/brit/

FUCK THIS GENERAL

>>78393532
fuck you

fuming

*ahem*

I find the best way to instigate conversation is to direct a sentence at one person in particular at a time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc-DgRO1SrQ

*ahem*

I find the best way to instigate conversation is to direct a sentence at one person in particular at a time

>>78393506
/brit/ is a Mosley general

summer gimmicks are terrible

brb

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alri lads haha

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Turkey

*sniff*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMqQBLZwRIE

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>>78396605

Don't get this new instigate gimmick

don't understand it don't like it

>Expedia is committed to creating an inclusive work environment with a diverse workforce. All qualified applicants will receive consideration for employment without regard to race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, national origin, disability or age.

Where can I cash in my white privilege cheque?? I'm disappointed by the return on investment to be honest lads I was told that cis white male cards are quite valuable on the jobs market.

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had long hair when I was younger and the assistant teacher in school said 'are you ladies okay' when I was sat next to some girl in my class
it still haunts me

>>78396544
Weed came in two years later, they were the guys who failed their few next years but just about managed to pass their exams

>>78396614

What type of dog is this?

test cricket

fuck wh*te people

*pulls down my pants and spreads my bumcheeks exposing my hairy arsehole to you all*

>>78396635
had long thin hair and looked like a ludicrous runt when i was 12

>>78396661
I know you like it you cunt
Fuck up about now, unless you tell me who was captain against SA right now

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AAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

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>>78396579
if it was datura you'd sure as fuck know about it (though not at the time)
i think dph might be similar but nowhere near as strong

>>78396706
Jolly dee anon, your shagging tonite

Antifas are highly opinionated communist thugs and criminals trying to pretend they have legitimacy to say who should be able to speak, who should be able to gather and who should be able to not have violence initiated on them based on arbitrary factors

>If you're not with me you're a nazi too

We have justice to find out who is a threat to society and who isn't, antifas are not my justice.

I will always side with the ones engaging in debate and capable of reaching an "agree to disagree, let's separate" approach, and so far the ones threatening that at the moment are the left.

And I will never condemn any violence in retribution for the initiation of violence, unless it is highly excessive in the response.

So far nothing to condemn. Proportionally-wise, bike lock attack not being lethal was just a matter of luck, killing someone in response, even if false flag, is not something I will lose my sleep for.

life quality improved since I deprogrammed my patriarchical beliefs

>>78396624
I'm sorry, but does he have a mental illness or something?

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the fit

>>78396706
be yourself broooo

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>>78396682
mine wasn't thin but I still looked like a right twat
was always scared to go to the barbers because teachers people I knew in school would probably stare and say 'you cut your hair XD' and shit

>>78396762
>gif
fuck off

is bumble better than tinder

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business idea: anarcho-primitivism

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*enters thread*

>>78396614
your cat's a fat cunt mate, sort it

>>78396789
bit racist

lads, what if poo came out of our willies

>>78396762
had glasses too

>>78396789
she looks extremely qt on the right

>>78396789
need a wild gf

>>78396817
thats how black people are born

Back in Primary (Year 5) school our friend told us that he had sex in a closet. I was so sheltered I couldn't comprehend it and didn't believe him.
Looking back now yeah he was telling the truth.

Honestly kinda messed up.

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Ah yes, summer

>>78396817
Maybe we'd grow to like it, in fact maybe it would make our dongs bigger

hated it at the time but got to say I miss early 2017 happenings /brit/ and dare I say it even general election /brit/

I expect I'm banned am I janny

have you fucking banned me have you?

>>78396789
imagine how hairy and stanky her gash must be

>>78396834
i reckon it was you and not your pal and youve just suppressed it
was it with your dad

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>>78396635
>tfw had long hair for a while
>tfw a girl once came up to me to touch it
>tfw got told i looked like thor

>>78393506
my lad is in london and just send me a vid on sc of some poor lad getting his head bashed in

>>78396854
bet you didnt actually look like thor though.

in a mood
leave me alone
i don't want to talk

>>78396872
u ok hun x

So fucking gassed for wroetoshaw's diss track to drop tomorrow
need that nigger ksi dead and buried

>>78396834
obligatory "nonce"
also what the fuck

>>78396789
>a month
>losing 50 pounds

This is basically natural selection in process desu. 2 months without modern shit and she'd be dead. This goes to show you how successful our hunter and gatherer ancestors

>>78396854
nah
>ewwwwww it's greasy ewwwww

honestly can't decide which is worse: weebs or furries; though now that I think about it there is a possible overlap between the two

Can anyone believe that labour mp's article? Pointing out that there are Pakistani rape gangs? Mad hateful stuff eh

>>78396854
And what was the moment when you realized she was lying because she just liked you like?

>>78396789
honestly would've kept driving because i couldn't bear the hassle, not being a prick i mean i just hate having to deal with stressful stuff

dog keeps making urging noises

wish she would just go to sleep

>>78396893
>2 months without modern shit and she'd be dead
her modern diet consisted primarily of basic carbs and so when she was in the wild her body went into ketosis. No reason to think she couldnt survive for longer like this

I find the best way to instigate conversation is to direct a sentence at one person in particular at a time

>>78396889
just sent this to JJ

>>78396834
>closet
foy

>>78396854
did you catch some pussy?

>>78396849
No but sorta related my dad used to believe that my mum and her friends molested me as a kid.

>>78396868
well i have blonde hair and blue eyes so
>>78396894
i kept it clean
>>78396917
no girl has ever liked me

>>78396893
how is it natural selection if she survived and her fatty modern diet is what made her survive

>>78396903
think antifa needs to send a left-wing tolerance squad round her house to re-educate her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deaARvQ7QFo

>>78396927
It seems like she didn't know the basics of animal behavior. Trapping game and baiting fish is incredibly easy

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>>78396934
no still a KHHV

>>78396953
if you can survive on berries for a full month then you can probably survive pretty much indefinitely. Trapping game would introduce the variable of cooking meat/food poisoning

>>78396941
You don't know that tbf anon, never knew either.
Two girls asked me out all in all, said no twice, one was from Hawaii and the other was black

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hate myself and want to die

unkempt thick shoulder-length hair and a parka

liked to think I was a mod despite going to secondary school in the 00s

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>This is basically natural selection in process desu. 2 months without modern shit and she'd be dead. This goes to show you how successful our hunter and gatherer ancestors

>>78396973
You only get poisoned if you don't know how to cook the meat properly. She can also steal a baby and raise it to produce clean meat

>>78396953
>>78396973
you're both retarded, just for different reasons. this topic's stupid anyways so stop talking about it, i don't like it

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/brit/, is this true? Why don't the British people respect the most prestigious law school on the planet?

doing a listen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NorgJ0zivAA

>>78396894
>>78396854
>ERRRRRRRRGH, NITS

Honestly it's fucking infuriating. My mum always buys me fucking salad with our takeaways, even when I tell her not to. MUM, IT'S NOT HEALTHY. IT'S JUST FUCKING MORE CALORIES UGHH. And she acts all disappointed when I don't eat it, the dull cunt.

>>78397022
fuck off you fat gimp
have alerted the boys and they'll be dropping you off in the wilderness shortly... i'll see you there

>>78397026
>Piers Morgan
just disregard everything this moron says

that wilderness survival film with antony hopkins and alec baldwin is really good. would recommend.

QUT
U
T

>>78397026
You gotta realize that most Europeans live in a sort of bubble where their governments produce massive amounts of propaganda aimed against the USA. MThe average American lives like a minor European noble

>>78397026
not very christian of him

>>78397057
Was litterally thinking that
>"we Brits"
Fucking fuck off

>>78396993
is that your style to this day?

Hate yanks
Love dixie

>>78396963
whats the second H?

dad just gave me a small business loan of a million dollars

>>78397058
ye its a good one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYx2teRxnvw

>>78397096
harmless

>>78397049
you'll literally die of fright the moment you detect my presence so good luck

pirate scumbags

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Toil in less than 2 hours

>>78397026
the brit seems to be right about the intellect of that american guy, i mean the proud harward alumni assumes that his *british* Interlocutor got degree from "*america*'s got talent"

dont come to barnstaple if you dont want your jaw vaporised.

>>78397125
why are you here?

>>78397125
mexicANO is that you?

>>78397096
handholdless

>>78397146
i think its the mexican using a proxy

>>78397121
nigger slave, you are a fucking descendant of slaves

After gorging myself for two days the back of my knee area and chest side have sort of been "pulsing". Anyone tell me what this is?

>>78397157
dire

where my exeter man at
wonford reppin

>>78397175
gout

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>>78393506
Alri

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Someone posted this fat arse yesterday. Can that person please step forward and provide a name

>>78397175
Pulsing as in twitching?
Some little parts of muscle twitch on my body sometimes.
Happens on my thighs most of the time

might get pissed and do no essay tonight

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>>78397148
>>78397157
fuck off

>>78397219
> BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP

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roger, we have a lock. engaging house

>>78397224
definitely the mexican. you're crazy man but i love you

https://youtu.be/gdhdAktIHtg?t=2m8s

what the FUCK are they even saying

>>78397224
if we took Hispaniola Haiti wouldn't be such a shithole today

Alri off for a wank, wish me good luck lads cheers alri

>someone makes a Nazi edition
>no one bats an eye

>I make an ironic commie general
>everyone spergs out and leave for a new thread, in flagrant violation of the rules

Mind explaining this?

*smiles at you from across the room*

Fucking lightning keeps turning my 'net off.

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>>78397286

>>78397265
did medical grade nos at a semi-legal techno night underneath a hells angels pub once. was pretty mental.

>>78397220
Yeah twitching is also accurate

>>78397280

fuck off

>>78397223
If you want to get drunk at least list some key points you are going to get across in the little story you want to write.

>>78397219
I doubt you'll get a name, it looks like the sort of thing that gets posted on Reddit's NSFW boards all the time. You might get a username if you search long enough.

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Just me and my siblings

>>78397302
great, can you translate what they said please

>>78397280
People prefer fascists to communists

>>78397280
/brit/ is a rorke general

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>>78397274
leave us alone anglo

>>78397304
Have no idea what makes it happen, have you looked it up?
Interests me now

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IT AIN'T ME

>>78397320
no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwaJcZnR7us

>British WW2 vet
>moves to Canada
>descendant is black

CANNOT FABRICATE

How do you view 4chan?

For me, it's a nice break away from the mundane and the ordinary.

As much shitposting as does go on here, at least it's original.

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the new /int/-uniform

>>78397329
go away frenchie, sick of seeing you here, get a life loser

Can't get a wink of sleep so I'm drinking

>>78397377
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHxqnRg29PY

>>78397356
It makes me feel like I have friends even if they're mostly retarded

>>78397080
Typical moronic yank post

>>78397377
check'd

>Donald trump is on the out
>Daily Stormer had to switch domain
Are rorkes on suicide watch?

>>78397026
>jew went to harvard law school
woah, guess he must have worked hard

Capitalism is simply the greatest system, if only there weren't jews, then we'd have capitalism without sex in media, political correctness, immigration, and women workers.

>>78397377
Post jammies

>>78397399
'chon users are by and large more intelligent than your average internet user

>>78397224
But we won that war, the lads who failed to take Hispaniola went on to take Jamaica. That didn't didn't stop Cromwell imprisoning the leaders in the Tower of London for failure though, lel.

In that war we also took Dunkirk. It was at the battle for Dunkirk that the British soldier first wore his iconic redcoat.

AMA about the Commonwealth of England.

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Reverend Joseph Wolff was a Bavarian Jew who had converted to successively to Catholicism, Lutheranism and finally Anglicism.

After being ordained a minister at Cambridge, the Reverend Wolff had set off to Asia to find the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel and to covert all the peoples of Asia to the Church of England.

In 1843 Wolff went to Bukhara to seek two British officers, Lieutenant Colonel Charles Stoddart and Captain Arthur Conolly who had been captured by the Emir, Nasrullah Khan in June 1842.

They had in fact been executed, and as Wolff later described, he was only spared death himself because the Emir laughed uncontrollably at Wolff's appearance.

>>78397375
Going to Spain tomorrow
What are you doing tomorrow you cunt
Also, I'm English

>>78397408
>>78397421
go back to your garden shed of a house

this dominican lad is giving people (You)s, he can't be the mexicano

>>78397433
In my underwear sorry

>>78397454
AJAJAJAJAJA PIRATA

>>78397466
Post undies

>>78397447
idc

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MYSTERY NIGGAS

i like brits but man your accents are really, really obnoxious desu

>>78397280
cant tolerate any ironic leftypol bullshit la

>>78397434
I genuinely hope no one here actually believes this.

>>78397475
undeveloped maxilla
negative cantal tilt

>>78397493
Same to you except I despise Yanks

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>>78397490
MENTIONED

>>78397467
get a load of this monkey mimicking sudacas

monkey see monkey do

>>78396670
>>78396731
>>78396789
>>78397366
>>78397408
>>78397421
>>78397467
>>78397475
>>78397497
>>78397505
>>78397522
*grabs you by the swussy*

The new lucozade formula is dirt

what where they thinking

>>78397356
>at least it's original
heh yeah lad

*does a poo*

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>>78397475
I don't think she'd like this photo, it has been coloured.

pirate descendant is adressing me

>>78397377
ah yes typical mick subhuman

>>78397508
why

both our countries are filled with the same fat stupid anglo retards

>>78397528
I hope this isn't true I will be really unhappy if it is.

>>78397534
fisherman/farmer descendant, off yourself

thunderstorm on my location

>>78397453
>spain tomorrow
where in spain la

>>78397475
That pic is waved about by moronic Rorkes as an example of LE BASED BRITISH NAZI BEAUTY, but she looks like a fucking female Eggman

>>78397553
its been true for like 6 months now

one of my few joys in life ruined

>>78397548
America has no Anglos please don't spread misinformation.

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The Fourth Party was a label given to a quartet of British MPs, Randolph Churchill, Henry Drummond Wolff, John Gorst and Arthur Balfour, in the 1880–1885 parliament.

They attacked what they saw as the weakness of both the Liberal government and the Conservative opposition.

>>78397564
Santander, been there a few times already
Been to Barcelona, Segovia and Santillana del Mar

American anglo here

>>78397421
always good to be reminded that fascism is just capitalism

>>78397564
a place more developed than your unaesthetic shithole thats for sure

>>78397548
Yanks behave very differently to Brits, too enthusiastic and happy.

>>78397493
Yanks all sound like mincers trying to whistle through their nose

might kill the ol' self

>>78397605
alright, calm down chicANO

>>78397604
really depends on the type of fascism

watching some runt pick his nose in this library i'm in lads

>>78397621
Haha cya

>>78397601
has your wife fucked a nigger in front of you today yet ?

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>>78397490
white niggas

big choon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0XrGbKtmB8

>>78397635
all fascism is capitalism. even the "third positionist" falangist shit masquerading as something else.

>>78397612
i posted my accent the other day, i don't think i sound like that

Someone bomb these FUCKING price fixing gook FUCKS hiking up the prices of RAM. Fucking potato headed poofs

>>78397629
why do you post in lower case only, monkey ?

>>78397662
post it there so i can laugh

I thought Hispanics hated Spain.

absolutely hate the Irish

moreso than the Jews

>>78397612
Its better than sounding like you're whistling from your anus

>>78397662
Yanks are inherent mincers, you probably don't realise.

why do 3rd worlders come here to argue with one another

>>78397676
why do you post in lower case only...?

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going to be reading Virilio on the train tomorrow

swag on those brainlet normies with my dromology

>>78397687
poor post

you lot really do have nasal voices that would mark you as effeminate homosexual men over here

hispanics welcome
slavs go home
nordics fuck off
yanks kill yourselves

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x

NOT happy at all. I'm getting quite a few replies but for some reason the posts aren't saying (you). Honestly doing my nut in right now.

>>78397686
because your uncle got his legs blown off you aspie cunt wise up

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>going to be reading Virilio on the train tomorrow

>>78397683
we were spain's most loyal colony, we didnt rebel against them duribg the peninsular war and we helped them genocide native americans

>>78397499
proven fact lad

>>78397723
me on the left

>>78397718
Don't you you "lot" tend to grow big man-titties once you hit puberty?

>>78397697
bugger off you copycat monkey

dont get the irish hate gimmick 2bh

absolutely unnecessary, doubt any Irish haters have met an actual Irish person, just read some infographic made by a biological failure in his mothers basement on /pol/

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sue

>>78397760
no x

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>Be me
>sitting in 3rd lesson science
>trying to prove hook's law when this slag comes up to me
> Shes a munter but she'd probably twat me if I said anythin
>play it cool and ask her if she knows where the loo is
>she stares proper intense like
>she sneers at me "Its outside you gorm!"
>Its too late, Im already pissing
>its all over her blazer and reeboks
>she's drenched and screaming
>the class goes on a mad one
>get sent out for like half the lesson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5AkBBQWZR4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFe8TBhLeQQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrYL07hPw4w

the kraut wanting to take his fleshlight stuffed toy to a restaurant is my favourite of these manchild videos

> because your uncle got his legs blown off you aspie cunt wise up

> TIDDLE DEE DEE I SHUR GOT THAT AUSSIE GOOD YEEHEE YEEHAA I HAD BEST DROWN MY SORROWS NOW BEFORE ME CATHOLIC WIFE GETS HOME WITTH THE DAILY POTATO AND A BEATING FROM ME, HER DRUNK MICK MONKEY HUSBAND YAAHOO

>>78397760
pretty flag :)

>>78397752
a yank calling brits fat haha

mental

>>78397778
reckon it has a lot to do with the bombings and the fact you lot hate us 2bh

>>78397778
love west england me x

Today I learned that communism and fascism are both left wing ideas the only difference being is that communism is an international idea whilst fascism is more about nationalism

>>78397796
havent seen you post in a while lad, did the IRA make you flee your home again after witnessing these absolutely abhorrent posts?

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marxism is the new counter-culture

>>78397788
squelching at the last one

>>78397810
Why?

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>Breast reduction surgery quadruples among British men, doctor says

THIS IS NOT A DRILL /v/ IS HAVING A GOOD THREAD

>>>/v/387356409

>>78397573
don't speak ill of the dead (eggy)

new thread where?

>>78397788
ah yes the human condition

>>78397838
2nd favourite indeed

big thunderstorm upon me

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>THIS IS NOT A DRILL /v/ IS HAVING A GOOD THREAD

>>78397877
Heard you the first time

>It means something to you to put it in there?
>To masturbate into an animal?

Ja

choon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjgcku27xIk

>>78397843
estrogen in the water

So I just moved to a new city to start graduate school. My cohort is a group of 9 other girls who are really nice and I love hanging out with them. There was a welcome mixer for us and some of the other graduate students at the school, with an open bar and dancing and stuff. I went along with them and on the whole, I had a good time.

What gets me under my skin though is the fact that I'm the ugly friend. If some guy from another program walked over to us and we'd all introduce ourselves, the guy would just skip over me. This happened multiple times! Several of them didn't even look at me or bother to remember my name, even though they made the effort with all the other girls in my group.

Additionally, I just feel ugly compared to the rest of them. Prior to grad school most of my friends were guys, so I didn't compare myself appearance-wise to them. I'm a bit heavier than all the other girls in the group, I wear large glasses, and I have short hair. I personally enjoy my personal style. I realize all these things are turn-offs to men, but I always considered myself not ugly and at the very least worthy of being treated like a person!

The thing is, this shouldn't bother me anymore. I'm in a happy relationship of 4 years. But I guess I feel a bit attention starved these days because my BF started a new job, is tired all the time, and doesn't really notice me physically anymore, since we now live together. I don't feel hot. I feel like a troll.

How can I get over being 'the ugly friend'? I really like these girls and want to continue hanging out with them! But I don't want to have this lingering resentment for my situation.

────────

tl;dr: I'm not so attractive according to most men. I'm in a relationship but still feel ugly.

>>78397883
>le science black man

>>78397896
not listened to this in some time

>>78397924
Liberals did this.

>>78397839
love the pub crawl and bunratty castle x

>>78397924
america was a mistake

http://www.strawpoll.me/13721307
http://www.strawpoll.me/13721307
http://www.strawpoll.me/13721307
http://www.strawpoll.me/13721307

>>78397924
shame it wasnt a black lad or this would be the perfect image to bait yanks with

>>78397945
capitalism did it

>>78397783
we were categorically not allowed to go to the loo during lessons in primary school, but gained the privilege in secondary school.
then towards the end of secondary school we were given the privilege of eating and drinking during lessons.
still makes absolutely no sense to me, if anything it should've been the other way round.

>>78397957
Is that the one where you wipe your willy on the stone and you get magic powers?

>>78397974
>we were categorically not allowed to go to the loo during lessons in primary school

Why do germans have such a hardon for authority, fucking inhumane freaks

greed is good

>>78397962
well 2 of them failed catastrophically so I'm gonna go with capitalism haha

>>78397924
why is prom such a big deal in America

just sat outside and watched the thunderstorm xx

>>78397928
>has friends
>has boyfriend
>still finds something to complain about
huh

big fan of individualism

>>78398022
you just know this was made by a virgin for virgins

>>78398022
GOT is actually satire?

What is a "racial comment"?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40955458

desire is shaped by the Other

http://www.strawpoll.me/13722197

http://www.strawpoll.me/13722197

>>78397962
what about fascism

quite like Fanged Noumena

>>78398044
"that man over there is black"

>You'll remove the tiger from this room, I don't want it here

sqaueling

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>>78397928

ah yes the so called forever alone woman

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Nazis and Klansmen on the street. This is the picture that needs to go viral. Not jokes about Tiki torches.

>>78398057
Nowt wrong with this

>>78398007
capitalism has failed catastrophically as well it's just hidden under the guise of "wealth and development". People are starving, there's more empty houses than homeless people, massive amounts of food go to waste because we'd rather throw it in the dump than feed the hungry. People spend a majority of their lives working. Great system desu

>>78398055
never knew Sargon had been here, picked Tim for a laugh

Space echoes like an immense tomb, yet the stars still burn. Why does the sun take so long to die?

>>78398055
Lisicki's lover is Kev

>>78398088
Would appreciate it if you didn't use my strawpolls for your silly jokes thanks

>>78397843
Meanwhile America holds its steady top position for the 30th year running

>>78398087
yeah it's hidden by all these fat fucks driving around in their cars when they should be starving to death, working some field somewhere right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7YYP85qhwM

>>78398078
>the day is coming closer

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>mfw people call Trump "Drumpf" in order to mock us

>>78398093
dora this man

no lollygagging

>>78398078
Meanwhile, there are Marxist right in your television box

>>78398107
You literally cannot get through to a yank, they project like all fuck because they'd chew a shotgun if they had to face reality

>>78398111
So what? Capitalism is a shitty, depressing, oppressive system. Collectivism doesnt mean starving in a work camp.

>>78398128
m8 we make fun of ourselves all the time

relax stupid fatso

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>Meanwhile, there are Marxist right in your television box

>>78398137
the entire point is that it's quite plainly less oppressive, less depressing and less shitty than communism, otherwise WE would have collapsed and we'd all be commies

>>78398124
just checked the back of my box, couldn't see any bolsheviks in there

>>78398093
the rate of passage of time is relative my man

>>78398150
he's got a poing

desperate for a bf

>>78398162
>tfw dislike capitalism but too brainlet to think of an alternative

>>78398181
*thumps my throbbing big willy on your coffee table*

would you rather...

A. Live in a system where you HAVE to work 40 hours a week, get paid a tiny portion of the profit you're creating, and barely get by every month

or

B. Live in a system where you work and are payed based on your needs, with enough leisure time to do what you want to do, and live comfortably each month

>>78398174
Hilarious how easily these hypocrites are caught out

>>78398150
The BBC and all the big time media are owned by Jewish Marxists. It doesn't matter if they vote Corbyn or May because at the end of the day they work for the same bastard tribe.

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building a spliff

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raining again

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>>78398198
>>78398198
>>78398198

anarco-capitalist-syndicalism is the way forth

>>78398022
she is a very powerful character, her move to destroy that slavers town was an incredibly bold one, 99.99% of men wouldn't dare to do anything like that

can someone explain the clapping hands emoji to me pls

>>78398078
nazis in the streets
boyfriend's in the sheets

>>78398196
system B doesn't exist, dumb question

>>78398208
Pics

>>78397788
no way this is real. don't believe it.