Daily Japanese Thread - DJT # 1891

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Does anyone have a way for me to download the pimsleur japanese lessons for free? I finished the first 2 units on audible but then I noticed in reviews that some people said the most just get the lssons for free so now I feel like a fucking idiot for paying. I have searched and cant find any of the lessons for free beyond the first unit. Thanks in advance if anyone can help

>>78283433
僕が聞いた噂によると、出来ないちゃんは日本語学習者のこぼした涙をあつめて潤滑剤として使っているらしい

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DJT, show me your production skills.

Write a short dialogue between a squirrel and a pair of scissors.

Could someone tell me what つける means in the context of 自分で反動つけたらうごくから?

>>78286544
Apply
If you apply reactionary force by yourself the swing will move, Yotsuba you stupid little shit

She's telling her to kick instead of needing to be pushed if you still don't get it

Why does Kanji exist still?

>>78282495
>>78282495
Use the Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course. It's a book found in the guide.

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>>78285861
はさみ: おい、リス
リス: なんだ
はさみ: あんた、私がはさみだってこと知っているだろう
リス: ええと、そうだけど
はさみ: 最近、あんたを挟んで切ってもいいかなと思ってた
リス: いやだ
はさみ: なんで
リス: 死ぬだから、それに痛い
はさみ: そうか。。。少しだけで大丈夫?
リス: 絶対だめ!!!

スコットランドはイギリスの北海道

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>>78288652

ベグビー先輩、おチンチン見せてくれ?

>>78289953
ないはベンダです

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Is it better to learn individual Kanji with vocab examples like in the Kanji learner books, or is learning solely vocab through 2k deck/reading from the get-go a better choice?

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>start actually trying to read doujinshi/eromanga
>won't let myself get to the sex until I read and understand every page before

I CAN DO THIS.

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615 days streaks end because I forgot to do Anki for one day. Fucking Sunday.

日本から韓国まで2時間半しかかかりません。
Nihon kara Kankoku made ni-jikan han shika kakarimasen.
"It takes only two hours and a half to get to South Korea from Japan."
ケイトは漢字を5こしか知らない。
Keito wa kanji o go-ko shika shiranai.
"Kate knows only five kanji."

This just fucked me up. Why is it shiranai and not shitteiru? I know it's because shika is used but why must it always be used with a negative?

Would it be more proper to translate shika as nothing but instead of only? That's the only way it makes sense to me.

>>78295024
That would be more literal, yes. Look it up in DoJG.

>>78295024
It's "except for." She does not know any except for five. かなしか読めない can't read except for kana. しか is always used with a negative predicate.

>>78295358
Ok that makes more sense in my brain. I don't like the way Jappod101 translated it.

This language is fun but my first week into it still feels very overwhelming, hopefully can finish Tae Kim before Christmas and start reading.
Is it best to read while I'm still brand new or will it burn me out?

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What are you listening to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODebErZ97NM

>>78296366
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16mNjPICjb0

>>78296265
The best advice I can give you as someone who was struggling a lot learning this language is, don't kid yourself. This language is hard and overwhelming and often you'll wonder if you're even progressing at all, but that doesn't mean you're not progressing. It's a common feeling that everyone feels for a long time. So as long as you just stick with it by studying good materials for a few hours every day you'll definitely get there. I'd say you should do multiple things such as reading, listening, grammar, writing (your own sentences) as much as you can along side Tae Kim so you can actually practice what you learned.

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>>78286544
ある物事・状態・作用などが新たに生じたり、増し加わったりする。「電話がつく」「味がつく」「はずみがつく」
この「つく」の他動詞形が、この「つける」

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>>78296265
Through determination, the dream became true.

どうして、ここでいる?過去で、皆は/a/でポストしていた、何が起こった?

>>78292785
お気の毒ですね
(´・ω・｀)

How do I properly train my listening skills? I listen to jpod101 but I've never been able to listen to an entire skit without needing to repeat it 10 times or read the translation. And when I do that and listen to it again it feels like I'm recalling a pre-made translation I've made in my head rather than interpreting what's being said at the time.

>>78299823
it's easier to listen to something if you already know all the words, then it's a matter of training your ears

>>78299823
Transcription, or English translation? Either way, you need to read more and get accustomed to the words and different contexts in which they're used. Mastering things like pitch accents or conversational slurring aren't helpful without that foundation.

How lond will it take from scratch to reading japanese novels? 10 years?

>>78300380
It's just around 2500 hours. Good luck!

>>78300641
Are you Japanese?

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>>78300912
Hai.

>>78300380
Depends on how quick express delivery is wherever you live.

Simply buy a Japanese novel in whatever language you understand.

>>78301077
Tell your mother I left my watch on the nightstand and that I need it back.

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好きでい続ける is "continue being in love" right?

>>78283352
https://youtu.be/IeE-nrWJLjk

>>78302687
Stop spamming this fucking Youtube channel.

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>>78295024
日本語には「係り結び」という文法法則があるんだよ。
「~しか、~ない」は、文末の動詞は必ず否定形になる。これを否定で結ぶという。
ほかにも「ぞ・なむ・や・か」の係助詞は、連体形で結ぶ。「こそ」は已然形で結ぶ。「は・も」は終止形で結ぶ。
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BF%82%E3%82%8A%E7%B5%90%E3%81%B3
>>78302256
keep on loving

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A husband and wife are fighting, and this is a description of the husband after the wife said something insulting to him:
「父親は怒るよりも先に驚いていた。」

What does 先に mean here?

>>78303421
smelly pussy...no thanks to me

you pay to much attention to particles

>>78296425
good taste senpai

>>78303513
because you guys talk too little and assume too much

>>78303421
>Xよりも先にY

That's what you are looking for an explanation for.
I would read it as "rather than being angry, my father was surprised", but I have never seen that idiom before, so I'm merely guessing.

Is there a difference between yamete and yamero?

>>78303421
I'd say something along the lines of foremost

>>78304054
Well, the first one is the te-form, the second one is the imperative.
The te-form may be used imperatively (usually with kure/kudasai), but it's way more versatile than that.

The first one is in tone what a woman would use.
The second one is in tone what would be used by a superior towards his underlings.

>さあ、行っといで
What does this mean?
it sounds like they were telling the person to go but what conjugation is this?

>>78304843
行っておいで

>>78304907
can おいで mean to go? i thought it just meant "come here"

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>>78288522
ナイス。切るのは結局鋏の生き甲斐です。

>>78304950
行っておいで is like 行ってらっしゃい but spoken from a equal/higher status
status sounds awkward but you know what I mean

>>78303245
否定形は活用形じゃなくて未然形と打ち消しの助動詞からできた連語だから、係り結びより呼応というんじゃないですか

現代日本語には係り結びという現象は起こりません

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>>78309829
いいえ、呼応というのは、もっと広い概念だと思います。
が文法用語として使う定義を知りません。
日本語のaffixには、接頭辞と接尾辞がセットになるものもあります。また、「全く~ない」のような副詞との述語の関係も、一般言語の意味に於いて呼応でしょう。
現代の日本語には、終止形を結びとする「は・も」を除くと、「しか」しか結びを持たないとするのが一般的です。
『係助詞:
ついた語に意味を添えて強調するもの。述語と呼応することもある(古典語では係り結びがあり、現代語では「しか」が否定形に呼応)』
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/助詞

>>78304950
おいで comes from お plus 出で (いで), the 連用形 of 出づ (いづ), the archaic form of 出る. お出でになる can be used to mean 行く, 来る or 居る honorifically, just like いらっしゃる.

お出で can also be used as an abbreviated form of お出でなさい, a polite command form. This can be used as a supplementary verb attached to the て-form to mean ~ていけ, ~てこい, ~ていろ.

>>78310369
English-speaking linguists seem to be moving towards using "particle" as a generic term meaning "grammatical function words", including clitics (['s]), prepositions ("on"), postpositions ("ago"), and "traditional" particles ("to"). Exactly because of how crappy and uncoordinated English grammatical jargon is.

>>78310369
>(古典語では係り結びがあり、現代語では「しか」が否定形に呼応)
だから現代の「~しか~ない」は厳密に係り結びと言えないと思います
古語の「ぞ」や「こそ」の係助詞は文末の用語の活用形をそのもの変化させるけど、現代語の「しか」はある活用形と結ぶわけじゃなく、ある意味の助動詞(打ち消しの「ぬ」、「ず」、「ない」等)と結ぶのです。
だから係り結びというより、副詞の呼応みたいなもの(「もし~たら」とか)に相当するではないかと

>>78310609
私は英文法の研究はしていないので、その質問に直接答える意義を見出せません。
しかし、こういうことは言える訳です。
例えば、日本語の「助詞」という概念をどのように英語で伝えるか、翻訳するかについてすら:
1 particle
2 postposition
3 affix
のいずれを選択するかという問題がある訳です。
それは、単にtermの選択ではなく、それぞれ背景とする理論そのものが違うし、日本語文法に関する体系性そのものが異なる訳です。私は、国文法(橋本文法)を基本にして文節の品詞分解で文法的解説を統一していますが、国文法以外の知識を必要とする解説は言語学上のtermを適時援用しています。
これは、日本語に内在して説明する以上避けがたい問題であり、英語やラテン語の文法とは関係はありません。

>>78301022
Man I love this show. I've never been able to find anything like it. I can't find a reliable way to watch it though. DVDs are close to $50 and blu-ray is almost double that.

>>78310499
wow, funny how i never read this kind of stuff in the text books or guides i find yet learning the origin is always helpful.
Thanks man

Can 何が何だか分からない be used when feeling around inside of a bag and you don't know what it is that you are feeling?

>>78311336
言いたいことは分かりましたが、そもそも係助詞そのものが副助詞の下位概念です。
「しか」については、元々係り結びの構文に「~こそ~しか」という係り結びの逆接用法のというものがあるのです。
「さま悪しき御もてなしゆゑこそ、すげなう嫉みたまひしか、・・・」(源氏・桐壺)
見苦しいまでの御寵愛ゆえに、冷たくお妬みなさったのだが、
この「が」に注目してください。
「昨日こそ/早苗とりしか/いつの間に/稲葉そよぎて/秋風の吹く」
つい昨日、早苗を取って田植えをしたと思っているのに、いつの間にかもう、稲葉となって、そよがせる秋風が吹いていることよ。
こり「のに」に注目してください。
「しか」の語源は助動詞「き」の已然形です。
これが、近世以降、「てしか」や「にしか」の形で、「こそ」と切り離して(省略して)係助詞「しか」となり、「しか」以降の内容が逆接であることが転じて「打消しの語を伴って、特定の事柄以外のものを全く否定する意を表す」こととなったのです。
で、現代語では、「しか」は、実は「だけしか」や「のみしか」など限定の副助詞と組み合わせ、「しか」以降が否定であることをあらかじめ示し、主文の述語に否定形がくることを示すことに特化した用法が、「しかない」などの成句を除いて一般的です。
で、この用法そのものが「結び」(文の終わり方)に他ならないのです。
換言すれば、「だけ」や「こそ」の他の限定を示す副助詞とは違う特殊な副助詞であるので、「しか」は係助詞と呼ばれるのです。そして、上に見たような歴史的経緯もあり、中世の「係り結び」の結びの方ですが、係り結びの名残として「~しか~ない」の関係性も「係り結び」と呼ばれるのです。副助詞は付いた語句を副詞句に変えるものですから、副詞の呼応関係と異なるものでもありません。

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>>78313290
具体的なバックの中身がわからない時は「何が入っていいるかわからない」で「何が何だかわからない」は余り使わない。
if you are confused because you don't know what it is that you are feeling,
you can use 何が何だか分からない

>>78313956
*何が入っているかわからない

Hi! I am Takafumi Aita.

Nickname is Takkun and punk rocker, haha.

Thank you for coming to my page.

I enjoy learning English!!

I wanna communicate with people of various countries!!

Lets enjoy using in English!

Nice to meet you, everyone!

I respect for pantera yeah!!!!!!!!

I like them better than anyone else.

My aim is to go abroad and roam around the world while doing business overseas and go to Dallas Texas of America and exchange liquor with a member of Pantera.

Also I wanna live in Canada!

But my final goal is to connect with people all over the world!!
I want to be friends, any nationalities, females or males and cultures. These do not matter!!

Im sure to be WORLD TAKKUN!!!

If you are interested in me even a little, please be friends!

>>78310609
>how crappy and uncoordinated
I don't see it that way. There has been linguistic, academic pedantism since forever, but relativism has taken an influence of its own. The same system that allows humanities to be called "social sciences" tries to validate all forms of speech as variations, no right or wrong.

Disputes like le Oxford Comma meme pale in comparison, this would be an occasion where both sides of the conversation would unite against the total anarchism proposed by modern "linguists".

Just see how you were able to label pretty much everything, there is no point in making it less specific other than creating an umbrella term for further flexibility on rules.

Yeah, I'm being a grammar nazi in the sense I believe the academy should be responsible for keeping the language in check and avoiding its degeneration, instead of merely being an observational field where there is just reporting the "natural evolution" of language. It's not something that has been always possible, but technology is not ubiquitous and we have the means to preserve a language's core much longer than in the past. Consistency makes me happy, retrocompatibility too.

>>78314278
There is no academy for linguistic jargon in any language. Every linguistic discipline has disagreements on how to use words. If you think that English linguistic jargon isn't so uncoordinated that it causes problems, you don't know enough about English linguistics to have an opinion about it. "Particle" can mean anything. "Adverb" and "conjunction" have at least four completely incompatible formal definitions. Nobody knows what "imperfective" is supposed to mean. People can't agree on the difference between gerunds and participles, and have given up so hard that they just say "gerund-participle nexus".

That's why if you want to get serious about a language's grammar you need to use that language's own grammatical terms.
Obviously if you don't actually speak that language yet you need to start by fumbling around with your own language's grammatical terms that fit like square pegs in round holes but you should be striving to eventually learn to understand the language's grammar the way its native speakers understand it the whole time.

>>78314418
they just say "gerund-participle"*

>>78314418
My point is you don't see people cocksucking on the Altaic language just because they can't reach a consensus on narrower language families.
Oversimplifying it will only make it more foggy.

>>78314845
No idea what you're trying to say dude.

>>78314880
the hue is a rambling autistic

>>78314278
>>78314418
>>78314845
>>78314880
まあ、難しいね。
日本語文法に特化しても「助詞」は「詞」か「辞」かという問題があり、現在は圧倒的に「辞」が優勢だろう。もっとも日本人の殆どが習う学校文法では「自立語」と「非自立語」に分け、「助詞」は「非自立語」であり、活用語尾などは「辞」として「語」の一部とする。これは言語学とはかなり離れた用語法だ。
困ったことに、日本語では主要な文法体系が6つあり、DJTのJGなども含めれば7つあり、用語そのものに互換性がない。
例えば日本語の「助動詞」という概念そのものも、auxiliary verbと書く時は「補助動詞」を指し、国文法の助動詞に該当するものは、例えば、JGでは conjugationの一部、言語学的にはconjugative suffixとしてとらえられ、これに該当する概念がない。多くのnative JapaneseがJGを説明に採用できないと考えるのは、日本語には5つの活用形と5つの活用の型しかないからです。

>>78313956
Ah, okay. Thank you. That explanation cleared it up.

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What is the key contextual difference between ゆっくり and 遅い?

>>78317694
take it easy
vs
slow/late in general

>>78317694
Someone who wakes up late and speeds to work and is still late is 遅い but not ゆっくり. Someone who casually walks to an important appointment and gets there half an hour early is ゆっくり but not 遅い.

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finally reached the chapter about worst girl (pic related).... ffs, this will take me forever

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Would there be any difference in nuance if it was just って instead of だって in these two situations? Does the だ serve a purpose?

Also, in second example, how is だ allowed to be there without at least a ん or の in between? Maybe this is just for quoting?

>>78321983
https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/
ctrl+f だって there's three entries on it with multiple senses each have fun

だって is a compound grammatical construction with its own syntactical rules.

>>78321983
>［終助］《係助詞「だって」の文末用法から》引用句に付く。相手の言葉に対して、非難・驚きの気持ちを込めて強調する意を表す。「欲しいくせに、いらないだってさ」「なぜ休んだかだって。病気だよ」
[Final Particle] (From the use of the bound particle だって at the end of a sentence) Attaches to a quoted phrase. Expresses emphasis by including feelings of criticism or surprise with regards to someone else's words. "Even though she wants it, she doesn't need it she says!" "'Why did you take the day off?' he says! I'm sick!"

"Yotsuba wants to go out to play, she says. To the beach." (That might be out of the question, though)

"You're well done, it says!" (See, you're amazing after all!)

>>78319029
How is Bakemonogatari in terms of difficulty? I always thought I'd wait until I was master nippongo as to not ruin the apparently clever and punny exprience, but studying the character's names seemed like a walk on the beach, not as deep as I first thought it would be.

>>78322854

Thanks. One more thing, is it grammatically correct/common to have だって directly after past tense, or non-past?

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>>78322933
I don't know really how to answer that, but I think pic related sort of represents the average difficulty

>>78323128
Yeah, it's normal for 終助詞 final particles to come after the 終止形 sentence-ending form. It would be hard for them to exist otherwise.

>>78323313

Thanks again

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カナダの朝ごはんです。

あなたは好きですか?

>>78323970
SPINACH
A FUCKING CUP OF SPINACH
全くカナダ人は

So if I practice phonetics enough, what are my chances old becoming a seiyuu?

>>78324026
i force myself to eat a vegetable, nothing personal kiddo.

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>>78323970
はあああい、苺とルッコラとゲロが大好きです!

>>78323970

Looks pretty good to me

I don't understand what it means to put a に after a verb
for instance, this sentence
君が身勝手に語り出した自身の状況から推察したに過ぎない
the character this person is talking to doesn't know who they are or where they are
I don't understand the したに過ぎない specifically

How old were you guys when you started learning?
How old are you now?

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>>78325419
17. 25.

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>>78325419
22
28

>>78325399
>したに過ぎない
Nothing more than...
Did ... and nothing more.

Why does r/learnjapanese like genki so much?

>>78326436
>>78327104
Why does it take so long? Is it because you are learning alone and not talking with someone in Japanese?

>>78327879
it's basically just a hobby so I don't really care how long it takes, I'm also learning french on the side, and sometimes you just don't have the time for productive learning
the first year I didn't even want to learn japanese per se, I was just trying to understand my animu a little bit better and getting around anything too serious

>>78327879
I spent 7 years learning almost nothing, every couple months I'd pick up a book and learn first grade kanji. By the time I'd study again, I had to review them because I had already forgotten.

I've been learning daily and with a method for only 18 months, actually. And I'm making satisfactory progress, shouldn't take more than 2 years now to get proficient.

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>>78317694
遅いは単に「遅い」こと、速くないこと、早くないこと
ゆっくりは;「ゆっくりした足どり」のように速くはないの意、「久しぶりにゆっくり(のんびり)する」のように気楽なさまの意などでは相通じて用いられる。
「ゆっくり」は、「今晩ゆっくり考える」「ゆっくり間に合う」「ふたりでもゆっくり座れる椅子」など、急がず時間をかけて行う意や、時間的・空間的余裕がある意に多く用いられる。
のんびり」は、「のんびり育つ」「のんびり暮らす」「のんびりした風景」など、こせついたところがなく、のどかなようすである意に重点がある。◇類似の語に「のろのろ」「そろそろ」がある。「のろのろ」は「のろのろ(と)起き上がる」のように、たいそう遅いさまを表し、「そろそろ」は「腰を痛めてそろそろ(と)歩く」のように承知して遅く行動する意を表す。

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>>78321983
よつばが遊びにいこうだって→よつばが遊びに行きたいと言っているんだよ
よつばが遊びにいこうって→よつばが遊びに行こうと
「って」の語源が「とて」であるのに対して「だって」の語源は「だとて」
断定の助動詞「だ」が加わわる分だけ、意味がつよくなる。
>>78322854
辞書には、そう載っているが、意味はそこまで強くない。この場合は、よつばから聞いた内容を電話の相手に伝える「伝聞」の機能で「と言っている」という感じ。

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Why does core give me hiragana for the actual word but use kanji in the sentence?
also
>>78292785
what plugin is that

>>78330708
従兄弟 and 従姉妹 are 熟字訓 spellings it's probably not that important to memorize, but I didn't make the deck.

Apparently 届けない can be written as 届ない. Why and why doesn't jisho tell me so?

So how'd you do, DJT?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKLSGgYolUM

>>78331496
Managed to read:
爛熟*
佇む**
大腿骨*
蝕む**
俯く**
拙い***
潔い**
卑しい**
*no idea what it means
**are in Core
***mined myself

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>>78331260
自動詞「届く」の否定形「届かない」と区別するために、「届けない」と書いてください。

>>78332092
But 届けない and 届かない are not similar...

>>78331496
I could read 34, although a few of them were words I hadn't seen before, hadn't seen written with those kanji, or the result of guesswork: 傍迷惑, 爛熟, 屑籠, 訛った, 佇む, 報い, 筏, 恥曝し, 膠着, 与した, 蝕む, 剝き出し, 弄ぶ, 激昂, 俯く, 仰々しい, 命辛辛, 心許ない, 東風, 慇懃無礼, 厭う, 碌に, 霊廟, 曰く付き, 雉鳩, 黒犀, 言い捲くった, 田鼈, 飛礫, 穿つ, 拙い, ひそひそ話, 潔い, 卑しい
I also knew the other reading for 傀儡.
In retrospect, 凝視た was also a pretty obvious one...

The reason 届ける is written 届ける and not 届る is because even though the け never changes it's technically part of the inflectional ending. The 語幹 or root of とどける is just とど because it conjugates とど•け、とど•け、とど•ける、とど•ける、とど•けれ、とど•けろ. The fact that the ending is always け (with る, れ, or ろ sometimes appended) is what makes it a 下一段 verb - the ending uses only one vowel grade (The え grade), which is in the lower half below the う grade when あいうえお are written vertically. 五段 verbs use all five vowel grades, and 上一段 use only one vowel grade in the upper half.

Most 一段 verbs are written with the full inflectional ending in 送り仮名, as in 食•べる, 起•きる instead of 食る, 起る, but there are some 一段 verbs where the root and ending overlap, that are technically "rootless." Some 上一段 examples are 見る and all the いるs (居る、射る、鋳る probably more). 見る conjugates み、み、みる、みる、みれ、みろ - there is no • because there's nothing that comes before the inflection. The word is pure inflection. These rootless words were the original 上一段 verbs, back when there were only a few of them.

There are also some rootless 下一段 verbs that derive from single-syllable 下二段 verbs. 経る, which was just 「ふ」 in classical Japanese, is one example. (得る also used to just be 「う」and is still rootless, but it retained the 二段 conjugation and did not become 一段.)

する and くる are also rootless.

If a verb is written with the 送り仮名 "る", as in 減る, 知る, 経る, 見る, then that verb must be either 五段 or a rootless verb.

届ける is not rootless so it should be spelled 届ける.

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>>78332170
「届ない」では、そのどちらであるか区別できません。
>>78332838
送り仮名の付け方も規則があります。
http://www.mext.go.jp/b_menu/hakusho/nc/k19730618001/k19730618001.html
「届ける」については、『1 活用のある語 通則2 (派生・対応の関係を考慮して、活用語尾の前の部分から送る語に関するもの)』に該当します。

>>78332838
Cool story, bro, but what about"届ない"? Is it because the ke is part of the root? From what the avatarfag implies, it could be also be seen as the ka verb.

At any rate, I appreciate the in-depth lesson which helps further identifying patterns on ichidan verbs, it became studying.

how high should my proficiency be if i want to take a job translating video games

>>78333412
Some people take liberties with words in their writing, it is 仕方がない

>>78330708
Review heatmap. Looks cool as fuck.

>>78333445
JLPT2, plus a degree in memes and localization.

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>>78298344

>>78332181
I'm impressed, anon, do tell more about the extent of your Nipponese knowledge.
Any idea of your vocab size and kanji count?

>>78333694
Nothing to write home about, really. I think the last time I took this test https://www.arealme.com/japanese-vocabulary-size-test/ja/ it estimated my vocabulary at around 25000 words, but I don't know how accurate that result is, considering that about 25% of the questions involved some degree of guesswork (unlike the English and Portuguese counterparts in which I was familiar with almost every word used)
Not sure about kanji count, probably 2500 or so.

>>78334136
Post Kanji-Grid ください。

>>78334542
I uninstalled Anki 3 months ago, sorry.

>>78335479
Ebin XD

>>78335842
Eh?

日本人だけど日本語聞いてもいい?

今まで「卑下する」って言葉は自分に対して使うものだと思っていたんだけど、最近「〇〇国人は、日本人のことを卑下している」みたいな使い方を目にするようになった。

確かに辞書には自分のこと限定なんて書いてないけど、自分以外の人のことを卑下するってなんか感覚に合わないんだよね。

こんな使い方、昔からしてた?

>>78334136
how long have you been studying for?

What's the etymology behind the terms 一段 and 五段? I know what they mean but why are they called that?

>>78336959
2 years.

>>78337296
段 means step or stage.
級 means grade.
For the 級, the one with a smaller number is better( 一級 is the top), but for the 段, the more the number is better.

I'm memorizing 10 Japanese words on a daily basis, how long it will take to pass N2 at this pace?

>>78337529
are you also learning 3000 kanji and many counter words by the end of the year?

>>78338151
I don't really have a way to keep track of kanji now that I dropped Anki, and I think I already know most of the common counters. The super specific ones are kind of annoying, but I don't really care to learn what kanji is used to count pieces of sushi and stuff like that.

>>78336853
「卑下する」は、自分に対して使う言葉で、他人に対してなら、「見下す」・「 蔑む 」・「貶める」などを使うべきです。
噂によると、폄훼(貶毀)の訳語としと在チョンが使い始めたのが「他人を卑下する」という誤用の始まりで、2chを通じ拡散したそうです。

This anime is ebin

You guys should watch it

みどりのマキバオー OP「走れ!マキバオー」
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYwVHvAZUfM

>>78338800
ネットだと在日多いから誤用が広まりやすいんだな…

>>78338800
どうもありがとうございます。
そういう経緯だとは知りませんでした。

やっぱり日本語としては、卑下するって、ある種の謙遜で自分に対して使う言葉だと思うのが正しいですよね。
「蔑む」とかなら何か原因となる振る舞いがあって軽蔑するんだろうなあ、とか思えるけど、「卑しい」って個人ではどうしようもない境遇について蔑む言葉ですよね? 他人に対してそんな感覚で見下す言葉がチラチラしてるの見ると胸が悪くなります。

>>78340131
そのほどなら韓国では悪口で認められないのに..僕も悪口がない言語のネイティブだったら

>>78340131
自分を下に言い過ぎてる人に、そんなに自分を卑下するもんじゃない、て使う言葉

>>78337296
動詞の活用についてなら、五十音表を見ればわかります。
五段活用動詞とは子音で終わる動詞のことで、接続する活用語尾の最初の母音が五十音表の一行の五段にわたり活用するからです。
例えば動詞「書く」なら、
stemをkak
未然形: -a、-o
連用形: -i、-ai
終止形: -u
連体形: -u
仮定形: -e
命令形: -e
で未然形がaとo、連用形はi、連体形はo、終止形はo、仮定形はe、命令形はeとなり、a、i、u、e、oの5つ、つまり50音表の5段にわたり活用するのです。
日本人は開音節でこれを認識するため、語幹のカ行子音と活用語尾の母音を融合して、
語幹(か)
未然形:-か(ない)、-こ(う)
連用形:-き(ます)、い(た)
終止形:-く
連体形:-く(とき)
仮定形:-け(ば)
命令形:-け
と活用を認識します。

対して一段活用動詞とは母音語幹動詞のことで、中世以前では母音交代が起り上二段活用、下二段活用だったものが、現代語では統合されて、上一段活用ならi音、下一段活用ならe音のみで活用するため「一段活用」と呼ばれます。
例えばカ行上一段動詞「着る」なら、
未然形-き(ない)
連用形-き(ます)
終止形-きる
連体形-きる(とき)
仮定形-きれ(ば)
命令形-きろ・きよ
(日本人は一段活用は語幹がないと認識します)
言語学的には
stemをki
未然形: (i)
連用形: (i)
終止形: (i)-r-u
連体形: (i)-r-u
仮定形: (i)-r-e
命令形: (i)-r-e、(i)-r-o
で未然形がi、連用形もi、連体形はiru、終止形はiru、仮定形はire、命令形はiroとiyoなり、日本人は、全ての活用がつまり50音表のイ段でしか活用しないと認識するのです。
未然・連用などの用語は日本語のmoodを示しています。

>>78283352
If you really want to learn Japanese just get a Japanese university gf, someone who is smart enough to explain the grammar stuff to you. You'll become fluent in no time.

>>78341082
typo
*命令形: (i)-r-o、(i)-yo

どうでもいいけど、/a/って今/int/より人少ないんだな

やっぱり日本のアニメ産業はオワコンなのか・・・

>>78341718
ひろゆきが、/a/に動画のlinkを貼るのを禁止したのが主な原因です
そのため大っぴらにfansubが活動できなくなりました
後は察してください

>>78341965
違法視聴でもしないとファンを続けられない時点で、その程度のコンテンツってことだろ
むしろひろゆきは日本のアニメ産業を守ろうとしてたってだけ
しかも/co/が今/a/と同じくらい人を集めてるし、動画禁止が直接の理由とは思えない

誰か手伝ってくれませんか?

「へぼへぼのぴーでプーな日々をぷかぷか流れていたところ、(。。。)」

"へぼへぼのぴーでプーな日々" の意味とくに分かんない。誰か説明できますか?

それと ”ぷかぷか ”はどんな流れなの?

>>78338151
That's me. My list is way humbler >>78331997

Anyone know where this addon sourced its database: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/932119536

Particularly I'm wondering where it got a digital database and the referenced, but not included, audio files from. I've only been able to find the actual hardcopy book-form dictionary which doesn't seem to include any form of audio cd, etc.

>>78346659
nhk_pronunciation.csv

>>78346734
That's not what I asked at all, anon.

>Particularly I'm wondering where it got a digital database and the referenced, but not included, audio files from.

I know it includes its derivative version of the database, and in its git repo it has what appears to be the original version sans audio, I'm wondering where these were actually sourced from.

>>78346783
If you opened that file you would learn that the audio files aren't used by the addon at all and there's no point associating the two. You're much more likely to get an answer from someone who happens to know about the source material if you ask about the source material. "the actual hardcopy book-form dictionary" isn't the name of anything.

>>78346842
>>If you opened that file you would learn that the audio files aren't used by the addon at all and there's no point associating the two.
I'm not trying to associate the two. I'm trying to find where the addon author got a digital form of this with audio to begin with.

The source is NHK日本語発音アクセント新辞典.

>>78346876
https://www.google.com/search?q=NHK日本語発音アクセント辞典++CD+"zip"

>>78346882
Thanks anon.

>>78340131
経緯は嘘だと思いますけどね。
単に誤用が広まっただけのものだと思います。
特定の社会的存在のみを貶める偏見の主張。
そういった行為こそ、まさに謙虚さのかけらもなく自らの卑下とは対局に位置する行為と言えます。

卑下は自分に対して使う言葉。「卑屈」と同種です。

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>>78283352
Post your Anki vocab leeches.
I decided to dump all of mine into a single deck, and what a wretched thing it is.
逃走、嘱託、出奔、条例、逞しい、根拠、土星、俊敏、分遣、大荒れ、明星、葬る、煩忙、妬ましい、鼯鼠、天王星、夜店、疑似、音頭、後刻、角笛、頻繁、権利、急速、ぐにゃり、挫ける、蜊蛄、討伐、釘、萎む、愁訴、訂正、拓殖、奮発、沼地、阻止、伺う、峡谷、西欧、点検、幾何学、喜劇、逃亡、否決、観測、吸収、供給、契約、歌謡、絵画、考慮。

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>>78344784
オノマトペは、その場のノリと雰囲気で読むもので、
前後が分からなければ無理だし、雰囲気を伝えるもの。
なお、大阪では道案内をする時、
「ズーーーーッと行って、ドンとなったらキュッと曲がったらズン」で通じるのは事実。
なお、ブカブカは、海月のように水に浮かんで漂う様のこと。
なんか森下裕美あたりの漫画にでてくるラッコのような印象だな。
>>78347735
特定の民族のみを虚構で貶めることに血道をあけるVANKのような差別主義者集団は、兎に角、必死だね。他にすることはないのかと思うね。多分、腐った奴隷根性の捻曲がったコンブレックスの所産なんだろうが、迷惑なこった。
で、ここは日本語学習者のためのスレで、よもやま話ならJapan General 日本語スレでしてくれよな。

>>78337296
There are six conjugations in Japanese: 未然形 not-yet-complete form, 連用形 predicate-modifying form, 終止形 sentence ending form, 連体形 noun-modifying form, 仮定形 hypothetical form, 命令形 command form. They are always listed in this order.

一段 verbs always end in the same single vowel grade (-i for 上一段 and -e for 下一段, named after whether it's above or below the -u grade when written vertically). For instance, the six conjugations of 食べる (下一段):
>食べ
>食べ
>食べる
>食べる
>食べれ
>食べろ/食べよ
Notice that the べ never changes to ば or ぶ or whatever. That makes it 一段.

For 五段 verbs on the other hand, the ending uses all five vowel grades. Like やる:
>やら/やろ
>やり
>やる
>やる
>やれ
>やれ
ら, り, る, れ and ろ are all represented, making it 五段.

The 未然形 attaches to negative, suppositional/volitional, passive and causative auxiliary verbs and cannot stand by itself:
食べない、やらない
食べよう、やろう
食べられる、やられる
食べさせる、やらせる

The 連用形 attaches to the particle て as well as many others, perfective auxiliary verbs, the desiderative auxiliary たい and the polite auxiliary ます. It can also stand by itself as a noun or as a conjunctive sentence ending.
食べて、やって(やりて)
食べた、やった(やりた)
食べたい、やりたい
食べます、やります

The 終止形 is the form used to end sentences and it can also attach to many particles.

The 連体形 attaches directly to nouns to modify them, as in 食べる人, やる人, and also attaches to many particles as well as auxiliaries like ようだ or べきだ:
食べるようだ、やるようだ
食べるべきだ、やるべきだ

The 仮定形 attaches to the particle ば and cannot stand by itself:
食べれば、やれば

The 命令形 is used for giving commands and stands by itself.

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>>78344784
ほれ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU47mEYaOM8
こういう話は日本語スレでしな
ただしブラジル旗にまともなのは少ないが

>>78347735
実際4chanにいると、在日の日本下げ工作がどれだけ行われてるか分かるから、そう疑いたくなるのも無理はないんだけどね
日本語スレなんか酷いよ
在日朝鮮人が日本国旗で自慢気に祖国のパスポートうpしてたこともあったし

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>>78349222
cool, did you copy/paste this from anywhere?

>>78349222
In classical Japanese there were also 四段 and 二段 (下 and 上). 五段 verbs were originally 四段 because the -o vowel grade was not used yet (and やろう could just be written やらう).

二段 verbs, as you might predict, used two vowel grades. 食ぶ used the -u and -e vowel grades, which are in the lower half of the table, making it 下二段:
>食べ
>食べ
>食ぶ
>食ぶる
>食ぶれ
>食べよ

落つ was 上二段:
>落ち
>落ち
>落つ
>落つる
>落つれ
>落ちよ

Over time, the 終止形 was absorbed into the 連体形 due to gratuitous use of the 連体形 at the end of sentences. Then, the -u endings of 二段 verbs morphed into -i or -e to match the 連用形 and 未然形. This was how 二段 verbs became 一段 in modern Japanese.

Today there is only one 二段 verb left: 得る. I feel like many people get this word wrong and think 得る is える but it's not.
>え
>え
>うる (originally just う)
>うる
>うれ
>えよ
This means あり得ない and あり得た are ありえない and ありえた but あり得る should be ありうる. ありえる is improper.

>>78349439
No, it's a hyper-autist original

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>>78350173
good stuff

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wtf is chiu?

>>78350371
というわけで

>>78350419
thanks senpai

>>78348387
63 cards (deck dize is 10.135). Less than 1%, 運良く.

二十日、事情、都合、制度、設ける、正直、従来、検討、削る、背景、隠れる、伴う、生じる、出産、取材、外相、補う、継続、削除、慎重、侵す、岸、解散、根拠、解放、殊に、傾く、拝む、抑える、信仰、栽培、偏る、惜しむ、歓迎、収穫、丘、敬う、考慮、溺れる、郵送、敗れる、適応、潜る、嘆く、解剖、施す、拘束、均衡、請求、続出、推敲、委ねる、託す、募る、労る、慎む、きっぱり、患う、償う怠る

>嘱託、根拠、俊敏、頻繁、討伐、萎む、伺う、否決、観測、考慮
I feel you, bro.

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How am I expected to know the difference between 四【よん】and 四【し】plus all the other duplicates in Core 2k/6k? I get that kanji can have multiple readings and definitions, but why not lump them into one card?

I've read the guide. Pls no bully.

>>78352190
Even core has some weaknesses.

>>78352795
Core has a lot of weaknesses, there's nothing "even core" about it.

>>78352190
You can lump them together manually (lots of people do that) or just guess multiple readings at once (it's what I do).

>>78352795
>>78352911
Is there a better vocab deck to use or should I just stick with this one? I'm making my way through Tae Kim's Grammar Guide and want to learn the vocab he uses but I'm terrible at using Anki to make my own flashcards.

>>78353176
anon core 5k has a slightly better selection of words but you're not missing out on much

あまり強い言葉を遣うなよ。弱く見えるぞ

Is the voice tone here polite or condescending?

>>78353056
ありがとございます。I'll probably just guess multiple.

>>78353243
The particles な and ぞ plus the informal register make it definitely not polite.

>>78352911
That was the joke 先輩.

>>78353176
Just use core it's fine. It's got all the words TK uses. You don't have to make your own cards.
I recommend editing the cards that have fuzzy/shitty definitions, maybe merging the cards that should be duplicates (I didn't remember し and よん were two separate cards, but that's really stupid I think). Core can be pretty annoying but it's still a good resource.

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人口 vs 国民?

What is the contextual difference here?

>>78357024
Number of people
"The people"

>>78357024
I'd say it's according to the kanji
国民 is the population of a country with an emphasis on nationality
人口 seems more neutral like population as in number of "mouths" (to feed)

>>78357024
I'm pretty sure 人口 doesn't have to be related to a country. It's just any generic population.

>>78357024
people
nationals

>>78349863
>I feel like many people get this word wrong and think 得る is える but it's not.

Isn't it both うる and える (so it's also える)?
Most frequently you probably see it in expressions like あり得る, which allow both readings.

>>78357729
Ah, forget this, I hadn't read on past the sentence I quoted.

勝者とは常に世界がどういうものかでは無く、どう在るべきかについて語らなければならない
What did he mean by this? Only bit I could really understand was something about winners

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convince me to learn japanese so I can snap out of analysis paralysis.

>>78358392
Taking small liberties:
"To be a winner means not to talk about what the world is like, but to talk about how the world ought be."

>>78358477
You'll learn such wonderful idioms as 酔生夢死

>>78358477
do it faggot

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When he says "てゆーか余裕だし", is he talking about his physical strength?
Like "I've got even more strength to spare" or "I could carry even more than this"?

>>78359808
I guess so, I think the connotation might be a bit more like ~I'm so strong that I don't mind anyway hehehe

btw in the left frame his arm looks sort of short and crippled

>>78361004
>>btw in the left frame his arm looks sort of short and crippled
Ruined the cute moment, dude.

What's that between みて and 肉体?

>>78361127
well, I guess his other hand isn't strong enough

How do you get furigana to work in Anki? The guide says nothing about this in the Anki setup section even though it should be since it only displays the kana in brackets for me by default.

>>78361127
この

>>78361923
You have to change {{Field}} to {{furigana:Field}} (or {{reading:Field}} I forget which) in the card template.

>>78361923
If it's not working by default you downloaded the wrong deck instead of the one linked in the guide. Why.

>>78362240
No I downloaded the Core2/6k from the guide

>>78362209
I'll try both thanks

>>78362317
>No I downloaded the Core2/6k from the guide

Did you download it from the mega.nz link in the guide? There are other decks with the same name.

>>78362209
{{furigana:Field}} was the correct one, but whoever maintains the guide should certainly add a short quip about this in the Anki setup guide, it really wouldn't hurt and it's an easy thing to explain for such a useful thing. I had googled it before asking and I got forums saying that you need an add-on, which is obviously not the case.

>>78362543
The core deck in the guide shouldn't require any kind of editing to make the furigana work unless you edited the card template to begin with, and that's probably outside the scope of the guide.

>I had googled it before asking and I got forums saying that you need an add-on, which is obviously not the case.
I'm pretty sure you used to need to install the Japanese support addon in an older version, that's probably why that is the answer you got googling it.

>>78361004
Alright, thank you.

>btw in the left frame his arm looks sort of short and crippled
great, can't unsee it now...

>>78362621
Yeah makes sense for the version thing. And I had reformatted the cards to my liking a while back but I don't remember deleting a line that said furigana, but I may be wrong.

>>78358477
5 years down the road when you decide to actually learn japanese, you'll look back on all the time you wasted that could have been used for learning the language.

>>78363798
This hits way too close to home for me.

もう死んでしまいたい

>>78333583
Reminds me of github. thanks

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Why do you even try to learn Japanese when it's clear we treat you weeaboos as clowns?

>>78366763
Who said I'm a weeaboo?

>>78366763
>we

ok English Teacher.

>>78362086
yes

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>>78366400

>>78366901
将来のない人もいるんだ

>>78366981
学費で借金か

>>78367066
ただの駄目人間だ
ノー•フューチャー

>>78367218
借金ないなら何でもできる
アメリカの学費はきついときいた
院の同級生がColumbia出た人で

>>78367290
この人と接することさえ出来ざる僕は
ノーフューチャー
バイト除いて就職も出来ず
リア友一人も出来ず
この日本語しか何も出来ぬ
永遠の出来ないは

>>78367489
日本語極めて翻訳の仕事でもすれば良いじゃん

>>78292785
Yeesh, did it even cross your mind during that day?

>>78367832
素人漫画翻訳者として無料で努めてますが
なんていうか
虚しい

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>>78366763
>I'm here to learn the spirit of being naked

>>78367947
そうか
俺も海外ニュースの素人翻訳者をやってるよ
仕事でもごくたまに使う機会があるけど

本格的に仕事にすると良いんじゃない?

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>>78359808
意訳すれば、そういう感じな。
適当訳、
I have some reserve of strength as can carry them yet
>>78366400
南無阿弥陀仏

>>78368222
だがそれは具体的にどうやって出来るのか
どうやって出版社に気づかれるでしょうか
お金貰えず、結局手に入れない自己満足だけのために
文句も言わずに努力し続けて
この無歓喜の生涯を送って
不満のままで死ぬしか
ないのです

>>78368222
>海外ニュースの素人翻訳者をやってるよ
まとめサイトの記者募集みたいなとこでよく募集かけてるよなw
まあ俺はそんな惨めな仕事頼まれてもしたくないけど

>>78368074
裸
禅
面白い読み違いですけどね

>>78368576
翻訳原稿を出版社に送ってみるとか

>>78368824
ほっといてよ
死なせてくれよ

>>78368263
南無明法蓮華経

>>78337565
6000÷10=600

>>78368910
生きろ!

>>78368910
R.I.P.

僕は今
海外の不思議な国の奇妙な文字を
ある順番に綴って
どこかの他人の頭の中まで意味をこなして伝えている

この行為だけで満足出来たところもありました

月まで連れてってよ
星々の群れで
遊ばせてよ
木星や火星の
春の景色を
見せてほしいよ
言わば、
この手を握って
キスしてよ
我が愛す人よ
言わば、
裏切らないでよ
言わば、
愛してるよ

今は落ち込んでるし飲みつつ法則違反の葉っぱを吸ってるし、電波投稿に気をしないで下さい
下げ

>>78369666
寄越せ
来月アメリカ行くけど待てん

>>78314268
Good post

お休み、djt

いや、djtの今宵はこれからなり
タバコと珈琲ぞ出しつる

>>78367489
hiphopだな。

yo yo
この人と接することさえ出来ざる僕は
ノーフューチャー yo

チョンチョンディングドンウイングウォンチンチャイン

おほほ、いと可笑し

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リンガ ディングドング
リンガ ディングドング

貴君の好きな言葉は?
僕ならば
綺麗な意味を持ってる母音の繰り返る漢語 (黎明や紅葉とか)と、
タリ活用の形容動詞 (璆鏘たりや燦然たりとか)と、
やかで送る大和言葉の形容動詞 (淑やかやきらびやかとか)

4-5文字の動詞などかな
とどろく・あおぎみる・ちりばめる etc

天下に名が轟く
大空を仰ぎ見る
宝石をちりばめる

壮大なイメージを持つ言葉が良い

>>78331496

Full list in order, if anyone else wants to do this without retyping out all the words: https://pastebin.com/7Hy5xvj7

Ones I got (44/85):

>傍迷惑 (reading shown at the start), 靴箆, 屑籠, 吝か, 加加阿, 変梃な, 訛った, 佇む, 報い, 筏, 大腿骨, 啄む, 恥曝し, 膠着, 与した, 天象儀, 蝕む, 剥出し, 弄ぶ, 激昂, 俯く, 鍬, 仰々しい, 海獺, 心許無い, 傀儡, 慇懃無礼, 厭う, 寥寥 (just guessed on this one), 碌に, 凝視た, 蘞い (just learned this one a few days ago), 曰く付き, 恟恟 (guessed), 食吝坊, 黒犀, 言い捲った, 趨勢, 飯櫃, 土嚢, 穿つ, 拙い, 潔い, 卑しい

Ones I missed (41/85):

>*爛熟 (misread 熟 as "netsu" for some reason), *護謨紐, *揉苦茶, *不倒翁 (what the hell), *蝦蛄, *蒲公英, *喞筒, *而も, *無精髭, *公魚, *命辛辛, *音呼, *東風, *打擲, *倹しい, *釉, *蠢蠢 (should have gotten this one as I know 蠢く but I had a brain fart), *胡麻斑海豹, *殿, *里約熱內盧, *楡, *霊廟, *蟒蛇, *三和土, *帰依 (I wrongly guessed "kii", if you type "kii" into google IME it gives <もしかして:きえ> for the uninformed. should have guessed it was a buddhist reading), *雉鳩 (knew this one but brain farted), *唐黍 (knew 玉蜀黍 though), *堆い, *十六夜, *菟葵, *田鼈, *眼旗魚, *金襴緞子, *飛礫, *跆拳道, *稚い, *苟も (I guessed いかにも like she did but no dice), *密密話, *信楽焼, *金木犀, *雖も

Compared to >>78332181:

Ones that he got that I didn't:

>爛熟, 命辛辛, 東風, 霊廟, 雉鳩, 田鼈, 飛礫, 密密話

Ones I got that he didn't:

>靴箆, 吝か, 加加阿, 変梃な, 大腿骨, 啄む, 天象儀, 鍬, 海獺, 傀儡 (although he knew the かいらい reading), 寥寥 (although this was a shot in the dark on my part), 凝視た, 蘞い, 恟恟, 食吝坊, 趨勢, 飯櫃, 土嚢

Overall I think >>78332181 did well and got a few I had no clue on such as 霊廟 and 田鼈. Though I am a bit surprised he didn't get 大腿骨 or especially 趨勢 since the latter comes up fairly often at least in the stuff I have been reading.

Wow知るかよ

>>78371767
Good job. How long have you been studying for?
>田鼈
This was one of the "shot in the dark ones", based on the bottom half of 鼈.
>趨勢
Yeah, my mind just kinda went blank on this one. I thought of 超越 for some reason...

>>78371892

Thanks. 2 years this November. But due to my odd study habits my knowledge is skewed towards obscure kanji which allows me to do well on kanji trivia but leaves me hanging during most actual content consumption. My reading speed and listening comprehension still need to get up to par.

>I thought of 超越 for some reason...

I feel you... I still mistake 遠い for 速い every week.

>>78372092
>速い
This one has less strokes, makes it faster.

>>78372126

Now that's a mnemonic I can get behind

>>78366763
私は禅の心を学ぶためにきました

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>>78372092
I can relate, I took the N1 sample test from the JLPT site last week and aced the written parts but only got 3/5 on the listening part. Should have heeded that Finnish anon's advice.

>>78372126
I use the 音読み and phonetic radical to remember. 遠い is 永遠, the えん in 公園. 速い is 速度, the そく in 約束. They look like the sound.

I just finished all n5 listening exercises on japanesetest4you and now I am practicing with 毎日の聞き取り50日上. I understand most spoken words (for N5) now provided they are not spoken too quickly. What I have trouble with are numbers. Cashier situation are especially difficult for me and I usually need to listen to the audio multiple times before I can comprehend a number larger than 10 000. Are there any audio resources with reasonable audio quality? Oh and btw I am already listening to JapanesePod101 audio course (great audio quality) on the side.

>>78367845
It did. But for whatever retarded reasons, I thought I already finish my anki for that day.

>>78373896
so what, all things end eventually and 615 is very good

How many hours before fluency?
Any one here who learns it but is not interested in weeb culture like anime, jav, manga and other degenerate shit?

寂しいですね。死んいたい.

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>>78374650
元気を出してバーガーくん
俺たちもここにいるから、永久に

>>78374489
I needed about two years to become decent at talking to Japanese people in real life. But I didn't use any of the materials from /int/.

Also, I don't like anime or j-pop.

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男割りします
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1hsSZa0jHA

>>78374820
Ja genau, das ist dein Leben. Das ist wie du lebst.

>>78374856
Two years? How many hours a day did you learn then?
What was your method?

みんな死ぬんだよぉ!俺たちはどうせここで死ぬんだよぉ!!!

>>78374820
はい、もちんろんるら

>>78374650
fight!

Japanese ファイト is "cheer up".

>>78374856
kill yourself normalfag

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>>78375006
はい、この曲を聞いてもっと鬱になって
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3JSys-Vla0

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>>78357024
人口はpopulationで国民はpeople
それだけ
>>78357729
「うる」が正しいのだが、「える」と読む人も多い。
少なくない可能動詞は「~得る」が語源とする説がある。
例えば「書く」の可能動詞「書きえる」=「書き得る」
「行く」の可能動詞「行きえる」=「行き得る」
文語では「うる」だが口語では「える」という感じ
ただしサ変動詞「する」の可能動詞は「しうる」となる。
(サ変は、「せられる」が主に尊敬、「される」が尊敬と受身が主で、可能は「することができる」か「しうる」を使う場合が多い)
>>78358392
the winner must talk constantly about not what the world is but how the world should be.
>>78358790
かっこいい訳やな

お元気ですか

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>>78375343

>>78375568
なにおこれわ

>>78374888
なぜドイツ語を学んでるの

>>78375343
元気ですよ

I guess that picture is fake.

>>78375343
>>78375617
>>78375678
バカウヨが荒らしに来ているようだ
今、Spamが消えたところなので日本語スレにおいで

>tfw burning out on the core2k/6k deck and I'm only 28% done with it
I can't stay focused anymore. I hate it. My retention is dropping so hard that I'm stopping new cards for a week or two.

>>78374934
In the beginning, I started by studying every free secon basically. The first 9 or so months I pretty much studied daily. I used a rare text book mainly focused on everyday conversations plus a few more books on grammar and self-made vocabulary lists. I also befriended native speakers early on so that we'd be able to help each other out.

>>78376550
how the fuck did you befriend japanese people
they just stop talking to me because I can't talk to them about anything interesting at all

>>78376593
>I can't talk to them about anything interesting at all

Look for alternative folks with real interests or people at least well into their twenties. Young Japanese people either tend to be boring as fuck or they are too timid to share their real opinions on stuff.

>>78377231
>no weeb interests
So did you talk about tennis, mahjong, hiking? I'd rather kill myself.

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ハイキングや山登り面白いね
けど最近はやりすぎてなんかburn outしてるかも
飽きちゃったかも

>>78379765
Hiking and other outdoor activities, traveling, history, current social phenomena, hobbies of all sorts, movies, restaurants and food, (ex-)relationships, traveling etc. The possibilites are endless.

>>78375020
>Japanese ファイト is "cheer up".
>"cheer up".

Wouldn't that be 元気出せ?
Isn't ファイト more like 苦しくても頑張れ?

I'm having 大変s with temporal words. How do I stop mixing them up?
以来 以前 以降 依然 未然 etc.

>>78375126
>「書く」の可能動詞
>「行く」の可能動詞

Wouldn't those usually be 書ける and 行ける?
I mean, I would interpret 書き得る and 生き得る the same way, if I encountered them in a text, but actively I'd always use 書ける and 行ける.

>>78382016
*行き得る

>>78380584
you sound like a turbo normie, did you get lost on your way to facebook or what are you doing here? I bet you also have a job and a gf
REEEEEEEE

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>>78381913
ファイトッ → 頑張れ!

>>78380447
楽しそうですね

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1. What meaning does でも have here? "Even" doesn't seem to make sense to me, and I've researching but can't come up with another grammar usage.

2. Does それで mean "with those (those = small bubble trumpets/blowers)"?

>>78382360
西海岸はハイキング天国だ
山は登り放題
絶景は眺め放題

>>78383040

Ah, just realized ~でも can mean "or something," that's probably what it is.

>>78382236
There is absolutely no implication of the situation not exactly being ideal in ファイト?

>>78382016
The 説 is that 行ける and 書ける derive from 行き得る and 書き得る. But 得る is 二段 and える is improper so it should be ignored by people who want to speak 正しき日本語.

>>78383040
>1.
http://www.coelang.tufs.ac.jp/mt/ja/gmod/contents/explanation/095.html
Ⅶ-1(7)
ピザでも食ってろ・・・Eat your pizza
夢でも見ていろ・・・Dream on
>2.
I agree.

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>>78383073
> 西海岸

>>78383371
It is positive basically.

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I'm learning Japanese and I don't know how to look up kanji such as this one. How do I read strokes?

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>>78384753
その西海岸じゃなくて
もっとこう

>>78384920
そうかスペリオル湖だな

>>78384816
Always learn the correct stroke order from the get go.

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>>78384816
I'd recommend doing at least a basic study of kanji to get an idea of how stroke orders tend to work, even if you don't plan on doing a full kanji study.

>>78384816
>http://jisho.org/#radical
you should learn the radicals, then you can better look kanji up
but before you do anything really, read the guide

you should get somewhat familiar with stroke order when you're learning the kanji for the first time, but there's really no need to get autistic about it

オンタリオ湖だったか

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>>78385002
いやいや、西だけど褐色人や左翼ゲリラーの住まない、都会じゃない方