>imagine being this level of deluded

>>78585454
We definitly have some kind of cold war situation right now tho

>tfw russia becomes irrelevant in their own game

OP is probably the kind of guy on the side of Georges W Bush on 2003.

>>78585454
Based Putin
Amerishart genocide when?

>>78585454
I guess that's just another way of saying that nukes exist.

>>78585657
Do it yourself.

>>78585597
if anything it's the second Cold War, not an extension of the last one

the first one ended with Salt 2

>>78585765
> no peace treaty with Germany
> Germany still occupied by the US
> Germany isn't a sovereign state yet (Grundgesetz still exists etc.)
Doesn't sound like the Cold War is over.

>>78585848
>germany
>being important to Cold War politics

You were a buffer zone.
What makes you think Germany decides when it ends.

>>78585872
> You were a buffer zone.
We still are a buffer zone.
> What makes you think Germany decides when it ends.
The fact that Germany is a buffer zone.

>>78585454
>OP is a pidor
t. Barron Trump

>>78585927
That would also mean North Korea/South Korea gets to decide if it's over then. Since there a buffer zone between the U.S./Japan and China/Russia

>>78585702
Erm.. okay
I'm coming to get you lardy

>>78585454
>deluded
Looks like it's reversed. It's you who are deluded if you reject this simple fact.

>>78585977
They do, too. Korea is still occupied as well.

>>78586005
So why exactly is your flag not completely red with a symbol in the top left corner?

>>78586029
Why should it be, you brainwashed american? Will you deny the fact that ideology has nothing to do with the Cold War and it always was only about the influence and dragging the recources from the 3rd world countries?

>>78586029
Why does the NATO still exists and keeps expanding if there is no more country with red flag and retarded symbol in the top left corner?

>>78586029
>its a Burger taking the quote literally and personally episode
He was saying this with a hint of irony. His point being that a form of cold war still rages on between the US and Russia

>>78586159
The Butthurt Belt asked us to expand it, and so we did. Putin's actions in Ukraine have also proven to be an excellent argument for NATO's continued existence.

>>78585454
>soviet union collapses and its left overs turn even more of a shithole than they were before
>b-but we didnt lose
Russians are retarded

>>78586262
>Putin's actions in Ukraine have also proven to be an excellent argument for NATO's continued existence.
It's reversed again. If there were no NATO's actions and expansion there would be no Ukrainian crisis. Think about it.

>>78586262
> Putin's actions in Ukraine have also proven to be an excellent argument for NATO's continued existence.
L.O.L.

>>78586262
>threaten Russia by expanding NATO
>fund a fiercely anti Russian color revolution in Ukraine
>Russia responds
>LOOK THEY RESPONDED! WE WERE TOTALLY JUSTIFIED!

>>78586302
He meant that the Cold War didn't end with fall of Soviet Union and West will never stop until Russia will cease to exist you dumb retard. Learn to read.

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>>78586307
>>78586317
>>78586327

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOsKlHMfqbE

MOSKAU MOSKAU MOSKAU

>>78586327
>>78586317
>>78586307
How cute, Kremlinbot puts on his proxies to samefag.

>>78586307
MUH NEURONS

>>78586334
Uh oh, first ruslel got asshurt already

>>78586344
Dumb frogposter

>>78585454
He is not exactly right. But neither is he completely wrong.

>>78586118
that is what they teach you in putins russia? why am i not surprised. "resources" my ass. you had no fukcing resources to feed yourselves and you were helping cuba and trying to start shit in south america and installed your puppet commies all over eastern europe.

>>78586355
>muh kremlinbots
Do you always blame kremlinbots when you have nothing to answer? It's always hackers and the bots, yeah

>>78586364
retarded russian diaspora

Russia is a gas station and a regional power with no manufacturing base anymore, a far cry from 40 years ago.

>everyone who disagrees with me is a bot
This thread is either b8 or you're trying to justify your dumb ass being a dumbass now

>>78586355
Russia adjusted political borders to make them correspond to ethnic borders.
What's wrong with that?

>>78586363
>said some wrong things
>get corrected
>didn't want to admit that he screwed and says some bullshit about asshurt
Is it actual autism?

>>78586390
this russkie in switzerland has a split personality. he always attacks commies in the russia threads but here he is on a mission to defend his homeland, fucking retard

>>78586384
>you had no fukcing resources to feed yourselves
lmao.

You invaded dozens of third world countries during last 40 years to drag all the recources from them.

>>78586355
>Pentagonbot jelous because he doesn't know how to use proxies

>>78586419
>Russia adjusted political borders to make them correspond to ethnic borders

thepointyourhead.jpg

The way they went about occupying Crimea was out of the 19th century, it's not acceptable diplomatic practice in this day and age.

>>78586415
he's not alone, all America supporters are like this in most of the countries.

that's why Europeans always say that they are dumb fat faggots.

>>78586419
>adjusted political borders
Is that what annexing a country is called now?

The U.S. should just adjust it's political borders to include Canada then.

>>78586465
>he always attacks commies in the russia threads
Dont think Ive ever done that but fuck commies.
>defend his homeland,
Why iss that retarded exactly?

>>78586468
Which resources did we drag from anybody , asswipe? Muh oil?

> it's not acceptable diplomatic practice in this day and age

> muh current year

>>78586334
>dumb retard
Learn to speak politely, you fuckturd.
>>78586363
Are you alright honey?

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what morons in this thread dont know is that Putin said it after the US senate declared Russia to the most important enemy of the USA in the world signing massive sanctions and anti-russian propaganda speding.

Putin has done well for himself

He has used the internets to convert quite a lot of people into 5th column in their own countries

>>78586542
because you are roleplaying as a cunt instead of being fair. you say fuck commies yet defending your commie past.

>>78586550
>Learn to speak politely
No need in this when you speak with amerifarts and butthurt belt honorary members.

>>78586564
But it's revisionism to say they didn't lose it.
Just because it started again doesn't mean they didn't lose.

>>78586503
Yeah, it's better to just set up your military bases there and exploit the resources you want without calling it anything. Then, if the locals don't like it, just torture and carpet bomb their homes until they do. Much more 21st century.

The sad part is when you have governments run by people brainwashed by decades of Cold War propaganda. That doesn't apply to Millenials of course but the people running governments are over 50 in most cases.

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>>78586572

ohh! hey Incestoidskauch!

>>78586541
Ever heard about Stalin's "divide and conquer" border policies? Making Crimea a part of Russia again was just a reversal of Stalin's actions. A similar situation exists between Armenia and Azerbaijan but less people care because it's irrelevant for the NATO.

>>78586605
oh look who is talking. another commie shithole. do you have a towel to sell me?

>>78586582
>you say fuck commies yet defending your commie past.
Ukraine shouldn't exist, it was made up by commies. Fuck commies, long live nationalistic Russian Empire with capitalism and without any "national republics" with made up identities. And fuck Jewnited States of America too.

>>78586653
Free Chechnya

>>78586638
>because it's irrelevant for the NATO
Yet they care about South Ossetia and Abkhazia with same situation because it's relevant for NATO. Fucktards.

>>78586653
>Ukraine shouldn't exist, it was made up by commies

It was, but for some reason they're ripping down every Lenin statue they can find when he drew up their sorry borders in the first place.

>>78586680
Free California.

>>78586696
Because they're retards.

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>>78586696
>they're ripping down every Lenin statue they can find

>>78586582
Kek. I honestly hope this is b8 for your sake.
How the fuck am i defending our commie past here? You focused on an emotional response to what he said and resorted to "muhh we defeated communism how dare he say that" sentiment immediately and misunderstood the entire point of the quote see>>78586226

>>78586653
t. Zhirinovsky

>>78586681
Probably because Georgia desperately wants to be cucked by the US/NATO.

>>78586262
Hmmmmmmmm

>>78586730
More like Prosvirnin. This Jew will never say that

>>78586118
North-South trade barely existed during the Cold War. It's only recently that it's become a major factor in the global economy

>>78586545
You put your shitass puppets to control the country

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>>78586680

#boston #never #forget

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>>78586740

georgia was promissed own oil pipeline from to Bulgaria. stupid caucasus monkies tought that they can create own saudi style empire on such shit.

There were guys like Pat Buchanan who believed NATO should have been dissolved in 1992 and for years, there might even have been some credibility to this view. However, what happened in 2008 and 14 was a big, big mistake on Putin's part because he ensured now that nobody will discuss dissolving NATO again for the next 40 years.

i hope NK nukes antarctica and end this shit ridden planet

godspeed NK R&D

>>78586866
>was a big, big mistake on Putin's part
How do you figure?

By ensuring that NATO stays around, he can continue to convince Russians that they must continue supporting him. Creating an enemy is an easy way to remain popular and thus stay in power.

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>>78586866

NATO is dead since 1990 dude. now its just american colonial forces. europeans are trying to create own defenses since 1995 but are always sabotaged by the anglosaxons. brecit and USA in the touble will maybe give them a chance to free themselves from US empire.

>>78586866
>However, what happened in 2008 was a big, big mistake on Putin's part because
Helping South Ossetia not getting wiped out was a mistake? Fuck off, USA, kill your fascist Georgians in the ass.

>>78586866
The real truth is that the global recession and a drop in oil prices hit Russia pretty hard and Putin needed some kind of foreign policy distraction to draw attention away from domestic issues. It is not different from China's sudden aggressiveness in the SCS.

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yes, let's listen to what some ruskie sleeper agent has to say about our military alliance

>>78586962
lol, as if Ossetians (and their Russian helpers) are any better

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_of_Georgians_in_South_Ossetia

>>78586920
Yes. Russians are literally shaking because NATO panzers might steamroll to Moscow overnight.

>>78587007
60 thousand Ossetian refugees from Georgia and countless burned Ossetian villages don't count?

>>78586866
Please tell why you think Russia "attacked" Georgia?
Why did they do it?

>>78587026
They are thieves.

>>78587021
Of course they do, I'm just saying that your side isn't actually all that better. Trying to claim the moral high ground in that situation is ridiculous.

>>78587026
I doubt he even knows how this conflicts in Georgia started and how the guy called Zviad Gamsakhurdia, who was, without any memes, literal fascist, came to power. And these are guys whom they support.

"He may Be a Son of A Bitch... But He's Our Son of A Bitch" - nuff said.

>>78587017
It's weird how the far right has coopted this nonsensical Kremlin propaganda "argument." Just a few years ago you only got that stuff from the far left

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>>78587007
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_of_Georgians_in_South_Ossetia
#top kek. do you fuck even realize that this whole shit is fake dont you?

>ossetian cleanising of georgians.
>bydlo and chashy visiting border with ossetia where they are greeting georgian farmers living in Osetia

http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/mi-budemo-borotisya-shob-likviduvati-kolyuchi-droti-preziden-42510

>after that he ordered to build another piece of border wall in own country.

>>78586262
Putin's actions in Ukraine were an answer to Nato expansion

>>78587069
Being the one who started the war and being FIRST to expel thousands of people and then claiming that your side isn't worse - THIS is ridiculous. Expelling Georgians from Ossetia was a response. Of course it's a crime as well, yet you should always blame the agressor, not the victim with self-defense, don't you?

>>78587109
Just like that NATO would be in Moscow and the Russians would have to suffer under western governance. Life as they know would never be the same. They have nightmares about being in the Norwegian occupation zone. The horror of going from Russian governance to Norwegian governance.

Notice how these Russia critics are literally circlejerking itt about muhh propaganda instead of actually debating any of the points made against them when the discourse goes beyond just being superficial headlines-tier statements and involves complex ideas.
Talk about propaganda..

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>>78587114
Except the South Ossetian government isn't even denying it. They openly admit to having kicked out some 15,000 ethnic Georgians and having burned their homes to prevent them from ever coming back.

Moreover, Georgians literally cannot access South Ossetia anymore. They can't even access parts of their own country south of South Ossetia which are currently held by Russian forces. So what you're saying is nonsensical, unless of course you think every single ethnic Georgian is in on some sort of conspiracy, in which case you're a fucking schizoid.

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>>78587236

>>78587069
>Of course they do, I'm just saying that your side isn't actually all that better.
It's not "our" side. We even agreed to CIS sanctions against Abkhazia which were ended only in 2008. Our peacekeepers participated in the same mission Georgians agreed to. Along with Georgians themselves. Also look up who actually fought in those wars on secessionists side. I'll give you a hint: they've killed plenty of russians and had no sympathy for us.

>>78587236
pls

>>78587236
The German flag in here is a known butthurt Russian diaspora troll who lives in Germany on welfare. Why would we give him serious replies?

These discussions are always the same
>look how aggressive you are
>but you're not better
>stop provoking us
>you provoked us first
>fuck off bot
>no you're the bot here
I love both America and Russia stop fighting ok

>>78587315
>lives on welfare
stop making shit up you moron

>>78587173
>not the victim with self-defense
Ethnic cleansing of civilians isn't "self-defense" by any stretch of the imagination.

But you're absolutely correct that Georgians also acted very badly by trying to invade South Ossetia (thus violating the peace which was in place) and doing their own ethnic cleansing of Ossetians. After all, had they simply done nothing, they'd still control their own clay close to the border, and there'd still be some ~17,000 Georgians in South Ossetia.

But two wrongs don't make a right.

>>78587238
Yes, they burned them, because their villages were dangerous for Ossetians for previous 20 years. Mass killings at Eredvi village took place at 1991 for example, and in 2008 they invited Georgian militants who bombed Tskhinval from where

It's called ethnic conflict, m8

>>78587236
How do you seriously respond to "We had to invade eastern Ukraine because otherwise NATO would INVADE RUSSIA JUST LIKE HITLER GUIZZZZ" It refutes itself

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>>78587238
>Except

>In the late 1980s, Ossetian nationalistic organization, Adamon Nikhas (Voice of the People) was created.[5] On 10 November 1989, the South Ossetian Supreme Soviet asked the Supreme Soviet of the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic for the status of the region to be upgraded to that of autonomous republic. However this application was rejected on 16 November and the Georgians besieged Tskhinvali on 23 November 1989

Amidst rising ethnic tensions, war broke out when Georgian forces entered the capital of South Ossetia, Tskhinvali.[8] More than 2,000 people are believed to have been killed in the war.[9] The separatists were helped by former Soviet military units, who by now had come under Russian command.[10] Approximately 100,000 Ossetians fled Georgia proper and South Ossetia, while 23,000 Georgians left South Ossetia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian%E2%80%93Ossetian_conflict

>>78587347
Here you are absolutely right, yeah.

Doesn't it bother russians that this man is getting filthy rich through corruption, murder and the poverty of other russians?

>>78587315
You are the same american complaining about it lmao

>>78585597
>>78585765
>>78585848
>>78585872
>>78585927
>>78586028


It's all over when (((they))) decide it is over.

>>78587364
Nato expanded closer to the Russian border even though they promosed not to, and now they were about to gain direct access to the Russian Black Sea Fleet (Crimea) and Putin felt the urge to respond and set a boundary to the West. I'm not trying to justify this move but I do understand his intentions

>>78587423
85% of them don't because they're too uneducated/brainwashed. The Russian mentality is inherently a serf one that glorifies strong, autocratic rulers.

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>>78586600

You have Asperger's.

That is why you cannot understand this.

Putin was speaking abstraction, Assburgers do no have the ability to understand abstraction because of the Asperger's.

You will never understand; you are retarded.

>>78587364
>"We had to invade eastern Ukraine because otherwise NATO would INVADE RUSSIA JUST LIKE HITLER GUIZZZZ" It refutes itself
When you fail to understand the geopolitical intricacies of the situation or that NATO does pose a threat to Russia and prevert the original argument into a simplistic two-dimensional paradigm to suit your needs Im sure it does anon. Ukraine revolution was without a doubt a planned move by the West in order to further negate Russian influence and advance NATO power in the region.

>>78587389
Your argument is nothing more than whataboutism.

Read my other posts, I'm not pretending that Georgians acted well. Frankly, they deserve to no longer have control of South Ossetia and, to a lesser extent, Abkhazia. However, that doesn't justify ethnic cleansing of Georgian civilians by South Ossetians.

And I'm not sure why you posted that pic, but no, I'm not Ukrainian.

Russia drastically changes its ideology every 50 years while remaining the same violent shithole.

>>78586028
>Korea is still occupied as well.
Korea is different. It's technically just a ceasefire so the war is still on. Plus if we left their crazy neighbor would invade again.

>>78586028
They want us to stay, though. Nixon was thinking about leaving and it turned out SK was bribing Congressmen to make sure it didn't happen

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>>78586307
>It's reversed again. If there were no NATO's actions and expansion there would be no Ukrainian crisis. Think about it.
Holy shit I refuse to believe you're this stupid.

>>78586355
Pretty sure the "German" is just the Russian diaspora. He gets defensive whenever anything negative is posted about Russia.

>>78587774
he is chechen.

>>78586680
lol, why can't you stop supporting rabid goat fucker jihadists?

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>>78587613
>Your argument

YOOOAAHH!! FUCKING BEAR SHIT GANJA!! THOSE ARE UN DOCUMENTED REPORTS!!

>>78586419
>Russia adjusted political borders to make them correspond to ethnic borders.
>What's wrong with that?
If I were to believe your 19th century Philosophy, there is still a major issue in that the reason there are so many Russians there and very few tartars is because of Stalin's policies. Also, this very argument is why the Baltics are justified in joining NATO.

>>78587707
>>78587774
>you're stupid
>you're diaspora
The masters of argumentation

The Russian Federation never lost the Cold War...
because it didn't exist at the time.

>>78587774
>Desperately sticking to ad hominems
>personal accusations
You should argue not shitflinging

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>>78587856
>>78587774

i find it hilarious how ukrainian whores in USA are trying personal attacks on people who disagree with them.

you literally are fucking scumbags,.

>>78587858
You ought to get yourself diagnosed.

>>78586545
Give me one, ONE justified war america fought since WW1.

>>78587892
You literally do the same. But he is still retarded. On weekly basis I have observed how he resorts to personal accusations as his last grasp.

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>>78587908

top kek. here it comes the jew tactics..

>>78586503
>it's not acceptable diplomatic practice in this day and age

>this post
>this flag
Kill yourself mate.

>>78586468
>You invaded dozens of third world countries during last 40 years to drag all the recources from them.
>dozen>last 40 years
Which 24 countries did we invade in the last 40 years?

What resources did we get? If you mention oil mist if ours we get from ourselves and our two neighbors and we buy some from places like Venezuela. Only about 8-9% comes from the Middle East (all of which is purchased) and Iraq fully owns their oil. Afghanistan doesn't have any easy to get to resources either. I'm not sure what resources Panama even has.

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>>78588086

>>78587500
m8 it is not that you are any better

>>78587774
We know who this guy is, his parents own a restaurant in Munich and they fled from Russia in the 90s. He has never actually lived in Russia, but like all 2nd-3rd generation diaspora feels the need to obsessively dickride his country of origin.

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>>78587934
>Give me one, ONE justified war america fought since WW1.

WW2 would be a major one. Then Korea, First Iraq War and Afghanistan. And currently I suppose you could say the airstrike against ISIS but that's not really a war for us.

>>78588086
>I'm not sure what resources Panama even has.
panama channel

>>78586985
>It is not different from China's sudden aggressiveness in the SCS.
It's their own backyard. The only aggressiveness in that area is YOUR cancerous nation playing world police. If China had encircled the USA with military bases and had it's warships patrolling off the coast of Los Angeles, how the fuck do think your nation would respond? That's what the US has done and is aggressively doing to China.

Fucking burgers, ignorance warmongering cunts.

>>78587969
>muh cookies
If handing out cookies is how to start a coup, the CIA really fucked up during the Cold War. We could have just handed out cookies in the Warsaw Pact.

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>78588141
Kek

>>78588164
Yes, Zhang, I'm sure Hitler also felt that invading Poland and Czechoslovakia was justified because it was in his backyard.

>>78588143
>ww2
wrong
>korea
wrong
>iraq
wrong
>afghanistan
wrong
>isis
literally funded and controlled by the US and Israel

I said 'justified', none of these are.
Stop LARPing as your country, you have nothing to do with it and what it has done.

>>78588155
We already controlled the canal zone we only returned it in 1999.

>>78588119
>Bombing is now invasion
I love how that just glosses over why we bombed this places and that many targets are terrorists we bombed at the request of the legitimate government or because we were in a war said target started.

>>78588318
>we bombed at the request of the legitimate government
holy shit this delusion

>>78588247
He seems to also gloss over the fact that nearly every cunt in East and Southeast Asia are requesting American money/weapons/defense treaties to protect themselves from China.

>>78588257
>ww2
>wrong
Japan declared war and attacked our Pacific fleet how is that not justified you high powered imbecile?
>>korea
>wrong
UN action resulting from the North invading the South
>>iraq
>wrong
Yes they attacked and annexed a neighbor that asked for our help.
>>afghanistan
>wrong
Yes, we entered a civil war when the controlling side wouldn't hand over bin laden.
>>isis
>literally funded and controlled by the US and Israel
OK now I can see your a paranoid schizophrenic.

>I said 'justified', none of these are.
>Stop LARPing as your country, you have nothing to do with it and what it has done.
I'm not Larping, you asked a question and I answered. Your clearly a moron if you don't think a country declaring war in us isn't a justified war.

>it's a brainwashed people argue with one another thread
Why must I be so woke, it's depressing

>>78588386
There's a good reason why the american population is the most engineered and brainwashed one.
With those answers I can see where this would go, not really worth my time.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-engelhardt/how-america-made-isis_b_5751876.html

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq

I've seen some Putinbot shill threads before, but this one is at a whole new level.

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>>78588757
>when you got btfo in your own thread and have nothing more to say, but you really want to have the last word so you repeat the same sentence you've already posted 1000 times ITT

>>78588119
>oh no, why is America bombing all these communist dictatorships, terror supporters and drug traffickers?!

>>78588909
Don't seriously reply to that German flag. Just ignore and move on.

>>78585454
the cold war didnt end only if you consider china as taking the lead on that front, because russia is irrelevant. and even then theyre not actively engaging on some ideological proxdy war so nah

>>78585597
I don't think we do, not exactly. The imbalance between the US and Russia is absolutely absurd today. The US has more than 3 times as many people, an economy more than 15 times as large, spends more than twice as much on the military....the list goes on and on. You can't call the modern US-Russia relationship a continuation of the Cold War because it's so hopelessly one-sided. Russia is no longer the US's main rival, no matter how desperately Russians, Europeans, and American leftists wish this was true.

>>78590407
>Russia is no longer the US's main rival
We've had our new geopolitical rival since September 11, 2001.

If MAD had happened the world would have been a better place.

>>78585597
China is going to replace Russia if there's ever going to be another cold war, they already perform a massive amount of espionage on the West as it is.

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>>78588202
>handing cookies
Well, I suppose she was not only handing cookies, but speaking with opposition leaders too?
How would americans react if Putin would hand cookies to some protesters and after a week after it they would succeed with a coup?
All this things about Trump being connected with Russia... well, it can be true or can be false, but it is nothing to compare with how much USA stomping shit out of political independence of other countries. Including Russia, in 1996 for example.

russia never lost the cold war... because russian federation was formed after cold war

>>78592846
checkmate russophobes!

(not really though since russia is legal, direct successor of the soviet union, so all the achievements and loses of the USSR are russia's responsibility now)

>>78585454
Russia is nothing like the Soviet Union in terms of power and influence. I don't see what is there to discuss. If it wasn't for a lot of nukes Russia wouldn't even being considered more important than some Iraq or Afghanistan by the US. No matter how much putinshills try to deny it, it won't change the reality. Modern Russia is a joke, a gas station with thousands of nukes, nothing more.

>>78592974
So what? It sounds like if you are not superpower you have nothing to defend and automatically become invisible to the world.
>Russia without nukes is less important than Afghanistan
Are you serious?

Can't decide who I dislike more, Putinbots or yanks

>>78593151
totally serious. without nukes russia wouldn't be a military threat to america whatsoever.
also there is a huge difference between "having something to defend" and being an equal rival to the only superpower that currently exists. read the op post again, this is what the thread is about. cold war is long gone and russia/ussr lost it, america won. current russia is not a major rival to the US

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>>78593174
at least americans are genuine even though they are overly and ridiculously patriotic. putinshills on the other hand defend putin and his oligarch only to make some cash. they also quite dangerous since they might brainwash western youth into thinking that russia is some christian paradise while in reality it's just a poor, hiv-infested corrupted shithole ruled by a dictator and his cronies

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>>78593319

>>78593256
Nobody tells that Russia is a military threat to USA without nukes. Why should it even? Even in times of "real cold war" noone supposed that soviet troops will cross the ocean to invade Texas.
It's about meaning of the words of course, but in OP's quotation Putin said that with the collapse of Soviet Union the west haven't become russian sincere ally - it's a still "a capitalistic carnivore willing to consume Russia". Isn't it kind of true? So, if Russia is still able ot defend it's interests and west is still going to advance with different measures, cold war is still going on.

>>78586307
>Russian political theorists

>>78594032
he's right actually

@78594152
no, (You) are not right. russian invasion of crimea has nothing to do with NATO.

Лeл, cъeби в cвoй зaгoн, шизик.

@78594262
этo ты нa мeйлaч cъeби, шлюхa пятнaдцaтиpyблeвaя

Putin is deluded because he still lives in the world where SU never fell and Russia is still a superpower to match the US.

lmao

Пpoopaл c этoгo бинapнoгo пeтyхa. He oтвeчaй мнe бoльшe, живoтнoe.

>>78594214
>>78594032
>>78586307
>>78586262
>>78594152
I don't see how NATO itself is the reason of Ukrainian crysis, just because being a military alliance it is very restricted in it's measures. On the other hand the coup in Ukraine in 2014 was not only own ukrainian business, western influence was very high. One of the reasons for Russia to activate shit in Eastern Ukraine and annex Crymea is the fact that new ukrainian government could let NATO-forces too close for comfort to russian borders and Moscow and take russian fleet out of Sevastopol. Any sane person can understand that russian reaction was inevitable and logical.
To sum up: one of main reasons for all this shit in ukraine is the fact it became the theatre of russia-western cold war. By the way, there are almost no western interests in Ukraine to defend, only to stick some forks in an eye of the bear.
>>78594419
You are deluded if you honestly think that Putin is that stupid. Let me reassure you: people that mad can not "kind of succesfully(for themselfes)" manage a huge country for 17 years.

@78594454
иди cвoeй жиpнoй тyпopылoй oпyщeннoй мaтepи-шaлaвe paccкaзывaй чтo eй дeлaть.
пpoopaлo oнo; cyкa, нy чтo зa гoвнo cкyдoyмнoe

>>78594472
By NATO he means "the West" I guess.

>>78594472
>russia-western cold war.
putinshills are at it again. the US (they don't even need whole western world for it) does that all the time in almost any region (syria/saudi arabia - yemen/iraq-iran in the middle east; basically whole latin america; china - japan and south korea in asia and etc). russia is just one of many countries america is playing with. it is basically iran tier relevant now, and without the nukes it would be on iraq's level

>>78594534
no, he definitely did not

>>78585597
How the fuck is there a new cold war now, this meme sucks.

The thing about the cold war was the constant threat of nuclear war. We don't have that anymore.

Also the harsh division between the 1st and 2nd world. We also don't have that anymore. Relations being chilly doesn't mean the cold war started again.

>>78594691
>Relations being chilly doesn't mean the cold war started again.
this.
when the US moved some of their military ships near the south china sea and china was strongly against it the situation got quite chilly but it doesn't mean that the US-china cold war started. by that logic there are hundreds of cold wars going on. and even if it's true none of the current cold wars are as important and global as the USSR-USA cold war been, since there is no country that could rival america currently exists

>>78594647
>putinshills are at it again. the US does that all the time in almost any region
That's kind of true. And I will continue naming this types of confrontation "cold wars" cause they are not cold and they are very complex, continuous and suppose many types of measures and countermeasures.
>it is basically iran tier relevant now, and without the nukes it would be on iraq's level
Now you have to proof that Russia is Iraq tier without nukes. Iraq is devastated and highly divided state now. How can even compare, honestly?

>>78594961
He oтвeчaй eмy, этo шизик из ex ussr.

>>78590407
That's the American perspective we in here fear the most :)

>>78587494
>even though they promosed not to
Literally never happened, and nations join nato willingly through their own choice, they join russia through being invaded.

>>78588875
Vladiskov, your "arguments" refute themselves and arent worthy of anything but ridicule.

>>78595081
Пoчeмy? B чeм cмыcл диcкyccии, ecли избeгaть тeх, чьe мнeниe pacхoдитcя c твoим. B cпope c тaкими caмый coк.

>>78596253
Lol. When last time did a nation make an independent decision. A nation is not a person. It can't make decisions. People who get more or less candy bars for making the right decision usually get to make the decisions.

>>78593256
If you look at the American debt, you realize the US economy is nothing, but a bloated balloon ready to burst. The end of the petrodollar system is nigh.

>>78590407
Yeah 2 to 3 times as many people. What are you gonna do with that half of the population morbidly obese? Are you gonna put them on a hill to roll them ruskies over if there is a war?

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It's true, Russians can't afford heating now either.

>>78596512
And even if there isn't a war. The cost for maintaining that fatness will grow to a substantial portion of GDP. So even though more money rotatens around in the banking system, more and more percent of those rotating moneys will be caused by the fatness epidemic which leaves less percent over for everything else.

>>78596580
Lol, they own the largest gas reserves in the world and heat their houses with gas. They are easily self sufficient extremely many times over.

>>78594691
>constant threat of nuclear war. We don't have that anymore.
You are an idiot if you belive this. What do you think the missile defense system the US wants to set up in Poland and Romania is about? Because I can tell you, it's not about what they say, the Iranian threat. Nobody believes that bullshit, it's not that hard to see through such a blatant lie. If one party has a defense system against nuclear ballistic missiles and the other doesn't, that practically means the one who doesn't have it can be destroyed without any means of retaliation, so it either has to surrender unconditionally or face total destruction. Putin knows this and he chose a third option: assimetrical response. Russia doesn't have the money to develop a missile defense system of its own, but doesn't necessarily needs to as there are wys to circumvent a missile defense system which are coincidentally cheaper than developing a missile defense system, so he chose to spend Russia's money on that. He says it was complete success.
So these missile defense systems are going to be operational by 2018, at least that's what they say. And Putin already says they will be totally useless. If that is true, the US has just thrown out a gigantic sack of money right into the garbage.

>>78596674
>they own
putin and co maybe. we people of russia don't own any gas

>>78594472
>One of the reasons for Russia to activate shit in Eastern Ukraine and annex Crymea is the fact that new ukrainian government could let NATO-forces too close for comfort to russian borders and Moscow and take russian fleet out of Sevastopol
The takeover of Crimea was done using 19th century pirate-style tactics. If Putin thought he needed that clay for security reasons (which is silly since we had no intention of incorporating Ukraine into NATO or putting bases there, but I'll leave that go), it should have been discussed with an international arbitration committee. By doing what he did, he didn't improve Russia's security, he just increased the Butthurt Belt's demands for more weapons and US bases to ward off potential Russian aggression.

>>78596765
if i was polish or a balt i would have loved and admired the US more than my own country. america is literally the only thing that prevents russia from annexing them.

>>78596826
>america is literally the only thing that prevents russia from annexing them.
I refuse to believe that Russian posters on 4chan are so dumb. Stop licking American ass.

How do you imagine things like this happening? It's literally impossible to annex the entire country and Russia had and doesn't has any reasons to do so.

>>78596730
Well what is different compared to the united states? How many in the United States own the gas and oil that their corporations pump up? The USA and Russia are both very oligaric in these aspects and I am sure you can find many on the bottom in the United States who have trouble paying their electricity or gas bills.

Okay at least the poor americans have some extra insulation from that diet to protect when they start freezing, LOL.

>>78596904
>Okay at least the poor americans have some extra insulation from that diet to protect when they start freezing
Nobody freezes down here in Florida. Maybe spontaneously combust.

>>78596704
It is because many people work in defence. Lots of money and jobs would be lost for those people if defence spending was reduced.

>>78586355
>кpeмлeбoты
Tyт ты и cпaлилcя cвинopылый.

>>78596704
>Russia doesn't have the money to develop a missile defense system of its own, but doesn't necessarily needs to as there are wys to circumvent a missile defense system which are coincidentally cheaper than developing a missile defense system, so he chose to spend Russia's money on that. He says it was complete success.
>So these missile defense systems are going to be operational by 2018, at least that's what they say. And Putin already says they will be totally useless
And Khrushchev said he would bury the US by 1980. Your point?

>>78596887
putin has more than enough resources, you don't, but no one will ever ask you, you will just be used as cannon fodder if putin would've wanted to. baltic states are tiny, it's easy as hell to annex them, not to mention they have a noticable russia population. and then, after the baltic states are done poland will be destroyer from all sides (don't forget about kaliningrad and belarus that is basically russia). russia troops would be marching through warsaw in a couple of weeks.
of course this sounds unrealistic now since there are american troops and military tech in poland so russia won't even dare to bark at them

>>78597001
Plus, I mean, the Baltic states are NATO members now (though only for defensive purposes and we don't have bases there) so Russia cannot attack them without provoking war with the rest of NATO.

>>78596972
The US is getting slowly buried. In a fatness and passitivity epidemic. Probably not Kruschevs fault. Human lazyness, addiction to entertainment and greed fucked you up.

>>78596904
the difference is how much we ordinary people pay for that gas considering the huge difference between average income here and the US. and the prices are constantly raising here as well. putin and co can do whatever they want in this regard and if someone tries to protest we know what will happen, no results will be achieved. in america you can actually fight for your rights

>>78597026
Personally I'm skeptical that Russia in this day and age could easily overrun the Baltic states or Poland. They don't have the resources or infrastructure for a sustained military campaign outside their own borders anymore, even a few bombing runs in Syria were taxing them to the limit.

>>78596963
kremlinbots, putinshills, kremlinshills abd etc are being used her all the time, in almost any russia-related threads so it's no surprise he knows that word

>>78597068
How cute, because that's exactly what they said in the 1950s. We couldn't beat the disciplined communist supermen because we were lazy and just wanted to go to baseball games and drive an Oldsmobile 88 convertible.

>>78597026
exactly. i don't know why did you have to point that out specifically since it's quite obvious

>>78597001
Even if there were no American troops, you cannot annex entire country because of international law. It's not like annexing Crimea or launching a campaign in Georgia, it will lead to a TOTAL international isolation of the agressor country.

>>78597068
>In a fatness
memes. america has more morbidly obese people but an amount of all overweight people is probably only slightly different from russia percentage-wise

this guy above that rambles about "kremlinbots" is a pretty annoying troll

pls, don't judge us all by his ramblings

pycня в cтoйлo

>>78597152
do you realise that we (there are at least two of us btw) can say the same about you putinshill?
also trust me guys we are not all kremlinshills and brainwashed vatniks

>>78597071
You can't really fight for your rights if you are too fat to get out of your own house. You also probably don't care about your rights but when that next burger is gonna go down into your belly and when that next "reality show" starts.

>>78597186
Calling each other "bots" or "shills" is a meme itself

>>78597143
no, it's not much different. and you think this way only because they are a part of nato now, without nato "baltic states are not a thing"

>>78597192
i won't even finish reading your post
>le fatty ;¢]]]
i hope you just joking and not an actual retard

>>78597084
Russia is also short on military-aged men because of the collapse of birthrates in the 90s.

>>78597211
>and you think this way only because they are a part of nato now
No I don't think this way because of it. Stop repeating the same shit over and over like an underage, I already explained you that there IS difference.

>>78597253
>military-aged men
no one ever wanted to fight for this shithole. and if it wasn't for this most people would have surrendered. today in case of war with america most young guys here would just try to escape the frontline and start begging america to give them asylum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_troops#Barrier_troops_in_the_Red_Army

le fight for motherland is a huge meme

>>78597281
you did not explain anything. you just bark the exact same shit about world isolation and your irrelevant opinions. you did not back anything up and without it your opinion worth nothing

>>78597112
And yet you are fatter and lazier than ever. Maybe richer on paper, but more and more of that money will be spend on dealing with the fatness epidemic and inefficiencies due to it.

>>78597235
You would not be so annoyed if you were a real russian. ;)

>>78597342
Getting out of Russia is easy. Just go to the Swedish embassy in Moscow, claim you're gay, and instant asylum.

>>78596887
>It's literally impossible to annex the entire country and Russia had and doesn't has any reasons to do so.
Like how it was "literally impossible" to annex Crimea, right?

Russia's nature is imperialism. It would not be hard to defend this decision when balt states have huge russian minorities. If it's possible to take Crimea because "Ukraine is led by nazis" (yeah right) then I'm sure they can figure out a reason to invade balts.

>>78597423
He's 14 yo Coca Cola drinker.

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>>78597558
Here you go swedebro. See how dangerously close russia is to american bases :/

>>78597558
>Like how it was "literally impossible" to annex Crimea, right?
Crimea was just a small part of Ukraine and actually everybody expected that things might turn in that way after events in Kiev.

But, in contrary, if Russia would just invade some country without any legitimation and just destroy it... there will be WWIII at least even if this country wasn't NATO member. OR there will be full scale isolation of Russia on every level, everybody will just close their borders with this country, stop all diplomatic relationships and build dozens of military bases around it. Just like in North Korea.

>>78597558
And imagine if Russian paratroopers would invade Kiev itself in 2014, what would happen right after it?

>>78597423
>>78597566
i won't even respond seriously to your primitive bullshit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

>>78597528
i wish. if it was true half of russia would be in sweden by now

>>78597558
It is not imperialistic ensuring continued access your most important naval base in a sea. It's self preserverance. Without that naval base any foreign army could literally make landfall and walk right into Russia. It would have been imperialistic if he invaded whole countries, but that didn't happen.

>>78597558
>imperialism
not really, but you should realize since russia was denied the nato membership (yes, there was some attempt to join it) it is forced to have its own and possibly pretty tough foreign policy, it is not like it can choose to ignore conflicts on its borders and the threat of nato, when even second world at best countries like turkey begin to join nato

russia isn't going to attack baltics ofc

>>78597779
>russia isn't going to attack baltics ofc
russia claimed it will always respect ukraine's sovereignty if ukraine gives its nuclear arsenal to russia. the whole world can now see that our words worth nothing

>>78597865
Source of that claim?

>>78597749
dude, if you are so anti-putin, visit a few meetings, organizers of which didn't bother to get a permission, get detained a few times, possibly fined etc, make a pic with a blue eye like the policmen hit you and go ask for an asylum as a political activist, lol

be thankful they give it too, because it seems you think you are entitled to something only because of your views

>>78597918
>visit a few meetings, organizers of which didn't bother to get a permission
and get beaten up by cops and be thrown in a jail. no thanks. i hope i'll manage to make it in a normal way. not to western europe of course but at this point is almost any country is better than this totalitarian shithole

>>78597908
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances#Content

1. Respect Belarusian, Kazakh and Ukrainian independence and sovereignty and the existing borders.[15]

look at the state of the russian pro-western opposition - >>78597983 pussies who can only whine and dream of moving to another country. the only real opposition in russia it is communists, funny as it is, the other liberals are all like this guy

>>78598046
Yes OK might have been a breach of an agreement from when the union dissolved. But giving up the Sevastopol naval base in 2017 as by some old contract without attempting anything would likely be viewed as close to treason back home in Russia. That would likely be far more dangerous for world politics.

>>78586648
Portugal has never been Communist, it was fascist for a large part of the 20th century

>>78597717
Yet you are 14 yo Coca Cola drinker with soft brain.

>>78597068
Not to mention it seems like they are on a brink of civil war at the moment.

>>78598213
none of that. seriously, you are so dumb and primitive that i could just link to that post again

>>78598164
desu it was forced on russia who was too weak at that time to demand crimea which was ukrainian only administratively. not to forget that crimea in 90ss had a special status that was stripped from it by ukraine. btw i recall i saw an old game from 90ss where you played sea battle (you know that a1, c4, you hit my ship stuff) to get crimea from ukraine, lol

>>78598214
Nah, not so sure about that. Too fat to run around with a gun these days.

>>78598326
Yes, i forgot to mention that. I assumed it kind of self explanatory. Almost like how WWI created perfect conditions for a second double blame on te "baddies".

CHILE WILL RAISE AND CONQUER THE WHOLE WESTERN WORLD

>>78591159
China will never ever replace Russia, the US will remain the strongest and most powerful nation of the 21th century, the only ones that could potentially replace Russia is a united EU but then again the relationship between these two countries would be great. China relies too much on its exports to the west, without it their economy would go down the shitter. At least the Soviet Union managed to be largely independent from western economics

>>78591159
China and USA are major commercial partners: china exports a lot, and it buys a lot of US bonds, the two countries depend on each other.
During the cold war SU and USA didn't have any major economic relations.

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>>78586307