I wish we could like them as much as they like us. It's so unfair

>>78782794
What's the problem?

>>78782818
I always hear that Americans like us but then I know that most of us don't like them back.
It's quite depressing

>>78782849

I certainly often find many positive qualities in your country, though light curiosity in your affairs is as far as any palpable sentiment extends.

>>78783021
O-okay

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>>78782794
I'm part german

>>78782849
>I always hear that Americans like us
Here is what Americunts really think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCdyGLCXz_4

Jetzt machn Abgang, Malte

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>>78783234

>>78783234
Isn't that from the 1940s or something?

>>78782794
It's like that for any country (minus mexico). Usually a lot of americans simply don't give enough shits to know about another country and just say they like it to sound nice.

>>78783488
Yes, but it's still very relevant.

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>>78783512
lmfao it says white on his collar

>>78782849
Who told you we like you lmao

>>78783553
Americans

>>78782794
Why do you care what a bunch of fat muh heritage LARPers think about you?

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>>78783607
I'm like 40% italian 30% german 20% polish 45.15702% dutch and 69% prussian

>>78783569
It's (usually) just edgy teens and neo-nazis that worship Germany, I didn't know Germany was relevant until I was like 15 or something

Also this >>78783607
From time to time you'll hear people go on about MUH GREAT GRANDPAPPY WAS A JEW KILLER NATSEE HE FULL BLOODED GERMAN

>these guys were actually Irish

>>78782794
>As much as they like us
wut

>>78783679

that's a grand sweeping statement that makes you look like an idiot, it certainly isn't at all as you say

there wouldn't be anything edgy at all about liking Germany for one, they are fine example of democracy and social responsibility for their continent, and the world really.

It's a pity 4chan usually attracts your ilk.

>>78783745
t. Missed the point
I said USUALLY

>>78783693
So they hate us?
Never heard of hateful feelings towards us in the US. But then again, I don't live there

>>78783806
I don't think people care, and if they do think of Germany they think of Nazis.

>>78783806
>So they hate us?
Don't think we think about germany ever. And when we do, we say "yes". A lot of americans are german desent anyways soo

>>78783767

usually is still far too inclusive

perhaps you missed the point

>>78783888

you strike me as a juvenile

>>78783940
Holy shit you're stubborn lmao

>>78783888
So the mass opinion is rather negative when the topic is brought up?
That's sad. I always liked americans.

>>78783975

not at all, merely right

>>78783993
Usually no, a majority of Americans still praise Germans, just as you said in the OP

>>78784008
t. Too stubborn to admit I am stubborn

>>78783993

you can disregard him, only the ignorant would still associate Germany with something that took place 70 odd years ago

certainly he's right that many people don't think about the country, can you fault them for that? there is a massive gulf between our continents

>>78784042

I see no reason to cow to a fool

>>78784065
Yeah I mean, the word "like" in the OP is a pretty strong word. What I wanted to say with it was "when talking about each other, the reactions and opinions are positive" which is fair to say that I believe that we have a negative view and you have a more positive one.

>>78784158

In that respect I can agree, Germany is seen positively in most things, although people think that maybe you're going a bit far with foreign migrants. At least a goodly amount do so, there is of course as a rule never complete consensus on any one issue.

>>78784158
If someone asks a random American if they like Germany they're more likely to say yes

Other than that Americans don't think about Germany other than MUH HERITAGE because most of us have German ancestors

>>78782794
Life isn't fair, unfortunately.

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>>78783234
>The Nazis, the Huns, the Prussians; three different names for three generations trying to inflict their will upon others by force.
>Three generations following a tradition so different from ours
This is gold

>>78784284
Pax Americana mutha fucka

>>78784284

that's a crock

>>78783968
Truth hurts bud

>>78784244
>>78784247
That's very good to know. I maybe go to the USA one day (not permanently don't worry) and it's good to know that the opinions are more mixed than one sided.
Hope that I make some good friends there.

>>78783569
United Statesians are the Swedes of Latin America. Only a fool would trust a word the say.

>>78784358
>united statesians

faggot south american

>>78784371

that's undignified, the appropriate term is faggot south American American

>>78784358
I don't think they are lying but that their opinions are rather mixed, hence why it looks like some them are lying.

I like Germany just as much as I like any other "democratic" country.

While the culture/history isn't as fascinating as some other countries (in my opinion), it makes up for it with a mindset that seems to force it to be relevant in terms of a European sphere of influence.

That being said, I intrinsically dislike the idea of the EU. I can't help but view the EU as a German maintained thing. I also think it's laughable that the CDU is the "right wing" of the two major parties.

>>78785447
EU wasn't planned to be this way, but I can't deny that our government is taking advantage of it.

>>78782794
Because servants always hate master
Thats why we hate America and rest of EU hates us

>>78785518
In a sense it's very pragmatic, and is what any government would (and should) do out of self interest.

>>78785658
Just the fact that you admit that you are a slave is pretty pathetic. With an attitude like that it's no wonder that you are miserable

>>78785805
And you think it is better to deny it?
Germany has no military power on its own, it is completely reliant on Americas goodwill for protection. I am just beeing realistic

>>78785837
Seeing America as an oppressor just because they don't allow you to build more killingmachines for your own army is pretty much pessimistic not realistic

>>78782794
but germany nobody likes you

>>78785976
I dont see Americans as opressors, just as our masters. We serve them because our military is weak yet we hate serving them

>>78786020
>Flag
Ah yes

Remind me again how paying to protect you so you make us anyone's master. The fact of the matter is that we act like retards and spend so much on military ventures around the world that our budget is appalling. Meanwhile you've managed to gain a very desirable fiscal position.

>>78786184
It's because butthurt tards here don't like it when they can't play dicksize comparison with the other countries.

>>78786020
>because I said so

Every time

>>78786184
providing security is literally the most important task of a state.
Germany can't provide security and has to rely on USA, so Germany is not fully independant

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>>78786345
>providing security is literally the most important task of a state.

That's probably one of the most disgusting things I've ever read.

The most important task of a state is to protect the individual's freedoms/rights from infringement by other individuals and the other branches of said state. Which is a task that every world government has failed at horribly.

Even if we pretend you're right, how is it not brilliant to outsource the supposedly most important task by getting someone else to do it for you almost entirely without recompense?

>>78786515
The most important stask of a state is protect you from bunch of other people coming, taking your stuff, raping your wife and killing you. That's why states were created in the first place.

>without recompense
by outsourcing the most important task to America, we became Americas bitch. For example, we can't do shit if Americans spy on us. So no, it is definitly not "free"

>>78782849
It's the RT watching putinbots hating on americans for no reason whatsoever. I'm from East-Germany and weirdly I have seen West-Germans arguing how "good" Putin and Russia is, much more than in the east. They have no idea what actually happened in the past.

>>78786837
>Muhhh putinbots
>>>/r/europe

>>78786184
You should be proud of our military dominance, it might seem retarded how much we spend on it but it feels good knowing we can't lose to anyone.

>>78786655
>That's why states were created in the first place.

LOL

States were created to centralize power and further the interests of the elites, not to serve the people by providing them with protection.

I won't argue that you aren't free, but you couldn't stop any country from spying on you regardless of your military situation. Every country spies on every other country. A state even violates the rights of their own citizen's privacy constantly. You aren't free, but neither is anyone else. If you think you'd somehow be free because of a military buildup, that's just weird.

>>78786515

Collective defense is indeed among the primary intensions of government, what third rate education produced you?

>>78786345
It's bullshit. What do you understand by providing security? Hating on others because of their skin color? The country is doing more than France or Italy in this regard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PkiKSOi04A

>>78786914
Yes, be content with the circus they provide to make you docile. Take pride in something irrelevant so you don't rage against the tragedy that is the wasted potential of this great nation.

Wake up. Remember your rights, remember your principles!

>>78786995
By collective defense you mean the common man dying to protect the interests of the wealthy/powerful, right?

Tell me how the soldiers of monarchs, oligarchs, and our crony capitalist overlords serve to do anything other than serve the interests of the upper class.

>>78786908
t. Patrick "Also Putin ist garnicht so schlecht" Ivanovic

>>78787053

you're a nutjob

>>78786934
>States were created to centralize power and further the interests of the elites
Nobody would support elites if they provide no benefits. Elites were accepted because they were neccesary to protect them from foreign invaders. Thats why the first rulers were always warriors.

>I won't argue that you aren't free, but you couldn't stop any country from spying on you regardless of your military situation.
We could kick out American intelligence service out of Germany. That would make it much harder for Americans to spy on us

>>78787053
Governments have a few key roles, one of them is national defence. Also, please don't compare Monarchs to oligarchs or crony capitalists. God appoints a Monarch

>>78787069
No, I'm just not an idiot who glorifies the death of normal people to accomplish things that have nothing to do with the average citizen.

A death protecting the homeland is just and necessary. A death on foreign shores to maintain some absurd "interest" of the united states is a tragic devaluation of human life. Those 'interests' are not the interests of the average American. They are the interests of a fringe sector of our society.

>>78786999
In it's most basic sense, providing security means preventing foreign invasion.
Today, it also includes lots of other things, like protecting trade routes, or preventing instability in the region

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>>78787133
Actually, the UK is in charge of spying on you

>>78787133
>Nobody would support elites if they provide no benefits. Elites were accepted because they were neccesary to protect them from foreign invaders. Thats why the first rulers were always warriors.

We don't live in the time of warrior kings. The current elites don't contribute to society in the same manner.

>We could kick out American intelligence service out of Germany. That would make it much harder for Americans to spy on us

I would applaud you if you did that, but just because it would make it harder doesn't mean my government wouldn't do it anyways. It would be a nice victory of principle for the German people.

>>78787152
>(You)

>>78787161

you're not really being consistent

you disagree with something that can be argued isn't national defense, while agreeing with national defense, to express your disbelief in national defense being a tenant of national governments

I don't understand you, you aren't rational

>>78787133
>>78787187
common, it's not like our intelligence service is not spying on them. The main internet hub is in Germany.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpyXRIhZHi8

>>78787274
Maybe your semantic parsing would be valid if the government didn't regularly portray its overseas ventures as "national defense"

I support the true definition of national defense of a country (Ie literally defense), but the common usage of the term is not limited to that. The common usage includes extensive non-domestic action that actually contributes nothing to our defense, and in fact just generates more enemies of the US. Our actions in the middle east are hailed as being actions taken for defensive reasons, when they really aren't being taken for that reason.

>>78787389

I'm not doing any of that, you just can't decide what you want to say, national defense is one thing the government was intended to provide for from our founding,

you are a stark raving mad lunatic, or a dunce

>>78787426
YOU aren't arguing for it, but the modern era of presidents have used and convinced people of a warped definition of this phrase.

Also the initial statement that started this was "providing security is literally the most important task of a state."

>Literally the most important

Do you think the founders thought security was the most important reason for the state? Because they regularly stated that people who value security over the preservation of freedoms were anathema to their ideals.

>>78787517
>Do you think the founders thought security was the most important reason for the state?

It was one of very very few jobs the founding fathers originally gave to the government. And what does national defence have to do with personal liberties?

>>78787676
I have to go, but the idea here is

>the most important reason

It isn't the most important. True DEFENSE was considered an intent of the state. Today's state engages in actions that aren't really defense, but it calls them defense or security interests.

The original phrase in this post >>78786345
is "security is literally the most important task of a state"

Security is not necessarily the same as "National defense". When the president decides that we need to bandy about Afghanistan for another 16 years he does so because he says it's in the interest of our "security".

The implication that this is more important than any other government function just isn't what was intended. We are seeing things defined as security, and then people are being made to fund these ventures. In the course of funding these ventures the personal liberties of Americans are constantly violated to ensure a system that can support these ventures continues to exist.