any programmer here?

>>78822062
>>>/g/

You first learn Javascript for the basics. That lets you play around with the basics of languages without having to worry about stuff like compiling and that.

Then move on to C, to learn about data structures, libraries and pointers, as well as being introduced to compiling and makes.

Finally, you move on to Java, where you learn the complexities of OOP.

Once you get to that level, you can pretty much program in any language.

If you just started learning c++ you won't be eligible for a serious job for about 7 years.

>>78822367
>once you know Java you can pretty much program in any language
Guess how I know you're Pajeet

If you're a NEET who just wants to get any job he can get his hands on, learn the holy trinity of webdev; HTML, CSS, and JS (and later on, JS frameworks)
If you want to get a more serious programming job, learn Java, it's the most sought after language in the market today.
Also this >>78822092

>>78822367 is good advice if you want to learn programming for the love of it without regards to employment.

1) self learning

2) C# C++

3) Not without a university degree

4) C#

>>78822425

Java is the pinnacle of languages and everything else is simplified toy languages.

Not that it matters since Java is all you need. 99% of the industry agrees with me.

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>>78822454
>holy trinity of webdev

>>78822062
>Which is the best way for learning it?
I don't know
>Best language?
I don't know
>could i get a job if i learn a language (demanded)?
I don't know
>what is the best computer language for you?
I don't know
>learning c++ at the moment
start with python instead

>>78822477
>3) Not without a university degree
In Estonia they'd hire you regardless of formal education as long as you can demonstrate that you can get the job done.

>>78822534
over here they want a degree and years of experience even if you've created a program with a larger userbase then their whole companies portfolio

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>>78822573
its ok

>>78822389
>If you just started learning c++ you won't be eligible for a serious job for about 7 years.
why? explain it desu
>>78822367
thank u anon

>>78822534
Yeah but EE is poor as shit, its why you slavs move over here and lower the wages, cunts.

>>78822798
for example a starting salary in America is 100k and in England its 23k.

I blame the Polish etc

>>78822826
Blame your dumb countrymen who can't land the job themselves.

>>78822956
Nah, all the Russians live in small shitty houses and work for basically nothing.

I cant even imagine how bad your country is where thats the best alternative.

Unfortunately bringing tons of slavs over is ruining England because they live in poor shitholes and drive down the value of everything, no one wants to live near people that wear tracksuits and drink all day.

I almost hate slavs as much as chavs and Muslims

>>78822503
java is pretty slow and doesnt let you do a lot of shit compared to c though.

>>78823056
Better to have uneducated islaimic pajeets by your side, right?
I don't give a fuck who you hate.
For me all brits are nothing but trash. I won't say that I consider my people to be better but your fucktard country is so full of itself it's amusing.

>>78822503
>t. Ranjeet

The best way to learn anything is to actually put in hours practicing it.

>>78822454
>learn holy trinity of webdev
>became (frontend) developer

Its like saying; if you learn photoshop then you became graphic designer.
No, learning tools itself not enough, its barely halfway becoming one.

>>78823146
how does it feel knowing I could be a toilet cleaner and you could graduate from Moscow university with a degree in mechanical engineering and slavic women would prefer me over you purely because Im British?

If you need money
>html
>css
>php
>java
Its easy to sell websites
If you want to work in a company full time
>c++
>did forgot the program name to make apps for phones
>some editing skills( not programming so its easier)

>>78824050
>if you need money
>web dev

Ahahahahahahaha good luck competing with poojeet

>>78823954
quite delusional

>>78824080
Tbh but its one of the easiest ways to sell to people, there are some that want to buy

Learn Java c sharp or vs first b4 c plus plus

>>78822367

This is good advice

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>any programmer here?
Yes, 1/4 of /int/ works with IT.
>Which is the best way for learning it?
Programing is the best way to learn how to program.
>Best language?
To learn? Any hight level language will do.
The question is, what you want to do?
>could i get a job if i learn a language (demanded)?
Yes. Pretty easy to get into IT business, even without a decent education.
>Best language?
I am a sys admin, I work with script languages such as Bash, Python and PHP (you need to understand what you are hosting)
>learning c++ at the moment
It's good for gaymens.

>>78824643
How the fuck do you get into IT without an education? Just apply a lot?

>>78824881
you just get some shitty certificate for first job then when you ahve experience nobody cares if you are literal retard or come out of oxford

>>78824881
>learn
>get a shitty job (trainee is the best to start)
>when you have 25, you have way more knowledge than anyone with a degree that never worked.
If i would not have done my uni (which i got stuck in some low tier jobs) i would have a much more decent job. Ask anyone with more than 10 years on IT about the value of a degree. It's worthless comparing to real experience.

>>78825030
>>78824920
Feels like literally everything asks for education or experience though. Or should you just apply anyways?

>>78823146
Full of themselves. Come live with the Germans. You'll see what that means...

>>78822367
This, with this background you can tackle any other language and learn it ez

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>>78822367
>tfw started straight with java
I just saw it was demanded

>>78825267
Look for Trainee opportunities. And don't tell me that is hard. I have a couple of friends living in Canada, which they had pretty bad programming skills and now earn a good salary.

If you don't know shit, and want to start anyways. First get a technical education. It's pretty cheap and you must apply for a job in the first semester.

>>78825449
Okay ill look into it thank you anon.

Learn machine language for quantum cpu instead.

You will be mastered while everyone isnt prepared.

>>78825487
>Learn machine language
Literally Indian tier.

Look at hadoop on youtube. They all are Indians. Some of them record video while poo in streets.

I have a job opening at my job, if you are a qt p2t girl (male) who will let me fuck your boipussy you can have it.

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>>78822062
get 'let us c' by kantekar.
pretty gud 1/1

>>78825449
Can you be more specific?

>>78822062
>Which is the best way for learning it?
by doing it
just make a project, if you don't know something google it
>Best language?
depends on what you need
C and C++ are the best all purpose languages but for almost any task there are better specialized languages
>could i get a job if i learn a language (demanded)?
yeah but the more you learn the better
you also need lots of logical thinking/math skills and a wide knowledge on computer systems, EE, software design etc.
>what is the best computer language for you?
depends on what I want to do
I feel the most comfy with C and Lua
>learning c++ at the moment
wish you luck

>>78825932
Computer technical course
This will teach you about the basics of network, sql, programing and other shit.
It's pretty vague, but a good quick start.

Also, a IT job in military is a really good start too. If i could back in time, would have served and got a decent job inside the army.

>>78825932
Learn this.
https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/services/caf-jobs/career-options/fields-work/telecommunications/army-systems-specialist.html
Get a job in the army, and you don't need to worry about the rest of your life (unless the eternal Anglo starts another war)

>>78826336
I mean how to find job

>>78826424
Oh. What about non military jobs

Can you help search on indeed.ca

>>78826435
Best way (for my country) is simple mail your resume to companies in your city (most of the websites have a page for it).
Make it clean and point out that you want to learn.

>>78822062
>C++
Throw away it. Learn python instead.

Also, >>>/g/

>>78826982
>python
pig disgusting
learn ruby like all the cute girls do

>>78822062
Best way to learn it is to do some projects and learn it in the process. Everything else is not effective.

>>78827034
Beside webdevs nobody use it

learn smalltalk

>>78827354
>learn smalltalk
And travel back in time to a year where people believe that shit would be good. Then proceed to have your dreams crushed.

>>78827310
I used it as a sysadmin.

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>look up programming or it jobs
>3+ years experience and relevant degree required

Back to neeting

Is python a good language to start with?

>>78828542
It's pretty good to learn. Beautifully syntax and well documented.
But if you want to make gaymes or websites, is not for you.

>>78827863
>not starting freelance for free/low paid for sake of portfolio and exposure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5d42w4ZcY4&ab_channel=LJP

>>78830614
How tho

Not strictly programming, but is the database shit (SQL, Oracle) worth learning? I see a lot of job listings with those too.

>>78831419
Its not the cool new technology, but there's a lot of money in maintaining old technology like relational SQL databases.

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>>78822826

>>78822062
Really doesn't matter what language you start with. They're all pretty much the same.

>>78832050
yeah right, start with java and you will never be able to grasp the concept of a pointer. of course you can argue that these days code monkeys don't need to know much...

Just learn java or c# off the bat.
You can first learn basic stuff that are in almost all programming languages and then focus on OOP.
If you choose C or something and wanna learn oop youd have to switch and learn new syntax which can always be a bit annoying.

>>78823353
>range.it()

>>78832179
I did, and I can.

>>78832179
Pointers are the easiest concept ever. It literally just points at a memory address.

>>78822062
1/ Bash
2/ Of course
3/ C / Python
4/ If you begin with C++ you're screwed. Begin with Python or Java.

>>78836088
kek, so you think if you learn that simple definition you will automatically get comfortable with pointer arithmetic, dereferencing, double/triple pointers, arrays of pointers, pointers to an array, function pointers, parameter passing with proper memory allocation, casts etc. there is a lot more to that than "just a memory address".

>>78836829
Yes.

I haven't used C in years and I remember almost all of it. It's easy as fuck and im always surprised normies struggle on it.

>>78825903
kys subhuman it is literally the worst book on c

t. knower

>>78822062
if you want a job:
learn a webstack and a bunch of tools (apache, aws, sql, mongodb, perl, angular, node, .net, etc.) Maybe after that you pick up a popular topic like R and machine learnin

if you want to be a computer scientist:
gets some books on algorithms and data-structures, learn C/C++, read some books on compilers, opengl, parallelism. And then cry because no one wants to hire you

>>78837184
>if you want to be a computer scientist:
>gets some books on algorithms and data-structures, learn C/C++, read some books on compilers, opengl, parallelism. And then cry because no one wants to hire you

this so much, I wish I became a javascript hipster.

>>78837262
what prevents if you from picking up easy stuff if you've learned hard stuff?

>>78837184
Lel you wont find shit for a job

>>78837322
I am picking it up t b h. Just wish I had done it earlier.

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>Web developers

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>>78838465
>enterprise developers

>>78830782
just search for freelance sites
and proceed to get all your jobs be taken by pajeets