV and korean idol and Korean clothes fashion and Korean cosmetics )

>>78864572
because we are stupid

>>78867523
is that how you say "Good day, my Russian friend"?

>>78864572
Because their grammar is different. Their language is SOV, for example.

>>78865779

some KTDS JAV

>>78866213
>>78867101

better YES, much better than them NO but you can't even understand some of the threads that some jap anons make in this board.

>>78867469
if there are no reasons to learn a language people won't learn it that's all. You shouldn't focus on "let's learn this or that" but more on creating content or things (buisnes etc...) that will make people want to learn the language.

>>78867609
I see

>>78864841
>most of us
t. English teacher

>>78867609
I'm more worried about Korean boys fly over to Japan and ask "itshoni osake nomuka?" to every Japanese girls in their sight
they're cringy as fuck too
i hope they burn in hell immediately

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>>78866580
>and there was always been help and deals from other countries
good luck with China pal, we can't do jack shit correctly in the 21st century

>>78867162
all entertainment's in english so hearing is well-covered

speaking is indeed the hardest but someone who has thousands of hours of hearing under his belt can develop super rapidly if given some training

>>78867642
yes, yes. That phrase show to russians how deep you love them.

>>78867599
yeah let's be positive my friend

>>78865346
Stop pretending to be japanese, davido-kun.

>>78867785
thank you kindly
now idi nahuy moi droog
I heard that's good meaning too

>>78867890
No-no, these phrases only for russians.

Do you love Japan

>>78868011
lol got it

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>>78867378
can someone please translate these buttons

>>78868088
I like Japan

>>78867875
Is that a compliment for my Engrish or you just don't want to believe me

>>78868088
Of course, Who dont love countru where live anime and Takesi Kitano.

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>>78868088
m-maybe

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>>78868389
The cinema here projects movies of Takeshi Kitano during the summer, I watched Kana-bi and kids return recently I loved them, I will watch Kikujiro's summer on saturday.

>>78867663
What do you expect? English and Japanese are widely different languages. You can't expect them to be proficient in english.
Go try and learn japanese and see how difficult it is.

>>78868515
See him Outrage. Good film.
France make good films too, old french comedys with Defunes, Belmondo and Rishar are very great things. But now french cinema not so good. But Taxi and 13 area are good films.

>>78865312
>The German talking about immigration
MY FUCKING SIDES

>>78865562
Why don't you go on 2ch?

>>78868770
Yes Belmondo was really cool. Now there are not many good things to see. I like Jean Dujardin, he usually appears in good movies.

in good comedies there is Kamelot but it s a tv show not a movie