What is your honest to God opinion on immigration?

>>78444904
I agree with our president on this: we need as many immigrants as possible. They are honest hard-working people.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-03-14/russia-s-alternative-universe-immigrants-welcome

>>78444904
>What is your honest to God opinion on immigration?
It should remain same as it was 10-15 years ago, meaning no zerg floods on the borders and that only people after background checks can get through.

>pic
Then go live in africa as a part of liberal exchange program.

>>78444904
Apathy.

>>78444904
It should be contained, unless you want a fifth column to rise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_column

>>78444904
so-called "refugees" come here to live as leeches and spit on the working population.
real "immigrants" that come here to work, like poles or romanians are welcome. leeches are not.

why are you (You) harvesting like this have you no shame

at least go to /pol/

>>78444904
>What is your honest to God opinion on immigration?
that they should go back to their own countries

>>78445001
Should all countries allow immigrants? Do people have the right to live/work wherever they want to?
Or is it better to stay where one was born/raised, in the case that some cultures are incompatible?

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>>78444904

>>78444904
>Allowed immigration
Nordic women
Germanic women
Italian women
Dutch women
Spanish women
Cypriots
>Banned immigration
Everything else

>>78444904
Balanced immigration. However, it doesn't stop the humanitarian/ economic problems that these people are fleeing from.

>>78445132
>However, it doesn't stop the humanitarian/ economic problems that these people are fleeing from.
It exacerbates them if there is a brain drain.

>>78444939
>Russia needs immigrants so that the money which could be directed to stabilizing the economy and raising salaries to attract Russian workers would go to oligarchs' pockets instead
Really perplexes my peanuts.
Also
>(((Bloomberg)))

>>78445109
>women
Its like you want to be even more in debt.

>>78444939
The only reason any non-west/Central African would go to Russia is to study.

>>78444904
>God
下げる。

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individual people as well as entire peoples as a whole should be allowed to perish. preserving doomed populace only contributes to the ever creeping overpopulation.

if you want globalization
your iphone made by chinese workers
your cloth made by bangladeshian pajeets
your roof fixed for cheap

materials that would cost 3 times as much if you had to pay a normal price for it then theres gona be immigration

you cant have your cake and eat it too

Depends
Immigration to the US is part of our culture and why we have such a huge economy, if only people would recognize that is this a monoculture and integrate it wouldn't cause issues because we're already mixed beyond belief anyway
When people immigrate to ethnic states that when it causes problems.

>>78445274
Free movement of goods isn't the same as the free movement of people you utter retard.

>>78445109

Go right ahead, ultra welfare state.

>>78444904

Alien species destroying equilibrium.

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>>78445274
>clothes are made for 50c
>but are sold for $50

>>78445279
>Immigration to the US is part of our culture and why we have such a huge economy

It's the other way around you dope. In the 19th century, factory owners would go to Europe to scout for workers. The strength of the american economy is due to its river system, natural resources (oil and now shale oil) and a giant moat around it that protects it from enemies.

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>>78445272

In favor of accepting immigrants from any country so long as the process is regulated. The unchecked flow of immigrants in to Germany following the Syrian migrant crisis caused a great deal of security and logistical issues that I'd prefer we avoid. It was a decision motivated by good intentions but the outcome was a best a mess and at worst a disaster.

That said I have no issue with immigrants from Middle Eastern countries or Mexico or elsewhere so long as they want to come to America and work with us to make it a better place. You do that and you're an American in my book. I'm also for leniency for undocumented immigrants who haven't been involved in any criminal activity (other than entering the country illegally) and who have been working or contributing in some way. If they're good people they deserve a shot at citizenship. Those involved in criminal activity and those not doing anything productive would be sent back though.

Immigration is complex. I think the right is too strict and the left is too soft.

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>>78445295
>All of poorly paid workers move to countries where they are being paid better.
>Prices go up X times because of new workforce costs.

>>78445279
>Immigration to the US is part of our culture and why we have such a huge economy
I agree with this sentiment, and I wanted to hear why other countries don't push immigration as hard as us when it seems like it would be in their economic best interest.
But this >>78445345 has me thinking that I wasn't thinking critically enough. I suppose it is a lot more complex than just immigration

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It should be demographically insignificant - racial and ethnic conflict are the result of racial and ethnic diversity plus proximity, this is basic arithmetic.

The immigration that should be allowed should be STEM-related and highly vetted and 90% of the time on a temporary basis, most importantly naturalization/gaining citizenship should be hard to impossible. Citizenship is just a process people go through these days, it's not a privilege or something anyone strives for.

>>78445367
What a fucking non-answer.

>I think the right is too strict

How? The center-right in all western countries support the status quo, look at the conservatives in the UK, they've presided over net inflows of 300k+ - 75% of which has been excluding the EU. Same with France under Sarkozy, Germany under Merkel etc. How are the CDU "strict" on immigration in any meaningful way?

>>78445345
If we didn't have immigration all of that would be useless.
Our large population gave us the manpower to successfully harness those resources.

>>78445456
>Our large population gave us the manpower to successfully harness those resources.

Large populations are useless if the population quality/human capital is low, moron.

>>78445452
Our left would be considered conservative in England/Europe

>>78445452
>What a fucking non-answer.

This kind of thinking is why our entire political climate is a fucked up as it is. Everything must be an absolute. You're either for us or you're against us. There is no nuance. Nobody is capable of any kind of critical analysis any more and people cannot even fathom the concept of compromising. I can only hope this cancerous mentality dies before we render our own species extinct.

>>78445490
A lot of people genuinely come here with good intentions and work hard, the negative minorities you see in the US are often third generation children.

>>78445495
Not in terms of immigration or social policy. The US is liberalism's patient zero. Everything bad in the world you pioneered:

>Liberal democracy as the only acceptable form of government (or we're going to bomb you).
>Interracial marriage as fashionable and hip.
>Fag marriage as normal.
>Philosemitism.
>White guilt (Hollywood).

etc etc.

I wish we got more South American refugees.
We need more Reggaeton and SA cuisine here.

>>78445540
Yes, everything must be an absolute. Not like I made my position clear that productive immigration (specialist nurses, engineers etc) on a temporary basis is acceptable in the same post you're replying to.

Fuck off libfag.

>>78445549
>A lot of people genuinely come here with good intentions and work hard

You're still getting it wrong. The fact they work hard and make a lot of money is not reason alone to induct them into the body politic. Plenty of Chinese make a lot of money in your country, but virtually all of them are still loyal to the PRC, which is why your counter-intel finds it so difficult to fight them domestically.

>>78444904
fuck white countries

>>78445592
Kek are Greeks even white?

>>78445616
Why are you bringing up whiteness you stupid liberal faggot? Can't defend your views?

>>78445555
Have you ever been here?
>Liberal democracy as the only acceptable form of government (or we're going to bomb you)
eh
>Interracial marriage as fashionable and hip.
This is still rare outside of the media, people don't miscegenate as much as you think they do
>Fag marriage as normal.
We didn't pioneer this, and a lot of the country dislikes this
>Philosemitism.
Considering that we saved their asses before and Christianity is considered closely related to it
>White guilt (Hollywood).
Ehhhh, I don't think this as true as you think it is, unless your race conscious there's not a lot of white guilt in hollywood but there's nothing with raceswaps in film.

>>78445274
>materials would cost 3 times as much
Nice fearmongering

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>>78445555
>(Hollywood)
They still make some of the best cinema in the world, they're a business and if "kill whitey" is in they will chant "kill whitey"
not that Hollywood is as anti-white as you think.

>>78445650
>Have you ever been here?

Unfortunately.

>Ehhhh, I don't think this as true as you think it is, unless your race conscious there's not a lot of white guilt in hollywood but there's nothing with raceswaps in film.

Yeah, Detroit, Get Out, Selma, Twelve Years an Ape.... Hollywood has been pumping out the white guilt propaganda over the past 20 years. You even make films with Indian men and White women now lol (Big Sick) so fucking disgusting.

>>78445555
>Interracial marriage as fashionable and hip.
>Fag marriage as normal.
Why are /pol/tards always so obsessed with these two?

>>78445727
I agree, but they also push a message, and as I mentioned in >>78445734 it is getting more pronounced.

>>78445737
>Fag marriage as normal.
Because this flies in the face of our country's Judeo-Christian values

>>78445737
>purposefully try to change the definition of marriage from what it's always been to something else because of sympathetic gay characters on your TV shows
>we are the ones obsessed with it

Interracial marriages are fucked up, dysfunctional and produce fucked up, dysfunctional children. This is a statistical fact.

White countries should take refugees, not we.
I enjoy watching Europe burning:D:D

No problem with immigrating to work and be a functioning member of society. Fuck rapefugees and their bullshit

I'm against immigration. We're full. Also I don't like immigrants who have come in recent years because we were full already.

>>78445784
>Interracial marriages are fucked up, dysfunctional and produce fucked up, dysfunctional children. This is a statistical fact.
lol no. maybe for some hapa that was born from a SEA visa marriage but most turn out fine.

>>78445818
>I enjoy watching Europe burning:D:D

Why? What did Spain ever do to you Takeshi?

Immigration in large numbers results in no integration. Different cultures are objectively better than others and if immigrants won't adapt then they shouldn't go to the country they want to. Back in the day they made people change their names to be more anglo when people immigrated to america. Now we have Muslims going into western countries and acting like muslims. It doesn't work. Multiculturalism never worked.
>libcucks think multiculturalism means race
Black kids that grow up in white neighborhoods usually end up better than blacks that grow up with shitty black culture in the hood.
Western European culture is objectively the best

>>78445889
He's a polish proxy.

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>>78445555
>everything bad in the world you pioneered:
>british flag
>Greek God (racially pure J1/J2)
WE

>>78445888
>lol no. maybe for some hapa that was born from a SEA visa marriage but most turn out fine.

>Over 90% of children born to black dads and white moms are born out of wedlock
>Over 90% of such children report a bad relationship with their father

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2625893

>White women in relationships with black men 9 times more likely to be murdered

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26092648

Want me to go on, abonigger?

>>78445900
>Black kids that grow up in white neighborhoods usually end up better than blacks that grow up with shitty black culture in the hood.

Stop trying to downplay race just to suck up to libcucks. Race is important.

>>78445888 (checked)
This isn't true, I am of mexican descent but because of how much americans mix I have white skin and I never truly became part of any Mexican communities, shit fucked up me for the longest time until I just started calling myself an Iberian and kicking with whitey.

>>78445889
because I can realiazed how blessed and lucky I am to have been born in Japan. plus their stupidity is worth being laughed at

>>78445599
I almost took offense to this, but then remembered.

>>78445951
How would you define race?

>>78445956
You can blame the shitty indigenismo movement for that. Mexicans weren't always retarded chicano aztec LARPers.

>>78444904
Honestly? I just want to be left alone. Upper classes throughout the western world exploited africans and asians etc and the average person barely benefited. Now anyone with white skin cops the blame for what a few rich pricks got the goodies from and we all have 'accept migrants evil white man' shoved down our throats. I blame liberals AND capitalists for this

>>78445984
>plus their stupidity is worth being laughed at

Majority of Europeans oppose mass immigration, no matter what your meme images tell you.

And this doesn't follow. Why laugh at people dying because you feel lucky to be born in Japan?

>>78445992
Phylogenetic concordance.

An economic necessity for western countries and not necessarily a bad thing if the numbers are controlled and they assimilate.

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>>78445920
>most interracial pairings in movies is WMAF
>some butthurt Turk rapebabby gets roid rage if it's with some shitskin or another
off yourself senpai

>>78445956
I know nothing about the relationship of america with chis t b h

>>78446042
>An economic necessity for western countries

Based on what economic logic? The majority of inflows to the United Kingdom are not skilled workers, they're family reunification visas who eventually get citizenship, student visas for useless subjects etc.

>>78446061
>most interracial pairings in movies is WMAF

They're not though, you paranoid chink. Go worship your Indian Buddha or something.

>>78445295
t. eu expert
shut your mouth angloshit

>>78445314
But the native species is killing itself off for some reason.

The libcuckery on /int/ is astonishing.

But then again what can you expect from people who think "we are the world" memesphere images about how le switzerland is le neutral are funny.

>>78444904
I think it is a fair consequence of colonialism and post-colonialism. Like, Westerners are getting what their deserve.

>>78446072
>Based on what economic logic?
when birth rates are low you need people to come in from somewhere to keep economies ticking

>The majority of inflows to the United Kingdom are not skilled workers, they're family reunification visas who eventually get citizenship, student visas for useless subjects
That's England's problem, not a problem with migration as a whole. We don't have that problem in Australia and the closest we've had to a """migrant crisis""" was people getting annoyed that wogs and lebs weren't assimilating

>>78446093
>They're not though, you paranoid chink.
>implying

>Go worship your Indian Buddha or something.
Buddha was Asian. And why don't you go do suck the dick of that sandnigger prophet of yours?

>>78444904
We need immigration reform to allow Mexicans an easy way to become American, while at the same time keeping the criminals out.
Mexicans are almost universally bros, and it's the cartels (that they also hate) that give them a bad reputation.
Once we establish better diplomatic relations (immigration/border is a big factor in this) with Mexico it should even be easier to erase the drug problems.

Muslim "Refugees" from Islamic countries are scum though, they can get fucked. Fuck Islam so much.

It's cancer what has it added to my country that my country didn't have before oh what more takeaway variety I don't give a fuck like no one can tell me how immigration has had a benefit for my country.

>>78446142
>when birth rates are low you need people to come in from somewhere to keep economies ticking

What do you mean by "keep economies ticking"? Be specific: Are you talking about stimulating consumption or productivity?

>We don't have that problem in Australia

Yeah, you just have a giant Chinese fifth column that have probably infiltrated most organs of state by now. Different strain of the same disease.

>>78445068
Ahahahaha
I'd heard the bitch was fat, but that's whaleteir

>>78446146
>implying

I wasn't implying anything, I was quite explicit.

>Buddha was Asian.

Siddharta Gautama was from the Indian subcontinent you /r/aznidentity LARPer. Are you seriously trying to retcon him as a chink? Fucking lol.

>>78446174
>What do you mean by "keep economies ticking"? Be specific: Are you talking about stimulating consumption or productivity?
For it to grow overall. This isn't a radical concept.
For example, 1.5% of Australia's 3.2% annual growth rate in the 90s was attributed to population growth, and with birth rates below the replacement rate in every state but Tasmania the reason why the population grew was obviously migration.
If migration slowed, then the working population drops and the economy contracts. That's the problem Japan is about to face. They're projected to have economic growth reduce by 1% every single year because of their decaying population and restrictive migration policies.
>Yeah, you just have a giant Chinese fifth column that have probably infiltrated most organs of state by now. Different strain of the same disease.
The property problem stems from overseas investors based in China and demand for inner city property in Sydney and Melbourne, not migrants.

>>78446203
>I wasn't implying anything, I was quite explicit.
TV shows have it more in spades than movies ever will.

>Siddharta Gautama was from the Indian subcontinent you /r/aznidentity LARPer. Are you seriously trying to retcon him as a chink? Fucking lol.
>/r/
>browsing reddit

Kek. And no, Buddha was from Nepal and I'm not retconning anything.

You'd also know nobody prays TO Buddha like sandnigger worshipers do to Jesus.

>>78446348
So what if growth is flat? When you adjust GDP by population it's pretty flat for Aus anyway, with inequality widening. Basically you think western nations should import more third worlders so the richest can get richer, while the lower and middle classes can put up with having to actually live near them.

>>78446423
>So what if growth is flat?
A country can survive with a stagnate economy, but if one can grow then there's nothing wrong with that. Problems arise when it can start causing downturn, like what may start happening in Japan.
>When you adjust GDP by population
that's literally what the growth figures come from
>with inequality widening
nope
>Basically you think western nations should import more third worlders so the richest can get richer, while the lower and middle classes can put up with having to actually live near them.
nope
you forgot your le funny name by the way champ

>>78446423
Analbanian Subhuman.

>>78446416
>TV shows have it more in spades than movies ever will.
To be fair there's only like 7 TV shows worth watching

>>78446416
Also
>implying I'm shilling for immigration
No I'd prefer it if they did close the borders completely.

>>78446416
Nepal is part of the Indian subcontinent
There's also been four buddhas or something I'm pretty sure

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>>78446524
>I'd prefer it if they did close the borders completely.

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WHITEY WATCH OUT

Good if I immigrate to Finland, but very bad if others come to my country

>>78446499

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-12/population-growth-masking-australian-economic-weakness/8700288

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-26/rba-says-inequality-getting-worse/8746594

>>78446570
WE

>>78446519
It's literally in all the popular T.V shows and yet you never see stormshits whine about that. But it's the rare BMWF movie that sends all those keyboard warriors flooding the internet.

>>78446525
Yeah it's part of it but its geography is weird. It doesn't share any similarities with India barring Buddhism and most Nepalis don't even like Indians.
>There's also been four buddhas or something I'm pretty sure
The first one.

>>78446551
I do. I'm from Sydney so I know better than anybody here at how shit Arabs can be.

>>78446576
that's a recent phenomenon and it's driven by a combination of factors beyond migration alone
Australia has drawn on large numbers of migrants for 60 odd years now, even before the weakening and then outright removal of the White Australia Policy and is arguably one of the cornerstones of Australia's success

>>78446636
>It doesn't share any similarities with India
It's part of the Indian sphere of influence now and that's beginning to have an effect on their culture. The recent explosion of cricket there is a good example of the influence of India on Nepal.
>most Nepalis don't even like Indians
No one in the subcontinent likes anyone. "India" as a country was invented by the English. It's filled with different ethnic groups that speak different languages and who all have historical rivalries with each other.

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>>78446636
>the rare BMWF
A LOT of black movies have this
and I don't know about most but WMAF makes me kind of uncomfortable as well, don't know why /pol/ has such a fetish for them other than betas not being choosers.

>>78446348
>For it to grow overall. This isn't a radical concept.

Ok, so you're prioritizing GDP growth then.

In that case why not just give legal status to anyone who turns up on your shores? That would boost GDP growth exponentially higher because consumption would increase massively.

>That's the problem Japan is about to face.

Japan has the most competitive manufacturing sector on earth. Germany wishes it could be even halfway as productive as Japan.

>They're projected to have economic growth reduce by 1% every single year because of their decaying population and restrictive migration policies.

They actually post modest growth.

>The property problem stems from overseas investors based in China and demand for inner city property in Sydney and Melbourne, not migrants.

lol no, it's all Chinese. They're not loyal, and why should they be? Honestly, think about that question.

>>78446416
>TV shows have it more in spades than movies ever will.

So now you're changing the goalposts. What TV shows are you talking about here specifically?

>Kek. And no, Buddha was from Nepal and I'm not retconning anything.

Nepal is closer to India than it was China, Buddha attained his enlightenment in India.

>You'd also know nobody prays TO Buddha like sandnigger worshipers do to Jesus.
>Build giant statues
>Bow down before them
>Prostrate yourself before them
>Call him "Lord Buddha"
>Attribute supernatural powers from beyond the grave to him (invoke him to solve real-world problems)
>not worshipping

Chinese religion is all just empty rites anyway. So I'm not sure why I'm discussing this.

>>78446636
>It's literally in all the popular T.V shows

Then list them you literal redditor.

>>78446636
>It doesn't share any similarities with India barring Buddhism

You are thick as shit. Siddharta literally invokes Krishna's name at points.

No one cares about Chinese Buddhism anyway, it's shit-tier religion.

>>78444904
We're full. We need to start kicking people out or turn some shithole state into a containment zone.

>>78446799
We were going to send syrian refugees to Iowa but I don't know if that happened or not, I think the coasts catch a lot of them to be fair, just move to a flyover state and it won't be an issue.

>>78445109
>Allowed immigration
>Nordic women
>Germanic women
>Italian women
>Dutch women
>Spanish women
This thinking is why you're in debt.

>>78446746
>In that case why not just give legal status to anyone who turns up on your shores? That would boost GDP growth exponentially higher because consumption would increase massively.
Because that then places an economic and social burden on the country. Remember I'm in favour of a controlled migration scheme, not open borders. Everything doesn't have to be one extreme or the other
>Japan has the most competitive manufacturing sector on earth. Germany wishes it could be even halfway as productive as Japan.
That doesn't change the facts and models
>They actually post modest growth.
"Modest" is a very rose coloured way of describing it. They're not projected to suddenly collapse, but it is going to cause problems especially when you factor in the spending-adverse Japanese nature.
>lol no, it's all Chinese
The Chinese living in Adelaide are inflating the Sydney property bubble?

>>78446705
>>78446705
It is a recent trend and will continue as automation, AI etc continue to erode the requirement for labour to increase productivity. The Western world doesn't need migrants anymore. Migration from developing countries should be turned down to a trickle, all it is doing now is importing future problems

>>78444904
Taking people from drastically different culture and with low education is foolish because the former won't/can't properly assimilate and the later doesn't benefit us . Also, if people are educated but will work for spit, it just fucks our people in the same field.

>>78446852
>Because that then places an economic and social burden on the country.

No it doesn't. Virtually all growth you are talking about in the western is the result of the 'c' side of the equation being stimulated by debt-fueled consumption ANYWAY you dense fuck, especially in the UK. I'm simply suggesting we amplify this trend - if it's as good for the economy as you say it is, why not?

>Remember I'm in favour of a controlled migration scheme

You can either have demographically insignificant, controlled migration or mass immigration. The moment you allow for shit like "family reunification" that leads to citizenship, "student visas" for useless degrees etc, you no longer have controlled immigration.

>That doesn't change the facts and models

What facts and models? Japan for the past 30 years has had a far healthier current account surplus than any western country.

>"Modest" is a very rose coloured way of describing it.

Japan's economy actually grew, on average, with a declining labor force. It posted 1.5% growth in the 10 or so years prior to subprime. The US posted 2.5% growth on average with an increase in the labor force of tens of millions.

What do you think that tells you about actual real world productivity?

>but it is going to cause problems especially when you factor in the spending-adverse Japanese nature.

Idiot, the savings rate is what allows for high investment in the first place. Learn to suppressed consumption.

>The Chinese living in Adelaide are inflating the Sydney property bubble?

I'm talking about how your Chinese have no loyalty to the country. In fact they have no loyalty to any country outside of the PRC. The experience of Chinese in Southeast Asia should be enough to teach any educated person this.

It is wise to be wary of foreigners, especially wealthy ones. Anglocucks just have some genetic tendency towards xenophilia though.

>>78446746
>So now you're changing the goalposts.
No I'm not. It's still a form of entertainment.
>What TV shows are you talking about here specifically?
For some of the popular ones in the past few years it'd be Arrow, Grey's Anatomy, Teen Wolf, Iron Fist etc etc
Even fucking Vikings had it.

>Nepal is closer to India than it was China,
And yet Nepal is an Asian country and India isn't.
>Buddha attained his enlightenment in India.
So what? He's not Indian.

>Build giant statues
>Bow down before them
>Prostrate yourself before them
>Call him "Lord Buddha"
Nobody loves Buddha the same way Judaism/Christianity/Islam love their shitskin prophets you retard.

>Chinese religion is all just empty rites anyway. So I'm not sure why I'm discussing this.
The Buddhist population in China is much larger than anywhere else in the world and it only makes up 16% of the country kek you kikelover.

>>78446795
>You are thick as shit. Siddharta literally invokes Krishna's name at points.
> "Go worship your Indian Buddha or something."
Nice changing the goal posts.
>No one cares about Chinese Buddhism anyway, it's shit-tier religion.
^read above^

>>78446889
Productivity isn't the only problem

>>78447007
>Virtually all growth you are talking about in the western is the result of the 'c' side of the equation being stimulated by debt-fueled consumption
Once again, that has not been the case for Australia in our decades of growth stimulated by migration
>especially in the UK
As I said earlier, the UK has a a problem in application, but that doesn't mean that their's anything wrong with the concept.
>You can either have demographically insignificant, controlled migration or mass immigration. The moment you allow for shit like "family reunification" that leads to citizenship, "student visas" for useless degrees etc, you no longer have controlled immigration.
Umm we do sweetie. We allow for shit like student visas while also being one of the harder countries to get permanent residence in without being a classed as a skilled worker.
>Japan for the past 30 years
>past
kek
>Japan's economy actually grew, on average, with a declining labor force. It posted 1.5% growth in the 10 or so years prior to subprime. The US posted 2.5% growth on average with an increase in the labor force of tens of millions.
Yes, because it's a future problem they're facing not an immediate one
>I'm talking about how your Chinese have no loyalty to the country
In reply to a post about the property bubble
>let me tell you about your country

>>78447179
>And yet Nepal is an Asian country and India isn't.
They're both Asian, and Nepal sits on the Indian side of Asia

>>78446140
Even those who didn't colonize anything, or to a great extent?

>>78447646
It isn't genetically Asian.

>>78448086
>genetically asian
what the fuck does that even mean

asia is a region, you don't get to arbitrarily carve it up based on who fucks who.

>>78444904
I'm fine with immigrants of any kind, but they must be required to submit to local law and act like grateful guests.

The state must not allow immigrants to play it!

It is a moral duty to help anyone fleeing from war and oppression, and economic migrants should be allowed to work and do business as long as they obey the law - and punished accordingly if they don't.

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>>78444904
Open borders are retarded unless you also get rid of the welfare state. Otherwise your country is going to implode its pocket books.

I vehemently oppose unskilled/lower class immigration because those peoples' jobs will be replaced by automation in the next 30 years. It's retarded to let in people who are going to be stuck in a permanent unemployed rut, doomed to be dependent on the welfare state. The USA should close off its borders to unskilled workers and immediately focus on how to take care of its existing unskilled American citizens, otherwise we are going to face massive, massive political instability in the 21st century.

The only immigrants the USA should accept are those who have skills that will be relatively untouched by automation (human labor-intensive job like teaching, nursing, orchestral musicians, etc.) and deny everyone else. The unfortunate part of "labor-intensive jobs" is that they're social in nature and rely quite heavily on language skills, which non-native English speakers tend to suck at. So pretty much we're looking at Brits, Australians, Canadians, and Kiwis who can integrate here and be useful.

>>78448256
[2]

My parents were migrants and something my grandfather said about it stuck with me. When he got his Australian citizenship he said he decided that because Australia took a chance on him he would try his best to pay them back by being a good Australian. I think that's the attitude migrants need to have. Once you come over here, you shouldn't think of yourself as Indian, English, Irish or Chinese, but an Australian,

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>>78448123
You know what I mean.

>>78448452
you mean genetically east asian then?
so in your mind indonesians, filipinos, malaysians etc aren't asian?

>>78444953
>Then go live in africa as a part of liberal exchange program.
I remember a story of Western liberals that actually tried to do this. They were all detained at the airport and deported, because they didn't have visas. They really thought they could just go and enter Africa just like that.

>>78448382
unskilled workers, domestic or foreign, are not going to be an issue by the time automation is capable of actually displacing them. By that point they will have been dehumanized and nobody will mind if they get exterminated, judging by current direction political and ideological climate is headed.

>>78448532
>By that point they will have been dehumanized and nobody will mind if they get exterminated, judging by current direction political and ideological climate is headed.
I consider that 'political instability' and something to be avoided

I think our country needs to enforce its borders by (lethal) force.

>>78448593
Well I consider it deplorable but that won't change the popular sentiment.
Bottom line is you don't need to worry about welfare state bringing the country down. The concept will die before that happens.

>>78445540
Holy shit, this.
Excellent post.

Someone needs to do the cheap labor. The US also needs more people to stay relevant and natural born Americans don't seem very keen in producing children. To rage against immigrants is the plight of someone who doesn't understand economics at all.

Their country of origin is actually quite diverse. All these asian and Indian immigrants help to maintain English language homogeny.

I'm sure he unironically hates arabs.

>>78448867
t. Mateo Gonzalez

American birth rates are rebounding, like they've done cyclically since the 1890s. This doom and gloom about imminent demographic collapse is just a spic canard to convince us to let you stay (hint: you have to go back)

>>78445367
>>78445540

My country was flooded by immigrants (even more than the US), and what did we get?

Great food, great woman and some really skilled workers. We have really big Japanese, German, Polish, Lebanese and Chinese communities, and their entrance lowered the price of manual labor. It was good for the country, and made us better. I'm not saying we are paradise on earth or anything like that, but from what I've saw, it was a good thing for us.

Now we're getting a lot of Haitians, bolivians and syrians, the bolivians are actually waaaay too proud and don't want to work on shit, but the Haitians I've met work hard, they want to do their shit but they are having to deal with the brazilian racism (which does exist, it is just more....implicit), and the syrians are doing ok, we always welcomed arab immigrants, their food is already part of our culture, we have mosques and shit, they do their thing and make hummus and kebab and get extremely rich by their 3rd generation because those guy can negotiate really well.


But yes, I think some filters are needed, but those filters have to be directioned to those who really aren't fit to live in a society (criminals of the worst type, radicalized religious people, etc.), the rest? As long as they work, I'll support it.

>>78448967
This is pretty low tier bait friend

>>78446726
>WMAF makes me kind of uncomfortable as well, don't know why /pol/ has such a fetish for them other than betas not being choosers.
I definitely get the vibe in a lot of cases that the guy just gave up and took an easier route. I also think for some people it's a fetish.

>>78449067
Your country is literally a warzone though. Becoming like Brazil is a doom scenario.

>>78449067
>the bolivians are actually waaaay too proud and don't want to work on shit
Proud of what? Being from one of the shittiest countries in South America?

ps: One thing you guys have to deal with and we (brazilians) don't have is the diversity of people.

I've lived in Europe for 2 years doing my masters, and I was amazed by how homogeneous you guys were. Here in Brazil it is possible to have a black, an asian, a white guy and some latino-types (like bolivians) at the same table and all of them will have the same nationality. If a situation like that happens in Europe, they're probably from different countries. It was really strange for me to see populations so homogeneous.

>>78448867
>Someone needs to do the cheap labor. The US also needs more people to stay relevant
Yeah it's called automation and machines don't have a ton of kids who do shit I'm school after I get raped on taxes to pay for their ebt and education. They also don't commit crime.

http://nypost.com/2017/02/05/inside-amazons-robot-run-supermarket-that-needs-just-3-human-workers/

>>78449153
Not that much. Rio de Janeiro is like that though, I'll give you that. But places like Belo Horizonte, Curitiba, Brasília have really good standards of living. Cities like Putten exist in Brazil, for example. They are the exception? Yes. But we're getting better little by little.

Fuck, we implemented the EU roaming plan years ago in a waaaaaaay bigger scale, and while the mobile plan isn't as good as Switzerland's, it is still really good. That's an achievement. We have a public free healthcare system which works in most of Brazil, and yes, it has really bad problems in some locations (mainly on the bigger capitals, like São Paulo), it works well in the countryside.

>>78444904
All memes aside, I think immigration is great.
Germany and Europe in general have a negative population growth, if we want to stay relevant in the ever-changing world, we need to rely on highly qualified immigrants from developing nations

>>78444904
Should be allowed, regulated and controlled
Allow the maximum movement possible between the constraints of the native-immigrant sweetspot for successful integration, and resources the government can spare towards such an end
Help the integration process, ensure no ghettoes or subcultures form
Make them one of us, not a stranger living in our house

We should only accept people with the skills in demand openly, the rest will be a very restricted number

>>78448867
>Someone needs to do the cheap labor.
Yeah, machines. You're not necessary anymore Garcia.

>>78449694
This

>>78448867
Who do you think does this cheap labour in places that have no minorities? The idea that there are jobs whites or citizens won't do is retarded.

>>78449529
>Germany and Europe in general have a negative population growth
So pay German citizens to have children. Either you pay a financial expense or you pay a social expense (importing third worlders who degrade German culture)

If you choose the latter, you're basically saying Germany is a cultureless economic zone no better than Hong Kong or Macau or some other hypercapitalist non-entity. Keeping one's culture is worth paying taxes.

>>78449825
In the Netherlands most cheap labour is done by....students.

You can just walk into an office of a temp agency and you will have a job within 10 minutes. When I studied law I worked as someone directing cars to their parking spot, made sandwiches, worked in storage etc.

And yet foreigners still cant get a job.

>>78449529
The only reason people (mostly politicians who cant afford discontent) are so worried about the shifting demographics is because of social security

>>78449854
>So pay German citizens to have children.
We tried it, it doesn't work. Mind you, in Germany it is currently not such a big problem, since we get a lot of qualified immigrants from other EU countries, but they probably wont stay forever, so we need to ger immigrants from developing nations aswell

>importing third worlders who degrade German culture
i find this view rather strange, coming from American. After all, your country made the historical experiance of melting pot, people from different countries adopting american culture and identity.

>>78449997
that worries me too. I am 29 now, and i am not really sure if i will get any retirement money once i am old

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>>78449825
>The idea that there are jobs whites or citizens won't do is retarded.
Yeah, people forget that supply-side economics also affects labor. If companies aren't willing to pay a reasonable wage for a certain job, that's their fault.

The case of "immigrants doing jobs whites don't want to" boils down to information asymmetry and possibly a sticker price shock on the part of a fresh immigrant from some developing country, who has always lived on $4/hour in their old country. They see the minimum wage is $10 in most US states and think "wow! I can be rich!" without understanding that cost of living is much higher here. That's the information asymmetry.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/08/heres-how-much-you-would-need-to-make-to-afford-housing-in-your-state/

An American who was born here knows that they sure as fuck can't live on minimum wage, because wages have stagnated so much here since the 1970s and inflation has eaten anyway EVERYTHING the working class needed to gain. That is why working class Americans don't throw themselves at 9$/hour jobs.

>>78449383
literally all those cities are more dangerous than Rio

>>78449991
It's often the same here. Many seasonal agriculture jobs that urban Americans seem to think are only done by brown people are done by students.
Most kids first car here was bought by raking blueberries for a couple summers.

>>78444953
this

>>78444998
>real "immigrants" that come here to work, like poles or romanians are welcome. leeches are not.
>romanians
>work

>>78450787
fuck off, racist

>>78450151
>After all, your country made the historical experiance of melting pot, people from different countries adopting american culture and identity.
Except the fact that these third worlders were made into slaves and not citizens, preventing any raping and pillaging.

>>78450870
The "Melting pot" metaphor became mainstream in 1908, way after slavery was abolished

>>78444904
That's a pretty broad and complicated subject, to just have a singular absolute opinion on, don't you think?

>>78451002
and americans couldn't let brown people in by law till 1965

>>78451087
what about italian-americans?

>>78444904
Diversity is our strength tbhfamlam

>>78450151
>i find this view rather strange, coming from American.
Because I'm telling you from personal experience. The USA is a cultureless vapid wasteland based only on pure capitalism. It's unfulfilling, because capitalism doesn't generate culture -- it always tries to widen its market, always to the maximum audience size, and dilutes the intellectual and cultural value of everything it touches. Case in point, look at how the internet has changed from 1995 to 2017; before, it was a lively mannered place composed of scientists, university students, and other innovative people. Now, it's a disgusting lowest-common-denominator wasteland of social media, video game let's players/streamers, Buzzfeed top 10 gif-laden "articles," and all sorts of other garbage. The widening of the market and the inclusion of mass audiences ruined any culture that the internet formed in its very short early history from the late 80s to 90s.

Back to the original topic, I don't identify with my countrymen anymore. According to research, increased diversity reduces trust, which spills into all sorts of tertiary categories like civic engagement, voting, relations with one's neighbors, etc. You can read for yourself here:

http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/?page=4

As illegal immigrants have flooded into my country, I've fallen into this same exact trap. I no longer give a shit about the people I see on the street. And now that I'm trying to start my own business, all I see them as now are walking money bags, not neighbors. I wish I did, but that's the way it is. I don't trust the people around me, so they exist only for me to exploit. "Buy my shit and leave me alone." That's not a community.

You don't know what you have until it is gone. You don't want to become the Special Economic Zone USA.

>>78451177
Weren't we talking about third worlders here?

>>78451221
the brazilian anon talked about brown people

>>78446525
But not India.

And no there have not. Fucking Shan Chinese aren't "Indian" even though they've been in the Indian subcontinent for millennia.

>>78451220
>before, it was a lively mannered place composed of scientists, university students, and other innovative people. Now, it's a disgusting lowest-common-denominator wasteland of social media, video game let's players/streamers, Buzzfeed top 10 gif-laden "articles," and all sorts of other garbage.
There are still places on the internet for scientists and university students. It just became mainstream and more accessible to normal people. And I would argue that this way, internet culture is beeing created, something that simply didnt exist in 1995, at least not on that level

>>78444904
fuck off we're full

>>78444939
Aslong as they're legal.

>>78451177
The law that prevented brown people to move to the USA was made specifically to stop Italian and Slavic immigration.

Paradoxically, spics were exempt from this law and COULD move to Burgerland. I don't know what their reasoning was.

>>78449773
lucky for us everyone we got were 15 year olds with multiple degrees.

>>78450827
>Romanians are a race

>>78444904
Europeans and anglo countries yes
Anyone else no

>>78452423
>lucky
it was engineered by your government, although some immigrants might self-select self-exempt themselves from frozen weather or swamps (is there a term in Finnish for frozen swamps?)

>>78452863
maaseutu

>>78444904
Everyone who I've seen/heard trying to push for no-borders policy has been stuck-up, pampered bitch who has lived sheltered life with no worries or (mainly a woman) who just parrots people and succumbs to peer pressure.
Anyone who pushes for no borders policy should be sent to Swedish no-go zone and live there for two years.

>>78451490
Why not? Being 'Indian' is kind of a meme tier civic nationality anyway.

>>78446570
Someone remind me how many millions lives it took?

Immigrants are allowed in for two reasons:
1. Reciprocation. We want to be able to move or get humanitarian help if need be, so we all agree to allow SOME immigration.
2. When the immigrant is likely to benefit the host. For instance people with lots of money or that are highly skilled in some particular field. They benefit us and thus we want them to come here.

Any other reason, at least in a state with a massive welfare system, is illegitimate and unfair to the people already living there.

So while we can all empathize with people wanting to make a better future for themselves and their children, that alone DOES NOT grant them any rights whatsoever to come live in my country. I think we all would want the world to be a better place, where people didn't have to live in poverty or suffer needlessly under power hungry assholes. But acting as though that wasn't the case is not going to make things better, in fact it's actively making things worse.

>>78444904
some are good, most are barbarians

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>>78450151
>that worries me too. I am 29 now, and i am not really sure if i will get any retirement money once i am old
Never trust government, they have no obligation to do that. Start saving and planning for retirement. Government is not to be trusted and should be always faced with suspicion, that's why 2nd Amendment in theory is great because it keeps politicians on their toes because they dont have monopoly on power.

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>>78453587
Jews are evil.

>>78451220
this just sounds like American culture

Australia is very diverse and we don't have those problems

>>78451490
"""India""" as a country is a recent invention

>>78453181
>>78454032
Correct

"India" was developed by British-educated Indians in the 1800's.

Shan Chinese are literally Chinese people who call themselves Chinese but happen to live on the very eastern edge of the Indian subcontinent.

I just don't understand why so many people think concepts (Indian subcontinent, East Asia, Middle East) developed in the 1800's by white people reflect and determine reality.