EU Hate

>>78297742
>a fellow american making a yuro thread

it's not your place to be talking about yuropoor politics, you and I are outsiders to them and will always be. they will only make fun of you for making this thread, because quite frankly, it's none of your business and they don't care what you say.

>>78297742
The EU is just the first step of the New World Order. The world will soon be under one government, and the government will kill off millions of people to save resources.

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>the international kike is a well reknown wrecker of nations/kingdoms and civilizations


wowow burger....when did you figure all this out?

>>78297742

The biggest threat to our individual cultures isn't the EU (in fact, that's a safeguard) but globalization and anglo culture.

>>78297850
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c

I like it because Europe needs to be united to stand a chance at being a major power block considering America and Russias influence and the rise of China and eventually India. I just don't like the refugee shit.

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EU has its flaws but ultimately united Europe is strong Europe.

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>>78297919
>India
Ahh yes the street shitters.

>China
Their housing bubble will pop soon enough, and when it does they are gonna hit the ground hard.

>Russia
Pic related, we've had that covered since 1949

>US
Again, pic related. We are their allies, we have come to sort out their dumb fuckery in two World Wars. We love Europe and don't view them as a threat, nor should they look at us as a threat either.

>Europe needs to be united to stand a chance...
Dont drink that fucking EU copypasta cool-aid, they have done fine over the last 5000+ years outside of the aforementioned World Wars.

>>78297888

https://www.theverge.com/2016/5/25/11766600/netflix-amazon-prime-quota-european-film-tv

This kind of stuff is what I'm talking about.

We're inundated by your music, your hollywood, your burgers, your omg cliches, your basketball stars, and etshitera.

I don't want to know about who the fuck was
Roberto Lee and what the fuck your constitution is about anymore that I want to know about Malawi's Constitution and what they do in their national day.

>>78297742
The EU exists because of WW2 and the threat of Russian aggression. The fact economic factors were added was just a plus. But I agree, they should have kept immigration policies and the movement of people within the EU under some sort of control. Europeans have a strong sense of identity and individualism which should have been better preserved under the union.

>>78298037
Did the EU force all Europeans to watch that one YouTube video or what? You all sound like robots.

Don't know about you but I hate the fact that it treats everyone equally, so a retard Allah Akbar nig who got here on a boat deserves the same rights and privileges as me and that makes sense according to the EU. Nah fuck that lmao

>>78297798
This

>>78297919
The refugee shit is an integral part of it. Once the nation is diluted its concept becomes meaningless, and its one less obstacle on the way to federalisation. And it makes for excellent diversion while you enforce censorship, surveillance and heavily tax the middle class for it.

>as a federal state i hate the idea of other countries trying to do the same

>>78297742
>As a burger
Stopped reading.

>>78298065
What is NATO?

>>78298049
>Guys, we dont have enough European media in Europe

>I know! Lets make a union that throws all of our cultures out the window to make a homogenized culture with no distinguishing characteristics

>A FEW DECADES LATER.jpg

>B-but why doesn't anyone w-wanna watch m-my socialist propaganda ;_;

>>78298049
Well our own cultures are in crisis with themselves to some degree or straightly being outcompeted. America has sucesfully tied universal worldculture to its own which is why it has become even greater.
If you dont wanna know about lee think about why we fail to know more about our own shit or even to reinvent it.

There's something terribly amusing about a country that fought a scorched earth civil war to preserve a federal government getting on a pedestal about how federalism is bad for others. Somehow I can't imagine yanks would take it so kindly if foreigners were encouraging secessionist movements inside the US.

>>78298177
I think it was to add stability to Europe since there's a history there of war and conflict amongst themselves.

But yes, NATO for military force, EU for economic force.

yanks only dislike the idea of the EU becoming a single super state because it's competition for them

>>78298110
Just because something works (barely) here doesn't mean it will work somewhere else. Also the US is fairly homogeneous in terms of ideologies. Europe has so many different beliefs and approaches to life and ideas just doesn't work.

>>78298141
>Stopped reading.

>Still posts

whew

>>78298222
Says to bong who just left said Union.

>>78298250
Not really desu. Your strengths are in your diversity. The EU wants to take that away.

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>>78298177
>a union that throws all of our cultures out the window to make a homogenized culture with no distinguishing characteristicts
>socialist propaganda
I don't know why I expected an intelligent post about the EU from a Yank, but for a second there I did.

EU as an economic union is fine, I just don't like the political and free movement parts of it.

>>78298305
What about his post didn't make sense, or are you saying that only /pol/tards care about national cultures?

>>78298304
what?
everything's already quite diverse, globalisation guarantees that any sovereign nation will become more diverse over time

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>>78297742
>>78297888
>>78298039
>>78298066
>>78298177
>>78298256
>>78298277
>>78298304
>as an american, let me tell you about your countries and why you should listen to me
Sometimes I need a reminder as to why I don't post often during American hours.

>>78298332
He thinks the EU wants a homogenized culture and he thinks it's somehow socialist, he's a retard.

>>78298308
free trade and free movement go hand in hand, its not so different from the USA were you can travel thousands of kilometres without needing a passport.

>>78297840
funny that you are closer to commie poland than ever before

>>78297834
Why isn't anyone replying to this truth bomb?

>>78298357
Ok then. Listen to an actual >>78297840 European.

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>This thread

I wish people would research subjects even a little before forming opinions about them.

>>78298448
Ok then. Listen to actual >>78297850 >>78298037 >>78298049 >>78298110 >>78298222 >>78298250 >>78298342 >>78298358 Europeans

Fuck the EU. It's doing so much more than it should actually be allowed to. Why the Fuck does a 'trade union' decide anything about how refugees are handled?

>>78298515
This >>78298563

>>78298586
>my /pol/ autism is correct because i have 3 token yuros to back me up!1
>what do you mean anti-eu candidates keep losing elections?!1 (((globalists)))!!!

>>78298515
Luckily we are not EU

>>78298619
I didn't quote you.

>>78298619
then why are you greater albania?

>>78297798
This >>78298448

>>78298619
Wanna take me in? I'm from western Austria if that makes any difference.

>>78297742
Europeans are like american blacks, sure they can read and write (mostly) but give them too much freedom and they degenerate into murder and genocide every time
Europeans need to be subjugated by a central power or we anglos and russians will get drawn in to keep the peace again at a big cost of life
EU is good just like dictators in third world countries because they keep the peace

>>78298110
in all american states they speak the same language, share common history, culture and traditions. most european states barely have anything in common, like ireland and bulgaria or portugal and sweden might as well be from different continents. federal eu would be a disaster.

>>78297742
>they are trying to ignore the last 5000+ years of European history
Yeah, lets have wars and shit. That's much better. Who wouldn't want shortage of food, their home destroyed and their wives raped. Such a great history.

>>78298614
>All that projecting.

>>78298448
>>78298586
>>78298637
Samefag
>>78298713
Are you implying that I'm a /pol/ autist? How retarded are you?

>>78298672
Cпacибo, мoй poccийcкий дpyг. К coжaлeнию, вы eдинcтвeнный, ктo этo пoнимaeт.

>>78298696
ye dude don't forget your history. I declare war on Bulgaria right now for old time's sake

>>78297919
Well u caused the refugee shit

Do you guys think that Anglo influence will weaken now that the bongistani are leaving? I suspect that both the French and Germans will see this as an opportunity to expand their influence.

>>78298761
>мoй poccийcкий дpyг
disgusting

>>78297742
Without EU, we Europeans would be completely powerless and totally dependant on American goodwill.
And no offense, but in the times were you guys elect the likes of Trump, it is a good thing that we are able to say no to USA if necessary

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>>78299138
>Without EU, we Europeans would be completely powerless and totally dependant on American goodwill.
seems like most europeans still don't see the EU as an economic power able to challenge the US

>>78298672
Divide and conquer :DDD

>>78299182
As far as I am aware, USA and EU have about the same GDP (USA a bit more).
However, EU has much more development potential, since we still have many poorly developed countries in EU, and some countries that would like to join in the future

>>78299138
Didn't you start two world wars that we needed to come and intervene in?

>>78299028
Sadly he spoke the truth.

>>78298918
Sure. The colonial powers setting up shit borders leaving even shittier people in power in conjunction with a religion that rules that land that has stagnated the regions growth for the last 800+ years had nothing to do with it.

But yea sure, an intervention which was attempting to rebuild two nations (which your also took part in btw) was the cause of this.

Good thing we're not part of the EU then right?
Fuck I bet you had something to say about Brexit

>>78299182
You really want that Datza in Europe after the Eastern Europe campaign, Dimitri?

>>78299233
And EU is great at preventing wars between member states.
It makes no economic sense to attack entities within your single market

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>>78299221
>USA and EU have about the same GDP (USA a bit more)
not really. but i don't think that nominal gdp is that important. china's most exports are to the US, and america can just stop buying their shit and crush their economy

>>78299249
i don't know what you mean exactly but thankfully now we have america that won't let something like WW2 happen again since america keeps germany (and the eu in general) on a short leash

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>Its a " americans mess with stuff they are too dumb for" thread again

Please, just keep destroying shartistan, but leave us alone

>>78298984
Macron is the Jupiter-Napoléon. L'Empire is coming back to spread light and justice.

>>78299325
Nice deflections, but we all know that without NATO and EU you would be rolling over Poland with full zergrush. And single organisation can be dismantled far easier than two.

>>78299357
>you would be rolling over Poland with full zergrush. And single organisation can be dismantled far
please stop spreading lies and fear

>>78299389
didn't mean to quote the second part

>>78299389
>lies
Somehow Russia seems to be the only nation that sees it right to actually attack other nations to claim land on historical reasons.

>>78299389
This
Russia is a peaceful country that is deeply invested into the territorial sovereignty of its neighbour states.

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>>78299389
>what was crimea?

>>78299422
>>78299433
>>78299435
crimeans peacefully and democratically joined russia by their own will

>>78299435
And Georgia
And Afghanistan
And...

>>78299348
Macron is a clown.

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>>78299453
Hmmmm

>>78299453
Yes, all the 120% of votes were "yes".

>>78299470
Bend the knee or I'll break it.

>>78299456
>And Georgia
nice try but even the EU admitted that it was georgia that started the war
>EU-sponsored report says Georgia started 2008 war
https://euobserver.com/foreign/28747

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-georgia-russia-report-idUSTRE58T4MO20090930

>And Afghanistan
i agree with this one but the USSR paid the price for doing it

>>78299490
so? random people carrying a russian flag, literally not a proof

>>78299493
you can go to crimea yourself and ask locals. you barely find one who tells you he would have preferred crimea to stay ukrainian

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>>78299348
What will you say when your children ask you: "Papa, where were you when Macron was crowned God-Emperor of the Third French Empire?"

>>78299288
its because most people dont think EU as a big entity but they see it as several distinct nations members of a club.

>>78299578
I'll say "Children, I was breaking italian knees".

>>78299597
kek

>>78299581
and this is the way it should stay, as an economic union. otherwise >>78298672

>>78298049
>anglos are at fault for having better culture than we do

>>78298086
This so much. The American constitution just applies to Americans. Our rights are universal. And nobody bothers to update them when they need to discuss it with 27 countries.

The part of that made me laugh was that somebody from Switzerland posted something that calls confederations "an even worse form of government".

Well done.

>>78299660
that doesnt mean they cant unite under a common cause, it just needs some propoganda war.

also USA is as fragile as any country imho, talking the same language means nothing and it is also as diverse as any other country culturally.

>>78299676
The worry about Americanisation is reyarded anyway.

Americans only fill gaps where we have nothing.
We make few good movies, so obviously we get foreign movies.
We lack a cross European language, so obviously the people will then pick one.
And so on.

>>78299775
*retarded

Threads like these make me question whether Americans are actually this fucking stupid and arrogant or if it is one very well done long running joke.

>>78298086
>but I hate the fact that it treats everyone equally, so a retard Allah Akbar nig who got here on a boat deserves the same rights and privileges as me
It's impressive that you have an Internet connection in your little tribe hut.

>>78299826
Well, 8 Dutch parties want a smaller Europe (focus on an economic union first), only 2 smaller ones want to federalize. And 1 thinks a small EU is a myth and wants to leave. So his ideas are not radical here.

>>78299826
You shouldn't forget that many Americans don't have access to good education system.
It is unfair to judge Americans by our standards

>>78299883
Wilders wants to hold a referendum about EU membership, so actually 2 might want to leave.

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>>78299470
I don't even like him but no

Hollande was a clown
Macron is fucking not

He is a dangerous megalomaniac psychopath
An insane sexual deviant freemason rothschild banker
A power-hungry dictator with the full powers and atomic bombs

He is anything but a fucking clown, be wary of him m8

>>78299941
give me a quick rundown on macron?

>>78299883
>>78299909
shut up nerd no one was talking about our small irrelevant country

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>>78299967
"Our life is always at the same time, it is more complex than what we want to reduce, i am not Leibnizian in the writing of history, this is why i do not tell you today, because it would be intempestive, in the proper sense, or in the nietzschean sense, even.
And this is nonetheless not giving sense to a past that to give it the condition to build a future.
You are the confluent of a river in which you inscribe yourself, that is precisely that novel and that story.
A symbol builds itself in the past in which you are yourself anchored, which is my case, and so have built a form of irredentism in the republic"

>>78300055
Sounds like a big guy 2bh

>>78300053
Le small country meme. We'll soon be the fifth economy of the EU.

>>78300087
we are still small and we deserve all the refugees and cuckery now shut up before i visit your home as our country is so small you're almost my neighbour

>>78297742
While I agree in principle, the "as a burger" still triggers me

>>78297742
Many little Nations = Bigger Nations eat smaller Nations

>>78300115
Cant wait to vote for leave. After the reelections later this year.

>>78300055
>Leibnizian and nietzschean
>in one Sentence

A clown that pretends to be smart?

>>78297742
The EU as we know it has a lot of flaws, but I like the concept of a united Europe.

>>78300264
I like the concept of an united Belgium.

With countries like China and India getting their shit together and America becoming more isolationist, Europe can't really afford to continue as it has been. It's unite or be just another irrelevant shithole that's subservient to the Chinese.

t. yuro

>>78300293
We all know that is pure fantasy.

>>78297798
autism

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>>78299549

>>78300055
>my thoughts are too complex for journalists
aka i dont know what i am saying. why are politicians always like this?

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>>78299549

>>78297742
>It's another let me explain your country thread by burger as usual

>>78300210
Not him but what's the issue actually ?
To me it looks like he is just saying he is not Leibnizian and then simply references to Nietzsche about the definition of a concept in an unrelated proposition

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>>78300616
kek well yes but i'd rather have trump, he is just as retarded and doesn't make any sense either but at least he's not pretending to make sense, it's much more honest

>>78301096
He lies plenty in other ways, though.

>>78301096
>uranium is harmful
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE IT'S THE NEXT NEXT OPTION FOR LARGE SCALE CLEAN ENERGY
PHASE PETROLEUM OUT

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There are ongoing balkanization attempts at EU from both US and Russia since a unified Europe would be the strongest state and therefore a direct threat to them.

>>78298379
It's very tipical for PiS supporters and Eurocritics to call others what they are themselves.

>>78301330
>both US and Russia
If we are lucky they will kill one another and leave us alone.

>>78301181
he's a politician of course he lies

at least with trump you can easily understand what he's lying about it's almost innocent like
-hey guys i support putin and assad
-jk lol

macron lies are much more insidious like
-oh yeah guys nationalists are modern day communists, btw i am an ultraliberal and liberalism is a totally left wing value, but fuck the working class though, also i am both left wing and right wing
the whole thing is a lie, only thing you can understand is that everyone's gonna get shafted

You have to be a complete moron to compare the EU to the USSR. I understand that most anons are too young to remember those times, but didn't they teach you about it at school? The EU - a voluntary association of democratic states, you can work or travel where or when you want, wealthier states support the development of infrastructure of the poorer ones vs. the USSR - A group of countries conquered by Russia, milked by Russia, where without the consent of the state, you are not allowed to travel even to other countries under Russian control.

>>78301330
Yeah and imagine if Russia and China merged together...

>>78301622
They have the same rhetoric and the same ideological background (centralism), EU just has a different way of pushing it through.

>>78301005
>>78300210
Probably he hates Leibniz, loves Nietzsche, has no god, has no morality, and sees himself as the übermenschen incarnate

>>78301684

That's not very plausible.

>>78301791
About as plausible as unified Europe

>>78301684
That would be the death of Russia.
The only hope for Russia right now is to remove all the parasites at the top(Putin and his Cronies) and join the EU.If they don't do that China will destroy them one way or another.

So you could say that Russia is pretty dead already since they can't help themselves.

>>78301781
Soviet Union was about imperialism and nothing else. Is centralism different from centralization? I don't know if there is a difference?

>>78301823
All you have to do is make me Emperor of Europe and i will make it happen in less than 20 years.
Not only that but all countries will be happy with the way i've done it.

>>78301221
i really want nuclear energy for turkey too but whenever i say this people go absolutely butthurt here.

>hurr durr wind energy
>hurr durr sun energy
ffs. turkey doesnt have vast deserts to build sun energy farms on top.

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>>78298425
enough said

>>78301823

They are competing countries on a much larger scale than European countries.

>>78301880
>Russia
>ever joining the EU
Dumb post
>China
>a threat to Russia
Love this meme

>>78301462
What is the public opinion of macron in france now? Especially what lefty peeps think about him? What i learned from our media is that left and "progressive" people liked him during the election

>>78301462
who did you vote for? le pen? was there any good candidate in the past election in france? just out of curiousity.

in every election in turkey i vote chp but i hate it, its like, i literally dont have any other option so i am forced to vote for chp because not voting only helps erdoggo etc.

The European superstate is the oldest idea in history. I bet you jerk off to the Romans who invaded foreign lands to force them into their empire. Where's the difference?

>>78301962
he talked to trump, hes on the evil nazi list now.

>>78301922
>implying our tards will be able to operate a nuclear energy plant

>>78301781
In what way is it all the same? What do you mean by that?

>>78302042
we operate every other thing why cant we operate nucular plants?

>>78301942
They are bigger, that's about it

>>78301906
>Soviet Union was about imperialism

And what is EU about? If you were to go by USSR propaganda, it was a heaven on Earth. If you were to go by EU propaganda, countries outside of the EU will collapse economically.

>>78301880
>China will destroy them

There is nothing to destroy. Russia is built in a way in which it can be very much shit but it's going to stay stable.

>>78301622
It's just different methods in archiving totalitarianism. One with force and other with bread. They even want to move further and create one army.

>>78302086
I mean the ultimate goal is to get power and hold onto it. Russians did that by force, EU through economic ties, bribery and complacency.

>>78297798
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EU is the only thing that can protect us from corporocracy.

>>78301962
54% positive
down 10% from his initial 64% approval

he did ok imo but his team has proved pretty incompetent

-corruption affairs so he had to fire a ton of people on the first days (firing then probably kind of saved him though)

-that one black woman in his team made a stupid comment like "yeah dat bitch dead" when talking about a very famous holocaust survivor abortion activist kek

-his team in parliament proved to be very amateurish and incompetent

-he fired the general of the armies for no reason and fucked over the army

i assume the 10% he lost was the older cener-right demographic

>lefty
uh depends what you call lefty
melenchon (important commie party, 20% voters) is the real lefty in this country, he hates him (still said not to vote fn though)
to him he's a rothschild banker fucking over the common people and all that

lefties fucking hate macron

macron voterbase is the apolitical,the centrist, the brainwashed-by-tv people, the unapologetic parisian assholes, and people who just find his personality endearing in general
and tons of women who voted for him because he was good looking and don't really care or know about politics at all

not the lefties, i got to give them that, lefties aren't responsible for this shit for once

>>78301970
>who did you vote for? le pen?
yes
>was there any good candidate in the past election in france?
no

i voted in the rightest party out of spite knowing full well they had no chance but i am fucking butthurt so ofc i voted for them

>>78302019
no, this is france not usa, sjws who care about that always hated him and voted melenchon in the first place

>>78302261
it has nothing to do with corporocracy, lately EU and USA is having a sort of economical war behind the scenes, fining each other's companies left and right. this started when the volkswagen emission """""scandal"""" first happened

>>78302261
You are a fool if you think big business and big government don't come hand in hand.

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>>78302437
It started with apple.

>>78302631
ahh i thought it started with volkswagen. alright then.

>>78302747
Apple has tons of money out of the USA and is waiting for a tax vacation to bring them back for maximum jewing
It's no surprise yanks got buthurt over it.

>>78302821
I think the problem is that multinational corporations have a lot of lobbying power in washington.
EU was specifically designed to make lobby influence more difficult, that makes the mutlicorps butthurt and they try to persuade US to pressure EU.

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>>78301462
>>78302358
The following message is transmitted at the request of Jean-Luc Mélenchon: It's happening. I could have saved you. I tried to warn you but you looked away. You asked for this. You've made your bed, now lie on it. Why didn't you listen? You cannot stop it. It hasn't even begun. It's too late. I told you so. Why did you believe them? Don't call it a grave, it's the future you chose. We are trapped in the belly of this horrible machine and the machine is bleeding to death. It didn't have to end like this. You could have prevented this. You only had to listen. It's happening. It's over.

>he doesn't buy EU products only
*triggered*

>>78302358
I see. At first he looked just another socialist, but now what i have seen in media its quite opposite. His thoughts goes quite near to our moderate righwing partys and i believe it is what france needs now, i mean in economic vice and in labour laws, but france is way more gommie than us so its easy to believe that his approval ratings are going down

>>78302873
i can't take politicians seriously who unironically suggest to leave the eu

>>78302873
if it was melenchon vs macron i'd have voted melenchon t b h

>>78302890
it's true we work too little and have way too much worker protection, on top of that with his measures he's mostly fucking over brown people so no i don't think he's 100% bad from my point of view

my real issue is that he fundamentally stands against france and french culture, globalizing it fully
his goal is transition from half-shithole european-ish state to full blown shithole, a globalized america-like competitive business-nation without culture or identity and for sentimental reasons i just can't condone that

in short : we'll keep being rich but stop being french, i'd rather we stopped being rich and kept being french

>>78302864
True to a degree, but the kicker was that apple didn't give a fuck about brussels, google gets pinched every once in a while, but they have a lobby and communicate and work to have things resolved without fines.
I read a bunch of articles and EUrocrats said Apple had no lobby to speak of and barely had a presence and left a bad impression when they did.

I don't have an issues with lobbies as long as it isn't the sort of crap the us has with companies telling politicians what to pass as law word for word.
But it isn't america exclusive, didn't an SDP have a guy that had his speech written by a car company?

>>>78297742
>Finally the fact that EU officials try to say that European nations wouldn't survive without being part of the Union. Again. 5000+ years of history begs to differ.

Things change, you know. What worked 500 years ago, doesn't work today. Most of the world's superpowers were concentrated on the European continent a 100 years ago, today that's no longer the case. Some kind of cooperation is necessary if we want to continue being relevant on the world's stage.

Not only are we stronger against other countries, but also against multinationals. I love how EU is able to show a middle finger to large companies. It's something small countries such as my own would never be able to do.

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>>78300385
Absolutely this.

The EU cannot rely on the US anymore, it needs to unite and become a global superpower that Russia/China/US wouldn't dream of messing with. If the EU disappears then each European nations will go back to being relatively weak and divided stand no chance against Russian invasion. Before Brexit the EU had the largest economy in the world, yes larger than the US.

I love the idea of the EU but it needs reforms and a better system. Continuously sending money to leech countries like Poland and Greece serves the top countries no good. Plus it could become more democratic. If the EU doesn't become strong, it will either remain a US vassal state full of American military bases, will get invaded by Russia or will become a Chinese tributary state.

I like EU <3

>>78303092
You know, you can just NOT buy the product.

>>78303087
>But it isn't america exclusive, didn't an SDP have a guy that had his speech written by a car company?
Of course, car manufacturers have a lot of influence in German politics.
That's why it is good that Germany is bound by EU laws, and EU civil servants don't really care about lobby interests.

>>78303149
I like the EU and i like that Finland is a part of it <3

I wouldnt mind federalisation if all non euros got kicked out

>>78303239
You would still remain powerless to companies.

EU so powerful it can fuck up any company in the world, including Google.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-google-antitrust-idUSKBN19I108

>EU antitrust regulators hit Alphabet unit Google with a record 2.42-billion-euro ($2.7 billion) fine

Individually European countries would be powerless against American economic imperialism, but Europe as a united economic bloc can prioritize large European companies over American/Chinese ones.

>>78303314
This. EU is necessary to protect European nations from the excesses of neoliberal globalization.

>>78298308
>free movemen
that's the part almost anyone loves though

>>78298066
Nah, not all of us bought into the kool-aid. After all, the EU did everything to cripple Iberia during a critical period of fragility.

>>78298308
>I just don't like the political and free movement parts of it
>i can hop the border to Greece any time i like and go to the beach even when the season here is over
>they can hop the border any time they like and ski in our mountains
>shopping abroad becomes easier too

>>78303560
This.

>>78303083
it's fucking retarded the idea that globalization will actually fix our cultural problems
on paper yeah ok but in practice our immigration isn't diverse like usa (where whites are oppressed btw but that's another topic) it's still 99% black/arab, in fact it's less and less arab and soon atabs wil be considered white, we don't have hispanic+white+black+asian+indian+arab like usa, all we have is christian and muslim
and muslims are not giving up their identity in favour of "laicity" anytime soon

you can globalize and pretend all culture has been erased but that's a lie, people will always find identity to rally around
and what alternative identity to frenchness is globalization offering us then ? LGBT marches ? we'll all dye our hair and get buttfucked ? yeah no

group identity is extremely important in the long term and it is never going away, no we're not all turning into individuals that's retarded
i mean i might as well just directly convert to islam at this point it pains me to say it but they are the only good guys here
or judaism that's a group which isn't going away either but it's not that easy to join it is it ahah

fuck all of you i hope russia nukes france

>>78303314
So pan-european protectionism is better than local protectionism. Are you Quebeci by any chance?

What these fines are are shakedowns and racketeering. None of that money is going to the European people, it's going to be spent on big government "infrastructure" projects which will make some Euro-oligarchs rich. Nor Apple nor Google will come out of it any worse, their market share won't shrink and to think they can't borrow back that money in today's low as fuck interest rate environment is preposterous.

Also, it's a bit suspect how the EU goes mostly after communications/IT companies. If one were to be suspicious, it looks like an attempt to declare their intent to control content.

>>78303644
>it's going to be spent on big government "infrastructure" projects which will make some Euro-oligarchs rich.
So European people don't benefit from new roads?

>>78303644
communications/IT companies are the biggest of the bunch maybe thats why.

>>78303732
Not nearly as much as those building them and those authorizing them. Nevermind the fact that it's not going to be just roads that is going to be built for that money.

>>78303762
Also the most influential and most able to spread discontent against the EU.

>>78303732
no adolf you fucking autist we all know you love your fucking roads but idgaf if i spend 1h45 getting from paris to normandy instead of 2h, i'd rather the whole country burns, it'll take me 10h theb but at least i wouldn't have to cope with living in fucking modern day sodom and gomorrah

>>78303869
I am not really sure what you are talking about, friend.
EU development funds are mostly used to build roads in Eastern Europe, not in France.
And I have no idea what this sodom and gomorrah is refering to

>>78303841
So you benefit from roads but you are mad that others might benefit even more from them?

>>78303732
I though Europeans didn't need to drive and just took trains everywhere?

>>78302437
>this started when the volkswagen emission """""scandal"""" first happened
they deserved it. I hate german cars so much

>>78303962
we use both, cars and trains

This romantic notion of fully sovereign, autarchic and independant nation states is a fairy tale that has never been true in human history.

There always were and will be economical, political and military dependencies and all kinds of alliances and factions.

The EU is a good thing because it allows European countries to stand up to the other established and rising global powers. You just have to look at the projected size of the Chinese economomy in 20 years to get a quick reality check.

Especially the smaller countries are punching above their weight thanks to the union.

Without the union they would be pitted against each other all the time by bigger powers. Don't make me laugh in claiming your little statelet with a population less then a single Chinese city would be more influencial all on its own.

>>78304050
>Especially the smaller countries are punching above their weight thanks to the union.
Bullshit.

>>78303962
fuck off with your stereotypes we cycle

>>78298308
free movement is most attractive part about it for average citizen

>>78304073
A seat on the table and voting powers within common institutions is by any metric more influence than being bullied in adopting policy favoring another power through duress and economical leverage.

>>78298308
An economic union without freely moving labor market doesn't make sense.

>>78303947
>EU development funds are mostly used to build roads in Eastern Europe, not in France.
lmao that's supposed to make me feel better ? that's even worse

>And I have no idea what this sodom and gomorrah is refering to
homosexuals
brown people
feminists
black people
jews
transsexuals
american movies
obesity
rap music
pop music
islam
israel
terrorism
justin bieber
kosovo
beats by dre
junk food
palestine
dieudonné
despacito
paris saint germain
kentucky fried chicken
movies about the holocaust
air jordans

(...)

MAKE IT ALL BURN

>>78303947
So you support taking from international companies to boost local ones?

>>78304050
>Especially the smaller countries are punching above their weight thanks to the union.

Nope. They are ignored inside the EU while otherwise they'd be ignored outside the EU. All EU does is create another level of political establishment, even more disconnected from the people in Europe (note: not people of Europe because Europe is not any kind of identity) and consequences of their actions.

>>78304073
Even France, UK and Germany that are the strongest country in EU are american puppet. How do you think Portugal fare?
EU is our only chance left to be again master of our own future and not some American cuckbox.

>>78304181
can you explain me what EU has to do with justin bieber or obesity?

>>78304270
I'm not even some massive anti-EU guy, but why do you people assume a guy in Portugal is any more loyal to the Franco-German hegemony in the EU than to America?

>>78304316
it hasn't forbidden it and punished it y death sentence to the firing squad yet

>>78304325
It's a scam. EU is basically Germany/France being butthurt that Americans are more successful and powerful on the international stage so they created this "union" to claim independance and offer membership to smaller European countries on the pretense their opinion will matter more (which it won't).

>>78304325
Because they have more to say in the EU. For some time in the last year, Portugal was part of a political alliance of Southern European countries (France was the leader). France and Germany cockblock each other most of the time wich mean this countries are able to have political weight.

That and more cultural proximity. I mean, it's better to discuss Portugese wine with a French amateur than with an overweight american. Both have a superiority complex, but at least one of them share something with you.

>>78304325
>Portuguese people can work or study anyway in EU they want
>Portuguese democratically elected politicians are involved into EU law making process and can veto decisions they dont like
>A person from Portugal has the opportunity to become an EU politician or civil servant
>EU parliament has representatives from Portugal
None of those points apply in Portuguese-American relationship

>tfw mom is married in the UK
>tfw she will have more trouble coming to see me after brexit
I love brexit now.

>>78304415
That's because France is a sovereign country.

>>78297742
Don't get too bothered over it. The EU is dying out anyway.

Eu is the best thing that could ever happen to Europe. It's the only way for Europe to stay influential and to keep it's wealth in the more and more multipolar world. It's also the only working mechanism that allows smaller states to influence the affairs of the continent. If EU was indeed a Germany's child (which it isn't) that would mean Germany did a good job for once.

>>78304705

How many years has EU been dying now?

>>78304481
>Portuguese people can work or study anyway in EU they want

aka braindrain

>Portuguese democratically elected politicians are involved into EU law making process and can veto decisions they dont like
>veto

Unless it gets decided they can't, like with that gun regulation. Also, that also means other countries' politicians get to decide about Portugal

>EU parliament has representatives from Portugal

Who can't do dick if the majority decides to vote for something that is hurting Poortugal

You also forgot about currency that is way too strong for Portugal and way too advantageous for Germany.

>>78304746
>Who can't do dick if the majority decides to vote for something that is hurting Poortugal
Portugal, like every other member state, has veto power

>>78304730
7

>>78304746
>You also forgot about currency that is way too strong for Portugal and way too advantageous for Germany.
This is an example of why EU must change, not a reason to destroy it.

>>78304800
Except when it's the qualified majority voting

>>78304809
lel, you need to be a retard to think your little scheme makes the EU dying, pay your fucking debts

>>78304881
When has the EU ever changed?

>>78304886
>your little scheme
and that would be?

>>78304881
>no reason to destroy it

Take one look at Juncker and his lackeys you'll realize that the only way to reform the EU is to destroy it and start again without ever going above a free trade and movement.

>>78304902
Treaty of Rome
Maastricht Treaty
Lisbon Treaty

>>78304746
What gun regulation? You can legally own guns here. Of course there are restrictions and hoops to go through but it's not impossible.

>>78304963
Let me rephrase.

Why has the EU ever changed direction?

>>78304971
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20170308IPR65677/parliament-approves-revised-eu-gun-law-to-close-security-loopholes

>>78304959
My personnal opinion is that we have only one shot at this. If we destroy the EU, there will never be any replacement.

>>78298037
this also fuck anglos

>>78305068
>If we destroy the EU, there will never be any replacement.
Sounds good to me.

>>78297742
I fucking hate Europe and all of these ignorants "europeans" unaware that their countries indeed have cultures and that the EU is basically a way to fuck us all deep in the ass.

Sad thing is, they won a long time ago.

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>>78304050
>ohoh yes goyim think of the potential power and wealth we'll have under our ru- ehm - united rule
Peter Hitchens put it best: The EU is the continuation of Germany by other means.

>>78305020
when it switched to the Multi-speed Europe philosophy

>>78305068
Better than having another USSR

>>78304504
lmao no it's not it's an american puppet state ever since de gaulle left

>>78304800
On a some things. Veto power killed the PLC, it's good that it isn't absolute in EU.

>>78298619
t. Albanian

>>78305117
That's not a change of direction, that's EU politicians acknowledging reality after about 15 years of ignoring it

>>78305097
>>78305120
Enjoy being American/Chinese/Russian/German/Anycountryreally cocksleeve then.

>>78305274
>German
What's the difference?

>>78305274
America treated us better than literally any other European country.

>>78304717
This so much. The Netherlands needs to unite with Poland to retain its wealth.

>>78305555
you are of course always free to leave the EU

>>78305555

You are naive if you think USA won't strong arm your country to more beneficial contracts for them. They can't strong arm EU as much.

>>78305749
The Netherlands and the USA have been allies since its founding. I can think of worse scenarios. Like being ruled by European socialists.

>>78305386
>>78305274
>implying germans have anywhere near enough power to control fucking anything
yeah right i fucking wish they did, they aren't sovereign at all they belong to the USA
germans don't even rule germany, let alone europe

>>78305784
Portugal and the US have also good relationships since their foundation. We recognized the US as an independent country in 1791.

https://history.state.gov/countries/portugal

>>78305749
Just like they are strongarming Switzerland or Norway, right?

>>78305784

Netherlands is also one of the founders of the EU.

Also, being allies with them doesn't really nullify their massive leverage.

>>78305955
USA strongarmed Switzerland to reveal their bank secret to American authorities

>>78305876
We supplied more than half of their arms for their independence war.
And fought a global war with the UK at the same time.

>>78305784
>>78305876
hahaha, and you think USA wont strongarm you just because you were friends 300 years ago?

>>78305978
Germany strongarmed Greece into austerity

Now which is more hurtful?

>>78306039
We are still friends. We fight along side each other in every war. We also fought with them against Japan. Against Korea. Everywhere. They use our Caribbean bases.

Unlike this certain neighbor of ours.

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>>78305876
>>78306016
>>78306127
>Implying they care about if you helped them or not

>>78306127

They do recognize the benefits of win-win thinking after all. Yet, if they -really- want something from you, a european nation alone is pretty powerless to resist them.

>>78306102
dont move the goalpost
you implied usa wouldnt strongarm switzerland, and this statement is simply wrong

>>78306127
so you wanna leave eu because of sovereignty, and then totally depend on americas goodwill?

>>78306446
No, but a coalition of like minded states is preferable to a coalition of completely random countries.

>>78306565
>coalition of like minded states
thats eu

>>78306628
>European countries are like minded

Now there is a big lie

>>78305580
The Netherlands is united with Poland (EU) and it does help both of our countries.

>>78307299
you think netherlands have more in common with usa than germany? give me a break

>>78307826
I'm saying there is hardly anything connecting for example Ireland and Greece. Well, maybe PIIGS membership but that's about it.

NIGEL'D
fuck eu

>>78297742
you just mad we're taking over your position as world power

EU fo lyfe

>>78297742
>says the american whos culture war is spreading like a metastasis through europe.

>>78309595
>whos culture war is spreading like a metastasis through europe
How so?

Unironically, nothing unites Europeans better than American culture. Thanks to Holywood we are all Americanized.

I just wish for federal fortress Europa.

>>78303644
>So pan-european protectionism is better than local protectionism

Obviously. A multinational doesn't care if they loose Slovenian market, but loosing the entire EU market is a disaster for them.

>>78310042
kek
you better finish that Cyberpunk 2077 fast or there will be riots

>>78297742
You are fucking retarded

If you are a Finn and support EU you are a traitor.

>>78298277
Do you think if I have a flag I somehow must hold identical views to the rest of my countrymen?

>>78312100
kys, eu will prevail over nationalism and other retardations

>>78310096
>I just wish for federal fortress Europa.
There needs to be a strong push against refugees.
Europe is not the only place on the planet.They should fuck off to China/Russia or the USA.

>>78312187
Say goodbye to global diversity.

>>78312187
>nationalism is a retardation
And here we have an individual whose identity is so nonexistent that he is willing to sacrifice what he has for some empty platitudes such as "diversity" and "tolerance".

>>78312724
nationalism is a 19th century meme

>>78312760
Sovereign and independent nations have been a thing since the dawn of mankind. Nationalism or patriotism (same thing) are only natural.

>>78297742
It's shit like this that makes me worried about the rise of the alt-right in the US, it won't be long until you lunatics start attacking countries because you think they're not "preserving their culture", whatever that means

>>78312888
>alt-right
Don't tell me if you fell for this meme. There is no alt-right.

>>78312834
there were sovereign rulers and sovereign city states, but national state is an idea that appeard during the napoleonic wars

>>78312760
>what are tribes
>what are confederacies of tribes
Politics were governed by kinship and tribalism since at least we lived on trees.

>>78312961
>national state is an idea that appeard during the napoleonic wars
And gyros were invented in New York. If you define something narrowly enough it was invented in the USA.

>>78297742
>The biggest perhaps is that they are trying to ignore the last 5000+ years of European history, and forget why those fucking borders existed in the first place
Meh, the reason is politics. And they're trying to change through politics.

I agree on your second point on the policies though, it's the same crap you see in large countries and IT DOES NOT FUCKING WORK. Legal centralization is A BAD IDEA.

>>78313063
the idea that all people should be united within a nation literally didn't exist before napoleon

>what are confederacies of tribes
certanly not nations

>>78312888
I mean, they should preserve their culture, but your country comes first.

>>78312724
not being invested in identity politics doesn't mean that i'm willing to sacrifice what i have. i just realize that what i have isn't related to nationalism or other memes.

>>78313113
>what are confederacies of tribes
>certanly not nations
Then why are indigenous peoples also called first nations?
Confederacies of tribes are nations within definition too.

>>78313113
>the idea that all people should be united within a nation literally didn't exist before napoleon
This is absurd.

>>78313181
he's right though

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Here's a picture of an early nation state.

>>78313181
I agree that the idea of nationalism is absurd, but when you really think about it, it is not more absurd than to imagine the king was chosen by god

>>78313171
>Then why are indigenous peoples also called first nations?
because the name was made up by europeans

>>78313216
In retrospect, I don't understand what his statement means.
>"all people united within a nation"
????
All human beings in one nation?

>>78313181
it may seem absurd to us, but he's right. nationalism didn't mean shit to people in pre westphalian times who got riled up about different religious dogmas instead etc.

>>78313234
Here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egypt

Ancient Egypt was an ethno-state.

>>78313153
>identity politics
What? This is a 20th and 21st century meme.

>>78313265
>nationalism didn't mean shit to people
That's a vague statement. What is "nationalism"? What does "meaning shit to people" mean? There were de facto ethno-states before the 19th century. Like the ancient egypt. Ancients had an idea of what an "egypt" was and Egypt was a state composed of egyptians.

>>78313317
nationalism is THE original identity politics or ur-identity politics

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>>78313366
*of what an "egyptian" was

>>78313370
>patriotism is identity politics
no

>>78313366
>What does "meaning shit to people" mean?

well pre westphalian times people didn't care whether you were bavarian or not but rather whether you were protestant or catholic

>>78313370
People have always formed bonds based on language, kinship, geographic isolation, etc.. Ethnic groups formed de facto ethno-states naturally, regardless of jargon or ideologies.

Come home European man!
>>78313382

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LD3NKlS55g

>>78313442
>European man
I'm Portuguese first and Iberian second.

>>78313261
no, he's talking about the notion of "nation", a place defined by geographical borders where a certain people that share a culture live. That is a fairly recent idea

europa universalis just makes it like that so it's easier for you to play, you know

>>78313430
>well pre westphalian times people didn't care whether you were bavarian or not but rather whether you were protestant or catholic
The reality of the highly fragmented Holy Roman Empire isn't the reality of the entire world and doesn't reflect the entirety of world history.

>>78313304
what we call "Ancient Egypt" was a number of different kingdoms/empires that existed in different time periods and covered different territories.

>>78313487
>That is a fairly recent idea
But that's absurd. Ancient egypt was de facto an ethno-state.

>>78313487
>equating a video game with real life
>>>/global/rules/3

>>78313503
Are you a "we wuz"-er?

>>78313503
New Kingdom then.

>>78313523
you can keep saying it's absurd all you want, ancient egypt was never "de facto" anything

"That region is called Egypt and that's where Egyptians live" is different from "That is a country with borders called Egypt and the people who live in that country are Egyptian citizens"

>>78313621
Our borders have been defined since 1297. Stop trolling.

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>>78313621
Ok, I'll give you an idea why New Kingdom Egypt was de facto an ethno-state. Pic related. Geographic isolation. You did not required ideologies, politicians or academics to define words. You had a shared culture, kinship and genetics in an isolated area around a river, surrounded by desolation.

I don't know where Europeans have gotten this idea that the American government is anti-EU from, Washington has been aggressively pro-federalist all the way back to the EEC.

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>>78313565
>>78313687
are syrians egyptians aswell?

>>78313661
they weren't defined at all until the 19th century

>>78298509
You're talking about an Americunt, what did you expect?

>>78298918
>Well u caused the refugee shit
Syria?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35806229

>Long before the conflict began, many Syrians complained about high unemployment, widespread corruption, a lack of political freedom and state repression under President Bashar al-Assad, who succeeded his father, Hafez, in 2000.

We didn't install Assad, so no. Far from it, actually, since Assad is Russia-aligned.

All of the other countries who pretended to be Syrian but are really just economic migrants?

Also no, check out Gadhaffi before he was killed.

https://youtu.be/9tkRsfZ1r4c

>"Libya was the wall that prevented a stream of migrants from reaching Europe. You have ruined it, you idiots!"

And who pushed for intervention in Libya? Not us. It was Obama's "leading from behind" era.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya

>23 February 2011: French President Nicolas Sarkozy pushed for the European Union (EU) to pass sanctions against Gaddafi (freezing Gaddafi family funds abroad) and demand he stop attacks against civilians.

>25 February 2011: Sarkozy said Gaddafi "must go."[55]

>28 February 2011: British Prime Minister David Cameron proposed the idea of a no-fly zone to prevent Gaddafi from "airlifting mercenaries" and "using his military aeroplanes and armoured helicopters against civilians."[45]

>14 March 2011: In Paris at the Élysée Palace, before the summit with the G8 Minister for Foreign Affairs, Sarkozy, who is also the president of the G8, along with French Foreign Minister Alain Juppé met with US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and pressed her to push for intervention in Libya.[62]

That's right, Britain and France. Look for the names of American diplomats and leaders in that chronology; we're nowhere to be seen. France and the UK used our NATO hardware to destroy Libya.

And that is why Europe is flooded with "refugees."

>>78313440
This

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>>78313798
Old Kingdom then.

>>78313800
>forgetting about the Treaty of Alcañices

>>78313798
Those territories were more like vassal states. Or where princes went to learn how to govern. Just like the British empire had colonies and overseas territories, but it doesn't make the indigenous population British, does it?

>>78313837
sounds to me like you are making up shit as you go

>>78313871
>I ran out of gibberish to regurgitate.

>>78313870
>>78313917
>"Nationalism" is the term historians used to characterize the modern sense of national political autonomy and self-determination from the late 18th century onwards.[15]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism#History