>tfw most states in the US are larger than your country >tfw

>>78782876
It gets dull when these massively open plains of desert or grassfields are all you ever see. I'd much rather live in Europe. Despite the bullshit anyone may think, it's flat out boring in large states

>>78783068
But here we are packed. My country is like one huge city.

>>78783068
Please, your country has nearly all climates in the world. people there can live in any ecoregion they want.

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>>78782876
Sucks living in the Netherlands then
t. lives 20km from the mountains where I can easily get off tracks and live in perfect isolation for days

>>78783161
the netherlands is an extreme example

Places like Spain or Shitaly are much better

>>78782876
If only you knew the entire truth, Kanker.
About 60% of the forests of Europe are replanted by people the past 1000 years.
The only woods left untouched are maybe only Northern Sweden, Finland, and parts of Poland.

>>78782876
You don't know man. Whenever I drive from Phoenix to LA and I see is fucking desert and sand for about 5 hours.

>>78783467
yeah but isnt it kinda relaxing?

>>78783518
Kind of. I like to stop by little towns on the way and check shit out so I don't die of boredom on the highway. I can definitely see the appeal for trucking.

>>78783467
>Whenever I drive from Phoenix to LA and I see is fucking desert and sand for about 5 hours.
Sounds very nice actually.

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>>78783686
I just pray my car doesn't break down and I lose my ac. also getting close to mexico and checking out the border fence is pretty funny, the border patrol checks you at a stop to see if your brown or not

>>78783713
why dont you fly?

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On the other hand Americans are incredibly wasteful and ignorant about their nature because they think they can't run out of it. The US are seven times less densely populated than Germany and their rivers are already more polluted than ours. They're absolutely horrid at dealing with the environment.

>>78783735
I do sometimes. It's about an hour flight. But yeah sometimes driving just "feels" better. I have a love-hate relationship with it.

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>>78783448
>and parts of Poland.
they're already taking care of that

>>78783811
So are those roads you can really haul some ass on? Or too much traffic?

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>live in Flemish Diamond, pic related
>800+ inhabitants per square kilometer
Roughly half of the country's population lives here.
Even outside of it, Belgium is still quite densely populated. Only the Ardennes are quite nice, but even there you'd be hard pressed to find a stretch of more than 5-10km without encountering houses, roads etc.
To experience wilderness I have to go abroad, but even then the Netherlands, Northern France and Western Germany are still highly urbanized. I just wanna live somewhere pretty and quiet even for just a little while. A ranch in Montana or sth.

>>78783953
You can haul ass on those roads. Not a lot of people. Most of the time you're out in the middle of the desert so who cares if you're going 130mph/210km/h

>>78782876
>Europe

Maybe in your tiny little shithole. I have endless amount of space.

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>>78784099

>>78782876
Yeah, that's the tragedy. As the saying goes: to an American 100 years is a long time, to a European 100km is a long distance. Americans have really hit the geographic jackpot.

>>78784099
"You" have nothing. "You" have a total inhabitable area the size of Belgium and endless frozen wastes with next to zero worth.
>B-But muh arctic fishing village tho
You're a more pathetic version of Canada. And given how pathetic Canada is, that's quite an achievement.

>>78784006
I know this feel, fellow flemish diamond friend

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>>78784006
I feel the same

>tfw live in the Randstad

>>78784051
Fuck that must be good.

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>>78784146
>and endless frozen wastes with next to zero worth.

What the fuck. Are you aware of the gulf stream? Sweden doesn't have tundra or permafrost. This is the majority of Sweden.

>>78782876
Go hike on Norway or something.
What about the Alps or the Pyrenees?

>>78784146
>he fell for the "Scandinavia is cold" meme

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No escape. My oblast is 300 inhabitants per sq. km and it's crowdes af.

>>78784302
the alps are based, the richest regions are clustered around the alps

>>78784386
>20 most densely populated cities in the world
>Only one of them is white

>>78782876
>drive from cali to chicago and back 8+ times a year to visit friends and family
>+2,000 miles including stops and detours each way
>have car with comfy seats, amazing speakers, great climate control
>just me and pupper
>>78783068
>>78783467
these anons dont know how to enjoy the little things

>>78784504
Whites mostly live in the north Hemisphere in areas which historically couldn't provide extremely high density.

>>78782876
>be american
>get shot

>>78784099
>I have endless amount of space.
Same

>>78782876
You should try the National Route 40 here.
Beautiful landscapes guaranteed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Route_40_(Argentina)

>>78782876
Why not just move to a different euro country?

>>78785099
what's the crime like? my idea of argentina is that motorcycle gun robber video with the cyclists

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>>78782876
You could just use your whole month of mandatory vacation to travel the US... Most Americans don't have that opportunity, because they don't get that much time off from their job.

>>78785196
Language barriers make it a lot harder than in the US. And depending on your job, you may not be qualified to work in a different European country without going through an arduous process to get the local certifications.
Despite the single market, it's harder for most people than just packing your shit and moving.

>>78785196
For me it's mostly language barrier. Both in a social and economic context. Also even if I spoke the language, employment would be difficult since I'm a history teacher here but I doubt my post-masters teaching degree would count for anything in another country.
If I knew I wasn't gonna be homeless and starving (without relying on government handout), I would like to migrate.

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>>78782876
Your country is not only crowded like an ant nest, you don't even have any big cities as well. It just consists of boring small and mid-sized towns that are like 5 minutes away from each other
Your roads are so small and infestet with faggot bicyclists that they're impossible to drive on
You don't even have nature left, every single part of your country is somehow used for agricultural purposes
The climate is shitty and humid, it barely even snows in the winters
The Netherlands is such a dull and boring country holy shit

>>78785780
All of your points apply to Germany as well... except the one about small roads.

>>78785834
It's not as extreme as in the Netherlands though
But yeah I hate this country too

I think the Netherlands is comfy as fuck.

A lot of people, including Americans, don't realise that they own 259 million hectares of land. Basically every US citizen owns an amount of public land spread throughout 50 states that is the size of Argentina. Every single American is the 16th largest landowner on earth.

>>78785908
The Netherlands is lovely but don't you ever miss the wild places? I could not live as you do

>>78785598
>but I doubt my post-masters teaching degree would count for anything in another country.
There's this EU case law where EU nations are obliged to acknowledge mutually equivalent degrees from eachothers countries. You may be asked to follow some side courses, but your degree would be acknowledged from Ireland to Bulgaria. Especially because Flanders has education standards in line with Western Europe rather than being, say, Poland tier.

>>78786141
So you don't have area specific teaching qualifications, they are ubiquitous? Then why don't all EU countries score the same on education metrics?

>>78786001
If every single American owned a piece of land the size of Argentina, the cumulative land would be 53 million times the size of Russia... or two million times larger than the entire earth's surface area.

>>78786262
>So you don't have area specific teaching qualifications, they are ubiquitous?
I don't have the case on hand, but I think countries are asked to examine these degrees and acknowledge equality where they find it. They can demand that for example a teaching assistant from Poland follows some extra courses/tests if he wants to teach in the Netherlands, but he cannot legally be straight up rejected for not having the right papers (unlike for example a teaching assistant from Russia).

>>78786347
They own that much together, not each one individually

>go to a city park
>bears, mountain lions and so big you could get lost and never found

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>>78783448
>tfw to smart too have natural forests

>>78785780
hey we have the Veluwe and de Bieschbos

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veluwe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Biesbosch

You can walk there for several seconds without meeting people

>>78782876
I think Klamykia is four days driving from your country
Just as empty, but worse roads

>>78783415
I want it compared to Tokyo

>>78786069
No, I don't. I live in the green heart, which is basically filled with grass fields, canals, cows and windmills anyway.

I also hate how packed the Netherlands is and how flat and boring. That's why I have moved to Northern Finland to enjoy the nature, drive hours on roads and not meet a single car, hike hours and not meet a single personen. And soon the Northern Lights will come and dance for me.

Comfy as fuck. Sometimes a trip to Norway or Sweden for a change of pace.

>>78782876

These things are the only good things left about the US...and our culture of it all is being destroyed by spics.

>>78786853
>netherlands is boring
>instead I drive for hours over boring roads and not meet a single car

>>78786888
Our culture has been constantly changing with each wave of immigrants.

>>78786899
In beautiful scenery that is! And hilly roads or even mountainous roads of you go a bit to Sweden of Norway.

It seems we have very different ideas on what's interesting.

>>78784006
>A ranch in Montana or sth.
Are you me

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Randstad is shit, rest of the cunt is very comfy.

>>78784146
Oh wow.
I love it when people pretend to know what they're talking about - like having an active life-outdoors, but then they're completely ignorant about a country that's less than what, five hours away by car?

>>78787106
>Grebbeberg
>Geen berg

>>78786888
>and our culture of it all is being destroyed by spics.
like with the Germans and the Dutch in colonial times. And the Germans and the Irish after that. And the Italians and the Greeks and the Poles and literally every other immigrant wave that's hit this country

Get over yourself you massive faggot

>>78787106
seems like a standard european place.

>>78787196
Yeah anyone who doesn't want their countries to turn into Mexico is in fact a huge faggot.

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>>78787243
We didn't want the irish and look where we are.

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>>78787243
Europe was a shithole back then also, we didn't exactly get the best of the best.

>>78786935
>>78787196

Each wave or European immigration that came in small doses.

Mexico already has a culture of their own outdoorsmanship, and because they have come in the 10's of millions, it is combating our own.

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>>78787243
>turn into Mexico
It's not going to happen. It didn't happen with any of those groups and it's not going to happen with this one. It's reactionary faggotry and wishful thinking from Yuros who don't know when to leave well enough alone

>>78787282

We still don't want the Irish.

>>78787318
What is the difference between Mexican and American outdoor culture and how are Mexicans influencing the American model?

>>78787282
>>78787308
>>78787323
> t. Another Proud "Mexican" Who Will Do Anything to Not Live in Mexico

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>>78787396
There aren't any Mexicans in Arkansas bud

>>78787323
t. Rome 1500 years ago

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>>78787318
>Each wave or European immigration that came in small doses.
They came in massive waves. The first one where the irish due to the industrial revolution and needing large amount of cheap labor (the first dey turk er jerb protests started due to them), the second was the german due to being a war ravage shithole and the massive expansion needed for the west, and so on and so on.

>empty wastelands: the country
nice "country" you got there amerilards

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>>78787446
>empty
>it's full of trees
Try again sweaty :)))))

>>78787417
7% Hispanic, mostly Mexican. That's a lot

>>78787362

American outdoorsmanship are traditions passed on father-to-son from pioneering and mountain-men days...also from fighting the natives.

Mexican tradition is just being shitty tourists of national parks and wooded areas.


It's why /out/ constantly complains about seeing spics fishing from rivers and streams in city parks, and blaring their shitty Mexican music at campsites.

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>>78787559
>American outdoorsmanship are traditions passed on father-to-son from pioneering and mountain-men
The fuck are you on? As much as I dislike spics and you are right on the second part, you are a fucking retard on that front.

>>78787559
I live in an all white place, we still have shitty people fishing our waters and blaring country music at their camps. Threats to American /out/ culture are things like the sale of federal lands to the state, anti-hunting legislation, and increased urbanisation leading to an apathetic conservation stance. It isn't Mexicans listening to music while fishing. You're an idiot.

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>>78782876
>Open Google Earth, move over to the Nebraska/Iowa area
>See this
>It is a human made grid paper of roads and fields the size of fucking Europe
>Literary only roads, fields and small towns
>Like fucking literary, no wild nature left anywhere

I found hell, it exists right here on Earth.

>>78789590
why do you want dangerous wildlife around your house? And thats just the boring ass midwest. Tidewater Virginia is COMFY as fuck.

>>78789590
Holy shit. You are not even kidding,
It also extends to quite a lot of different states.
Unholy abomination of uncreativity.

>>78787308
America was always a scam. The "Dream" was literally a marketing ploy to get dumb European peasants to work like slaves in factories during the Industrial Revolution.

Then again, the average middle class American lives like petty nobility does in Europe:

>massive houses
>outdoorsy hobbies like hunting
>multiple cars
>american colleges and schools are like the private schools or upper tier universities of the UK (this is a weird one)

It’s all like a weird Disney Land where you get a really inauthentic experience of being petty bourgeois by European standards.

>>78789590
There are not a lot of trees in the plains, so unless they made a huge space for buffalo herds there is not much sense in putting in extras. This effective design is why these areas have such high standards of living compared to similar areas around the world.

>>78790200
>Europoors this salty about their low standard of living compared to the American low standard of living
must suck that your rich is our average

>>78790281
higher average, lower median per capita

>>78790334
But we have higher purchasing power. Get paid less than you, but our products are also cheaper.

Anon#2 was also right. Midwest has almost no nature at all. Picture above is actually the best thing you can do with the land. Europeans dont understand biodiversity.

>>78790379
And when you need medical help or develop a chronic illness you are insta-poor

Stop pretending it's heaven over there and everything is great.

>>78790379
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_income

the number i was citing is PPP'd

>>78790485
Its called insurance. Poor people need not apply. Everything is great if you put effort into life, Anon. We dont believe in handouts.
>>78790494
Whats the average grocery bill in Finlan?

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>>78782876
this.
when last year i watched Breaking Bad i surprised usa has rich and awesome natural environments.
i want to live new mexico or texas.

>>78790617
I'm glad I wasn't born in the US. Because everyone that experiences hardship and has a bad run on life is a lazy scumbag right? You are everything that is wrong with your country.

>>78790379
I understand the plains are just that, essentially grassfields that goes on forever. What I don't understand is how you can anyone live in an environment that resembles a chessboard and not loose your fucking mind. Every turn is 90 degrees. Every stretch of road is identical to the next. Everything is flat. You are a game piece in a board game for the severely autistic.

>>78790764
From ground level you don't notice. Keep in mind, that area is probably 100% farmland with giant ass farm vehicles and pickup trucks moving to and fro. You get used to it, and its also really use to protect your property and interests. MOST people in the Midwest do not live in these areas. I agree its dreary as fuck, but if we're talking agricultural productivity in a landscape that is already fuck-all ugly, its reasonable.
>>78790743
Whats wrong with my country is corporations messing with the Government and exacerbating the problem.

>>78790617
i couldn't find an average grocery bill, but this said our grocery prices are the 7th highest in the EU, cheapest in the Nordics.

https://www.mtv.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/artikkeli/vertailussa-euroopan-maiden-hinnat-ruoassa-viinassa-ja-tupakassa-nain-kallista-suomessa-on-taalla-hinnat-alhaisimmat/5950012#gs.1BZTerA

of course, that's written in our moon language

>>78790992
>>78790617

but White Americans surely have higher standards of living. My intentions are mainly to put things in perspective

>>78790992
Well, how much do you personally spend? In the US, average 4 person family may spend around 2-$300 bucks (251Euro) on 2 weeks of food, as thats the normal paycheck-to-paycheck life. How often do you go shopping? Some Euros I've noticed do it whenever, because they can just walk there

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>>78782876
>I just want to have some fun
get over here and settle in the middle of taiga

>America
>not domesticated
t. babby

Go to Brazil, it's wild west tier here.

>>78790200
>European peasants to work like slaves in factories during the Industrial Revolution.

those who dindn't flew Europe do the same in their home countries goddamn Pekka

>>78791079
parents came home, told me it's €600 what they spend in a month. (a four-person family, pretty average income-wise). And no, it's not quite the same in Finland as in most of Europe: my parents do the groceries at a supermarket

>>78791278
just copypasted it from /brit/ to get some (you)s desu

>>78782876
Tbh moving from Europe to North America, it unironically felt third world in most parts because there's so much unmanaged shit, but I appreciate having lots of untouched nature around too now, though a lot of times it feels like a huge place of nothingness

>>78791497
Where did you move from? I'm not sure yet if Canada is a place I want to go on holiday often or If I should migrate there eventually.

>>78791344
probably every three days, i might add

>>78790743
>I'm glad I wasn't born in the US.
Unless you are part of the bottom-rung of society, i.e. the dumbest 25%, you have no reason to dislike the American economic system. Every middle-class American lives a richer life than our middle-class could ever dream of living. Adding further fuel to the fire is American political freedom, of which we have minimal amounts, largely thanks to a long history of feudalist politics and disastrous 20th century communist idealism.

>>78785508
>Most Americans don't have that opportunity, because they don't get that much time off from their job.
Americans not employed at Mickey D´s or similar places, i.e. the vast majority of them (also known as "the middle class"), have a choice of taking out several weeks of vacation each year.

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>>78782876
>Look at all this unpopulated space! Lets accomodate some refugees!
It really is suffocating if you doesnt have a summer house in the north..

>>78782876
Looks similar to here

>>78793684
>American middle class

You mean that thing that shrinks and shrinks every year?

>>78794002
It shrinks from a greater size and at a slower pace than our pathetic middle-class. Everything is relative, my butmad socialist friend.

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>>78784386
Even though our population density is ridiculous and our countryside is just fields it doesn't feel that small.

>>78794083
American dream is dead, libertard.

>>78794298
It´s dying, not dead, as opposed to the Finnish dream, which died a miscarriage.

>libertard
Nothing wrong with the Constitution of the United States of America. God bless the Bill of Rights, and may God continue pissing on the Finnish legal code.

>>78785780
To be honest, I completely agree with you.

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>>78782876
Try Kungsleden. Sarek national park is pretty much the only untouched place in Europe (Russia excluded)

>>78782876
European cities are comfy and they way they're designed makes them all unique. American cities are boring and all look the same and the "culture" is trash. Also pickups are fucking ugly. Most Americans probably only use the back to put their groceries. Yea and driving in the desert is boring.

Don't get brainwashed by Am*rican propaganda.

>>78786853
>That's why I have moved to Northern Finland to enjoy the nature, drive hours on roads and not meet a single car, hike hours and not meet a single personen. And soon the Northern Lights will come and dance for me.
Sounds great, but isn't the Finnish language strange and difficult to learn?

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>>78784227
What the hell
is that my pic?

>>78786853
>That's why I have moved to Northern Finland
no, you didn't

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Iceland is the only country in europe where you can get a brand new F-350 straight from the dealer

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>>78782876
I'm glad I live in Norway when I see this post.

>>78786853
>autstic dutchie moves to empty forest to avoid contact with people

>>78797518
We can here too.

>>78783768
America is not polluted to any significant extent and we have sustainable and massive natural reserves

>>78785508
>euros have an entire month of mandatory vacation
WTF?

>>78797410
Do you imply I came for other reasons? Or imply that I didn't?

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>>78795058
Lots of untouched places in Norway too. Lots. It's nice to live in a country that isn't packed with a trillion people.

3/km^2
16/km^2
16/km^2
22/km^2
Why are Iceland, Norway, Finland, and Sweden such nice places with low population density?

>>78797891
Yes, you need to take vacation lest employer is deemed tyrant.

>>78795094
Yeah Finnish is difficult but most of the Finns I meet and that work at my workplace speak English quite well and I do my best to learn Finnish through apps etc and learn the jargon of my trade.

>>78797988
cause no one wants to live there

>>78797891
>euros have an entire month of mandatory vacation
IIRC that's only some European countries. Germany hasn't forced the same laws on all of them yet.

>>78798063
Now they do tho, unfortunately.

Problem with the United States is that it has a lot of nature but a lot of land, and many of the famous natural sites are hundreds or thousands of miles apart

My area is at euro-tier density anyway do not much nature. I suggest the Smoky Mountains/Appalachians and the West(Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, etc.)
>>78798010
Be glad your government looks out for workers even if it seems ridiculous. Americans get screwed over by employers/underregulated capitalism all the time especially after 2008. Not a commie but we need to go to the left fiscally.

>>78797975
I'm implying you're a Finn posting from his studio apartment in Helsinki who romanticizes the northern wilderness

>>78798478
I am glad. I love my vacations. I would take a few more weeks if I could.

>>78784504
>NYC
>white

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>>78798549
I'm Dutch and I live in Rovaniemi now.

Pic related

>>78798625
I got from your post that you thought Norway gave too much vacation time.

Our right-wing fiscal policies have some benefits(relatively low taxes) but many drawbacks, like going bankrupt from a chronic illness like cancer. I know the taxes suck in the Nordics but the benefits are just tremendous. I don't think we have the capability to completely emulate a European-style system but we need to start going in that direction through universal healthcare, maternity leave, etc. instead of continuing to fall for the anti-communist psyop shit from the Cold War.

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>grow up in Tennessee
>get to visit this once a year

How can Europoors handle not having real wilderness?

>>78799152
>How can Europoors handle not having real wilderness?
We can't. That's why I'm here whining making this thread.

>>78799045
ZOEK YANYA OP

>>78799686
Wie de neuk is Yanya?

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>be jan van bort
>pollute the planet
>sink

>>78799759
Een koele fin in roviani

>>78799045
Why? And what do you think of Finland?

pls respond

>>78799773
Switzerland wins again

>>78786888
You're right.
I was just forced to dance around a Sombrero while wearing Calavera makeup and pointy curly boots.
Mexi cuns is destroyin our culture!

>>78800016
I'm not sure yet If I'm talking to the same Finn still so I'll quote myself.

I also hate how packed the Netherlands is and how flat and boring. That's why I have moved to Northern Finland to enjoy the nature, drive hours on roads and not meet a single car, hike hours and not meet a single personen. And soon the Northern Lights will come and dance for me.

Comfy as fuck. Sometimes a trip to Norway or Sweden for a change of pace.

I like Finland ofcourse. I have been here last year on a Scouting camp and been here in the spring twice and ever since I was a child and learned about the North I wanted to go and live there. So I did it. Tired of the crowded hasty life of the Netherlands.

>>78785780
Sounds like the future of this planet, desu

Muggy, micromanaged, urban, but at least there's bicycles and trains

desu I would love to have a farm on reclaimed shoreline

>>78799045
Nice

>>78782876
>>78783068
Try the prairie provinces. Saskatchewan only has a million people in a place the size of Texas.

>>78799152
>tfw east Tennessee right next to them
Makes driving more entertaining.

Do Dutch children go camping ever without forests?

>>78804471
Their parents clog up Swedish roads with their caravans, that's for sure.

>>78804471
We have forest
Why would you think we dont?

>>78806350
But can you get lost in them?

>wander out in California
>unknowingly stumble upon rogue pot farm
>man with shotgun tells you to gtfo
>tfw scared of wandering the wilderness now

>>78806419
forests make up merely 9% of the total area so no

>>78782876
>Mfw small af country but still live in bumfuck nowhere, drive a Ford f350, and can probably hike two days in off season in certain places without seeing anyone

But then I go into city for work and I feel like killing myself

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>>78799773
>stockholm sinks

>>78806419
Yes, then yuu keep walking one side, and depends on what forest, you may get hungry before you are out of it, then walk the same distance to a vilage

>tfw an ameriboo with a huge truck got stuck in the yuro-sized mcd drive through

>>78800222
What do you do for a living?

>>78797693
mhm didn't know
link?

>>78813456
I work in computer aided manufacturing. Funny, because when I was driving through Sweden I heard advertisements on the radio calling for people that do my work. They also have a shortage in Sweden. In fact they have a lack of people that do what I do everywhere.

>>78813589
Cool.

You should watch Reindeerspotting if you already haven't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8O_Ot-wCIg

>>78795059
uhm i fill my ford f350 up with fucking Boulders, big guy.

>>78794178
Top comfy

The English countryside is truly GOAT

>>78784099
Northern part of Sweden is absolutely gorgeous. 10/10 would get lost and mauled by angry moose

>>78791206
>Willingly moving to Russia
KEK

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>>78782876
>Holland's population is 17 million
I could've sworn you had 5 million like the Nordics

>>78817746
Half of those 17 million are concentrated in the Randstad, very densely populated part of the Netherlands.

>>78797315
woah