>wake up >argentina and brazil have unified South America wat do

Die from socialism

these countries don't have influence to unify South America. both are failed socialist shitholes.

>>78417172
Shitpost on /int/

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>>78417209
>Brazilian economy goes down
>every single South American economy goes down
uhm..

>>78417252
>Mercosur goes down
ftf

>>78417281
>implying Chile, Peru and Colombia are totally exempt from our influence
They are free market as in free market that accepts money and influence from any country

>>78417331
You are really over estimating your influence lad
They are not Venezuela or Bolivia.

>>78417395
do you remember odebrecht or even petrobrás corruption schemes that were investigated by Moro? They were in each and every single one of those countries

>>78417431
Its not like corruption is endemic to you or us right?
To have influence over other nations you first need to have trade dominance over them
And you don't Mr Overpriced electronics
As I said, Colombia Chile & Peru are not that influenced by you in the Same level Paraguay, Bolivia are

>>78417537
>Its not like corruption is endemic to you or us right?
The difference is that both Odebrecht and Petrobrás are both state-led and were basically the arm of our state in expanding our influence. Also influence isn't everything about economy, you can influentiate other nations with military, culture, corruption and other factors. Thinking economy is the only way to influentiate other nations is to think like a pro-US globalization shill. We influentiate both Chile and Peru with these companies and by supporting the parties that back our country in their elections, like Bachelet. Sure these two countries along with Colombia got a really high US presence hence why it's harder to influentiate them like Mercosur, but you can't ignore our presence them and our intentions, hence why the NSA hacked so much Petrobrás and Dilma

>>78417172
nothing cause its just a sad dream from a hue. Only Simon Bolivar and Hugo Chavez could have done that

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>>78417924
Well Lula did create UNASUR and this whole South America influence policy and he is returning in 2018

>>78418029
Unasur suffers from the Mercosur syndrome
Too much political talk zero actions

>>78418072
Well they approved ID travel troughtout all the continent along with the creation of Bank of the South. And it was founded in 2008. If anything that is a huge progress for something so new

>>78418140
Pacific Alliance has done more in less years with far less resources.
If Mercosur has done anything is to make trade between you shrink

>>78418189
Again thinking economy is the only thing that matters is to think like a US-shill, it's an ideological cultural union, trade union is a thing that will happen, but not the final objective like NAFTA or Alianza del Pacifico which is basically a buffer for NAFTA and the deceased TTIP

>>78418140
the ID travel was approved through a Mercosur article before, with non-members signing anyways as associated states, and the Bank of the South has no relevancy
In fact the whole Unasur has no actual say on national matters, it just makes it easier to negotiate stuff between member states, and fuck if I want to finance the Venezuelan government, or any other government, actually

>>78418304
We have ID travel South America wide when before it was only Mercosur wide

>>78418361
So ID travel wasn't even a UNASUR thing to begin with

carry on with my day as usual

>>78418425
Yes, Unasur is basically the project of what is Mercosur but to the whole South America. Hence why Bolivia is joining Mercosur and Venezuela was in Mercosur, it's to slowly enlarge Mercosur and unify both CAN and Mercosur into one thing and make Unasur relevant. It's just like the EU in its beginnings

>>78418361
are there coming venezuelan refugees via that?

>>78418528
yeap, but they can't work, they need to get refugee status to be able to work

>>78418554
>>78418528
or work visa like normal immigrants

>>78418504
>Bolivia is joining Mercosur
See Mercosur has become nothing but a political echo chamber for the Latin american left

>>78418597
Well we want to have projection of our own culture and not solely be a US puppet like Mexico is

>>78418630
"no"
I'm not interested in having someone else's culture, customs, or economy over here, neither do I want to finance it. We've had corrupt politicians joining the useless Unasur parliament just to avoid prosecution. If anything, I'm starting to hate that pseudo union more and more

>>78418630
Please don't shit on your own thread by going full damage control
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_1qF2JeEBQ
Stop wasting your potential lad.

Mercosur is just a big "free" trade zone. They wanted it to be like some sort of EU but that would be very traumatic for the smaller countries, i.e. not brazil.

>>78418725
Corruption is going to exist not mattering what you do my friend
>>78418727
>he ignores my argument
>but believes I am in damage control
ah yes, the power of propaganda, keep going my friend
>>78418764
>i.e. not brazil.
and Argentina

>>78418844
What argument?
>US puppet?
Not an argument
We can say the absolute same with you and China
You are far too gone into the Mercosur propaganda, you have no trade with your partners because you are full retarded protectionism
And still with that you pretend to have influence over other?

>>78418764
the difference from the EU and a future union in South America is that we share cultural aspects that make it possible for every country to share richness and not let it concentrate in one single country like Germany in the EU. Germany dominance comes from the fact that the German people are drones and willing to lose rights for their nation meanwhile Southern Europe isn't. Meanwhile Latin America is the opposite since all countries are similar in this aspect and share the same catholic southern european work values which would make it easy to create a common legislation for all countries

>>78418948
>We can say the absolute same with you and China
Does China actually have industries and multinationals here in Brazil? Does China controls our elections? Does China wants our worker force to be as cheap as possible so they manufacture cheap goods here and sell to the Chinese people? No, you are so biased towards the US that I am honestly suspecting you are American. All your parties in Mexico support NAFTA and the US to the point of selling your culture and make your people poorer just for gaining US monies, meanwhile here every single one except maybe PSDB/DEM support our independence and our capitalists. If that isn't an argument I don't know what it is

>>78419093
>Does China actually have industries and multinationals here in Brazil?
No but we do lol
> Does China controls our elections?
Your own corruption does
>. All your parties in Mexico support NAFTA
Well yes it boosts our economy and gives us access to foreign tech, there is nothing wrong with making money from our stuff, going full protectionists has lead you to you negative growth in the recent years

sopa

>>78417172
kill myself

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>>78417331
Brazil doesn't represent even 3% of our imports. Even the netherlands is a bigger commercial partner for us than Brazil. If anything, we BENEFIT from you going down as we can get cheaper imports from you therefore benefitting your economy

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>>78419223
>Your own corruption does
For our own interests
>going full protectionists has lead you to you negative growth in the recent years
yes, yes keep spreading misinformation my friend, look at the graph, we started protectionism in 2002, and look we clearly haven't grown anything! Clearly the only way for growth is to be a cuck of a foreign power and make your population and culture miserable

>>78419320
As I said here, economy isn't everything, also Colombia is the country in South America we have less influence due to the American Bases there

>>78418844
>and Argentina
No. We were the ones against more integration. Particularly the argentine sugar industry.
>>78418978
The diferences are in orders of magnitude. The EU took 50 years of work in total to accomplish, and took a lot of trial and error. In Latin america you can't do that, the consequences for failing just once are catastrophic.

>>78419458
>For our own interests
You are clearly retarded
> make your population and culture miserable
Yours is worst than any of Alianza members
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdH2vwuqlTk

>argentina and brazil
So... Brazil did it.

>>78419522
>Yours is worst than any of Alianza members
How come, do we immigrate in mass to any of those countries like you do to the US if life is so good there? I mean we do border Peru and Chile is really easy to get there. I mean NO ONE can live without buying a cheap PS4 or eletronics from the US, i mean everyone needs to play persona 5 to live by

>>78417331
In 6 years of existence alianza del pacifico is alreary more relevant than mercosur

>>78419507
>In Latin america you can't do that, the consequences for failing just once are catastrophic.
how come?

>>78419691
No offense m8, but alianza del pacifico has a MUCH brighter future than Mercosur. Even Argentina is lobbying to enter. Panama and CR too. You can't compare our stability to yours

>>78419691
>do we immigrate in mass to any of those countries
That's because they invited us in the past, and these days migration is less than net 0
> I mean NO ONE can live without buying a cheap PS4 or eletronics from the US, i mean everyone needs to play persona 5 to live by
Here we go damage control again
You are really going to justify that for the same car you would have to pay up to 10k USD more just because MUH Brazilian sovereignty
Also, we are a nation at war, you are not, you are sill far more violent than we are
>inb4 its only niggers

>>78419813
>but alianza del pacifico has a MUCH brighter future than Mercosur
how come? due to trade? trade isn't everything you know?
>Even Argentina is lobbying to enter.
They won't if we don't join, and we won't because we have a global national industry to care for different from your countries
>>78419814
>You are really going to justify that for the same car you would have to pay up to 10k USD more just because MUH Brazilian sovereignty
Yes, also because it generates jobs to our country because these factories are inside our country and these companies built cars for our own market based on our own fuels and our own needs like Alcohol-powered cars that are made from sugar cane which gives us tons of jobs everywhere. I know I know you don't give a fuck about your country and your people and solely wants it to become sandbox for multinationals with a weak government and disregard your own people for profit and for the rich class to consume cheap luxury goods like Cars, Electronics and other stuff

>>78420004
fucking hell. I thought argies were arrongant but you give them a run for their money, m8. You can't be this ignorant and dense. At this rate we're on path to surpass you on the gdp per capita department before 2020, lad. Trade is not the sole factor, but is hugely relevant. No one wants to live in a protectionist isolated inflation ridden shithole

>>78418844
>Corruption is going to exist not mattering what you do my friend
I know. But it's annoying enough to fund our own politicians' schemes, let alone an entire continent worth of it.

>>78417172
nothing because South America has never made any difference to my life in any way

>>78420108
> At this rate we're on path to surpass you on the gdp per capita department before 2020, lad
Nah you won't because 2018 is coming. Also your country is much smaller than ours and your wealth like Chile gets concentrated in the hands of a few making GDP per capita obsolete for comparison.
>No one wants to live in a protectionist isolated inflation ridden shithole
It seems like 200 million brazilians do and half of South America too

>>78420192
> It seems like 200 million brazilians do and half of South America too
Those countries have been going downhill quick

> 2018 is coming
My sidess >>78419286

>>78417172
I want to see local power like BR, ARG, TH, IND, PL, TRK become superpower one day. What are the chances?

>>78420244
>Those countries have been going downhill quick
Every single one of these countries had an enourmous growth from 2002-2014.
>Lula winning again
exactly

>>78420348
> what is "la década ganada" in Argentina
> What is Venezuela?
> What was recession in Brazil?
B-but true socialism has never been tried before

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>>78420348
>Every single one of these countries had an enormous growth from 2002-2014.
My fucking sides

>>78420403
You are just proving my point, you are just analyzing it shallow, as if it was politics fault and not really the international commodity market going down due to US pressure in Russia after Syria and Ukraine. But yeah the fault obviously is due to socialism, I mean bad things happens solely because of communism

>>78420491
>he can't read
good keep embarassing yourself

>>78420496
> commodity market
Explain chile, which basically bases its entire income on copper and lithium. Explain Colombia, which managed to grow 3% despite oil prices tanking by 75% at its lowest dip

>>78420496
the 2002-2014 was the comodities boom, it's not that the governments at the time were doing everything perfectly, it's that the prices for shit produced here went through the roof
and a bunch of economist have said Argentina in particular had that as the best period on international context of its entire history, to the point that, if the government wasn't so pants on head retarded, we could be twice as rich today
the high prices only meant that the government fuck ups were atenuated
Cristina Kirchner for example. She went from being elected president in 2011 by 54% of votes on the first round, to barely even contesting a senator position on Buenos Aires province, historically the stronghold of her party. And also losing on her own province, that her and her party have been managing for 30 years

>>78420590
>>78420590
because you are submitted to the US financial market, also the commodity market suffered heavy losses in oil and aluminum and some other resources Russia base their economy not copper and lithium. The thing about the world economy is a constant struggle for power and monopoly over markets, and since you and Chile are already part of the US-led globalization economy there is no point in hitting you guys, if anything they want you to be the example to Latin America as the role model like people always spam here on int. Why? Because it promotes Chilean people's culture? Because it solves Chilean problems? No, because it gives global capitalists money and further power, which control the global media and the global youth conscience nowadays

>>78420890
bro, Venezuela sells MOST of its oil to the USA. You argument is goddamn flawed

>>78420780
> if the government wasn't so pants on head retarded, we could be twice as rich today
To be quite frank, economists and the media will always say that no matter how well we grow, because they follow a political agenda that is the opposite of what Argentina and Brazil is doing. They need always to pass this non content feeling as if there is always something wrong to make people unrest, even if things are fine or the best ever, they will always say things are not fine or not as they were supposed to be
>>78421064
Yes and the US controls the price, so? If they want to bankrupt maduro and take over Venezuela state oil company for themselves, what they can do? Simply make the oil price go down, create civil unrest and depose maduro

>>78421144
ahhh yes, m-muh conspiracy theories. Surely OPEC, gulf states and asian countries have no control over oil pricces

Me chupa un huevo el pbi, el ipc y el Imac. Argentina y Brazil siempre tuvieron gobiernos títere del imperio reinante. Nunca van a unificar nada, podrían destruir algún proceso incómodo para el estatus quo, como ya lo han hecho. El Mercosur es una mentira. Ninguno en la región tiene razones para estar orgulloso de nuestros gobiernos ni de las alianzas económicas hechas por estos. Vos comes pbi??

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>>78417172
>argentina

>>78422899
>Thailand

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>>78422377
como pbi per capita yo

>>78417172
still would be a third world shithole so who cares

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>>78417172
>commie looking flag

>>78417252

we have absolutely no ties with Brazil whatsoever

and our economy is not "down"

>>78417172
as long as the p*rt*g*s* language is banned

hablen español hijosderemilputa
q se hacen los yanquees
encima se putean en ingles y no tiene gracia

>>78431768
Bachelet was unironically one of the main supporters of UNASUR

>>78417172
Wipe my dirty asshole with a fucking leaf.

>>78417252
no one outside mercosur cares about Brazil

>>78419458
>Colombia is the country in South America we have less influence due to the American Bases there
in the whole north no one cares about Brazil at all, maybe Peru too

>>78435763
we do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>78436089
yeah, that's why you're part of mercosur