Which country has contributed the most to humanity, Italy or France?

>>78715107
America

Certainly not Sweden anyways lmoa

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>>78715107
Italy created France

>>78715107
Italy created the basis but nowadays western world is shaped to the image of France.

>>78715234
>>78715107
GREECE CREATED ITALY

AND THE HUMAN RACE

ITALY

THE BASTARD SON OF GREECE

FRANCE
THE SON OF A BASTARD AND A WHORE

>>78715380
Isn't Germany the bastard son of France?

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>>78715380
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE

>>78715437
GERMANY IS A MONGREL

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GERMAN HISTORY IN SHORT:

I AM JEALOUS AND MUST COPY GREECE ROME AND FRANCE

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GERMANS KILLED MORE WHITES IN HUMAN HISTORY THAN ANYONE ELSE

you would like to see me jump at the throat of a frenchman wouldn't you?

>>78715307
Italy is not Rome

>>78715919
yup, in fact Rome is only a part of Italy.

>>78716010
Italians are not Romans

>>78716109
not all of them, but Romans are Italians :)

>>78716109
Taci, barbaro.

>>78715234
France via Napoléon III created modern Italy after the war against Empire of Austria. You're welcome

>>78716195
And look what has become of it

>>78715107
Frenchies are bros, try these baits with the anglos.

>>78715107
It's kinda hard to say. A lot of what France influenced the world is based ton Italian work. I'd say France because it's broader but Italy is a solid fundation up to the 18th century
>>78715234
"Gallia" existed before the roman conquests, and France as a kingdom is irrelevant to rome

The French have certainly been more influential when it comes to shaping the modern state of Europe. Italy laid its ancient basis. Depends on which you like best. For what i'm concerned France died with the war of Vendée.

>>78715107
I dare to say, it's france.

>>78716326
Paris influencee the world. France however, has always been raped by Paris.

UK and perhaps the USA (the USA contribute a lot since their birth)

>>78715437
other way around

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>>78715107

I am Greek

>>78716548
It's more like incestuous siblings I think.

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>Romans create France
>France creates Italy
>France invades Africa
>Africa invades Europe

life, uh… finds a way

>>78715107
If you don't count Roman Empire, France

>>78716010
>>78716131
kek, nice

I've never been to Italy but I think it's Italy because French people were the worst ever when I visited Paris
They treat me like a subhuman gook(actually it's true but German weren't that bad)

>>78717642
Le japanese interesting post.

>>78715166
We're far superior per capita than you niggers ever were.

>>78716351
>Royalist shittalk
>italian flag

....wut.

>>78715107
Franco-Italian Union when?

>>78716351
>Italy laid its ancient basis
italy is not even 200 years old

>>78720236
We can only dream.

el GermANO furente, seniores

listen, Hermann Wolfesteinsson, go discuss the consistency of mud and the problem of heating caverns somewhere else

>>78720236
>biggest economy in Europe
>1st country for international tourism
>cultural juggernaut
>cuisine to end all cuisines
We would be unstoppable Jacques, but it will never happen

>>78722334
the border shape would be utter shite, this problem is insurmountable

unless switzerland and part of germany are conquered

I love Italians
I need an venetian gf

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>>78720236
>>78722334
Why have I never thought about this? This is perfection

>>78720331
>ye olde "a country is as old as his most recent political form" argument
Listen to me mr 3 october 1990, that argument is for dumb burgers.

>>78716548
No.

>>78720184
>hating based royalists

faggot

>>78722477
French Swiss and Ticino can join too. Only problem would be the capital. I'd say Rome and Paris are left in charge of each part and a symbolic capital is placed in Nice or Aosta.

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>>78715107
Both are equally important.

d-don't fight please

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>>78722334
>>78722522
>>78720236

p-please let us in, save us from ourselves

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>>78722787
>Aosta

>>78722787
Let's take some random town near the Franco-Italian border and turn it into a huge capital

For shit and giggles :^)

>>78715353
Egypt created greece

>>78722841
Let's annex Monaco and make it the capital, it's ideally placed

>>78722789
I will never forget perros castellanos for oppressing italy in the past, fuck you malditos, free catalunya libre, fuck ethpana, fuck madrid, fuck madrilenos hijos de puta, mierda

>>78722983
el peruANO senores

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>>78722832
At this we might as well just revive the Roman Empire

>>78723055
at this point*

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>>78723055
stop making me sad

>>78722787
Splitting the capital is rarely a good idea.

The de facto capital should be Turin.

>>78723055
>>78723174
As a gaul : nah, thanks

I still like Italy, Spen, Romania and Portugal

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>Italy

>>78722916
The Flintstones created Egypt

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>>78723264
>As a Gaul

>>78723697
yes, you roman subhuman

I am a gaul

>>78723771
*tips laurel crown*

>>78723771
Northerners used to be Gauls too but they were smart enough to stop larping after some time they got Roman'd.

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>>78723264
>As a gaul

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>>78723264
>as a Gaul

Anon, I'm afraid it's far more complicated than that

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>>78723813
>>78723926

Don't listen to this guy, I for one welcome our Roman overlord

>>78723926
I live in the 'middle' of France

My autism is justified

>>78723934
>>78723949
I WON'T LET MY DREAMS BE DREAMS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PhvFKAgx18

>>78723984
you unironically deserve death, tbqhwyfamalam

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>>78723055

No, you guys can't become one with the Krauts.

>>78722629
yes

>>78724213
No, we created g*rmany

>>78724110
uh?

>>78723264
>Gaul
Inferior to the glorious Visigoth, fag.

>>78724341
franks>gauls>>>gothsubhumans

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>>78724371
Franks... GIVE IT BACK

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>>78724412
non

Syria

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>>78724593
DO WHAT I SAY Y-YOU SUBHUMAN GAUL

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>>78724065
>Barbarian thinks he's got shit on the rich Narbonensis

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don't bully gauls