/lang/ - Language Learning

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>Language learning resources:
http://4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

http://www.duolingo.com/
>Duolingo is a free language-learning platform that includes a language-learning website and app, as well as a digital language proficiency assessment exam. Duolingo offers all its language courses free of charge.

>>>/t/746368
>Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30+ languages.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk#
>Google Drive folder with books for all kinds of languages.

https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/oldfsi/index.html
>Drill based courses with text and audio.The Foreign Service Institute (FSI) is the United States federal government's primary training institution for employees of the U.S. foreign affairs community.These courses are all in public domain and free to download.Site may go down sometimes but you can search for fsi on google and easily find a mirror.

https://www.memrise.com/
>Free resource to learn vocabulary, nice flash cards.

https://lingvist.com/
>It's kinda like Clozemaster in the sense that you get a sentence and have to fill in the missing word, also has nice statistics about your progress, grammar tips and more information about a word (noun gender, verb aspects for Russian, etc.)

ankisrs.net/
>A flash card program

https://www.clozemaster.com/languages
>Clozemaster is language learning gamification through mass exposure to vocabulary in context.Can be a great supplementary tool, not recommended for absolute beginners.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/
>Tatoeba is a collection of sentences and translations with over 300 hundred languages to chose from.

radio.garden/
>Listen to radio all around the world through an interactive globe

https://forvo.com
>Has pronunciation for lots of words in lots of languages

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http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty
>Check out information about languages and their difficulties

http://lexicity.com/
>An invaluable resource for comparative language study as well as those interested in ancient languages

http://cosmogyros.tumblr.com/post/108962232110/huge-new-language-learning-collection
>A very extensive language learning collection for 90+ languages.

http://www.dliflc.edu/resources/products/
>Similar to FSI, drill-based courses with text and audio issued by the US government.These courses were made for millitary personel in mind unlike FSI.

http://en.childrenslibrary.org
>Lots of childrens books in various languages, categories 3-5yo, 6-9yo, 10-13yo.

https://www.hellotalk.com/#en
>The app is basically whatsapp, but only connects you with people who are native in the language you are trying to learn. It also has a facebook type section where you can share pics and stuff too.

https://www.italki.com/
https://www.mylanguageexchange.com/
https://www.interpals.net/
http://www.gospeaky.net/
https://www.speaky.com/
https://polyglotclub.com/
http://lang-8.com/
>Few more language exchange communities like Hellotalk:

http://www.goethe-verlag.com/
>A mostly free site which offers audio and drill like exercises for 40+ languages.

http://www.languagetransfer.org/
>A free resource with recordings to learn a language.

https://babadum.com
>Flash card game with a focus on vocabulary.

http://context.reverso.net/translation/
>A website like Tatoeba (also has a Firefox extension!)

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So, /lang/, how's the learning going today?

>>78377979
Slower than normal.

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>Finally fall for the memerise
>Pic related

>>78378275
Same. I didn't sleep too well last night so a bit foggy today. Hoping I wake up soon.

>>78378338
Memrise does have some "basically the same shit but not what we wanted lol" cards, thankfully they are rare.

>>78378338
How is persian? I'm thinking of learning it desu senpai.

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>not posting all the pictures

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>>78378631

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>>78377979
Struggling with Spanish word order.

>He has already said it
ya lo ha dicho

..which in English word order is:
already it he has said

Okay, so fair enough, then this comes along:
>I've spoken to him
He hablado con él

Which is just like it would be in English:
I've (he) spoken (hablado) with (con) him (él).

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>>78378667
fuck you lazy op nigger

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>>78378742
making other people do your job

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>>78378773
next time you better be not a lazy fuck

Is there anyone who has resources to learn napolitano? I've looked everywhere, even the Italian web but the most I could find was stuff on Sicilian

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>>78378875
Did you unironically try reddit, especially the Italian learning sub?

>>78378847
Next time I just won't make a thread, considering you lazy fucks didn't bother and thirty minutes after I made it there are 6 posters so not like you aren't around. :^)

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>>78378896

>>78378896
It didn't cross my mind. I'll check now

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>>78378924
kys spic

Which spanish textbook should i get?

>>78377926
>How the Fuck Do You Learn to Roll Your R's Edition
ask you cat how to

>>78378667
>bartposting
uste si sabe pa

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>>78379009
>>bartposting
>uste si sabe pa

No idea what you're talking about

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how do I beat her?

>>78377926

>Try to speak French in-person to Francophones, but they switch to English as soon as they hear my accent
>Ask some French-speaking friends to practice with me, but they keep asking me to repeat hard to pronounce words like "grenouille" because "English accents are funny"

How am I meant to learn when they don't let me practice? Reeeee!

>>78379276
Find people who can't speak English. If you're in Quebec St. Michel or pie-IX no one can utter a proper sentence in English

If you want to roll your R's try this tongue twister:
O rato roeu a rolha da garrafa do rei da Russia.
Use google translator for prenoutiation.

>>78377949
Wouldn't it be easier to cut out the middle man and learn Somalian?

>>78379463
Thank you I will try it!

>>78378627
It's comfy, main hurdles are the differences between colloquial/spoken and the script.

>>78378338
I couldn't find any decent memrise courses for Persian so I'm just gonna do a textbook/anki gruesome twosome

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I am so happy anons. After a month or so of seriously working on Russian I'm finally starting to understand some Russian comments here and there, as well as get the general idea of longer texts.

>>78378847
why would anyone learn t*rkish?

>>78380848
Happy for you anon. I've about a month and a half into Spanish and starting to pickup on more. It's a good feeling. I'll be really struggling on some new content, and feeling defeated, but then I'll pickup something new listening on Periscope and be happy with myself.

how hard is to learn other romance languages for me?

>>78380996
It's fun
>>78381121
Not that hard.
See
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMzM-s1ng7k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSfCDdTtBn0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrlycViTavE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o140Ni6yiM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZUE4oF9js

>>78381121
piss easy, you might struggle with french pronunciation but other than that you have a huge advantage from knowing spanish.

>>78380996
nıce language nıce food nIce qtıes

>>78381038
Yeah, the hardest part of Spanish by far is listening. Took years of Spanish in middle/high school and I can speak, read, and write it pretty well but when a native speaker opens their mouth I'm lost instantly lmao

>>78381216
>>78381277
>tfw blessed for those euro gains
>tfw cursed for asian gains

>>78381365
That's very disconcerting, I hope I'm able to overcome this.

I wonder when the best time to start watching movies is. I feel like now everything would be over my head so probably not worthwhile.

When is "when" cuando versus cuándo?

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>>78381216
>he's nice enough to say that only some are spoken all around the world
>calls romanian one of the 5 most important romance lingos
what a nice guy

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>going to finish Pimsleur 1 next week
>took me ~two months
>will take me nearly a year to get through all 5.

>>78382195
cuándo in an interjection, for example if someone says vamos al cine, you would say ¿Cuándo? in response. Cuando is for all other cases.

>>78383445
Thanks

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Which language should I learn next /lang/ ?
> Portuguese : easiest to learn (I know three romance languages), biggest population, BRIC. Either Br-pt (apparently easier, bigger population) or Pt-pt (probably better in the EU)
> Dutch : official language in my country, useful in some jobs. I already studied it at school and it's close to English. Either Dutch or Flemish (I keep hearing conflicting opinions on mutual intelligibility)
> Norwegian : No good reason, just interested by the Scandinavian countries. Apparently rather easy, and makes other Scandi languages easier to learn.
> Japanese : No good reason, just interested by the culture, the country, the challenge. Also probably better to start young than in a decade after I've learnt the others.

>>78385114
>japanese : No good reason, just interested by the culture, the country, the challenge. Also probably better to start young than in a decade after I've learnt the others.
Be real, you wanna watch anime without subtitles

>>78385114
What do you speak now?

>>78385165
Actually I'm not a big fan of anime with its low framerate. I prefer Japanese kino.
>>78385437
French, Spanish, English, Italian, and learning Russian.

>>78385114
Dutch, since the better half of your country speaks it already.
As for mutual intelligibility, it's like US English vs British English, only some west-Flemish dialects are not understandable.

Be not one of those Walloons who refuse to speak Dutch.

>>78385550
Dutch, Norwegian, Portuguese, Japanese. Who cares if you start old, it's probably the least useful for you.

classical chinese is aesthetic

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>tfw have more time to study but brain feels fried.

I really feel like picking up some obscure memelanguage. Should I do that or should I just stick with french?

>>78388557
French

>ya la ha visto?
>la ha visto ya?
These both say the same thing, but Pimsleur seems to have a preference for the later? Which is more natural?

>>78388557
Depends, what is the Meme language?

>>78389670
Both sound good to me

>>78388557
meme languages can be very fun, but can also be a real headache sometimes

>>78389748
Thanks, friend.

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Is it better to learn 10 words and retain them?
Or learn 20-50 words all at once and only retain a few of them.

I've heard people say they would learn 100 words a day when learning a language. I'm guessing they didn't actually mean they would learn 100 words, more like they would throw 100 words at their brain and see what stuck.

>>78391510
I'd say stick in the middle. Learn what you can and keep the weaker words in a pile to repeat the next day.

>>78391510
When i learn a language i usually learn about 30-40 a day, but i tend to forget most of them. Then i repeat them the next day and i remember slightly more words, and i repeat that until i remember the words

>>78380848
Good job. But, I've heard that after you learn the grammar, the next thing you find out is that the vocabulary is endlessly massive and all foreign.

>>78391510

In my opinion it's best to 'see' as many words as possible. Also depends on the language. It'll be much harder to recognise Russian/Chinese than it will be for Romance languages.


>>78388557

What sort of meme language? Constructed ones like esperanto or a retardedly useless ones like Mari?

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>>78392249
>retardedly useless ones like Mari
delet

>>78392515
Is the radio station holding up?

>>78392801
for the time being

Though I suspect that such problems as they recently had might not be a rare occurence.

>>78392515
You'll have your time, anon. One day the Mari people will rise up and you'll be right there with them.

>>78392249
>>78392515
>>78393284
Isn't it Maori or are you guys talking about something else?

Is the duolingo portuguese for spanish speakers good? The languages are so close that I figure duolingo would be enough to understand portuguese if I already speak spanish.

>>78393373
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mari_language

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>>78380831
What's wrong with this one?

>>78393373
No, though come to think Maori does fall in a similar category.

>>78393498
How's the future looking for the Mari language anyway? Isn't Russia trying to stamp the language and culture out?

>>78394086
>Isn't Russia trying to stamp the language and culture out?
Not really

There's always some alleged reports of Mari university professors being pressued to resign and things like that, and so maybe you could argue that there's some pressure from the Russian government to keep the language "in check", but I'm not even sure how truthful those reports are. And for the most part, the Russian government is really not that bad with how it deals with minority languages (certainly not any worse than how the Canadian government deals with our abo languages).

If there's any danger of it ever dying, that danger would come first and foremost from Mari people who think that their language is "backwards" and/or who move to wealthier regions because their own region is comparitively poor.

As for how the future is looking, it's honestly really hard to tell. There's so many conflicting reports (all of them very anecdotal) about the state of the language. Some say that it's basically ded already, others say that it's doing very well, and everything in between. One of the problems is that, even if children are still taught the language, young adults are less likely to use it. And of course like the rest of Russia, Mari people have quite a demographic problem with population aging (especially when combined with emigration).

All of this being said, based on what I've seen on the internet (which admittedly doesn't mean much most likely) I think there's still plenty reason to be hopeful. But, at the same time, there's also plenty reason to be very cautious, if not outright worried.

>>78394626
Huh, I could have sworn there were reports of violence against Mari people for speaking out against the government's treatment of them. Didn't they shut down a major Mari theater a while back?

>>78395509
Events like that seem more to revolve around criticism of the Russian government rather than the language itself. In other words, events like pushing for professors to resign or shuting down a theater aren't because they're in Mari (after all, there's plenty of Mari language media and some theaters which still exist), but rather because they voice opposition to the government.

Of course, I'm not expert on the situation, so I could be wrong, but based on everything I've seen as of yet, I really am not under the impression that there's a concerted effort by the Russian government against the Mari language, or even the Mari people. But, there are some activists who think otherwise (including one Mari who was arrested after he published a book alleging that the Russian government is trying to undermine/Christianize the Mari native religion - but again, his arrest seems to have more to do with criticism of the government than with his actual religion).

What are some good spanish cartoons? Preferably funny shit.

to learn the Italian 'R' as a native English speaker try this:

say "budder" over and over again until your tongue hits the top of your mouth during the 'dd' sound. then try to isolate that motion and make it longer. try to use it in the word "roma", like '"droma", then cut the "d".

that's how i learned.

>>78393455
I'm scared of nastaliq

>>78393455
Also, the very second thing was حالِ شُما چِطور اَست؟
but they didn't mention the ast at the end.

>>78396249
Oh yeah, the spoken parts are very shit. I use it in combination with forvo mainly for words.

>>78395849
I get that, still seems a little suspect to me but you have a point. Its hard to tell if Russia's government is being a dick to everyone in the same amount or if they're signaling out certain populations.

On a less political note, I'm about a third of the way through the Duolingo lessons for Turkish. Would now be a good time to start with some textbooks? And are there any other web resources to use? I already follow a memrise course with the Duolingo vocab since they don't seem to have a proper section for it on their website.

>>78396043
>good spanish cartoons?
There's no such thing.

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>What language are you learning?

None right now. Getting a job overseas ironically has led to me feeling too anxious to study.

>>78398242
How did you get a job overseas? College major/field? What country?

I'm just curious about studying/living/working abroad in Europe eventually

>>78396355
Can you recommend some good music in Persian? All I know currently is stuff by Mohsen Yeganeh.

>>78396043
Maybe look for some dubbed children's movies? My friend has a kid and some of the children's stuff now is pretty entertaining and has some adult undertones. Plus the language is easier to understand since it's written for a younger audience

>>78398335
I didn't get one yet, but I'm in the process of applying to teach chemistry or biology (my major) in China. I already have a few schools interested, but it's not an easy task to sort out the legit offers from the shady ones so far.

I'm not sure about Europe, but I'm pretty sure there are similar jobs, but they usually have higher requirements (e.g. being a licensed teacher in your own country).

Is there a good resource for learning how to use the Cyrillic keyboard? I type like a drunk donkey.

>>78400436
Just do it the hard way, it's frustrating at first, but the more you practice, the more comfortable you'll get.

The starting point for me was the letter "c", since this is the same on both keyboards. After just learn clusters of letters at a time, for example "e", "a" and "y" (I first remembered them by how many keys from the left they were) are a good place to start, then the "пpoл" cluster is a good followup, and so on.

Just force yourself to do it.

Has anyone read enough of a language to get a good grasp? I was thinking of buying a book in spanish and learn as I read.

>>78400550
Dont you have a stickers on your keyboard to help you? kek. But i am impressed that you trialed and error learned the keyboard.

>>78400663
>Has anyone read enough of a language to get a good grasp?
I did, but with /lat/.

However, I have a huge advantage in that I speak French, which makes it so much easier to understand written Spanish (though not as much as Italian).

>Dont you have a stickers on your keyboard to help you?
Nope, but when I first started I printed out the Russian keyboard layout and pinned it on my wall in front of my computer, which helped.

I'm still not quite as comfortable as I would like to be, but I'm getting there. Every now and then these days I'll surprise myself by being able to type a given word seemingly as fast as if it were written in Latin (but then there are other times when I get a random "block" and it can take me a good 5 seconds to get over it, especially with the letters м, и, т and н for whatever reason).

>>78400773
Yeah you're right, but I'm not starting right at the beginning with spanish thankfully. Do you find it better than learning tools from the internet?

I would like to do the same with Russian but I think I'll get too pissed off translating every word.

What made you want to learn Latin? Russian makes me just want to quit it kek, It feels like theres a massive wall when I start, my gf is the only thing supporting me up it ;_;

>>78401184
>Do you find it better than learning tools from the internet?
My way of learning Spanish was a bit unorthodox, in that I started out in a "normal" way (i.e. one year of shitty classes in high school). Then, once I had that bare minimum to string a few sentences together with shitty grammar and tons of gallicisms, I just started adding random Spanish speakers on MSN messenger (those were the days), after finding people willing to help in youtube comments sections. One of them in particular was a Mexican guy who had the most abysmal English I've ever seen for any person whatsoever, but he was also a really cool guy with whom I really enjoyed talking (he even sent me stuff IRL from his hometown). Eventually we lost touch, but then I found an Argie with whom I did the same (he spoke perfect English, which meant that he was actually able to explain many concepts to me). Eventually I lost touch with him as well, but then I started posting quite a bit in /lat/ several years ago (back when people unironically delfinposted) and that helped me practice as well.

Therefore, I can't fully answer your question, because I've never really used internet learning tools (except stuff like dictionaries). But I can tell you that there are certainly flaws in my method, for example my oral comprehension is completely and utterly abysmal. But, my reading comprehension is very good, and my ability to compose written text is acceptable I think.

>What made you want to learn Latin?
I'm not learning Latin, I meant the Latin alphabet.

>>78396043
It's not a cartoon, but everyone saw it as a kid and it's quite funny
El chavo del 8
I hear Brazilians have started to dub it

>>78401396
>delfinposted
What's that?

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>>78402072
posting dolphins and/or famous Ecuadorian singer-songwriter Delfin Quíshpe

>>78402376
>Delfin Quíshpe
oops

Delfín Quishpe*

>>78379206
YOU CAN't

what's the best grammatical case?

>>78378710
You need to understand what clitics are, and what cases call for them.
In the first sentence
>Ya lo ha dicho.
"Lo" is a clitic, sort of like a shorthand pronoun. You can use it here because "it" is a direct object.
Direct objects: lo / la / los / las
Indirect objects: le / les
In spanish and other romance languages, these clitics always precede verbs. If you choose not to use these, the object(s) just goes after the verb as it would normally.

For the second sentence, "él" would technically be in the instrumental case, since "he" doesn't receive an action. There are no instrumental clitics, so this sentence would always follow normal word order of subject, verb, object.

Ojalá que te ayude.

>>78392515
Have you considered making a guide for learning Mari? I'm curious about how you're doing this.

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how do i learn ching chong? i want to be a sexpat
pic related

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>>78402752
I use this one, it's pretty shock resistant too.

>>78402917
See >>78379063
While you're learning the radicals and doing Pimsleur, I recommend getting the mobile app ChineseSkill and using it with the Traditional Characters mode (ideally without pinyin). It essentially functions like Duolingo, and it's completely free.

>>78402752
Locative cases (especially the inessive) are quite nice

>>78402895
I suppose I could, but there's two issues:

1) I've been learning for only a month. I know this is always the case when making language guides, but I'd feel presumptuous to make one at this point.
2) The chance of the effort being completely in vain (i.e. nobody using it, other than just looking at it out of curiosity) is fairly high.

So in short, maybe not right now, but it could be a good idea later to try to get others on board with this meme language. If I can convince even a single person, then it'd certainly be worth it.

>>78402980
hmm what about the simplified chars?

anyone want help with spanish hmu

>>78402985
I'm already pretty decent at Turkish, and I've been meaning to pick up a Uralic language. Initially I wanted to do Finnish, but sadly the resources are lacking and the /int/ leaves something to be desired. I'd love to see a layout of your studies down the road!

>>78403000
From what I understand, if you can read one, you can understand the other. Es como usted puede entenderme aunque estoy escribiendo en español en vez de português. If you really prefer the simplified characters for the fewer strokes, though, maybe just stick to ChineseSkill and shop around for a more recent textbook.

>>78391649
That's how Russian to English works too.

Mari weekdays are pretty interesing

>Sunday
Russian week
>Monday
native
>Tuesday
saddled
>Wednesday
blood day
>Thursday
small week
>Friday
big week
>Saturday
this is the only one which seems to have its own unique dedicated word which doesn't mean anything else

Is Taiwanese Mandarin to Mainland Mandarin as British English to American English?

I ask because I have a family friend who is from Taiwan and willing to teach me, but I don't want get started down the wrong path only to realize I can't understand anyone from Beijing. Well, I may not either way, but you get the point.

How intelligible is Spanish to Portuguese speakers and vice versa?

>>78403733
in conversational-level writing, if you're fluent, it's like 95%

I'm not even fluent in Spanish, but even I can understand a ton of written Portuguese with relative ease (French helps a bit as well). Spoken is an entirely different story though.

>>78403733
>>78403774
Spoken by Brazilians I understand like an 80%, by Portuguese I only pick up a couple of words

>>78403733
i think portuguese speakers have an easier time understanding spoken spanish than the other way around. might be bias tho.
written portuguese and written spanish is relatively easy to undesrtand for both tho

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why here is "hay" and not "es"?

Linguistics nerds please come here >>>78400528

Would it be a good idea to only learn the chinese characters without the speaking part?
In my opinion it would make it way easier, no more worrying about tones and remembering the words, just 'picture means human'.

>tfw i will never be able to know another language because i'm an american

>>78408009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxWhXyeFYjc

What's the difference between "lease" and "rent"?

>let's put two kanji together to form a new meaning and pronounciation that has practically nothing to do with the meaning or pronounciation of the kanji by themselves
This is partially why I don't want to learn Japanese

>>78377926
Not learning a new language, but a stereotypical american accent is my thing right now. How am I gonna speak like the postal dude ?

>>78409924
Interesting, why do you want to sound like a Burger if i may ask?

>>78410146
I can handle well the british accent, but there's just something magical with the ''tough guy'' american accent like D. Nukem or Postal Dude, or any other character who has a deep, manly voice. Also, Hoe gaat het dutch-chan ?

>>78410254
çok güzel, iyiyim

>>78403044
I can help you with Turkish, or be a talk mate if you want
>>78410302
:3

>>78406890
>¡Aquí (here) siempre (always) hay (there is) ruido (noise)
There is always noise here,

>,pero (but) en (in) los (the) festivales (festivals) hay (there is) mucho (more) más (even)!
,but there is even more (noise) in the festivals!

Ruido (noise) never goes with "to be". I think it is because noise is always created/generated by something or someone.

Any other language who have Retroflex flap? Hindi have it, and also some dialects here in Norway. I know a lot of non-native speakers of Norwegian struggle to make this sound.

>>78410560
according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroflex_flap
there are more

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>>78410560
sorry cant help with that

The languages I want to learn the most is Russian, Arabic and Italian.

>>78410959
Then learn them, there are guides and resources at the top of this page

>>78410632
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Opera

>>78380831
Assimil Persian is excellent

>>78411155
Lightweight and OK with built-in VPN.
Do I really need a different browser ?

>>78411313
It's fine the only objectively shitty browser is Internet explorer/"""Edge""" IMO

>>78377926
I have a question for all Spanish speakers: can you compare for me some interesting differences in the way that you guys talk?

For example Brits call airplanes aeroplanes, and cannot seem to pronounce the letter 'r' at the end of words.

What is the best sort of Spanish to learn? I've heard that it is Chilean or Equadorian. While Mexican and Cuban not so great and Spain really bizzare?

>>78391510
Quantity over quality with languages. All language learning is cumulative, and drilling things in 100% doesn't make sense since you aren't ever going to use words in isolation. Extensive exposure is best. It'll feel like climbing a vertical concrete wall at first but that wall gets scaled completely faster than any other way.

>>78396161
Practice writing the script ~a lot~. Start with print and move straight on to Ruq'ah. It'll become legible fastest that way.

>>78411378
>>78403007
ok bump

>>78411367
Probably. Never used it tho.

>>78409038
to my understanding there is none

would learning japanese and german at the same time provide any significant inherent problems? I am a beginner at german (been learning for about 2 weeks) and intermediate at japanese (200hrs of formal study)

>>78412769
There's obviously a difference between renting and leasing a car.

>>78411378
Specific word differences or pronunciation differences?
Latin americans have shitloads of unnecessary english loan words mixed with spanish like "pop corn" and "hot dog" (palomitas and "Perrito Caliente"
they also say other stuff like
>carro - coche in spanish (car)
>parquear - aparcar (the "park" verb)
>freezer - nevera (fridge)
>pieza - habitacion (room)
there are many others but these are the ones i know off the top of my head

>>78412833
how?

>>78411378
I'm learning Spanish also, and work with lots of Cubans. Their Spanish is apparently shitty, and they admit to using a whole bunch of slang. I hear Colombian Spanish is fairly neutral so was going to listen to a few of the Colombians that work here more. I've been listening to some Spanish speakers from Spain and don't really find it that bizarre for the stuff I can understand, they have some different pronunciation.

>>78409038
>>78412769
>>78412833
Some of it is just vernacular, some of it is legal differences. They get used interchangeably a lot, but generally rent contracts are short term (month to month or days), and leases are long term. So when someone says they are "renting" an apartment, that's what they say, but their contract is generally a 12 month lease. You rent a car when on a short vacation, that's generally a rental agreement. You lease a car when it's a two year contract. The legal terms are slightly different.

In vernacular: Rent an apartment (even though the contract is really a lease contract 99/100), rent a car on vacation (actually a rental contract), lease a car for two years from a dealership (actually a lease contract).

>>78412876
Cubans here call a pickup truck "un trucke" (truck-ay). I'm pretty sure they just made that word up by adding an e because generally pickup trucks are only common in America so they needed a new word for it.

>>78413072
in argentina they say "pickup" for pickup trucks, i dont think theres a direct translation really
in center america they also use the english word "man" in spanish

>>78413259
I've been following a qt argentinian girl on Periscope. Are their accents pretty neutral? She is a cute CUTE!

>>78413072
Thanks for the explanation.

>>78413890
argentinian accent is far from neutral
Y and LL are pronounced "sh"
Yo soy Yolanda = Sho soy Sholanda
lot of italian influence

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>>78414094
Oh no. Maybe I'll have to find a new qt. :o(

>>78403408
Depends on what you mean by mainland. There are a lot of Mandarin dialects and if I remember right a few of them aren't mutually intelligible. But I think Taiwanese Mandarin is going to be the same as what people speak in Beijing and Hong Kong.

Anyone know any greek youtubers that are not comedy labs gr?

>>78401396
>my oral comprehension is completely and utterly abysmal
don't worry, that shit can be fixed in a few weeks

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Lernt hier jemand Deutsch? Ich möchte gern mein Deutsch verbessern, aber ich habe keine Ahnung, was ich jetzt machen sollte. Duolingo mach mir langweilig und Memerise ist ziemlich beschissen. Ich denke, dass ich vielleicht B1 oder so bin. Im Moment kann ich keine echte Bücher lesen, weil ich viele Wörter nicht erkenne.

Will jemand zusammen lernen? Wenn nicht, kann jemand mich mit Werkstoffe beliefern, um mein Deutsch verbessern wird? Danke im Voraus

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This isn't as fun as I thought it would be but it's definitely more educational than I hoped it would be.

>>78417425
Teach me Imbissdeutsch please

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>>78411378
Chilean Spanish is practically a different language

>>78418471
>Nino mexiceno de 11 anos estudiará lenguaje en Harvard
>11 year old Mexican boy studies Chilean language in Harvard
I've never once studies Spanish in my life nor do I have any prior knowledge but I was able to decipher this.

Is Spanish this easy?

>>78419027
>Is Spanish this easy?
Not really, most sentences can't be guessed that easily.

But compared to most languages it's still relatively easy, especially if you already speak another Romance language.

>>78413259
Where did you get this? We say "camioneta".

>>78413890
No accent in Argentina is close of being neutral.

>>78419027
Pretty close, but that's because some of those words are pretty well known, like "años", "niño", and the others because they are cognate words.

http://www.realfastspanish.com/vocabulary/spanish-cognates

>>78419673
i have an argentinian friend that says pickup.
hes pretty amerindian maybe thats why

>>78413072
>>78413961
In El Salvador people normally say "el pickup" (pronounce: el pícap), although "la camioneta" is also used.

In El Salvador we don't use "man", we say "men" (pretty much always referring only to one man, the one you're speaking to). It's not used like English "man!", which is more impersonal and can be used when you're talking to a girl.

>>78417425
Is that norwegian or swedish ?

>>78411500
Is Ruq'ah used for writing Persian?
>>78418471
What does the example written in the image mean?

>>78421030
I've never heard anyone saying that. Seems pretty strange since we are pretty far away from English influece, so we don't tend to use many anglicisism as Mexico or other central american regions do.

>>78403408
Taiwanese Mandarin and standard Mainland Mandarin are very similar. There are a few differences though, like how 计算机 means "computer" in Mainland China but "calculator" in Taiwan, or like how the Taiwanese pronounce a tone in almost every syllable but people from (especially northern) China use a lot of "neutral tones".

>>78421634
I belief the most common writing style is Naskh, and Nasta'liq the most common calligraphic/fancy script.

>>78421321
>filename

>>78422145
oh

>>78412876
The Latinos must be stopped.

>>78421634
It's just a bunch of Chilean words strung together. I don't speak the Chilean language natively but I think it says something like:
>Mexican boy, 11, will learn Chilean language at Harvard
>"The silly boring thing, well, in (someone's) ass, do you understand? Boring-ass dog, ass, ahahaha. You're a buddy, ass, the weird thing, buddy, ahahaha, ass" were some words that this 11 year old child prodigy with an IQ matching Albert Einstein's was able to learn.

>>78413072
If you lease a car you can eventually own it once it is old and racked up a lot of miles.

A rented car must always be returned.

>>78423553
You're thinking of a financed car, where you pay it off over time and own it at the end (paying interest of course), but yes you can often lease with an option to buy, depending on the manufacturer. When you lease you pay for depreciation on the car plus interest. The car manufacturers figure something called a residual value, and the lease cost is determined off that. We're getting more into business discussion than linguistics at that point though.

>>78388557
finnish

>>78409038
http://www.businessdictionary.com/article/1063/lease-vs-rent-d1412/

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How big are your Anki/Quizlet decks, /lang/?

>>78416823
>Wenn nicht, kann mich jemand mit Lehrmaterial beliefern, um mein Deutsch zu verbessern?

Du kannst eigentlich ziemlich gut Deutsch um ehrlich zu sein. Lies einfach zuerst ein paar Kinderbücher oder die Neuigkeiten. Ich denke du brauchst einfach nur etwas Routine. Als ich Englisch gelernt habe, habe ich jetzt Wort immer sofort bei dict.cc eingegeben und nachgeschaut. Das hilft, auch wenn es am Anfang etwas aufwendig ist.

>>78424114
English - 489
Portuguese - 375

Why are you asking?

>>78423881
>but yes you can often lease with an option to buy, depending on the manufacturer.

You're thinking of whores.

trying to learn Spanish, have never tried learning a language by myself before, I'm used to having a teacher and a schedule
have no idea how I should even start

>>78424286
Mine is over 1000 because my Duolingo, Michel Thomas and Pimsleur are all in one Long Term Learning folder. I'm wondering if I should have split them but it seems nice that it jumps around rather than having three decks that are specific to each. I've only gotten through 51% so far though. A lot of the 49% I "don't know" I just haven't been tested on yet.

>>78411378
>For example Brits call airplanes aeroplanes, and cannot seem to pronounce the letter 'r' at the end of words.
Spaniards pronounce the Z and C like the English TH, they used to make a distinction between Y and LL but that's disappearing (see: yeismo)
Argies and Uruguayans pronounce the LL and Y as SH
All dialects of Spanish in America pick up words from the native languages of the region, for example, we have loan words from Nahua and Mayan languages
In places like Barcelona they probably loan words from Catalan
>What is the best sort of Spanish to learn?
There's no best Spanish, everyone will banter you for learning a different Spanish than the one they're used to
>I've heard that it is Chilean or Equadorian. While Mexican and Cuban not so great and Spain really bizzare?
Mexican Spanish is the one they use to dub everything in Latin America
>>78412876
>pop corn
>freezer
>parquear
Do people really do this?
I think we have more loan words from Nahuatl than English

>>78425967
I don't have that many because I started with it when I already was like a B2.
In my English deck I have 68.5% mature, 31% young/learn, and 0.5 suspended.

Are you one of the guys learning Spanish?

>>78425333
It's not that hard. Just find a course where all the basics are taught, and once you finish it immerse into the language. Start reading, listening to music, and everything you can think of involving it.

>>78424286
do you build your deck yourself?

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>>78426570
Yeah, I'm learning Spanish.

>>78425967
i cant stand that beep noise that sounds before everyword in the french audiobook, its like this in every video?

>>78426807
Michel Thomas? No, for Spanish it was just for the first few lessons. Yeah that almost made me stop using it also until I googled and learned it goes away. Absolutely awful sound.

>>78426885
oh it goes away? thanks god, im going to give it a try later

>>78426735
Yes. I don't like nor trust those preset decks.
So everytime I encounter a new word I look at the definition in English, then their respective translations and I choose those which match best.

>>78426963
I want to do that with some words in french, do you have any advice?
I think i know like 100 words in french should I include them in my deck too?

>>78426963
I use some premade decks but try to check them pretty well. I've found a number of errors.

>>78427044
It depends. I you already know those words then it wouldn't have much sense. But if it is kinda hard sometimes to remember it or you recognize the word eventually then yes, it would be advisable for you to add it.
What kind of advice are you looking for though?

>>78427075
I also don't like those because they sometimes teach some useless or less important vocabulary than that which you could learn on your own.

>>78426729
>find a course
you mean like an online course? where I have to pay money?

>>78427383
Well I'm just using decks from the systems I'm using: Duolingo, MT, Pimsleur. So it's all stuff I'll need to learn anyways to complete those programs.

>>78427426
No. There are plenty of free courses online. Just look them up on google.

>>78409529
Any examples?

Stupid question, I know.

Should I learn the classical chinese characters first, since they are the same for classical chinese and japanese (?) and you can figure out the simplified from the classical, but not the other way around?

im trying to learn albanian...i need resources

>>78428007
Albanian subhuman
I am a Greek

>>78427988
doesn't really matter, once you know either one, learning the other becomes exceptionally easier, so it all comes down to which one you prefer to learn first

>>78428043
It's ok greeks are cool too. Still need maybe albanian work books or literacy books.

what would albanians do without greek cuisine

>>78427383
well I'd appreciate some tips with anki, i find it a little hard to use, i dont know how to repeat the same words in the same day for example

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Is studying japanese and chinese at the same time gonna mess with my head?

>>78428430
probably not much, they're super different.

>>78428243
To do that just press the button that says "review in 10 minutes" (which is a lie, since you will review it once you finish the other cards). So you just leave it like that and come back whenever you want. I like it because of that, it doesn't have an algorithm that tells you what and when to do something, but it's you the one who decides.

I'll give this example if I wasn't clear enough.
Let's say that I just have to learn three words: tree, street, and soap.
First comes tree. I feel like I remembered it from the first time I searched it translation, so I just press the button to review it in a day. The same happens with street. But I don't know the word soap, so I press the button to review it again, and after 4 times of doing the same I still can't remember this word, so I just leave it that way and close the app. Two hours after I remember that I still have that word to review, so I keep on doing the same until I learn it.

>>78428007
Did you look in the op?

@Mari anon
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B9QDHej9UGAdZUxMTTJ5M3g3WUk
here are some Mari books, don't know if you have seen these yet

>>78428007
I'm in a good mood

https://pastebin.com/Q2zqGMwS
pastebin since 4chan thinks my links are spam
Now I won't hear you again about 'no resources'

>>78430180
>>78429879
thanks to the both of you, your both very kind.

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>>78377926
>tfw can't roll my r's

>>78430240
I'm the same person.

>>78430263
>>78430263
dude weed lmao

Is there a way to learn the Cyrillic fast?

There are tons of websites to memorize hiragana and katakana but haven't seen one about Cyrillic.

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>>78430612

>>78430248
hehe, when I was a kid I couldn't do it because my frenulum linguae was (and still is) shorter than normal. But with time I worked out another way of doing it.

>>78430612
You can learn it in a day. It's pretty easy.

>>78430248
>el padaguayo señores
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJJ

>>78430612
Seen this yet?

http://languages.uchicago.edu/NativeHand/CyrillicQuickly/

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Hi everyone! I`m from small russian town without english clubs and I have never ever spoke with native speakers. I can read what i want on the internet, but i cant tell something. Maybe there is special thread on this board, where i can write something, and other guys will correct me? Or advice some webpage where i can do it. %%Please dont be cruel%%

>>78431843
I asking about it, because according to my feelings, it is the best way to memorize new vocabulary.

why does it feel so fucking good to speak german

>>78431843
italki
hellotalk

>>78431843
Your first two sentences are pretty good. I would say "without any English clubs" instead of "without english clubs" and "I have never spoken with a native speaker" instead of "I have never ever spoke with native speakers"
I'm not too sure what you're trying to say in the second sentence, my best guess is "I can read things online fairly well but I can't speak as well."
Next sentence is perfectly fine
After that I'd say "Or maybe someone could show me a website where I can get help"
>>78432016
As for this sentence I would say "I am asking about it because according to my understanding it is the best way to memorize new vocabulary."

As for your question most people here would be fine helping you with your English although you might also want to look at the third post in this thread. It has some webpages that will connect you directly with a native speaker who you can ask these questions to for a faster response.
These are the ones mentioned up there:

https://www.hellotalk.com/#en
>The app is basically whatsapp, but only connects you with people who are native in the language you are trying to learn. It also has a facebook type section where you can share pics and stuff too.

https://www.italki.com/
https://www.mylanguageexchange.com/
https://www.interpals.net/
http://www.gospeaky.net/
https://www.speaky.com/
https://polyglotclub.com/
http://lang-8.com/
>Few more language exchange communities like Hellotalk:

>>78432255
>tfw need practice as well, but too autistic to talk to other people.
Fuck. It's been over 5 years since I started learning english. I can read and listen pretty good but I suck at making up sentences outside of several templates. Even this short sentence took me like 5 minutes.

>>78432603
please be my autistic russian bf

>>78432255
Which of those has the most cute girls?

>>78432255
Thank you so much.

>>78382195
cuándo is interrogative. This applies for que Vs qué, quien Vs quién etc.

>>78402985
I actually looked at learning a language like Mari a couple of months ago, before I started browsing here and heard of you. I was inspired after looking around the eastern part of the crusader kings ii map and wondering who the fuck Perm is

>>78432721
Sorry. I'm having bad time just talking to people let along doing role playing.

>>78432910
>roleplaying
oh o-okay

>>78412825
i dont realy thinks there is anything to mess up. i never looked into any japanese myself but cant imagine anything similar

>>78416823
Wenn du kein problem damit hast den Kopf gegen die Wand zu hauen zum lernen dann les einfach Nachrichten oder so trial and error fand ich immer recht nützlich.

>>78432729
No idea, don't use them. I'm not quite comfortable enough yet with Turkish to try talking to people.
>>78432781
No problem, if you have other questions and post here I might be able to help. Can't promise to be here 24/7 though. Also I'm admittedly not the best person to ask but I'll do what I can.

>>78433394
>Feel bad now for some reason.
Fuck. Talking to people is hard.

>>78432910
I'm having a hard enough time just talking to people, let alone role playing*

You're pretty good at writing English, just need more practice. I'd say you are good enough to shitpost for sure, especially on a board with flags like /int/. For speaking try those places the other anon recommended that are in the OP.

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>>78431089
>En algunas variaciones del español paraguayo la "rr" se pronuncia no como un trino alveolar, como se hace en muchas de las regiones de habla española, sino como una [ɹ̝] similar a como se hace la R inglesa o siciliana en Italia.

>>78433887
Thanks.

>>78433815
aww don't feel bad, its not a big deal

>>78416120
Physics channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQXxfC5_Wvlx-eywB9EmaMw/videos

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I'm having so much trouble with
lo he visto - I have seen
me ha dicho - He told me
he estudiado
and so forth.

There are so many combinations with le and me and lo and I get so confused. I'm never going to learn this.

>>78434288
le and lo are referencing an it.

When you say "lo he visto" you actually mean "I have seen it".

he estudiado = I have studied
lo he estudiado = I have studied it

>>78434288
lo he visto = have seen it
Lo = it (in this context)
he estudiado = i studied
estuvie estudiando = i have been studying

>>78434288
Are you still confused? I mean, the structure is always the same.
Also, me ha dicho means he has told me.

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>>78434347
>>78434439
Thanks.

lo he visto "it I have seen"
me ha dicho "me he has told"
?

This fucking pimsleur gives like 20 different combinations right after each other with no explanation and my gringo brain is completely confused by the word order and indirect translation. I can't decide if I need to learn the structure, or just memorize strings, or both. But I'm for sure stuck.

>>78434467
Yeah I'm retarded. I'm going to spend all weekend on it until I get it.

I just had a nice call with a cute Welsh chick.

She grew up with three languages, Welsh, English and French(maternal).

She was just starting out with German but I was very helpful and critiqued her pronunciation when she was reading text to me.

>>78434535
lucky you

>>78434535
fucking lucky, how the fuck do you even get in the same call in the first place

>>78434507
>lo he visto "it I have seen"
>me ha dicho "me he has told"

Es exactamente eso.
Escríbeme un par de frases para practicarlo.

>>78434628
> you even get in the same call in the first place

Because I'm the one who is calling? I almost only do calls actually, on the language exchange platforms that I'm using. I've probably talked to well over 300 people so far.

>>78434507
me ha dicho (el) = he/she told me
3rd person is assumed from the verb tense. if you were to analyze the syntax of this phrase in spanish class it would be "Sujeto elíptico: El/Ella"

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>>78434687
wish I wasn't a ugly autistic shy boy

>>78434687
Wait like what platform? I'm actually paying in italki to get classes.

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>>78434746
-the """language""" """learner""""
>grew up monolingual despite having international parents
>never practiced speaking because of shyness
>studied Japanese unironically because of anime but gave up due to Kanji being too ""hard""
>created his own useless constructed language
>has never visited the country of his target language because he doesn't feel """ready"""

-The Polyglot
>grew up as a natural quadrilingual, C3 level in any of them
>starts speaking from day one of learning a foreign language
>can write 10000 chinese characters, traditional and simplified
>studies every language of the various countries he is visiting
>published several books in Esperanto

>>78434885
Tandem/HelloTalk/HelloLingo

>>78434659
he visto una película - I saw a movie.
la he visto - I saw it (the movie)
me ha dicho "hola!" - he told me hello.
lo me ha dicho - he told me it

I feel like I can write them sometimes, but only after lots of thought. Then, when I get prompted to speak it, I go blank or get them confused.

>>78434689
You lost me at the end there.

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>>78435042
wow rude please delete this post

>>78435106
me lo ha dicho sounds better to me

>>78435154
Forgot:

>sells his superior teaching method online
>uses the money from his online business to pay for his world traveling

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>>78435156
This might be the closest I've ever come to audibly making the REEEEEEEE sound. You can just swap those?

>>78435248
Lo me ha dicho just seems plain wrong to me, but I guess a Spanish native can tell better. The other ones seem ok

>>78435349
Oh okay, good. I'm happier with wrong, I thought there might be some "eh depends" situation that would have sent me off the deep end.

>>78435042
this hits a bit too close to home, fuck

>>78435248
No, no puedes. Con el tiempo lo vas a aprender, pero empieza a leer más.

>>78435516
Gracias. Quiero leer más pero estoy muy nuevo y entiendo muy poco. Solo he estudiado para dos mes.

>>78435106
>he visto una película - I have seen a movie
>la he visto - I have seen it (the movie)
>me ha dicho "hola!" - he has told me hello.
>lo me ha dicho - he has told me it

I saw a movie = (Yo) ví una pelicula
I saw it = (Yo) la ví
He told me hello = Me dijo "hola"
He told me = Me lo dijo

Has been = Ha sido (Preterito perfecto compuesto)
I was = Yo fuí (Preterito perfecto simple)

>>78435106
>at the end
well, syntax analysis is probably not relevant for foreigners, but in spanish schools we are taught syntax analysis for phrases in spanish class. we define the subject, the verb, the nucleus of each of them, the complements, the adjectives... loads of stuff.

>>78435636
Gracias. Quiero leer más pero soy muy nuevo y entiendo muy poco. Solo he estudiado por dos meses.

Con tu nivel actual creo que estás listo. Al menos podrías tratar de leer encabezados de noticias. No tiene que ser algo complejo, cualquier cosa sirve.

>>78435803
Ejemplos:

Fuí al cine con mi amigo = I went to the movies with my friend
He ido al cine con mi amigo = I have gone to the movies with my friend

Vimos una película de comedia = We watched a comedy film
Hemos visto una película de comedia = We have watched a comedy film

I don't think I need to explain the difference between "I watched" and "I have watched" because that's just obvious.

t. future English teacher taking CPE later this year

>>78435106
>lo me ha dicho
this is very wrong and alien
>lo ha dicho = he said it
>me lo ha dicho = he said it to me / he told me

>>78435851
En mi ciudad tiene Miami Harold y El Nuevo Harold (español) porque muchas hispanablantes. Para noticias yo puedo tratar.

>>78435803
>>78435952
Thank you, but that's all new to me. Right now just been through the whole me lo ha dicho bit, I bet that stuff is coming soon. I don't want to get too far ahead of myself before I learn this.

>>78435958
Thank you, yes I had that backward. :o/ "me lo ha dicho" is he told me it.

>>78435851
>>78436152
este: http://www.elnuevoherald.com/

yo puedo tratar más por comprenderlo.

>>78436152
>En mi ciudad tenemos Miami Harold y El Nuevo Harold (español) porque hay muchos hispanohablantes.

>>78436252
Gracias por la traducción. And sorry for butchering the language but I'm trying to avoid the translation tools too much.

>>78436332
Está bien. Si no intentas no aprenderás nunca.

I feel really awkward speaking to the employees at the mexican grocery in spanish because they all speak fluent english. Am I being weird by talking to them in spanish?

>>78436477
Maybe just say you are trying to learn Spanish. Most the Spanish speaking people I work with don't speak English so are they are extremely pleased when I try to speak Spanish, and the bilingual ones are equally as happy. Once I get better I feel like it will be a huge resource for me. Maybe they'll get tired of me though.

>>78436477
Make some fuckn Spanish speaking friends and just practice w them. Everyone I know finds practicing Spanish at a grocery store super condescending, esp when both you and the employees could have an easier time in English.

>>78434687
Care for a call, mate? I'm >>78416823

Creating OC right now.

Get ready boys.

>>78436821
>tfw not even language """learner""" tier

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(sorry for the doublepost, I had to change a repretition).

>>78437453
that was a triple post

>>78437453
Not bad but the virgin doesn't seem 'normal' enough.

>>78437496
what about 'still believes in going to language classes'

>>78437529
Yeah, I think if you replace the constructed language with it then it'll be better. I don't really know a lot of people who have done that, outside of maybe children.

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>>78437655

I just added it I'll just leave it like this now. Feel free to edit it.

>>78436574
Sorry, it's very late right now. I'm heading for bed soon.

Would be nice if it was used for the next thread.
Good night, guys.

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>>78435042
>>78435221
;_;

Damn, that hit me right in the feels.

I made a pseudo-screenshot version with the two linesyou forgot to include.

any tips / things i should know before starting ancient greek? studied a bit of latin before so a bit should carry over, anything uniquely difficult about greek though?

>>78440185
the letters are pretty hard, and it doesnt have anything to do with latin

>>78391649
I'm learning russian and vocabulary is probably going to be the biggest struggle, but honestly I'm concerned with grammar
I want to learn as much grammar as possible so then all I gotta do is just memorize words which can be fun because every work you learn unlocks a bunch of new things you can say

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>>78432603
пoнимaю бpaт

日本語勉強してる!

Language learning is a combination of splitting frustration, embarrassment and random moments of extreme when you understand someone say the simplest of things.

Good luck anons.

Going to russia in mid september, I know pretty much no Russian. How fucked am I?

I work 10 hour night shifts at a warehouse and come home knackered. p-please help me lads

Should I learn baguette-speak or kraut aneurysm?

>>78436152
Quizás puedes hacer lo que hago. Leo un artículo periodístico y las palabras que no sé, anoto. Entonces haré flashcards con esas palabras.

>>78441133
how long you staying for

>>78441488
nearly two weeks

>>78441765
one month is plenty of time to at least get the basics down enough so you can navigate around easily at least

why is it that I get japanese writing easy peasy but cyrillic puts my dick through a meat grinder with how difficult it is

>>78441153
Le croissant talk

>>78442079
cyrillic isn't even remotely difficult

>>78442052
How do I start. H-help

>>78442108
alphabet is your main priority
it's not that hard and should take you anywhere from a few hours to a day or two

you could try to go for duolingo and looking up grammar points online

given your short timeframe you could even look up russian lessons on youtube becaus they generally teach you basic touristy shit

>>78442105
then why is it taking me so much longer to learn it than to learn both hiragana and katakana

>>78442286
bc you watch too much animes....