What the fuck is going on in America? You can't erase history,

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>>78573481
stop bringing it up, it hurts too much

>>78573481
its not americans doing it, they're commies

>>78573481
Man, if this is what first world constitutes, I'd rather remain in this policitally clusterfucked third world country.

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>>78573610
>>78573636

Do something. How long before they start burn churches and libraries?

>>78573481
>tou can't erase history
So there should be hitler statues in germany?

>>78573481
The great pyramids of Giza are symbols of slavery as well. When will they start tearing those down?

>>78573721
are you really going to try and make that comparison?

>>78573481
ffs america, after WW2 we didn't demolice statues of Bismark or destroy WW1 monuments.
Thats just IS level history erasing

>>78573481
Aw hell naw. Those Calicommies have invaded and ruined my state for the last time!

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>>78573726
How fuck know, they may even do it...

>>78573754
Well the confederate generals owned slaves and probably killed niggers

>>78573721
Hitler didn't actually improve his country in the long term.
Condemning great statesmen just because they owned slaves isn't the same as condemning the dictator who massacred your people because of a conspiracy theory and escalated populism.

>>78573818
>owning slaves in the 19th century puts you in the same category as Hitler
...you're baiting, right?

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>>78573721
There are more movies about him, made from your (((people))) than remaining monuments.
How a piece of stone can harm you? Is just history...

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>>78573863
No

>>78573897
literal chimp-people
should be caged and shipped off to zoos

>>78573897
Jesus fucking degenerates is that even legal?

>>78573481
You can take down monuments without wanting to erase history dumb-dumb. Imagine getting upset if the germans decided to take down their huge monuments of Hitler.

>>78573721
>So there should be hitler statues in germany?

Yes

Ok redpill me on this, I have no idea what is going on.

Why do Americans remove statues of civil war generals now? I thought they were all crazy about that war.

>>78573481
Times change. Get over it, fag.

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>>78574025
because DRUMPFFFFF

>>78574045
>we own this cunttree nao

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>>78573970
IDK, i have no idea of what is going on in America.
Some nigger torched Abraham Lincoln statue face.

>>78574045
le current year xD

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>>78574068
wrong pic.
I mean, we ended slavery in US. Why someone will do that?

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You can erase history.

Pic related, the cathedral in my city.

>>78574025
america is turning into weimar republic with alt right and alt left going at against each others

>>78574067
>>78574104
Indeed

>>78574045
>"Times change. Get over it, fag."

Can't you use this to justify anything though?

>>78574126
Who did that? Why?

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>>78574126

>>78573897
Look at these brutes cheer as a literal rock falls.

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>>78574174

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The age of (white) man, is over.

>>78574173
l*therans probably. l*therans are like isis of christoanity

>>78573721
maybe one in a museum somewhere

pretending he didn't exist is a bit strange in itself

>>78574174
>>78574234
30 years war?

>>78574163
And?

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>Americans getting their just deserts
Very good. Hope all monuments are destroyed.

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>>78574173
Just removing c*tholic imagery

>>78574277
It was an 80 year war for us. But this was just before it I think.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beeldenstorm

>>78574235
they wouldn't even know who this person was if they weren't actively going out of their way to find things to be offended about

>>78573897
Honestly when I heard they were removing statues I thought they were putting them away in storage somewhere, not tearing them down and desecrating them like this. These people are absolutely euphoric animals. Why do they even care so much? It was such a long time ago and has nothing to do with anyone alive today.

These people are cultural revolution tier.

>>78574297
Im Still waiting for the Quebecbois to secede. That way you get cool statues too :D

>>78573721
No but I would be completely fine with Rommel/Rudolf Schmidt statues.

>>78573481
When are thy going to target the slave-owner founding fathers?

>>78574379
I'm okay with this

>>78574025
US might be on the edge of race war since Trump elected. they must do something to prevent it from happening.

>>78574412
Al Sharpton already talked about defunding the Jefferson Memorial.

Based antifa and blm doing what must be done

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>>78574299
>>78574336

WTF, i learn about the violent reformation of church in England, but i had no idea that it had same results in continental europe.

>>78574362
Destroying art is utterly savage. Even from a third world country like Brazil.

>>78574412
I already read about a bunch of faggots wanting to blast mount rushmore.

>>78574412
They're already trying to get rid of the founding fathers on our currency and Mt. Rushmore.

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>>78573897
>destroying classical pieces of art

>>78573481
>removing a statue is removing history
"no."

>>78574412
they're probably going to go after Thomas Jefferson pretty soon.

Civil War monuments weren't erected to honor anyone. If they did they would've been built during the reconstruction.
Almost everyone of those stupid statues went up during between Jim Crow - Civil Rights years just to "keep uppity niggers in their place".

Anyone defending the statues is either an unironic racist or a mouth breathing retard.
Zero exceptions.

>>78574504
"yes"
fuck off Mao

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>>78574504
Its always start like this.

>>78574454
What kind of statues do you 日本人 have over there?

>>78573897
ISIS tier.

>>78574483
There is nothing wrong with destroying monuments or statues.
Monuments must represent the people.

Since niggers run America now it makes sense for slaveowners statues to be destroyed and for monuments of Blacks to be put up. If Whites are in power in America then they can put up their own monuments once more.

It all makes sense.

>>78574025
80% of americans couldn't give a fuck about those statues or the civil war
10% are communists who want a cultural revolution China style
10% Are "da south shall rise again" folk who are offended because they want the US to start enslaving minorities again.

The media blows this shit up way out of proportions and the average american hates both of these groups. Its a fucking statue everybody calm the fuck down.

>>78574545
>Civil War monuments weren't erected to honor anyone. If they did they would've been built during the reconstruction.
what the fuck kind of conclusion is this?
>just to "keep uppity niggers in their place".
source?
>Anyone defending the statues is either an unironic racist or a mouth breathing retard.
>Zero exceptions.
cool Facebook comment

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>>78573897
What in the goddamn fuck

>>78574468
>>78574483
>>78574488
>>78574528
Sheeeeeeeeeeeiiit

>>78574126
Henry VIII destroyed a lot of nice religious art and buildings, a shame really.

>>78573481
>muh chinese culture is destroyed meme
read less CIA propaganda. Reactionary monuments can be destroyed. Glad this is happening. It's long overdue.

>>78574235
>father of modern gynecology
gigiddy

What do you think would happen if we petitioned them to remove the statues and street names and school names of notorious woman beater Martin Luther King?

>>78574615
USA pyramids when?

>>78574689
We have a statue of Virgin Mary in the cathedral of Mondoñedo brought from England

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>>78574695
Grow up you spotty faced teenage MONG

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>>78574695
BLIIIIIIIMPPPPPPPPPF

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>>78574609
Scary statues

>>78574350
Yeah, kind of puts the lie to "they are erasing our history", when in reality the opposite is happening and they are remembering the forgotten crimes of these men.

>>78573897
Pathetic trumptards

>>78574695
>meme
Dude, most of the Chinese temples are newer than some las Vegas casinos. They torched it down and rebuild when Mao died.

How long until students start to beat teachers that teach facts, and kids start to report their parents to closest antifa headquarters?

>>78573481
Nobody is erasing history. Moving the statue to a cemetery or something is not erasing history. Better yet though if you want history you could try reading a fucking book. Trust me, history is better in books than on statues. You retards might actually learn something too.

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>>78574727
This alabaster statue made in England in 1350 survived because it went to the continent, it was recently brought back to England.

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>>78574644
> Statues going up during peak lynchings? I-its coincidence!
I see you fall under retard.

>>78574695
>let's destroy my own race history because it hurts black and antifa feelings
???

>>78573481
Seems reasonable to take down statues of traitors.

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Art must glorify the nation, their leaders and values.

What monuments can be put up to signify 21st century America? An obese man in a scooter? A scene from BLACKED?

>>78574847
These were the 50th and 100th anniversaries of the war you fucking retard

Jesus christ you American lefties are the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet.

>>78574579
>>78574597
Kill yoursleves, niggers. They're fucking gawdy monuments to ego and human folly. The actual history which matters is science and literature, which they can't destroy and I can safely bet you don't really give a shit about that.

Get over your pathetic materialistic woes.

>>78574745
This is our country, brainlet. We can decide if we are going to honor the leaders of the slaver's rebellion or not, and we won't. We are going to tear down these statues and replace them with monuments to the emancipation, to remember our long war against slavery and its legacy.

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Foreigners are often offended by the art on the golden chariot of the Dutch King.

>>78573756
the commies destroyed loads of monuments

>>78574907
A pregnant woman (black obviously) whose kid will never know its Dad.
>>78574483

They could move all those monuments to a Confederate theme park, more or less like Hungarians did after '89.

We could do the same with Fascist monuments and memorials, but many people still believe that Franco did nothing wrong.

>>78574847
How do you sort of people even breathe?

>>78574907
A heroic hooded man sucker punching a fucking Nazi of course.

>>78573481
Confederacy was one of the evilest regimes in human history, on par with nazis desu. Removing statues celebrating their monstrous ideology and cause is morally good thing.

>>78574844
It's pretty nice

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>>78574952
Zoomed in

>>78574910
Ah yes of course.
If we see the graph of Hitler statues in Germany we'd see a huge spike around 1995 as well!

>>78574847
Other things happens in those years. In early 1900, America cease being a simple farm, and start to walk a path to become a world power. This is the reason why so many statues have being erected in that time.

>>78574939
History can't be sold, so it's materialistic.

>>78574947
>our country
Well the destruction of statues does not represent "our" decision does it?

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>>78574405
>no rommel statues

>>78574814
So what? Culture doesn't live in a museum. Culture is constantly being replaced and recycled.

>>78574847
>>78575006
you're a bona fide moron.

>>78575000
Being alabaster the faces are very worn with all the touching no doubt, and the colour's mostly gone but still looks nice.

>>78574814
Hopefully soon

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>>78574789
>>78574695
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>>78574068
>>78573897
>>78573799
>>78573481
Can someone tell me about Chinese cultural revolution

>>78574640
These faggots merely want a soapbox to preach from. This insufferable hue /pol/tard has been crying about the fall of western civilisation in threads for a while now. None of them really give a shit about these things, like your ideology driven cretin. They just want to complain about and have others agree with them; the want an echo chamber.

the same people crying about this are the ones that think ethnic studies classes should be banned

>>78574974
I was thinking a star of david in every capital of America

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>>78574939
Quit being a phllistine you autistic fedora fuck. Statues are aesthetically pleasant.

>>78573897
top kek

dixiecucks BTFO

>>78575032
It seems like a ubiquitous decision of our communities to remove all of them. The counter-protests outnumber the protests 10 to 1. So yes, it does. Welcome to Democracy. You're on the losing side of it.

>>78575068
Mao Zedong came to power, started destroying statues that he didn't like, burned books, ordered kids to attack their teachers and to destroy their schools then took them out of school and put them into labor camps, killed people that could read, only wanted dumb farmers, hated the upper class and basically made almost the entire 1950s generation complete assholes.

>>78575006
How the fuck is the whole Hitler and nazi regime thing even similar to the confederacy ? Are you retarded ?

>>78574985
Through my nose.
You should learn how to do it sometime, cousin fucking retard.

>>78575020
What does us becoming an industrialized nation have to do with monuments to the Confederacy you fucking monkey?

>>78575051
> no arguments
wew

>>78574814
>How long until students start to beat teachers that teach facts, and kids start to report their parents to closest antifa headquarters?

Nazis are lucky to get such gracious treatment.

>>78573481
You aren't erasing history by removing movements that revere the institution of slavery. Rather, you are recognizing that this institution must not be celebrated. Certainly not through state funds, with which all of these statues were built and maintained.

Slavery and the Civil War must be commemorated through museums and other educational enterprises. Not through statues that mourn the death of a slaveholders' rebellion.

>>78575068
Mao wage a war against 4 things he did not liked in the Chinese people, and use young people as soldiers.
After fomenting his power, the next thing he did was send those same young students to live in the country side and eat shit to survive.

>>78575091
>Statues are aesthetically pleasant.
Grow up you fucking manchild. They're cringeworthy at best and are merely propaganda pieces to distract the pleb majority.

Fuck off back to /pol/, fucking normalscum.

>>78575122
>our communities
you mean university towns aka pockets of northern transplants living in the South? You're in our states, you're not the majority, you're a loud bunch of mouth-breathing cretins who are trying to virtue signal about the flavor of the month media outrage which nobody gave a fuck about a month ago.

>>78575091
not statues that glorify degenerate behavior like slavery, genocide, and oppression. i know how white-worshipping you latrine-americans are so don't even bother trying to convince me that we should continue appeasing butthurt confederate babies

>>78575202
>What does us becoming an industrialized nation have to do with monuments to the Confederacy you fucking monkey?
They cost money. Taxes are collected based on the wealth of the nation.

>>78575160
Don't forget the part where they destroy ancient Chinese temples, statues, and literature work.

>>78575227
how do modern chinese see mao?

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>when you're not sure if people are being sarcastic

>>78573721
Yes

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>>78575227
That's fucked up. Thanks for shedding some light on it I'll read up on it.

>>78575268
The only real Chinese left live in Taiwan or Hong Kong. Sadly the latter is being destroyed as well.

>>78575268
I only read about Chinese Diaspora. Don't know about people who live there and watched the end of the regime.

>>78575268
Very positively lol

>>78573754
How is it inappropriate? Hitler led a war to establish German domination over other nations and races. The Confederacy fought a war to establish the domination of white slaveowning Southerners over everybody else in the United Stares.

Historian Matt Karp's research shows that the Confederates even had transcontinental imperial ambitions, because they sought to protect or even create white-led slave societies all throughout the New World.

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>>78575344
CHINKS OUT

>>78575160
Surprise Forbidden City still intact

>>78574173
Protestant scum

>>78575344
Nobody even believes this.

>>78575202
You were already told that the statues were erected on thr 50th and 100th anniversaries of the war and you're resorting to le cousin fucking memes because of it. You have no arguments, get lost.

>>78575403
There are a billion things still intact because China is a giant country that's been sitting in the same place its been since language was invented.

>>78575251
What? I doubt most people in America can recognize the men in those statues let alone their historical contributions. This is a petty act.

>>78575268
mixed feelings but on the positive side

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>people who used to be slaves are now tearing down monuments in america and other Americans are supporting them

I'm not even surprised with the stuff america comes up with anymore. It's like a present surprise every single week since its inception.

>>78575387
>over everybody else in the United States
The wargoal of the CSA in the war was Southern independence, not conquest of the rest of the US. You are so retarded it is literally unbelievable, where do you people even come here from?

>>78575068
Although the proletariat had ousted the feudal oppressors, the revolution was not complete. China was still plagued by the Four Olds, so Mao asked the youngest generation, the future of the country, to work on destroying decadence in Chinese society. There were some excesses, obviously, which imperialists and feudalists blame on "leftism".

>>78575433
Why are we erecting statues that praise the losers? We need to replace these fallen statues with monuments that glorify Union superiority and Union values.

>>78575426
Mate, a Chinese guy told me that to see what ancient/Tang dynasty China looked like Chinese people literally have to go to Japan because they fucked over every last piece of heritage they had

>>78575486
Pleasant *

>>78573721
You don't bulldoze Auschwitz, do you? No, you want to keep it there as a reminder.

How is destroying statues celebrating racism and oppression in any way comparable to cultural revolution?

>>78575426
Because our government normalized relation with PRC, and stopped teaching people what those communist vermin did.

>>78575250
You had to fly people from all over the country to make some chump protest in Charlottesville, and right away everyone recognized they fucking hated you and went against everything you stood for. Take that
to heart.

USA went full third world communist dictatorship mode

seriously what the fuck is going on there?

Is there any white culture/people worth saving there?

Most people want to get rid of the shame they've done, and perhaps the reason they demolish the statue is that they also want to forget the shame. But do not worry, friend. All embarrassing stories in the past are written in school history books.

>>78573726
Pyramids are architectural wonders with extreme technical, cultural, and historical value to human society. A statue of some Confederate officer built in 1950 doesn't have that.

But they actually aren't symbols of slavery. All research suggests that paid laborers build the pyramids.

>>78575569
Let them all die, this is the future they chose.

>>78575268
The way I understand it, propaganda still paints him in a positive light but stuff like the cultural revolution has to be acknowledged to certain extent, so it's not "god-like chariman mao who never did wrong" and more like "mao who united china but made some mistakes".

>>78575329
Have you noticed that china never create nothing new, only copy stuff already made? That is Mao's fault. He brainwashed his people in only thinking as a collective. Not as an entrepreneur.
China is now, finally getting a competitive new generation that can think by himself.
>>78575403
Well, looking at some British antique pics, and those taken in communist china, you can see a giant difference. (the mao giant portrait and everything red gives you a clue)
>>78575538
good point

My proposal is that we next outlaw the Democrat Party for having been the main political force behind institutionalized racism.

>>78575493
wasn't one of the goals of confederacy to create a slave owning empire spanning cuba and other latin american lands? sounds kinda sinister.

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>>78575387
>The Confederacy fought a war to establish the domination of white slaveowning Southerners over everybody else in the United Stares.
>I share a country with retards like this

>>78575525
maybe that's because there were several major dynasties in the 1000 years since the Tang. I guess Tang was the last real Chinese dynasty the Song was just a bunch of culture destroying jerks.

No white male should be celebrated.

>>78575550
>you had to
who is "you"? I'm a Virginian, people here don't support erasing our own history here, surprise surprise.

>there are people who are unironically defending statues that represent racism and slavery

get a load of this assholes

>>78575678
Richmond VA is taking down all of their statues of their own volition. So they do.

>>78575493
Independence was a last ditch effort by a ruling class who knew they had been challenged and outmatched by their industrial capitalism rivals. Most Southern policy until 1860 was to ensure Southern control over the United States. When this became impossible, they sought to separate from the state and dominate the continent through other means.

>>78575624
>Have you noticed that china never create nothing new, only copy stuff already made?
It's a phase for a developing a country.Japan,Taiwan,etc. used to be known for this type of thing.

If you're for preserving history then there should be no objections to erecting statues of slave auctions and lynchings on pedestals as well.

Best to remember all of history, not just that parts that make whites look good.

>>78575632
no, it wasn't. The Knights of the Golden Circle were an extremist sect who weren't representative of most of the CS government. It's like stereotyping every country by their most extreme nationalists.

>>78575632
Yeah it was

Confederate language, particularly the rhetoric of Alexander Stevens and Jefferson Davis, makes it clear that they rejected many foundational principles of the United States and wanted their new American government to be hegemon.

Do I think slavery was a good thing? No, I don't. Do I think Jim Crow was a good thing? No, I don't. Am I a Southerner? No.

Having said that, I'd keep the things up simply because it pisses off leftists and they don't count as real people anyway.

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>>78574483
>Black woman
>Monument to the unknown father

>>78573721
>So there should be hitler statues in germany?

Ja.

>>78574615
It's history, put it in a warehouse until people can act like adults around it.

>>78573481
Quit your bitching, these statues were put up during the Jim Crow era. They'll be put in museums or storage, they aren't being destroyed.

>>78575684
Don't act like we dont have tons of statues of conquistadors and statesmen that might be construed by these rabid leftists as racist and oppresive. Hell, our own Simon Bolivar was a slaveholder, are we gonna start taking down his statues now? Absolutely not.

>>78575783
>literally copied the US Constitution with added provisions protecting slavery
yeah, no

>>78575630
Thats is true. I got really surprised when i discover that republicans are against racism, and democrat are favorable to it. They even use the excuse "who will work the field without slaves"...

>>78575666
In their defense, take a long time to expel the Mongols from china. When they finally did it, Europe was at his door. (Funny how you never see a Chinese complaining about the opium wars)
>>78575735
Come on m8, japan quickly catch up the world and became a important country in matter of innovations.

>>78573481
You have to understand that SJWs are having a colossal chimpout because, well, not so much about Donald Trump, he's actually not what they're pissed off about. They're upset because they had unlimited, total power for 8 years and had it taken away from them. You take away a child's toy and watch him throw a temper tantrum.

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>>78574483
It was not only the statues.

>>78573481
Seriously I still can't believe this is actually happenning in the USA right now.

>>78573897
That's disgusting. Get your fucking act together, Murka.

>>78575743
If you are for that, there should be statues of the North burning whole cities for no other reason than they were butthurt they were bad at war.
Not to mention erecting statues of Indians raiding settlements and scalping people.

>>78575842
>(Funny how you never see a Chinese complaining about the opium wars)
The opium wars started what the Chinese call the hundred years of humiliation.

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>>78575829

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>lenin statue still stands in my state

>>78575834
If George Soros-funded mobs got on the loose in Colombia, they might, but you're too irrelevant of a cunt for him to care.

>>78575834
Why are new world heroes all slave owning assholes? Our heroes are morally good heroes.

>>78575006
wat

>Ukraine destroys communist statues
>No problemo

>Niggers destroy some Hick statues
>This is an outrage how dare they

>>78575892
And people said America wasn't going to fall. We are like a guy in mid air thinking if he lands on his feet the cliff jump won't kill him.

>>78575921
Colonization of the new world was all about race

>>78575433
If that were the case, then it would be a one time spike at those anniversaries instead of a gradual ramp up you toothless fucking hick.

Furthermore you don't see similar trends in Union Statues.

In any case though, erecting statues to the losing side of the civil war is retarded. Even your loser General Lee said:
> I think it wiser, moreover, not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered.

>>78575834
But those people actually fought to defend slavery. To my knowledge, there has never been a war in Latin America to defend slavery.

Besides, the slavery of amerindians was abolished in 1542.

>>78575942
Communists aren't people you dumb nigger.

>>78575887
Still, you don't see them bitching.
How many Americans descend from literal coolies bring to us to work in some environment worst than slavery? How many of them do you see yelling kill the white devil?

>>78575867
Don't you now see the massive mistake we made by electing Obama and then reelecting him? He may not be president now, but the catastrophic mess he created hasn't quite subsided. It can be seen everywhere from this to the opioid epidemic to the over-the-top extreme chimpout about Trump, who really hasn't done a single extreme or unreasonable action as president.

>>78575892
lenin didn't do anything wrong or bad

>>78575892
>>lenin statue still stands in my state

Why dont you destroy it then? What's stopping you?

>>78573721
We do have Kaiser Wilhelm II statues who was also a fairly controversial character.

>>78575842
>(Funny how you never see a Chinese complaining about the opium wars
Because you haven't left your basement and had a proper political discussion with a chinese before.Going to /pol/ and circlejerking doesn't count
>japan quickly catch up the world and became a important country in matter of innovations
Yeah they did and what's your point?Until Deng Xiaoping came to power China was a shithole.But now it has became global power and even overtook brazil economy.

>>78575995
Probably because he's not a mouth breathing SJW.

>>78575995
Because he isn't a chimp

>>78575006
>American
>Education

>>78573897
Hope that retarded bitch in the end kicking it broke her foot.

>>78575751
Wrong. The Confederacy had explicit desires of influencing the politics, and potentially seizing control, of neighboring economies. Because the Confederacy was founded upon the precept of slave-power, the existence of other forms of labor was a threat to its moral authority and economic viability.

http://personal.tcu.edu/swoodworth/May.htm

>>78575948
You're not getting the point. If these statues are to be removed, it should happen by a democratic decision of the local people in the South. The problem is that this out of state Soros flash mob is doing it.

And that's not democracy, you don't let a couple of mentally ill problem glasses feminists and Afroleninists dictate policy to you.

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Now that I think about it, why weren't confederates genocided/castrated? Why weren't they just replaced by northerners and european immigrants? The south wouldn't be such a shithole today if Southerners didn't exist.

>>78575948
No there wouldn't be, that's not a pattern ypu would see for any set of memorials erected to commemorate a certain date. You're in full damage control and I'm not reading the rest of your garbage.

>>78576049
That should make the job easier then since he could probably swing a sledgehammer with less effort to deface it

why do people think this is something new?

kings always destroyed statues of kings before them. nazi statues were destroyed after the war. commie statues were destroyed after the fall of communism. etc etc. yet now, people here act like this is the first time someone destroyed statues.

>>78575867
Why are you still surprised at this point?

Uh...you don't see people in Russia demolishing Soviet symbols even though the Soviet state represented some not-very-nice things. No, it's just a national symbol and part of their history.

>>78576061
I don't understand. Why would a chimp in particular be inclined to destroying a statue of Lenin?

>>78575981
No, there wasnt. But they we're rather indiffirent about it unless it suited them. Most countries didn't outright abolish slavery until decades after independence.

Black slavery that is.

>>78575892
There's no comparison in revolutionary hero like Lenin to some slave owning assholes.

>>78576070
That's not what he was talking about.

Unfortunately it was slavery that was the pin that broke the camel's back. The north were literally doing illegal shit and trying to expand the power of the central government. They weren't allowed to come in and demand the south outlaw their entire economy. Unfortunately, their entire economy was slaves, which was rather indefensible. If the north had flipped a shit over anything else, then the south would 100% be in the right. I doubt the effigies of every person that has been destroyed were only of people fighting for their right to subjugate and dehumanize people. A bet some, if not most of them, especially Lee, saw themselves as fighting for their homes against an evil government that wanted to take over their lives 1984-style. What I'm saying is they felt they were freedom fighters. They didn't die/send others to die saying "FUCK NIGGERS THEY AREN'T PEOPLE." If they were doing that, then yeah, you can tear the statues down I guess. But the war wasn't just about slavery.
I kinda see it like if your brother beats his wife. If you really love him, you'll try to stand up for him, even though you know you're in the wrong and he shouldn't do that shit. But you don't abandon your family and call him a monster. Maybe it's a bad analogy, but I think it's the same kind of principle.
T. Non-white northerner

>>78575885
still butthurt about Atlanta?

rofl

>>78576122
Lenin was an autistic murderer who didn't do enough to stop Stalin.

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>>78576071
It's not even being done by a victorious ruler or army, but a group of people whom the American voters massively rejected at the ballot box last November.

>>78576070
>explicit desires of influencing the politics, and potentially seizing control, of neighboring economies

Union did the same anyways. Monroe doctrine and all.

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>>78576080
Yeah same here Communist destroyed every king statue[Even founding father statue] when they overthrew king here

At the time of the civil War,
manual labors required a lot of slaves, so the South disagreed free slaves. In the north, however, slaves disagreed slavery because it is human right violations. They, north and south, had different opinions.

>>78576165
>lmao you butthurt about burning cities for no reason.
This is why America is literally the most hated country on earth.

>>78576005

Everybody is a controversial character.
I'm sure they'll erect Obama statues even though he killed tens of thousands of middle easterners and helped create a massive roving terrorist army over there.

>>78576080
>people here act like this is the first time someone destroyed statues.

That's because right wingers are butthurt that their slave owning evil heroes are attacked, they don't care about context.

>>78576165
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSEVyzKmlyU

>>78575841
Read a book nigger

>The prevailing ideas entertained by [Jefferson] and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away...Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew." Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition.

https://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~ras2777/amgov/stephens.html

>>78576234
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKjP53J6gIE

>>78576047
You have a good point. Chinese people are pretty unusual over here (except for Canadians or Australians that don't talk about politics)
Also, i don't live in a basement. I am posting from my work because shit is slow today.

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>>78576231
I honestly can't tell if it's unironic leftypol or someone making fun of them on this board sometimes

>>78575842
>>Chinese never complaining about the opium wars

Hahahahaha. Fuck, the prion disease from sopa must be catching up.

>>78576080
White males are the most fragile creatures to ever exist. Not being pampered and being reassured that they're superior 24/7, 365 days a year is equivalent to genocide.

>>78573636
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I don't know. On one hand, I understand that the Civil War was more than slavery, and this >>78573897
is pretty disturbing. On the other, having statues up of people who fought for the right to keep you as an animal is fucking bullshit as well. What exactly are the statues supposed to represent? The memory of states who went to actual war with the rest of the union? From a purely american standpoint, aren't they fucking traitors?

I understand southernes want to be proud of their culture, but why do they have to tie it so much to the confederacy?

>>78575636
You're really suggesting that the Confederacy didn't want slaveowners to be the dominate economic class in the Americas?

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>>78576290
As i said. Never meet a Chinese here bitching about it. And never find one in youtube too.

What would they replace the statues with? A monument of Stokely Carmichael? Or how about Harry Hay? We can always build a monument of him.

>>78576231
Robert E. Lee was against slavery and Virginia only seceded once the union had engaged hostilities with the Confederate states, meaning it was prepared to stay in the union had this not occurred. You don't know what you're talking about here and in the South loads of Democrats support the statues staying up because 150-year old history is not supposed to be a partisan issue.

>>78573636
Don't you consider blacks Americans?

>>78573781
>Californians are going all the way to Texass just to knock over a statue
Get over yourself, pal.

>>78576291
Why do you feel the need to defend slave owning assholes?

>>78575984
>I'm gonna be edgy because I have no moral highground but am compelled to defend 70-year old statues celebrating an autistic chimpout by syphilitic slaveowners because /pol/ told me to

The thing is: why now? Why are they allowed to do this after these statues have been up for so many years? Because some random retarded neo nazi killed someone?
Like at least have a good cassus belli
If someone like 20 years ago was a complete asshole to you and tried to ruin your life, you don't randomly go up to them 20 years later and punch them in the face with like no provocation, when you've been living next door to them for 20 years and haven't done shit

>>78576338
Chinese are drone, unable to think for themselves. FFS even Indians get somewhat angry about their occupation.

>>78576329
thepointyourhead.jpg

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>>78576351
A black handicapped trans-gender woman who smoke meth since his infancy. They are under represented in art.
Maybe some furry porn too.
Who fucking knows what leftists want?

>>78575892
That's private property. I thought free speech could never be infringed :^)

>>78576290
Answering your question though no they really don't care about those opium wars long ago.They have moved on but the japanese-sino war in the other hand.....

>>78576408
>I'm going to be a beta little bitch because I assume I have the moral high ground and compelled to get triggered over a statue of some failed rebellion because my SJW sub-reddit told me too.

>>78576360
>Robert E. Lee was against slavery

Didn't Robert E. Lee own slaves? Kinda weird being against slavery at the same time.

>>78576414
Oh I thought they had permission to tear shit down. From the city, or whatever. That's even more disturbing.

I have no sympathy for anything anti-union. The fact that those statues every were put up in the first place is ridiculous

>>78575632
There was a secret society called the KGC that advocated for that plan, but in all likelihood it was very small and its few attempts were abortive and unsupported.

>>78576179
Well yeah, the Civil War was a fight between exploitative industrial imperialists and exploitative agrarian imperialists who sought to preserve an economic order that was somewhat more authoritarian

So my proposal is that we also ban the Democrat Party, we also dig up Woodrow Wilson's corpse and burn it because he rolled back integration of the Federal government, and we also dig up and burn FDR's corpse because he built Japanese internment camps.

And of course we should also rename the hundreds of roads and public buildings in West Virginia named after Robert "Sheets" Byrd.

>>78576479
He inherited slaves from his father, He later got rid of them.

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>>78575002
I think that non-offensive (and even offensive) pieces of art made in celebration of an older regime should be put inside museums, with an explanatory document to explain why is it offensive, how was it used in propaganda, also giving an insight on how contemporary people perceived these actions.

This should be part of the UN or UNESCO treaties, Auchwitz wasn't destroyed despite the holocaust, it was left open for the whole world to see, why wouldn't we do the same for those statues.

>>78576329
I'm pretty sure for Southerners the confederacy symbolizes the priority of states' rights versus a centralized government.

>>78573481
With Obama they never did anything, so why are they doing with Trump?
So that he looks bad again?
Grow up fellow Americans.
You need to preserve the history from your country.

>>78576071
ahhh yes.... the philosophical tradition of afroleninism

>>78573897
Why do white people like to destroy history?

>>78576479
He owned a couple, and his wife's family owned thousands. but their are some letters he wrote which people use to convince others he was completely against slavery.

But it does NOT exuse the fact that he fought against the Union and was a traitor to his nation

>>78576525
In fact, we should also dig up JFK's corpse and burn it because he was a huge womanizer who used women like toys. After all, feminists wouldn't like that.

>>78576552
Most of these statues were built after the confederacy lost because they're butthurt traitors

>>78576336
Even the white South wasn't unified, poor hill country men didn't want to fight "a war for the rich man's negroes," especially after the Union started winning battles. A lot of them ended up enlisting with the Union, or at least running around and fucking shit up in their hometowns

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jones_County,_Mississippi#Free_State_of_Jones

The civil war was fought for slaveowners and slavery, it's a ridiculous thing to defend. It's a shame that southern whites became rebelcucks in reconstruction instead of celebrating the people who always knew the shit was stupid

you need to read about the history of how these statues got put up in the first place. and speaking of reading, books aren't going anywhere if you really want to learn more about racist bastards such as robert e lee et al

>>78576542
The army he led enslaved free blacks in the north. Doesn't seem like he was that much against slavery.

Here in Stockholm they want to take down the Carolus Rex statue. This history revisionism is so fucking depressing.

>>78576577
afroleninism?

>>78576610
Strange that he and no other Confederate officials were ever convicted of treason then.

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>tfw Dutch media has already started identifying "problematic" statues here as well

>>78576610
>But it does NOT excuse the fact that he fought against the Union and was a traitor to his nation

Lincoln himself didn't want vengeance exacted on the South, he hoped for a peaceful reconciliation. There were extremists in the Republican Party who wanted to raze the South from the map and hang Confederate leaders, but you always have those types in every war.

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>Americans calling ANYONE traitors

>>78576648
>The army he led enslaved free blacks in the north.
What? Maybe if they were escaped slaves in the south. There are not many counts of black people from the north and turning them into slaves.

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Also after this statue drama we'll come closer and closer to celebrating our true American national hero, so it's all good with me

>>78576687
The great iconoclastic wave of progressivism is upon us.

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>>78576650
>>78576687
Communist revolution to throw monarchy when comrades?

>>78576717
FUCK YOU, IT'S MY RIGHT TO GET TRIGGERED IF SOMEONE TRIES TO REBEL AGAINST MY REBELLION

>>78576650
Good, he was an asshole who bled the peasantry in his stupid wars. Shame that he didn't die earlier.

>>78575842
>Thats is true. I got really surprised when i discover that republicans are against racism, and democrat are favorable to it. They even use the excuse "who will work the field without slaves"

It's laughable how they support the use of illegal wetback labor paid sub-minimum wages when they claim to represent the working class/proletariat.

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>>78573481
kek look at ukraine they went full nazi

>>78576717
usa was founded by slaveowners, should works celebrating the them be destroyed next?

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>>78576712
And look at what we have now, over 150 years later there are still people who believe in their lost cause. the south should have been destroyed and the very idea of rebellion along with it.

>>78576824
Bad! Those aren't the statutes you're suppose to destroy!

>>78576824
>mfw they don't realize that Ukraine exists in the first place because Lenin doodled some arbitrary lines on a map

>>78576824
>removing Lenin statue makes you a nazi
t. Russian diaspora

>>78573481
Be quiet goyim.

>>78576824
b-but muh cultural revolution and h-history lmao

>>78576855
Okay, King George

>>78575268
In 1981, during the era of Deng Xiaoping, the government had the funny idea to compute it. The result is : Mao did 70 % right.

>>78576855
You do realize that Nazishit is completely banned in Germany but there are still Nazis (especially in the former DDR).

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Sadly, it was not a big deal at that time that a strong people and countries dominated the weak people and dominated the weak nation. In 19 century, Taft katsura agreement 1905 said that The United States accepted that Japan can dominate Korea, and Japan accepted that the United States can dominate the Philippines. Once upon a time, this was not a big deal historically. If it is now, it might be the biggest issue. That's why people try to remove racist statue right now.

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>>78576824
As much as I hate Communists, this seems a little odd at how this is all happening at once.

>>78576074
Plantation land should have been redistributed among poor whites and free blacks but reconciliation-cucks didn't let that happen.

While slavery was formally, abolished the slaveowning class got off practically scot-free, using legal loopholes and government collusion to reestablish their agrarian system of black labor. This didn't really end until left wing labor organizers pushed for better working conditions, and the big farmowners decided it was cheaper and easier to exploit people in Latin America instead.

>>78576824
>1320 statues
Someone really love Lenin...

>>78576870
>spraying swastikas on communist monuments
>totally not nazi
ok

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>>78576858
>double standards
I wish for all far left and far right ideologues to be put to the sword.

>>78576307
This, but unironically

The fury at Kaepernick or the "war on Christmas" bullshit is the best example of this

>>78576723
>Lee's troops under his command were allowed to raid settlements during major operations like the 1863 invasion of Pennsylvania to capture free blacks for enslavement.[73][74][75][76][77][78]

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>>78576943
>This didn't really end until left wing labor organizers pushed for better working conditions, and the big farmowners decided it was cheaper and easier to exploit people in Latin America instead

>>78576917
Then they're obviously not doing a good enough job at enforcing thier laws.

>>78576891
>Implying I'm wrong

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>getting rid of mass-produced statues celebrating traitors erected in the 1950's is equivalent to the Chinese destroying unique artifacts that were literally thousands of years old

>It isn't reasonable to equate Confederate statues to Hitler statues in Germany

Please, stop, I need to stretch before doing gymnastics

>>78576960
Oy vey it's practically a shoah over there huh

>>78576219
>for no reason
Jesus Christ the right is braindead

You probably think Britain bombed Germany's industrial centers just because they hated Aryans or something

>>78577013
Banning symbols won't get rid of the idea. There was a Russian (?) parable about how when a bird gets out of his cage and flies away, you can't catch him.

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>>78576960
They also can be buddhist/hindu you know

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>>78573897
the absolute state of this country lmao

nuclear holocaust can't come soon enough

>>78577040
Is that octopus suppose to represent a Jew?

>>78573481
You guys are being hyperbole.

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>Be Icelandic
>Every party is in some way ethno-nationalistic
>Except for maybe the far-left quasi-communist faggots
>Therefore its basically impossible for nazi/racist hate groups to take ground here
>mfw rest of the world right now

>>78573481
The paradox is that the Good Ol' Boys who put up those statues in the 1960s literally were trying to erase history, you know, the one where they lost their little insurgency and the North forced them to start treating black people remotely like humans

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I agree that history can't be erased, and commemoration is different from glorification.

Having monuments commemorating the war, and the lives lost, as well as the individuals involved is totally OK.

But having these statues of Traitors to the country, standing proud and tall, looking to the horizon, on horses, in a very imposing way, is not commemoration but glorification. These statues look the identical to statues of Washington or the founding fathers.

It would be like a German city with a big ass Hitler statue, standing proud and tall.

Have a plaque or an obelisk or something to commemorate the war, not this.

>>78576941
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decommunization_in_Ukraine
>In 2016 51,493 streets and 987 cities and villages were renamed 1,320 Lenin monuments and 1,069 monuments to other communist figures removed
I like how they put so much effort into reasing their hown history

>>78573897
They're like fucking niggers.

>>78573897
Now there's any difference between these fuckers and sandniggers from ISIS destroying ancient statues and buildings?

>>78577119
>and the North forced them to start treating black people remotely like humans
You do know that blacks in Northern states had little more in the way of equality than the South. Most people in the US in 1865 didn't care about slavery, they wanted to prevent the South from seceding.

>>78573897
>it's wrong to tear down historical statues!
>>78576824
>lol unless it's something I don't like

You cunts are fucking hypocrites

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>>78577090
No, a Jap

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>>78577090
Pretty sure it's a jap. America really capitalize over the stereotype of the Japaneses...
>>78577139
>glorification
Come on... They did fight the civil war with honor. As far as i read, general lee never lost a single battle.

>>78577174
Do you think one group has a monopoly on destroying statutes or something? It's a pretty common thing in history...