1. Your cunt 2. What do you think of NATO?

Waste of money

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meme organization for american vassal states

>>78754502
how much does USA pay for nato?

>>78754377
Agressors

>>78754708
Don't reply to my posts without my permission again you subhuman trash

>>78754821
s-sorry master

Stop protecting kosovo (albanians in serbia)

want to join

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>>78754377
The protection of Estonia is a must.

>>78754377
my country literally begged to join NATO and was denied
>>78754630
>>78754753
>>78754942
these

>>78754377
Fuck NATO

It's shit

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>>78754377

The most mighty alliance in history and a big reason why Westerners have superior living standards.

Someday, it will conquer the world.

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>>78755436
This.

I appreciate that they protect the cute Baltic countries from the eternal Russian but I wouldn't want them to turn my country into a military base.

>>78755436
NATO couldn't invade a third world shithole like Libya let alone the world. NATO sucks.

>>78754377
I support it with all of my heart

>>78755436
This

>>78755469
Why is Canada major nation but not France?

Needs to be entirely disbanded and the US go semi isolationist. A pan euro army should take its place in Europe.

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>>78754377

Based Bulwark of Freedom, keeping Europe from the corrupt, dictatorial, backwards influence of the East

>>78755580
>pan Euro army
Disgusting. I don't care about anything east of Czech Republic.

>>78755634
But anon, you ARE the East

>>78754377
It's a fascist organization and everyone who supports it is a useful idiot

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>>78755511

Because it was never meant to invade Libya.

Just save the people in Benghazi from being genocided like sheep by Gadaffi's nigger central-african mercenaries.

It's not our fault they can't build a country for themselves. When the police saves you from domestic violence, they won't gibs you jobs or credit rating to fix the source of the argument.

Justice = pic related

>>78755694

You are geopolitically irrelavant and not even in NATO. Also literally more east than us.

Well, you are in NATO in everything but name only, though that's another discussion.

And of course we are East as a culture/mentality, yet, but that's quickly changing.

>>78755755
>Just save the people in Benghazi from being genocided like sheep by Gadaffi's nigger central-african mercenaries.

Even that was so and so. NATO ran out of bombs like a week into campaign lmao. Fuck NATO.

>>78755295
Why would you wan to join? Colombia is already protected under the US umbrella.

>>78755755
>It's not our fault they can't build a country for themselves.
It might not be our fault but it is us who suffer from consequences. See refugee crisis

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>>78755511
At least we have eachother.

>>78754377
We should leave it, and then I don't care what happens to it afterwards.

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>>78755732

Spoken like a true western manlet, living in your comfortable basement and in your soulless, hedonistic lifestyle that you can ONLY AFFORD BECAUSE OF 50 YEARS OF NATO PROTECTING YOUR COUNTRY


...who never had to live through Russian influence or the soul crushing misery, destruction and death it brings.


Also when Germoney loses her soft power, let's see what you'll do with a Polish army that's already on par with Germany's.

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NATO?
more like Countries That Would Be Wiped By USA When Soviet Union Invades

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>>78755953

Luckily, Congressmen and Deepstate patriots would not just give up America's hegemonic place in the world and the pillar of American prosperity (free Europe/ free trade rutes)

...because they're not retards like populists, like you.

Not even Trump could do anything but BOLSTER NATO significantly.

If a straight up Russian puppet can't, what makes you think it's even possible in our lifetimes ?

>>78755983
I live in eastern Germany

Joining NATO was a mistake

>>78755469
>britain protects estonia39.jpg
>population 1.3m
>clountry

Fuck Estonia. They're not even a real country.

>>78756145

Still about two decades more of NATO/EU than us.

>>78756236
And?

>>78756231
they are your brothers

>>78756079
I'm not a populist or Trump supporter. I just don't like paying money to be world police. I don't care about the welfare of Europe. To be completely honest, I kinda hate most European countries, even the ones where my ancestors were from.

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Reminder that Saber Guardian was the largest NATO exercise in Eastern EU and it's shown :

1)interoperability. Every single general, enlisted man, politician, jouranlist or just randoms there have confirmed that it's been a great success, and al the training beforehand is fruitful. No operational issues from language and equipment barrier.

2)high morale from their ancestral mission of defending the cradle of humanity from Mongols and sandniggers

3)russians need to manufacture a shitty footnote story in Pravda about it because they can't stand that Eastern Europeans fight more or less as legit multinational divisions

>>78756322
you haven't been in europe before

>>78755923
I dont know man this government is dumb

>>78756079
this is the same romanian gypsy that baits people by saying he loves the EU

stop falling for it retards

>>78756423
You are correct, and that is irrelevant to anything I've said. You don't have to experience something firsthand to hate it.

>>78756322
Why do you hate European countries, anon?

>>78755295

Why? Feeling under threat perhaps?

I am against it. Relic of the Cold War.

>>78756571
no colombians just love being cucks to the US for some reason

>>78756549

I don't love it but it's been objectively good for us and Germoney.

And they don't shove refugees down our throats, and they help us with anticorruption. What's so bad about it ?

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>>78756659

Shoulda join our autism group down here :3

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How about this, RIDF ? What do you think of these ?

70 billion worth of Uncle Sam's toys in the Eastern Flank of NATO (that's without the new forward deployment multinational divisions)

https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/poland-to-allocate-additional-55-billion-on-defence-amid-russia-fears/

http://www.dw.com/en/romania-commits-to-nato-defense-spending-target-until-2026/a-39925058


PATRIOTS

HIMARS

PAC3

MIM

Finally my shithole of a country modernizes her big but outdated army.

They need 29 countries and an annual budget of 1 trillion $ in order to have a chance against Russia. Absolutely pathetic.

>>78756563
>social democracies
>consensus culture
>not having small talk culture
>not being jingoistic
>having a smug, insulting attitude towards Americans
>birthplace of Protestantism
>birthplace of communism
>birthplace of fascism
>creates wars that we get sucked into, but we're the warmongers because muh Vietnam and Iraq
>colonialists, but we're worse because muh blacks and Indians
>not simultaneously extremely individualist and nationalistic
>sticking their noses in our internal affairs
Because they're not American.

>>78756836

Then why hasn't Russia tried anything ?

Their whole foreign policy revolves around breaking NATO and the EU to invade Eastern Europe.

Why hasn't it happened yet ?

Because of NATO, you fucking retard. And it's getting harder and harder for it to happen.

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>>78756231
delet

>>78756815

Your special forces are a big fucking joke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OImvMQ9YegA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyFvyM2h5Bw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfNQ8lSyZf4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tPnfcNBn3U

I bet Putin is pissing his pants now

>>78756893
do you hate every country that is not America?

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>>78756406

>>78757079

Literally all police.

>>78756942
>Then why hasn't Russia tried anything ?
I could ask you the same. Why didn't you do anything when Putin annexed Crimea?

>Their whole foreign policy revolves around breaking NATO and the EU to invade Eastern Europe.
You're pretty paranoid, nobody in Russia gives a fuck about your gypsy infested shithole. On the other hand, Nato was literally created because the West is afraid of Russia

>>78757121
Doesn't make it less pathetic..

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>>78757227
>Why didn't you do anything when Putin annexed Crimea?

>>78757227

Because Crimea is Russian, and if they sent in the green men /after/ the referendum and not before, it would have been less of a shitstorm.

Come on, NATO to invade a, no matter how you cut it, Russian land ? It almost happened, but I think that would have been excessive.

>>78757308
>Crimea is Russian
lol ok thanks then

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>>78757227

Next year, my shithole will have a higher human development than Russia.

And the only reason Russia's is that high is because the oligarchs wealth is so concentrated in Moscow.

Inequality adjusted HDI, Romania is still higher...


...after starting from Africa tier in the 80s and most Romanian looking at Russia as a fucking utopia.

How times have changed, huh ?

>>78755538

Need to make sure Latvia doesn't end up the first to go when France surrenders. As a sub-leader in Estonia, their surrender will not entirely hand over a country.

>>78757390
what does military alliance have to do with human development index?

A joke since they took in Romania

>>78757439
that makes sense

>>78757390
>And the only reason Russia's is that high is because the oligarchs wealth is so concentrated in Moscow.
No it's not, don't you know how HDI works? The richest 1% cannot significantly change the HDI

I love NATO solely for the fact that it triggers and exposes Putin bots on /int/ so easily.

>>78757489

Then why did you bring up development, you fucking krautbrained mongrel ?

Why did NATO bomb Serbia in 1999 despite Serbia not attacking any NATO countries?

>>78757501

Romania actually meets the requirements, and fulfills the commitements.

Unlike when OECD took Russia in the 90s though you did not meet the requirements. As a sign of friendship.

Why the fuck did Westerners not heavily sabotage you when you were super weak ? I mean, your brainwashed populace would believe it happened no matter how many privileges you got and how much preferential treatment compared to other eastern europeans you got.

>>78757605
why do you single Serbia out
Afghanistan didn't either

>>78757554
I am a different German

>>78757605
to prevent genocide

>>78754377
>NATO
I'd sooner ally with Russia tbqh

>>78757667
> Romania actually meets the requirements
that's exactly what I meant by "joke"

>>78757605
Because the United Caliphate of Ameriqa and out ally and friend Saudi Arabia will not allow Christianity to survive in Europe.

>>78757605

Because they were genocidal maniacs funded by the Kremlin.

A better question would by, why did NATO not stop Rwanda ?

Because, just like now, ''pacifist'' NGOs (anti-Western intelligence hubs) convinced retarded Clinton that it's not a good idea.

>>78757727

You don't matter.

>>78757993
>the baltic is irrelevant
Not only are you stupid, you're a hypocrite as well. Romania is literally the definition of irrelevancy.

totally agree with this fag >>78758084

>>78758084

Uncle Sam thinks differently. And it's all I care about.

>>78754377
North American Terrorist Organization

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>>78758180

More and more American toys on our territory, better and better morale, bigger and bigger exercises.

How buttmad are you, Ivan ?

>>78758171
good dog

>>78758259
what for?

>>78758171
well that puts you on a level with what, montenegro? or is lichtenstein in NATO as well

come on

you must realize you're dead weight

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>>78758300

They treat us with respect and decency, unlike the Rusky-puppets people died to get rid of.

All they ask in return is for us to spend money on defense, and a few hundred acres of land for exercises and torture-prisons.

How is that not a good deal ?

What sane person in Eastern EU would reject NATO ?

>>78755755
But they had built a country already. It now doesn't exist. What could have caused that change?

>>78758259
I don't give a fuck 2bh

Pay up.

>>78758259
you are the definition a cuck

>>78758383
>They treat us with respect and decency
Aren't they against visa-free travel for Romanians?

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>>78758358

Montenegro is in NATO to cut off Kremlin-puppets like Serbia from the Adriatic sea.

It's not a big piece of the puzzle, but an important one geostrategically.

It also makes it harder for Russian oligarchs to slip their dirty paws in Montenegrin politics.

And yes, the Romanian army is a shame (still could kick the ass of every neighbour), but due to based Trump, that's quickly changing.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2017/07/11/romania-cleared-to-buy-patriot-missile-defense-system/

https://www.defensenews.com/land/2017/08/18/state-dept-clears-125-billion-himars-sale-to-romania/


and 30 jets.

>>78754377
We should never have joined.

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>>78758418

Don't lie.

Your whole national identity is distilled butthurt

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4739784/Russian-deputy-PMs-refused-entry-EU-airspace.html

Look at him. He's almost crying.

Feels so nice we can insult the Kremlin heavily, without repercussions, after being on the receiving end of it for 50 years.

It is hilarious how short sighted post-1992 NATO has been. Geopolitically speaking.

Those are my only thoughts.

>>78758384

It exists more as it should have existed. Along tribal lines.

>>78758531
> Montenegro is a place-holder
now we're getting somewhere
well I don't live in Eastern Europe and don't have to deal with the national dilemma of which outher country's ass to lick

but I feel your pain, I hope the though of pissing off our generals is really worth it

>>78754377

Great world police

>>78757084
Not as long as they mind their own business. I really hate Europeans, though. What I loathe above all else are when people are smug or snobbish.

>>78758737
>don't have to deal with the national dilemma of which outher country's ass to lick
>but I feel your pain, I hope the though of pissing off our generals is really worth it

Worth what ? It's just a bonus.

Literally no downsides of NATO. Even the Afghanistan adventure got some much needed experience for Romanian batallions.

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>>78758714
Gadaffi 2.0 in the east
Islamists in the West
ISIS in the middle
Tuaregs in the south
Al-Qaeda all over

Just as planned.

>>78758888

And still the level of violence today is next to 0 compared to the height of the Libyian revolution.


And the people in Benghazi weren't annhiliated like it was about to happen just before the UN resolution and air strikes an hour later.

>>78758622

What's happening in your pic related?

>>78759102
Ceausescu getting BTFO

>>78758884
experience of sitting on a base doing nothing is something I expect most Romanian soldiers had plenty of as they were
like your altitude though. guess it comes with being a placeholder. just don't get outshined by montenegro

>>78759102

Ceausescu, our brutal communist dictator, and his witch wife getting MOWED THE FUCK DOWN by AKMs after our glorious revolution.

>>78758998
you must know literally nothing of what you say is the case though, right?

>>78759203

Ahh excellent, nothing better than a dead pro-russian commie

>>78759226

There's a reason even Russia abstained, and in backrooms and media, was pro-intervention.

Do you remember those days, and how /pol/ and reddit were basically beginning the UN to vote on the resolution ?

The streams of hundreds of thousands gathered in the square in Benghazi with air strikes in the distance, sometimes on camera ?

>>78754377
NATO fuck off.

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>>78759268

He wasn't pro-Russian. He was quite nationalist and anti-Soviet.

We looked at Moscow first for friendship and cooperation, before Washington.

But they treated us like shit and started Transnistria, so fuck them for ever.

>>78759343
I remember, but not exactly like that, no. Russia abstained because the vote was a no-fly zone and not a bombing vote

The result is a devastated country instead of what, a second-best African economy, and terrorism finally reaching Europe in force.

And again, nothing of what you've said in (>>78758998) is the case, please realize that

Thank you to NATO states

>>78759395

itt RIDF triggered to their very soul.

>>78759502
there's literally only me and you ITT
> RIDF
don't flatter yourself

>>78759502
t. NIDF

>>78759502
Fuck off gipsy. NATO brings only death and destruction to humanity and supports only the evil regimes across the world.

>>78759563

RT/10

Nice russian propaganda you got there m8.

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>>78759563

I dunno man, it's worked out great in Eastern Europe and millions of Afghani Girls can go to school.

You can fight NATO with subterfuge, but you cannot find the inherent sociopolitical superiority of the Western model of civilization.

>>78759563

Spoken as a country whose only real friends are Iran, Venezuela and North Korea.

Nobody in the civilized world wants to associate with Russia. Just genocidal dictators.

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I used to think that NATO was a imperialistic shit.... Until Russia became the real "bad guy", Georgia in 2008, Ukraine, Crimea, Syria (supporting Al-Assad), Venezuela (supporting Maduro), Libia (supporting Gadaffi), etc..

Then I realized that NATO were the good boys in the movie, and that I'd rather live in a country ruled by NATO than a pro-russian shithole

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>>78759637
> millions of Afghani Girls can go to school.
likely as not that school was built by commies though
as to western civilization, NATO's very interventions and subsequent refugee flows are the biggest threat to it

be my guest, let in as many arabs as possible, sign up and move to Russian border on a three-month rotation. no, really, what could go wrong with Western model or whatever

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>>78759797
Georgia must be protected along with Estonia.

>>78759618
Fox News/10.

Nobody believes you as your propaganda always was the worst one.
https://youtu.be/EhsTNOeuUZo

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>>78759637
> millions of Afghani Girls can go to school.

no, they produce heroin while luckiest afghani girls go in soviet-built school and live in soviet-built commieblock

>>78759797
b-but you must know that georgia started the war in 2008, Ukraine was not visited by CIA director for nothing, Crimea is the same conflict you mentioned twice, and Russia has no troops in either Venesuela or Libya

I respect opinions expressed in the rest of your post though

>>78759869
Agreed but that would be hard to actually project power over the black sea and help if they needed it. It would be nice to have both Georgia and Azerbaijan too so we could project power into the Caspian too.

>>78759869
This picture is an actual proof that you support only the Evil regimes.

>>78759970
Georgia's national sport is Rugby, they can't be that evil.

>>78759970
There is literally nothing wrong with being evil.

>>78759950

I'm not going to read all your conspiranoic propaganda shit from your media man, sorry.

>>78759797
>>78759869
The funniest thing is that a EU report came to the conclusion that Georgia started the war. Even the fucking EU admits that but Nato shills are too dumb to realize that they're wrong
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/30/georgia-attacks-unjustifiable-eu
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-georgia-russia-report-idUSTRE58T4MO20090930
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/6247620/EU-blames-Georgia-for-starting-war-with-Russia.html

>>78760021
You can just go to Tskhinval and ask local people who started the war and why it was started and how they see future or their country.

>>78760021
read the EU report
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_Russo-Georgian_War#EU_Independent_Fact_Finding_Mission_Report

>>78760088
NATO shills just hate to admit anything that goes against their propaganda, see this again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhsTNOeuUZo

>>78760088

I'm a NATO shill, and Georgia was the aggressor.

Crimea is Russian also.

>>78759797

>thinking there are bad guys and good guys

HUEHEUHEUHEUEHUEHUE

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>>78760271

Americans will always fight for freedom man

Russia instead will always fight for tyrants and dictators

>>78760365

No need for superlatives like ''always'', but usually that's how it is, yeah.

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>>78760365
>>78760417
but that's factually wrong again

Russians have defended their national freedom in multiple European wars of conquest and US, as a nation, has not fought for their freedom once, and have on multiple occasions fought on the same side as- or to prop up- dictatorships

why do you buy into memes guys

>>78760365
america supported literal fascists like pinochet while torturing and murdering freedom fighters like lumumba
"we are da good guise" my ass

>>78760365

Explain the funding of jihadist groups and supporting SKA's regime then.

>>78760707
Pinochet is the reason Chile is the most developed SA country.

Are you mentally challenged ?

>lumumba

nigger soviet. Is there any worse combination ?

>>78760707
meanwhile russia supported freedom movements in africa, like nelson mandela

>>78760602

Sure...

>Russian allies:

Venezuela, North Korea, Iran, Syria, Libia, Nicaragua, Belarus, Cuba, -stan dictatorial shitholes, serbial tyrants and criminals (back in the days), Mugabe, separatist shitholes

>West allies:

Democratic countries

All Americans are saying that fuck NATO freeloaders and they are right. I hope that America would leave NATO and then the whole rotten organisation will fall apart lmao.

>>78760802
pinochet was a fascist mass murderer

lumumba was the first democratically elected president of congo and fought against european colonialism

america supported apartheid in south africa, russia supported equality

america is always on the wrong side of history, they not the good guys

>>78760893
yes saudi arabia democratic as fuck

>>78760941

>always
>brings up two examples
>ignores Eastern Europe, SA, Korea, Philippinnes, etc

The reality is that American allies prosper and nuke-less American enemies gets destroyed.

THat's the harsh reality that won't change at least for a while.

obsolete tool to keep America relevant.

>>78761062

And of course, samefagging RIDF.

>>78760365
dictators and freedom are not mutually exclusive

>>78760893
>Russian trade partners are now allies of russia
funny

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>>78761052
fuck off already

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>>78760707

Never, NEVER forget who saved you from poverty, communism, shortages, censorship, persecution and misery.

Today you live in a rich and wealthy country thanks to them... Be more grateful you literal piece of shit.

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>>78761087

>>78760893
that's a meme
>>78761052
> pretends Lumumba assasination and Pinochet support are isolated outliers
> brings up the dictatorial Korea that turned to a democracy on its own only after decades of developement, Phillipines that suffered pretty much a genocide at US hands and often openly detests US presence, and two vague regions, one of which is the CIA playground that is SA

I would say nice try, but it wasn't

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>>78761178

>>78761178

tl'dr, I don't care.

Commies need to be destroyed.

US influence has brought only good to this country.

>>78761235
woof woof, whos a good boy oh you are yes you are

>>78761185
Eastern Germany basically had the same HDI as America
You can't buy friendship with money
Capitalism is evil

>>78761217

You can't read that, and you haven't. Why do you expect me to?

I'm on 4chan, which is the nucleus of anti-American propaganda. Please, something to get my attention and I will read it.

A mighty alliance that has been keeping the Russians at bay for decades. We should kick Turkey out though.

when the fuck will the fight happen between NATO and Russia? I want both to die

>>78761320

We need to court Turkey.

Their human rights abuses don't matter if they are loyal to NATO operations and they don't go full Hitler like Serbia.

Turkey controls the straits and can project power in the Caucaz heavily. Turkey is the most important member of NATO after the US and France.

>>78761334
I can't wait for a war to break out so I can commit treason and backstab my fellow Nato soldiers

>>78761334
If shit hits the fan NATO won't forget to send a couple more nukes your way. Just for good measure ;^)

>>78761400

How has treason against the West work out for you last time ?

How did the Molotov-Ribentrop pact work out for you ?

but of course...

>basement dwelling kraut in one of the most statist society in the world
>any relevant social influence

>>78761369
hypocrisity of a nato shill
who cares if our allies violate human rights amirite?
we only care if our enemies do that because that gives us a pretext to invade

honestly I wouldn't even mind nato that much if they weren't such moralfagging hyprcrites

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>>78761334

I'd join to my fellow freedom fighters from NATO

America pays billions to be in an alliance with Merkel, Trudeau, Erdogan and Macron when we could form an alliance with Putin instead

>>78761474
Just remeber when training with German soldiers
I could be any of them and I will shoot you in the back

>>78761538

Argentina and Japan are functionally members of NATO due to bilateral treatsies with the US.

If WW3 happens, and we'll be happy to fight alongside you, latin brothers.

Also Argentina has an impressive armed forces for their budget.

So envious.

>>78761474
>statist

lmao

>>78761645
>Japan are functionally members of NATO due to bilateral treatsies with the US.

I hope my country won't ever join NATO. Asian conflicts aren't Europes business.

>>78761597

Not only that's a fantasy, it's such an ugly one.

You really think you're the good guy, here ?Is it really more than emotions ? Please be honest, no bamboozle.

Backstab your friends, a large portion of your economy relies on exports to us (Eastern Europeans, and I mean a disproportionately large portion)

Your friends who look up to you as a model of transnational cooperation, peacemaking, diplomacy and economic strength ?

For Russian oligarchs and silovikis who want nothing more than to invade and destroy us ?

Whatever floats your boat man. I don't expect sociopaths to make the distinction between good and evil.

>>78761217
>>78761178
those countries are now better off because of us, do NOT bully Romania, Vassal State

>>78761760

Welcome to a global world of economic interconnectedness, faggot.

You can't fight against the natural progression of geo-demographics.

NATO is cancer

>>78761893
I take it you want to live in a Socialist Dictatorship ala USSR?

NATO has done literally nothing but bully irrelevent states and keep European interests strong, leading to the prosperity of a billion people

>>78761645

I'd feel honored to fight side by side with you bro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjJZkWyBWHE

>>78761770
Bad post
You have to admit, most of our western "allies" sure seem hostile towards us.

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>>78761776

What vassal, faggot ?

We individually get more out of this than you. Collectively, you probably do get more of the alliance, but it's close to parity.

Your hegemony is becoming shaky. You would do well to be nice to your few true, committed allies.

>>78761930
I rather be socialist than capitalist scum
there's no capitalism in Islam

>>78761943

I did not mean to reply to you, but the german faggot who said any kraut soldier will ''shoot us in the back''. Sorry.

>>78761966
Im calling the KRAUTs a Vassal State

nobody bullies Romania on my watch
>>78761985
Starvation or social media hurt feeligns? hmmmm

>>78761855
>faggot

Nice slur, I fucking hate Eastern European shitholes, full of nazis and bigots. EU enlargement to east was a mistake.

>>78761985
>there's no capitalism in Islam
this
Based Russia is taking an example of the Islamic world and opens Muslim banks
https://www.rt.com/business/337049-islamic-banking-russia-kazan/

>>78762115
A Bank is inherently Capitalism

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>>78762084

Actually triggered.

I'm a gay sub and I've never been offended by being called faggot by close friends. You genuinely are, by a random on the internet.


You genuinely are offended by being called faggot, in 2017, on 4chan.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT MY SIDES

How can you live with yourself ?

>>78761985
islam is literally the same as capitalism

>>78762240
>I'm a gay sub

Sorry I don't speak faggot lmao, doesn't change the fact about Eastern European shitholes tho

>>78762430
wtf i HATE capitalism now!

>>78762523
Eastern Europeans are more comfortable and aesthetic than your discount Swedish wasteland of alcoholism

>>78762523

Have you ever written an actual fact in this thread, or really, this week, month, anywhere ?

>>78762604
Yes, EU's eastern enlargement was a huge mistake.

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>>78762668
>dragging up the stangnant EU's gdp growth
>never needed bailouts
>pay our debts
>congruent foreign policy
>massive manpower
>massive consumer base for western exports
>net contributors
>a check on Franco-German domination
Besides some gypos (fuck yeah, our country's so sick since they're going west), what's the problem ?

Luckily, people much smarter than you make these decisions.

So, what don't you like about it ?

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>>78762945
>net contributors

Yeah no. Also full of bigots who only care about money they get but don't want to repay it like immigrant crisis. And gyppos.

>>78763603
none of what you said is an issue

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>>78763779
Why don't America take all the gyppos then? They are so magical, like from a fairytale.

>>78764052
If your country cant correct a socio-economic failure on its part than its pretty much a failed place. Like here, we cant fix the blacks like we fixed the Irish and Germans. But that's hardly relevant to the EU,which is objectively a decent system and NATO is its de facto sword. If you hate prosperity so much move to Russia.

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>>78754377
Imperialist. Must be destroyed. Literally the one thing I wanted Trump to do and it was one of the first things he flaked on.

>>78754377
flag
should be disband, i don't trust trump in leading the nato.

>>78765405

We've killed you in the streets and in your homes without NATO, and we will after it's gone.

You wouldn't last two weeks under actual communism, fucking privileged suburban western faggot.

>>78757079
Your post is a joke. The second and last vid is not from Romania.

>>78765600
You're an actual faggot though
I think you're only pedaling for NATO because you think they represent you in some way, a sort of nation of gay. In fact, I very much agree.

But don't you realize that in an event of imminent war, all this faggotry will have no place in the ranks? A well-funded desert-bombing outsized police unit might tolerate any sort of inefficiencies, but a military fighting total war won't tolerate asshole sort of fraternization among their ranks screwing up morale among actual fighters.

Except in the navy.

>>78764296
>Like here, we cant fix the blacks like we fixed the Irish and Germans
How exactly did you fix Germans and Irish?

>>78766999

A faggot from a family of veterans. And nobody knows I am one IRL anyway.

Recent Saber Guardian exercises, and the ones in 2016, have shown a high degree of interoperability and congruence between NATO forces.

They act as one army. So how is this relevant ?

>>78754377
NATO, simply put, is any Islamic or commie country not invading democratic societies because of the threat of the US of A. NATO should also be expanded to Japan and South Korea imho, not that Europe won't go to their defense.

>>78754377
Fourth reich, but we leftist this time!

>>78767166

Are these trans-atlantic or European countries ?

They're not.

NATO is not about grabbing anyone who has disputes or friction with Russia.

I'd honestly love Russia in NATO as a force for Euroamerican world domination, but they're too busy sucking chink dick and being antagonistic towards us.

A good insurance policy.

>>78767266
NATO functions based upon the American hammer. Take the US out and Europe will be overrun immediately. Western Europe is completely demilitarized.

>>78767164
Morale is very relevant
When you're home town has been hit with a tactical nuke last week and you don't know if your wife and kids are safe, and you get orders to deploy to Odessa accross the sea you know is crawling with Varshavyanka submarines and in the next bunk your sergeant is receiving it from the rear from the team marksman, you just won't function

Any interoperability that isn't involving major Gypsy and private Romanenko is going to be pretty faulty.

>>78767351

Europe will not be overrun immidiately.

Are you fucking retarded ? Do you know anything of geostrategy and the realities of modern war between industrialized nations ? ?

Even your country might be hard to hold properly.

>>78767266
> NATO is not about grabbing anyone who has disputes or friction with Russia.

Actually that's exactly what it is since like 1990. That and bombing countries that didn't attack Nato to create terrorists that do.

>>78767407

>deploy to Odessa
>as if NATO would ever be on the offensive against Russia short of nuclear WW3.

>>78767526
> short of
I didn't mean short of.
Humanity loves war. I think it's reasonable to think there'll be one. It's at least an even chance during our lifetimes

>>78767623

Which is why I want to be on the winning side. In NATO.

I also doubt any of us (Eastern Europoors) will start it.

>>78767467
My point was that Russian "separatists" in Eastern Ukraine have times more tanks than the entire German armed forces. Except they first have to pass through the Baltics, Polan, and the Balkans. Sure they won't overrun anything easily, it will be times worse than the Chechnyan wars. My point was that Western Europe is dumping defense because they have no threat perception. The US has been telling them for ages to up the defense budgets.

>>78754377
1. Scotland
2. Necessary for the survival of Europe but would break apart if America were to leave

>>78767690
On average, some European post attacks Russia one every century or so
It's usually the stronger. Romania sided with it before too. It was never the winner

And like I said, in a war like that, faggots will not stay enlisted. At best, don't ask don't tell policy

>>78767901
>Post
Power*
>>78767690
And of course EE won't start anything. You're placeholders, remember? Not subjects, but objects. You choose to be this way yourself

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>>78767840

We have a 1000 operational tanks (half are modern, half are /really outdated/ but still tanks), and soon enough 60 HIMARS and 7 Patriots.

They must send conquer Ukraine first, AND send /at least/ a few divisions to get Bucharest. That's being extremely generous. ANd seriously, look at the numbers

Literally our shithole is stronger than Iraq, Afghanistan, arguably the whole of Ukraine, the Libyan forces and above 2012 Syria.

That's not counting Poland who is at least 70% stronger, expeditionary NATO forces, and of course, the eventual reinforcements in 1-2 days.

Russians would definitely win an invasion in two days, but ONLY WITH total mobilization and total war. Or with nukes.

But the first is the rela danger. Russians are very happy to use their conventional forces to solve disputes that could be solved diplomatically. If we think we can't rely on NATO, we HAVE to be strong enough to not be a target of theirs in a future dispute that's inevitable along such a long landspan.

You can either SERIOUSLY spend on your army like Israel, or rely on NATO, or do both - like Poland, Estonia and recently Romania.

The harsh reality is that there is no other rational geopolitical choice.

>>78767901
>>78767901
>some European post attacks Russia
Like Finland "bombed" Russia after the Molotov-Ribbetrop pact? Your entire story is KGB/NKVD fiction and you know it deep down.

>>78768161
Entire what story? I don't think knights rotting away at the bottom of Chudskoe lake were a KGB plot

>>78768142
No shit, Romania right now could probably annex entire Germany easily. Just the harsh reality. I have deep respect for Romanian forces, the Black Sea is the geostrategic key.

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>>78767980

Because we want have no beefs and we like our nations as they are, and on the path they are. Maybe not in terms of EU insitutional bias (eu rapesylum seekers), but in terms of democracy and human rights. Of actually having a free society that's not filtered by the Kremlin, of our journalists not getting poisoned or killed, of our allies not being snide, condescending and insulting, of our lands not being subject of negotiations between jews.

You ain't ever getting this clay, Ivan. Not in our lifetimes.

>>78768345
Ivan you make me laugh, the knights weren't much of a thing anyway since all their forces were made up of locals. Why is Chudskoye lake a thing when the entire populace in Pskov is our own kind that turned to Orthodoxy. Man, don't even talk to me about St. Petersburg.

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>>78768367
HE HELD HIS SON'S ARM BEFORE HE DIED

>>78768367
Big words for a placeholder

I don't need your clay. But if some mistake happens and politicians can't steer away from it, you guys better come at us better than back when you were playing that "free society" or whatever thing with Hitler

>>78768487
Locals, huyekals. If you want to ignore history because NKVD did literally nothing to your great grandfather it's your business but don't expect me to pretend that the number of wars started by Russia against the west and their destructiveness comes close to what the contemporary enemy of Russia was doing. In any century, from crusades to this day.

Just isn't the case, sorry. If this truth hurts, be assured that pain isn't a new form of Russian aggression

>>78768724
>NKVD did literally nothing to your great grandfather
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
>the number of wars started by Russia against the west
Most weren't started by the West. But I make a differentiation between Tsarist Russia, which btw, we supported (and all military officers were White guard aligned with the British kin to the tsar), commie Russia and modern KGB Russia.

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>>78768578


If some mistake happens, something big enough to involve the world community, you won't win, and it will very likely be started by you.