Why dont Americans value free speech anymore?

>>78516453
free speech is a meme because it can't exist when things like hate speech exist

>>78516453
Is there something wrong with this image?

>>78516453
they're using free speech to counter protest

>>78516467
>because it can't exist when things like hate speech exist
Only if your country is filled withy spoiled brats.

Do we have any tacticians on /int/? How can the racists win this battle?

>>78516453
first amendment says that you can say whatever you want (with a few exceptions) and the government will do nothing to prevent you from doing so (throwing you in jail, etc).

It does not protect you from the consequences of what you say.

>>78516502
By getting into trucks

>>78516534
I don't see any trucks in the photo. Any other strategies?

>>78516502
By not fucking announcing where they're going to in advance.

It's retarded unless you want to be swarmed by antifa who travelled from all over their country and get rocks thrown at you from behind police lines. As I said in the last thread it's mentally retarded to operate in this fashion.

>>78516453
I see two groups exercising their freedom of speech.

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>>78516502
Hold the line.

>>78516558
Wrong side, you're fighting for the God King remember?

From the last thread:

"You wont see us at clusterfucks like took place in Virginia this weekend, we have been through that years ago and found that it was not a viable tactic in combating our opposition. Even if it was, why would you announce where you're going to BE, way ahead of the game so your enemy can mobilize and travel from all over the country just to attack you physically?

I've never heard of a general of any military unit that would operate that stupidly. Which makes it abundantly plain the leaders of this type of activity out for possibly money, or power or some desire other than defending the white race. If I were to be inclined towards these, "ill thought-out gatherings" I would do it the opposite way. I would seek out my OPPOSITION's meeting places and rallies and their homes, and pay them a visit. At our own opportune time."


"I am compelled at this time to add my voice to the few, that have demanded such things as 'phase one'-type activities, must stop. Simply such nonsense as trying to "make headlines", "confront the enemy", or "rally the white masses" wont work. Never has worked. And almost always results in merely revealing our weaknesses, and making us look like idiots. The very strategy itself calls for numbers, which we do not have at this time. My view is, that just because the Jews and the Liberals have succeeded at making goyim of the vast majority of whites, we need not sacrifice ourselves, in the vain attempt at proving them wrong."

>>78516453
Because people can't control their butthurt feelings. They think someone disagreeing with them means they are being personally attacked. In my generation, I noticed the people who are against free speech have been coddled all their life. I call it the millennial middle class bubble or special snowflake syndrome. These people usually end up poorer than their parents because they can't deal with the real world.

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>>78516502
>>78516550
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Racists btfo

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>>78516727
Please don't respond to me while I'm on my smoke break.

>>78516751
this image is humorous, may i save it?

>>78516737
i dont get what is happening here
im guessing more than 1 group has protested in that gazebo at any point in time

>>78516467
Free speech used to be a part of the American way of life. I miss the libertarian spirit of Americans. Now they become socialists, some of them even find normal to pay for healthcare...

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>>78516772
Yes, have another. Thank you for asking.

>>78516779
That's because libertarianism is retarded

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>give women equal rights
>hurr wage gap muh feminism
>give black people equal rights
>hurr black lives maddur we dindu anything pay reparation for colonial science
lets face it, people will never be satisfied and will always make up problems when their old ones get solved. it takes just 1 generation to forget the past and exaggerate the present situation.

>>78516453

>It's another idiot thinks freedom of speech means freedom from consequence episode

>>78516912
That means there's no freedom of speech though. That's like saying you have freedom of speech in North Korea. The consequence being a firing squad.

>>78516553
>By not fucking announcing where they're going to in advance.

That's the entire point you dumb fuck, they're LOOKING for fights.

That's the entire reason their lineup of planned cities are all heavily liberal. Charlottesville, Boston, Berkley, San Fran. You don't see them doing their circle jerk rallies in Harrison, Arkansas, do you?

>>78516846
Good post

>>78516946
Harrison Arkansas has a population of 1, 000. The cities you mentioned are very large.

If they were looking for fights it'd be a lot easier to have a march where people dont expect them. Or perhaps use some tact - maybe dress up as Antifa and start some violence from inside instead? This approach makes absolutely no sense. They'll never win a fight in this manner.

>>78516696
>They think someone disagreeing with them means they are being personally attacked.

Yes, the neo-nazis just disagree with blacks. No hard feelings there, just a gentle extermination is preferred.

Stupid fuck.

Look what happened last time these people were "Free to feel how they wanted" and not stopped.

>>78516985
*16, 000 whoops

>>78516558
Dumb burger, the spartans could hold the line because they were fighting on an alley

>>78516987
>Look what happened last time these people were "Free to feel how they wanted" and not stopped.

Wait are we talking about the Nazis or the Communists?

They should also strike against religions which killed 2 days ago again in Spain.

>>78516987
>Look what happened last time these people were "Free to feel how they wanted" and not stopped.
That's what antifa has been doing not 50 people at a rally somewhere.

>>78516512
>>78516912
>the consequences of what you say
what does "the consequence" mean?

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>>78516987
>Yes, the neo-nazis just disagree with blacks. No hard feelings there, just a gentle extermination is preferred.
funny how this is just a cartoon caricature while the opposite is quite literally reality as we speak

>>78516987
Were the Nazis even allowed freedom of speech?

I remember that nationalists were getting attacked long before Hitler came to power and that when Hitler wasn't allowed to speak he send out Goebbels or Rosenberg to speak instead?

>>78517183
Pic not related, I guess

>>78517187
>nationalists
Do you really think nationalism ishas anything to do with nazism?

>>78517229
I meant in early Weimar republic

Another exception was "Hate Speech". The Weimar republic did have quite modern anti-hate speech laws, and they were the basis for numerous prosecutions against leading nazis, with convictions that included jail time.[2]

Didn't seem to stop them ;)

>>78516467
in the US hate speech legally doesn't exist though.

>>78517249
What were those laws then? Did they apply to innocent citizens?

>>78516453

Why are people so afraid of racism? It's a good thing

>>78517183
I thought he was begging white farmers to come back because of famine or something

>>78517142
>religions
Only christianity. Islam has never killed anyone.

>>78517182
If you say something controversial or hateful than other individuals will call you out for it and maybe say something hateful back to you or you may get fired from your job or outed as a nazi/racist/bigot/etc.

>>78517424
>bigot
Never understood the large use of this word by progressives.
Evrybody is bigoted in many ways.

>>78516943
I don't thank you understand. In North Korea is you say something the government doesn't like they'll take political or legal action against you. In the west if you say something controversial than the government won't take action against you, but individuals and people are free to call you out/fire you/etc. if they weren't than that would be a restriction on their freedom of speech

>>78517424
what's the cutoff point for these labels though? does saying something like "i disagree with how antifa/blm operates" warrant having undesirable be branded on your forehead?

>>78517463
I meant it in the contemporary "irrational prejudice against women, minorities, homosexuals, religious minorities, etc." instead of the technical definition of one intolerant to those of differing opinions

>>78516453
that's two groups exercising their constitutional rights

t. ardent Alt-Rightwinger

as long as ANTIFA isn't niggering about, I'm ok with whatever on a principles level

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>>78517471
Sounds like you don't really have freedom of speech then.

>You can say whatever you want but if you do we'll disrupt and possibly attack you and get you fired from your job. But you can say it if you want tho

>>78517513
that's the danger with collectivism over individualism.

>>78517486
People are free to react however they want, aside from illegal action, though personally the line I draw is between descriptive statements like "whites are being oppressed by multiculturalism" or "islam is an inherently terrorist ideology" and prescriptive statements like "we need to kill all non-whites" or "let's burn down all the mosques"

>>78516453
Muh feelings are more important than anything now.

>>78517513
freedom of speech was never meant to protect individuals from reactions by other individuals or businesses, just political or legal action from the government. And again, saying that people cannot express their feelings of anger over something someone said that they felt was unjustified is also a restriction on freedom of speech. It's hypocritical to someone shouldn't be able to execize their freedom of speech to criticize something else's expressing of freedom of speech

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>>78516453
discussing things objectively is outdated

>>78517182
Meaning that the government can't stop you from getting fired from saying hitler was an ok guy, or that prevent you from not getting a gf when you announce on facebook that all women are bitches and whores, etc. That kind of thing.

>>78517617
This is why the idea of freedom of speech is idiotic altogether. it just goes into a retarded loop with some idealized idea in mind

>>78517547
>People are free to react however they want
see >>78517545
i agree that people are free to label you however they want on individual level. but telling people to exile someone just because you think that is the right course of action is not something i advocate. same with the neo nazis, they can have their dumb ideals as individuals but if they start to organize and tell people how to think they should be dispersed as an organization, not as an ideology.

>>78517623
>I worked for a nonpartisan fact checking site
I seriously doubt such a thing even exists

>>78516467
that doesnt make any sense. How does the existence of hate speech infringe on the definition of free speech?

>>78516502
with gun and discipline

>>78517693
I can't recall the exact specifics, but hate speech becomes not protected by the 1st amendment when it involves direct threats or calls for violence against individuals, or it incites an immediate danger to anyone. State and local ordinances can further restrict it as well.

I'm not a fan of this new meaning of "free speech."

>>78516846
don't bother
this country is so tattered that it's bound to rip itself apart in ~a decade. And for that matter, so is every other powerful country right now, aside from maybe Israel, but I don't know enough about their situation to know if they're about to run themselves into the ground.

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>>78516985
>Charlottesville
>very large
when will this meme die?