What is the relationship like between these two countries?

brown
conservative

they probably like each other

>>78520650
They argue about whose ham is better.
>>78520681
They are white, just like you.

>>78520681
Do you only lurk /int/ just to shitpost in threads about Iberia?

It's like we don't exist for each other.

>>78520681
>spain is a conservative country
lmao how clueless can you be

We have an ignore/love attitude to them, historically we were yandere to them. They are tsundere to us.

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>>78520708
Tunisians are not white

>>78520732
yes

>>78520732
He's mad because he will never be a real Berber aka Iberian.

They are portubros, we love them and personally I wish the best for them

>>78520745
>>78520748
Do you get a lot of Portuguese immigrants/tourists and vice versa? I know there was a few protests against tourists in Spain, would that also apply to the Portuguese?

>>78520747
south euros are typically more conservative than the rest of europe

>>78520814
Not a lot of Tugas here, but I wouldn't even consider them foreigners.

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I understand Portugal is to Spain what Belgium is to the Netherlands

>>78520858
Whose ham is better btw? Is there an appreciable difference between your guys' ham or is it all just pedantic fake news?

>>78520814
>immigrants/tourists and vice versa?
No, maybe France.

>>78520814

No, I don't think I've ever met a Portuguese. We don't consider them foreigners either, those retards complaining focus on Brits/Germans/French.

Bros with right to banter

>>78520890
>No, maybe France.
What do you mean? French tourists in Spain, or Portuguese tourists in France?

>>78520858
Do you have a similar relationship with the French?

>>78520917
>those retards complaining focus on Brits/Germans/French.
What's wrong with the British/Germans/French that isn't so with the Portuguese? Is it a language thing?

>>78520973

It's because they look white, probably.

>>78520945
Portuguese people tend to migrate to France..(I think so)

>>78520973
>What's wrong with the British/Germans/French
Arrogants and piece of shieeeeeeeeeeet, especially the last two

>>78521048
Yeah and to Luxembourg

>>78520889
Dunno, I'm a big consumer of ham but you can't really find presunto or prosciutto here to compare.

>>78520973
Ask Catalans, they're weird. Young Brit and German tourists are stereotyped to be chavs and generally low class tho. No one really mind pensioneers.

>>78520945
We lovehate France and they ignore us. Just like we do with Portugal.

>>78521079

French are arrogant, they expect you to learn French just because they are visiting your country on the regular, specially the French-Arabs. But the Germans tend to be pretty chill.

>>78520889
Best one is Iberico ham, prosciutto only compares to serrano ham

>>78521149
Are you in the far North? We don't get many Frogs here but they're usually pretty down to earth guys despite the stereotype. Germans are a lot worse.

>>78520890
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>>78521231

What do you guys think about people from the other side of Europe? (Latvia, Estonia, Slovenia, Serbia, Greece etc.)

>>78521256

>Latvia, Estonia, Slovenia, Serbia

I don't think anything of them, people who do not know much about them might be suspicious due to other Eastern countries immigrants causing trouble, mainly Romania/Poland.

>Greece

Cool, Med bros.

>>78521256
What do you mean? What Spaniards in general think about them? Nothing.
I've been to some of those countries and liked them so I have a positive opinion.

>>78521231

Tarragona, they are literally the largest tourist ethnicity that I see here, alongside Brits, Germans and then Russians.

>>78521149
And Spaniards expect everybody in northern Catalunya to speak fluent spanish.

>>78521336
>Greece
>Cool, Med bros.
Is this just memeing or is it an actual prevalent mentality in Spain? I would have thought Spain had more of a connection with France than Greece,

>>78521405
I've heard that many Spaniards from the older generation are somewhat resentful towards the French, for not helping during the civil war.

Which would be totally justified.

>>78520814

If there's one people that can consider themselves like at home when in here that's portus.

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>>78521395
>northern Catalunya

>Spanish people expect Spanish to be talked inside of Spain


Well, no shit genius.

>>78521405
He's memeing, we don't think about Greece at all. We really like Italy and are a bit tsundere towards France but since they're bigger and a lot more relevant they kinda like/ignore us. And rightly so, that's what we do with Portugal.

>>78521472
Not really, and many older people speak some French, it was the main foreign language in school.

>>78521405

Not sure if others share it, I certainly do. Italians/Greeks are Medbros. I have a certain difficulty liking French people, which I believe it's share by some Spaniards.

>>78521488
I mean the french part of Catalunya, we call it northern Catalunya here.

Spain and Portugal have a cordial relationship, but not a fraternal one. Only in the Galician-Portuguese border one sees a tighter bond between the two adjacent countries. The further south one goes in either country, the more different and distant both countries get.

>>78521256
Majority of Spaniards don't know or care about any of those countries.

>>78521366

>Tarragona

Because you get the worst kind of them, like in all those med resorts.

All the french I met were top guys.

>>78521494
Well if it's of any consolation when I think about Europe Spain and Portugal usually come to mind.

>>78521472
My mom speak François and some old people too, It was the main foreign language in 60s,50s,40s and 70s in Spain

>>78521532
I wonder if it's the same for other European countires (e.g. Sweden having a strong relationship with Poland or Lithuania across the Baltic sea.)

nice, cordial, distant, almost bordering on indifference which is weird, but not so surprising seeing as the border areas are very sparsely populated, with the exception of Galicia border.

>>78521551

I have no idea how other Spaniards behave abroad, I always speak English whenever I go.

>>78521532
You only like Greece because you fell for the mediterranean meme, which doesn't really mean anything. I mean it's not that I DON'T like them or something but we share literally nothing.

>>78521590
that's wrong though, since we don't see ourselves as core European.

>>78521578

I've only met one nice French, and that's a French girl I met on a camping in Salou. His father gave me the dead-eye.

>>78521647
Would you say you have a stronger relationship with Spain than you do with other European countries?

>>78521681
What do you see yourself as?

>>78521675
Olive oil

>>78521675

You don't know me enough, to tell me why I like things, faggot.

>>78521695
yes, no doubt.
But it's because we have literally no relations with others though, we have some diaspora in France, Switzerland and Luxembourg, but even the emmigrants don't really integrate, they just form their own gettos(safe ones though, not much criminality), and return as soon as they can to spend summer vacations.

>>78521755
Do people in Portugal know about your military alliance with the UK?

>>78521637
We share way more connections than they do, especially Spain, Italy and France. I don't know how the two others react to Portugal, but we have a lot of people with Portuguese ancestry, with Spain and Italy being next and then Poland.

However we don't feel as close to our cousins as Spain feels close to Italy. At least that's the impression we have here.

Lots of Portuguese hate the Spanish because they were memed into it in elementary school. The Spanish likely don't care about us at all.

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>>78521608
My bad then, I guess I was wrong.

>>78521798
some do, most don't

>>78520849
Sorry I don't speak memes.

>>78520849
We're the Sweden of the south

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>>78521884

That's not a meme, we have a lot of fascist and people who love Franco compared to other countries in the EU, it's just that the political parties and the youth does not reflect that.
Be thankful Podemos didn't win, the least this country needs is literal commies running the joint.

>>78521802
I'd assume it's because you border countries like Germany and the Netherlands while Iberia is really tucked in their little corner of Europe.

>>78521959

No we are not, where the fuck do you guys live? I've never met a Spaniard that had any issues disliking Muslims/Blacks/Latinos in public, even gay people.

>>78521960
Is there a strong pan-European ideal in Spain? I know your country is sort of a conglomerate of regions with it's own internal issues by would you say the average Spaniard is more isolationist (nationalist) or pro-European (not to be confused with pro-EU)

>>78521974
True, as a native French speaker I can understand a fair amount of written Italian and Spanish but not as much as they can understand each other and better than they can understand French. French grammar actually has many germanic influences while its vocabulary remained mostly latin.

Also history treated us differently. We've been at war countless times for many different reasons.

>>78521980
Madrid

>>78521980
I smell bullshit. I was literally slapped and calling a machista for telling a female coworker
>Now that's cleaning like a grow up woman
We had a conversation about me being a manchild unable to take care of its own place a few minutes ago so context made it clear that I was speaking about her being an adult not a woman.

>>78522116
>calling
called*

>>78522043

Having a strong country when your people are divided is difficult. I know Castillians and Andalusians are very patriotic and proud of Spain. Catalans and Vasques, not so much. Whether or not we consider Europeans, I am not so sure. I don't even think the thought comes up much in most Spaniards.


I am certainly not fond of it, I sincerely hope the European Union to cease and for a more militaristic and conservative political force to make a come back in Spain. We need less free gibs, less taxes, less regulations and to update our military. Run things by ourselves without depending on Mommy Merkel.

>>78522116
>>78522064

Liberalism is a disease, I feel Spain is just in the beginning stages of adopting these ideals and will not even begin to see the disease it brings to a nation in some decades. I read on the news the other day, a woman is now able to accuse of sexual assault and you'll get jailed regardless of proof, just because she said so.
It's a mental illness gestated by weak minded people who need others to take care of them.

>>78522175
Yeah, having a strong military in a country with a history of coup d'etats and political inestability is certainly a pretty great idea.

>>78522214
>in the beginning stages
Pero tú dónde coño has estado los últimos diez años?

>>78522215

The military unifies people, gives them a common cause to fight for and a place to belong. Nowhere else but in the Army will you see Spaniards from all regions being brothers. Plus, we cannot depend on others for help in times of need, Spain needs to be a force of it's own.

>>78522240

In London, I came back a year ago.

>>78522254
But realistically, who would the Spanish be fighting? Outside of some kind of EU military alliance or a NATO operation there's really no enemy to face in this day and age.

>>78522254
Sure, I just don't want them to be strong if they suddenly decide that forcing another military dictatorship onto us could be a pretty cool cause for them to follow like brothers.

>>78522344

Don't be a drama queen.

>>78522305

A military is not just there to attack, it's also there to defend Spain's interests. Plus, money spent on military technology research tends to pay off. You never know what might happen in the future, it's better to always be prepared and independent.

>>78522344
>forcing another military dictatorship onto us could be a pretty cool

That would probably be one of the best things that could happen, no more perroflautas y ocupas. No more Hippies and being unable to kick immigrants that invade your house, because they are protected by the law.

>>78522175
Castillians are pretty much fucked since the last 2 centuries. All the interior provinces are condemned to disappear. In my city we've lost 30k people in 30 years (mostly young people emigrating to other countries or Madrid) and all the other cities and villages surrounding us are pretty much in the same situation.

The EU has promoted this situation destroying part of the primary and secondary economical sector with much regulation and companies of other countries doing EEE to ours. In a few years Spain will only be Madrid, Barcelona and a few other cities with coastline.

>>78522587

I agree, it's a disgrace. I run a business and starting out wasn't an easy task, when you are made to pay 300eu a month before you even find contracts, while in the UK you pay like 70 pounds a year. We should be helping the youth kick-start business of their own, making away with some of the regulations and reducing that taxes.

My company lives entirely of tourism, if it wasn't for that, I would probably have to sell my house and move somewhere else.

>>78522501
Last attempt of a coup d'etat that we know of was 10 years after the dead of Franco. That we know of. I don't trust the military, and for a good reason. Those people get so indoctrinated they're no better than muslims, they just worship their ideal of a nation instead of some imaginary friend.

>>78521647

This.

>>78521405
>Is this just memeing or is it an actual prevalent mentality in Spain? I would have thought Spain had more of a connection with France than Greece,

I personally feel as close to Greece as I do to Latvia: Almost nothing, but still more than, say, Vietnam or the Congo. It's Northern Europeans that put us PIGS countries in the same pack.

>>78522690

I like the army and the benefits it brings to my country, I will continue to support them now more than ever. Specially knowing that most of my demographic are NIsNIs (neets) that love taking it in the ass and expecting free gibs just for existing.


It disgusts me, to no end. This country needs a strong hand with discipline to shape it back into proper pose, or it'll remain crippled forever.

>>78522715
Would you say there is a stronger connection with distant European countries (e.g. Belarus) than Morocco or Latin American countries? Which would you feel the average Spainiard would rather be in a political union with?

>>78522800
Latin American countries no doubt.

>>78522795
I like the army andthe benefits it brings to my country such as _____________ .

>>78522800
Morocco is Terra Incognita.

>>78522838
No bully Portugal, pls.

>>78522823

Patriotic people that can stand the hardships of life without bitching, people ready to take risks and succeed. Responsible people.


The army breeds great people, it avoids repugnant people like these from ever coming into shape.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsDCOd8WqLI

No me gusta mucho el personaje del militar pero te lo has currado, hasta hace nada me lo estaba creyendo.

>>78522862

To anyone looking for a translation. The couple are basically communist that argue that working for to buy a property is slavery and they agree we should steal houses from people with multiple properties to give them for free to people like them. Grade A commies, basically.

>>78522931
Are communists in Spain nationalists or secessionist?

>>78522972

Secessionists, there's not an ounce of patriotism in this people. They'll follow whoever gives them free things so they don't have to move a finger in their entire lives.

>>78522800
>Would you say there is a stronger connection with distant European countries (e.g. Belarus) than Morocco or Latin American countries?

No, I don't think we feel more connected to Belarus or Urkaine than to Morocco or Ecuador. We feel some kind of connection with Portugal, Italy, France and even the UK and Germany. Then come some Latin American countries to which many Spaniards emigrated in the past (Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Venezuela, Cuba), then maybe some other countries with which we had some historical connection in the past as colonizers (Morocco, rest of Latin America).


>Which would you feel the average Spainiard would rather be in a political union with?

With whomever is richer. Seriously.

>>78523070
>We feel some kind of connection with Portugal, Italy, France and even the UK and Germany.
Could this be a USSR divide? How do you feel about Denmark or Austria?

>Australian interviewers

>>78522800
Portugal, Italy and southern France - northern Spain.

South america is more indigenous and tend to hate Spain like France with their ex territories in África (Algeria,Morocco etc)

BTW I appreciate all the responses mi amigos.

>>78523192
Fankly it's mostly the Algerians.

>>78523356

Happy to help

>>78523132
>Could this be a USSR divide?

It could be due to the fact that we've been receiving tourists from Scandinavia and Western Europe for decades, but understandably not so many from Greece, Yugoslavia and the Warsaw-pact countries.

Therefore we feel a connection with Portugal, Italy, and (esp. SW) France for cultural proximity reasons, and a slighter connection with Scandinavia and the rest of Western Europe for recent tourism.

>How do you feel about Denmark or Austria?

They'd probably fall into the "Germany" category :)

we pretty much can't stand them and always avoid contact.
they like to pretend they are the same but in reality they can't help themselves but to be noticeable

>>78520884
typical spanish thinking, invest in a road that leads nowhere

Conservative is the last word I'd use to describe Spain. Every time I've been there they've been open to pretty much every regular liberal standpoint.

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>>78523891
t.

>>78523916
But what more is Colombia than a bastard son of the Spanish Empire?

>>78523891
>typical spanish thinking, invest in a road that leads nowhere

It doesn't lead to "nowhere". It leads to Portugal. Wait...

Portugal is cool but it is an unknown to everyone.Most people would not consider Portuguese foreigners unlike sudacas,French,moros,Brits or even Italians

>>78520650
Since Portugal has fallen from its former power it had, we don't think about them, we just say "Hey, it's that country bordering Spain on the west".

We all hate spanish people where i live :)
"De Espanha nem bons ventos nem bons casamentos"

Honestly, I think we should just invade Portugal. Iberia is ours.

>>78525647
You would die motherfuckers, our terrain is very peculiar, you can't deal with it.
No nukes and planes allowed by the way

>>78525680
1v1 me bitch, no alliances, no vehicles, final destination

>>78525715
ok, meet me at the border, but I'm busy this month

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>>78525680


We'll just tell perroflautas there's a lot of free housing in Portugal. Commies are literally, bio-weapons of mass destruction.

>>78525680
You are our irmao desu, stop being butthurt

>>78525771
What are perroflautas?

>>78525680
We will shout our way to the heart of Lisbon, like in the 2014 CL final.

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>>78525814

Hippies that hate rich people, working and being responsible. They wear rastas, have a horrible stench and spent the entire day playing a flute while walking their mini-dogs. They are also very fond of invading people houses to live inside.

>>78525814
Podemos supporters

>>78525923

This.

>>78525914
sounds comfy, send them in, we have lots of abandoned villages for them to occupy.
will they accept me as one of them?

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>>78525949

>Liking a bunch of ambition-less commies that do nothing but expect free gibs for merely existing, being a detriment to the tax-payer's hard earned money while promoting degeneration of family values, drug usage and frivolous spending of one's capital
You must have gone mad.

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Don't fall into D&C and Alberto Barbosa meme - our president of republic tans a lot since spent and spends the time on the beach. We aren't brown.

>>78525949
>Commies helping the economy. Said no one

>>78526036
We don't expect them to stay long. We did what that guy was talking about to "refugees" and most just fled to France because they are allergic to the calm countryside full of old people who don't pay attention to them, even if it does have free housing.

A ver si os morís ya putos fascistas y liberatas de mierda.

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>>78526748
t. republicANO MUGREMITA

>>78526785
Ninguno de los dos puto mongoloide.

>>78526748
fala inglês, ó palhaço.

>>78525771
send your refugees somewhere else. we'll build a wall, if need be

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>>78526816
Uno de los cuatro:
1) Un mierdas que apoya al PSOE como todo un perroflauta.
2) Un mierdas que apoya a Ciudadanos y piensa que es listo
3) Un mierdas que apoya al PP y es un cani asqueroso
4) Un regionalista asqueroso color caca marroquí de mierda

El que postea nenitas tiene automaticamente razon.

>>78520748
>we were yandere to them. They are tsundere to us.
This is a perfect description of the Iberian relationship

>>78526064
This guy is a short sleeper only sleeps 3h-5h per day.
http://observador.pt/2014/08/05/dormir-cinco-horas-e-funcionar-e-o-gene-marcelo/
http://www.isleep.pt/a-melatonina-pos-me-dias-a-fio-sem-dormir/

>>78520650
Spain basically ignores us because when it paid too much attention to us they got steamrolled, and frankly we're not worth the effort to conquer, and I think they'll agree on this. I think they even respect us since they've stopped any attempts at assimilation for almost 250 years.

They claim we have an inferiority complex towards them, but I don't think it's true. It's more of a persecution complex where we're distrustful of them. Not that it's any healthier, but at least it's more historically sound. They don't really care about us, as I said, so it's just a vestigial hate at this point.

Further than that, we think they all speak way too loud and their language sounds like the kid version of ours, but I don't think we outright hate them.

Sure, we mock Spain a lot more than they mock us, but they are our only neighbour, so it's not like we have any one else to meme about, whereas they have France and Morocco.

Tsundere relationship that goes both ways, you wouldn't understand

>>78520650
Like that of two brothers that don't really get along, but still show up for the family meetings and will help each other out if need be. Mainly because daddy Vatican kept sending mixed signals as to which one of us he liked best growing up.

You don't choose your family, but it's still family, much like Brazil and SpanAm.

>>78520748
How can you be yandere when we killed you everytime you came here?

>>78529963
is being the only part of iberia to resist castillian assimilation a point of national pride in portugal or do people not give a shit?

>>78530271
>Castillian
Castillian and spanish.
And not really.
It was destined to happen so it is not a surprise

>>78530271
Yes, definitely.

You have to see that after the reconquista all the major battles and wars were about keeping the Castilian as neighbours as opposed to overlords, and remaining unconquered for almost 900 years as a small country will always be a motive of pride.

Even the Iberian Union was sort of an inheritance followed by a war of defence rather than an outright conquest.

It's more about being able to win as the underdog as opposed to being better than the Spaniards, though.

>>78523015
THIS

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>>78525715
>no alliances
awwwww....... damn

>>78526036
>expect free gibs for merely existing
You could just not do that.

So while Spain was having their Civil War, what did the Portuguese do?

>>78522116
This.
Madrid really needs to stop being such a feminist hellhole.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/08/madrid-tackles-el-manspreading-public-transport-with-new-signs

>>78531328
Supportly secretly the Nationalist side while being part of non-intervention commitee
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_involvement_in_the_Spanish_Civil_War#Portugal