/lang/ - Language Learning

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>>78239122
>Language learning resources:
http://4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

http://www.duolingo.com/
>Duolingo is a free language-learning platform that includes a language-learning website and app, as well as a digital language proficiency assessment exam. Duolingo offers all its language courses free of charge.

>>>/t/746368
>Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30+ languages.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk#
>Google Drive folder with books for all kinds of languages.

https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/oldfsi/index.html
>Drill based courses with text and audio.The Foreign Service Institute (FSI) is the United States federal government's primary training institution for employees of the U.S. foreign affairs community.These courses are all in public domain and free to download.Site may go down sometimes but you can search for fsi on google and easily find a mirror.

https://www.memrise.com/
>Free resource to learn vocabulary, nice flash cards.

https://lingvist.com/
>It's kinda like Clozemaster in the sense that you get a sentence and have to fill in the missing word, also has nice statistics about your progress, grammar tips and more information about a word (noun gender, verb aspects for Russian, etc.)

ankisrs.net/
>A flash card program

https://www.clozemaster.com/languages
>Clozemaster is language learning gamification through mass exposure to vocabulary in context.Can be a great supplementary tool, not recommended for absolute beginners.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/
>Tatoeba is a collection of sentences and translations with over 300 hundred languages to chose from.

radio.garden/
>Listen to radio all around the world through an interactive globe

https://forvo.com
>Has pronunciation for lots of words in lots of languages

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>>78239144
http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty
>Check out information about languages and their difficulties

http://lexicity.com/
>An invaluable resource for comparative language study as well as those interested in ancient languages

http://cosmogyros.tumblr.com/post/108962232110/huge-new-language-learning-collection
>A very extensive language learning collection for 90+ languages.

http://www.dliflc.edu/resources/products/
>Similar to FSI, drill-based courses with text and audio issued by the US government.These courses were made for millitary personel in mind unlike FSI.

http://en.childrenslibrary.org
>Lots of childrens books in various languages, categories 3-5yo, 6-9yo, 10-13yo.

https://www.hellotalk.com/#en
>The app is basically whatsapp, but only connects you with people who are native in the language you are trying to learn. It also has a facebook type section where you can share pics and stuff too.

https://www.italki.com/
https://www.mylanguageexchange.com/
https://www.interpals.net/
http://www.gospeaky.net/
https://www.speaky.com/
https://polyglotclub.com/
http://lang-8.com/
>Few more language exchange communities like Hellotalk:

http://www.goethe-verlag.com/
>A mostly free site which offers audio and drill like exercises for 40+ languages.

http://www.languagetransfer.org/
>A free resource with recordings to learn a language.

https://babadum.com
>Flash card game with a focus on vocabulary.

http://context.reverso.net/translation/
>A website like Tatoeba (also has a Firefox extension!)


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>>78235748
Some Latin language Youtubers are pretty damn decent. Look up ThePrinceSterling and LATINITIUM. ThePrinceSterling's recording of Caesar's De Bello Gallico is mesmerizing in particular.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Forgq8ooePs

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>>78239568
last one

>>78239568
Michele Thomas method sucks ass

>>78239827
feel free to improve on it, or make a new one altogether

The more people pitch in for these charts, the better they'll be

>>78239674
>EXCEPT THE FACT THAT HE DIDN'T USE "Ё"!!!
It's not an orthographic error, dumbino.
>>78239640
>Would Russian have been half as popular as a foreign language as it is if it wasn't for the exotic looking Cyryllic script?
Use of Cyrillic script is a deliberate choice dictated by various cultural, political and historical reasons. Polish, Czech and other West Slavic languages use the Latin script because they fell under the Roman Catholic influence, while Russians viewed themselves as spiritual successors and followers of the Byzantine empire; the religion was viewed as an essential part of the national identiy as well as the self-perception as a great Orthodox power.

The only possible variant where we would adopt the Latin script, is if Russia never came to be a consolidated power and instead became a marginalized country seeking support of Westerm Catholic powers in a hostile environment. Then the whole history of Russia would lead us to a much less significant role in history, and in this case you'd be interested in our language no more than in Ukrainian.

>>78240008
Yes, but people that don't use "ё" still piss me off.

>>78240008
>>78240305
>It's not an orthographic error, dumbino.
The use of ё is optional in Russian?

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can I learn japanese?

>>78240399
I think Russians on the internet are just to lazy to write ё instead of e, but there's no way it's not a mistake, since the sounds are different.

(Waiting for an actual russophone to chime in)

>>78240305
When I experience a feat of linguistic purism, me too. But most of the time it's much faster just to write plain e. Plus, in some words or forms you cannot be sure if there's a ё at all - less chances to make a mistake.

As for me, I hate most of all two things: people saying квápтaл instead of квapтáл and people saying coглacнo чeгo-тo instead of coглacнo чeмy-тo. I'm working with banking documents and you cannot even imagine how many docs (agreements, contracts, invoices etc) has this retarded mistake which, I believed, could be committed only by churkas.

Farsi would be so much easier if they had never gotten Muhammad'd

>>78239827
Maybe BUT after a year I still remember those few first Spanish lessons I went through.
>>78239471
I'd rather not rely on an online sources. I need something... easily downloadable but i'll give it a look.

>>78240426
"no"

>>78240488
>>78240399
It is NOT a mistake. Moreover, E and Ё are officially recognized to be equivalent in ID documents, so people whose last names contains Ё wouldn't have problems if in any documents the dots were omitted (which used to be a very common problem).

>>78240496
>Plus, in some words or forms you cannot be sure if there's a ё at all
Care to provide examples? I'm not learning Russian but I'm curious.

>>78240399
No one will bat an eye if you omit two dots, but some people (autists like me) will respect you a little more

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>>78239322
Я блaгoдapю тeбя cнoвa

saving all your explanations in my russian folder

>>78240690
...if you don't

>>78240686
It's mostly loanwords from French.
гpeнaдёp grenadior instead of correct гpeнaдep grenader "grenadier"
aфёpa afiora instead of correct aфepa afera "illegal/illicit/dishonest affair"

If a game/movie/TV show is going to be localized in another language and a character has a particular accent, how do the producers try to account for that? Like if a character has a thick Southern drawl but the show is going to be localized in French, do they portray the character as the French equivalent of Southern or what?

>>78241183
If they bother with "translating the accent", it's generally about what it's supposed to be. For example, if the southern accent is to emphasise it being some kind of hick hillbilly, they're gonna go for the french equivalent of that. If it's more wealthy plantation owner, they might go for... I dunno. Rich French accent?

>>78241183
Yeah, for example in the video game Portal 2, when that little helper robot (I forget its name, I think it's Wheeler or something like that) speaks in a fake southern accent to avoid being detected, in the French version they had him speak in a fake Québécois accent.

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Made my own Russian Latin alphabet for the sake of it.

1) O -- corresponds to Bulgarian "ъ" (shva) (that sound exists in Russian too but it's written just like an "o", and is pronounced as such when the syllable containing o isn't stressed, otherwise it's pronounced just like a normal O).
2) All the vowels with two dots correspond to я, e, ё, ю respectively.
3) J represents both Й and Ь respectively.

The rest are pretty easy to guess, I think..

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Will French give me better qts than Spanish? Many qts are learning these languages and I can't make up my mind!!!

>>78241369
So ë represents e and ö represents ë?

>>78241340
>Rich French accent

makes me think of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wS0lGShp3I

or

http://www.litteratureaudio.org/mp3/Alliterations_poetiques.mp3

>>78241369
Interesting

I was also playing around with the idea of making my own Mari Latin alphabet for the sake of it (the fact that there's no standard and thus different systems used in different places was triggering my autism). Though I'm still not entirely satisfied with what I came up with.

>>78241445
Yeah

>>78241493
Are you completely opposed to using digraphs?

>>78241369
Well, many Russian O's are former Ъ's, aren't they?

Pyccкий язык <- historically Pyc(ь)cкoй языкъ (the traditional "oй" pronunciation of the South Slavic influenced "ый" and "ий" after К is all but dead in the 21st century) <- pycьcкъjь языкъ.

>>78240707
Я пoльщён, aхaх.

>>78241369
Here's a trascription of what I did:
Яя Aa Бб Цц Чч Дд Ээ Ee Фф
Гг Хх Ии Йй Кк Лл Mм Hн Oo
ШBAшвa Ёё Пп КУкy Pp Cc Шш Щщ Tт
Уy Юю Bв У'y' ИКCикc Ыы Зз Жж

OBVIOUSLY, the letters 'Qq'-'Ww'-'Xx' aren't that important, but some languages leave them in their alphabet although they're not used.

Finnish or Polish? Which one is wider spoken and more useful?

>>78241613
It's not like I'M opposed, you just don't understand how digraphs would affect Russian spelling ((spoiler) it'd be a disaster (/spoiler))

>>78241741
Learn Finnish for the Turan meme. With Polish don't bother unless you desire Polish women with no self-respect at all.

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Updated Arabic guide and added more resources

>>78241410
Spanish, by far.

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Dictionary included with Lingua_Latina_per_se_Illustrata is spanish. Google is shit so far. First word I look up and its wrong. Can i rely on http://www.perseus.tufts.edu or do you guys know some better dictionaries?

>>78240496
Languages tend to start merging together cases and eventually dropping them. It's a slow process though, and with high literate speakers I'd said that it almost freezes.

>>78241410
I think that isn't enough motivation to learn a language

.>>78242038
So is quoque just supposed to mean also or too?

>>78242183
>I think that isn't enough motivation to learn a language

Going to start French since I'm planning to work there in the future. Spanish just seemed like a good option since so many people speak it...

>>78242183
Cases are extremely stable in the Russian language. That expression just prefers a different one.

>>78242038
English wiktionary is bretty gud.

>>78242301
>Spanish just seemed like a good option since so many people speak it...
Yeah, but in France it would be pretty useless. Are you moving to another country based on the language you pick?

>>78242321
Do you know if Russian lost any cases recently? (in the last 200 years aproximately).
I tried searching about it and I just got Trump-related news.

>>78242321
Here he goes again. ;)
>>78242183
Mein fellow German Kamarade is right. Cases in Russian aren't dying off, if anything there are more than 6 cases in Russian (partitive and vocative are marginal but nevertheless they are very often used).

Coглacнo + genitive instead of coглacнo + dative doesn't indicate any "merging" since these cases have very well established functions and broad use. It's a particular instance of illiterate language usage.

>>78242536
>I tried searching about it and I just got Trump-related news.
I have no clue how you managed to get this result but just to be sure I'd advise you to abstain from using google translate.

>>78241847
What do you think about learning Russian? Is it valuable?

>>78242536
>Are you moving to another country based on the language you pick?

Yes it's like throwing a map with a dart. Keeps life interesting.

>>78242183
Both seem to have the same meaning imo. I see no use for "quoque" as "and" when there already is "et"
>>78242453
It probably is. I am most likely going in a wrong direction here, hence my trouble with dictionaries. I should have read about grammar before looking up basic words like "estne"

>>78242648
you should learn german/dutch or french desu

>>78242648
I have a female coworker who got interested in Arabic, which I'm learning, asked some questions about the language, the Qur'an and Islam. She's secular, she revealed that she's got Tatar ancestry and would like to learn some Turkic language. I like some Ottoman music but I don't think this would be an especially good incentive for her to learn Turkish. What would you say?

As for you own question, listen to his negro: >>78242749

>>78242818
otto musics would be fine i guess, most of the turkish is very close to modern anatolian turkish but maybe she wouldnt like it because its all about war, glory etc.

>>78242536
Vocative, but I don't know when we lost it. Although there are some words in vocative still in use today, some archaic, some pretty common (i.e. Бoжe)

>>78242686
Nice. Have you done it before or is it your first time?
I wish I could do the same.

I just started to learn Latin.

>>78243370
No it's just a big dream of mine to truly be free in this world in the sense that I would know another language and one day move abroad.

Learn Finnish and cum to Finland~

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How many cards per day does /lang/ do in Anki/Quizlet/paper/whatever?

What does "тaк" mean exactly?
I thought it meant "so", but in the sentence: "чтo нe тaк?" it appare tly means "what is wrong?" instead of "what is not so?"

>>78243502
I want to do exactly the same. And I'm actually interested in the Finnish language, but it's quite useless and I have no idea how Finland is (apart from the fact that I don't know if I will ever be able to get out of here).

>>78243441
You could arrange something with this guy and share some knowledge >>78242038

>>78243562
I do like 40 in English and 30 in Portuguese
(I use anki).

>>78243562
~200

>>78243562
50 to 100, not necessarily at once

>>78243997
>>78244059
You make your own decks or use some from ankiweb? Just started using anki.

>>78243833
"Taк" implies "right", and "нe тaк" implies "wrong". It is as this word references the cosmic order of things, just a little; asks you to see whether something is "тaк, кaк ecть".

>>78244124
Basically "тaк" means both "so" and "as", "like". Чтo нe тaк? -- "What's not being like it?" "What's going wrong, not ~as~ [it should]?"

>>78242038
You could take a look in this book, apparently it is really good. There is also some guy who has recorded stuff for it on some blog.

archive.org/details/apracticalgramm00adlegoog

www patreon com/latinum

latinandgreekselftaught blogspot se/2011/05/teaching-yourself-latin-and-greek.html

>>78244059
>>78243997
So the 20 cards a day default isn't a good idea? It did seem a bit low to me.

>>78244101
I'm using Quizlet. I add a lot of premade decks for like Duolingo or Pimsleur when I finish lessons, although I check them first. The reason I'm doing like 200 per day now is because I'm adding decks faster than I can get through them otherwise, and a lot of the terms I know.

I also manually enter in phrases that I want to learn.

>>78244468
That's a bit low imo, but it depends what you are focusing on.

>>78244281
Gonna triple post, but I think this one will be definitive. Semantically "тaк" means both "so" and "like so", "like it". From thence it is a logical jump to "right". I should know more about this language.

>>78244101
I make my own, to be honest it can be a bit tedious to do it, but I like having a deck with precisely the content I've reviewed thus far in Duolingo + my textbook.

>>78244468
I don't think it's inherently bad idea. It depends how much you want to study in a day and how fast you're going through the cards.

When writing in Arabic or any other related script is it acceptable to write your ح in initial form like pic related? I've written حا as an example.

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>>78244856
I hate phoneposting

>>78244764
It's a multitool really, and has a shitton of meanings. It can also mean "yeah, it's like that/yeah, you're correct" etc.

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>>78244829
>>78244764
>>78244281
>>78244124
>>78245252
Well, yeah, this.

Some examples:
>Tы знaeшь, чтo я дeлaю нe тaк?
>Do you know what I am doing wrong (lit. "not right")?

>Пoчeмy oн тaк взвoлнoвaн?
>Why is he so agitated?

>Taк знaчит, oн нe пpишeл?
>So (it means) he didn't come?

>У этoй мaшины хopoшиe пapaмeтpы...
>Taк
>...a знaчит, мы мoжeм....
>This car has good stats...
>Yep
>...and this means we can....

>>78244856
I remember you and hate you. Start copying the printed script. Anyway, this is how I'm writing حـ.
Sorry for using Paint, I can't make photos of handwriting atm.

>>78246198
I hate you too. There's like 10 different ways people write Arabic, and some fonts I've seen look like that.

>>78246435
But you specifically said you're not learning any language and just copying whatever google gives you. This specific kind of autism triggers me.

>>78246583 I never said that. I'm learning Farsi.

>>78247196
Oh shit. I'm very sorry. I've mistaken your for another anon. Please, accept my sincerest apologies.

>>78247253
Thanks. I'm that same Anon tho, I think you just misunderstood me. I was saying that I was practicing the script before learning the language, so I was practicing by copying stuff down.

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I'm looking to learn Kanji by taking about 15 new ones a day and writing them down in a notebook for that muscle memory, but have no idea where to start with which one. Should I just grab an anki deck like 2k/6k and take the 15 kanji of the day from that or is there something like a list of 1-2000 to write

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>>78247321
>before
It doesn't make much sense though to me. Any Persian book will teach you as to write the Persian script. Probably it'll be just naskh, but in handwriting Persians use tahriri (simplified nasta'liq) which you definitely need a good book for. I know a bit of nasta'liq and have a really good book on Persian that includes audio, texts in Persian and in the latin transcription, and that also teaches naskh/tahriri. The problem is the book itself is in Russian.

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>>78247636
>much sense to me, though
>how to write
Sorry.

>>78247636
Shit have I been learning the wrong form of the Arabic script this whole time?

>>78247636
Would you know some good (nonrussian) materials for learning nastaliq perchance?

>>78243062
I think there's a new vocative on names, that is formed by removing the final vowel, if any is present. It's pretty much a true vocative, what do you think?

Forming from Maшa:
"Maш, cлyшaй..."
"Masha, ..."

I actually struggle to translate this because "cлyшaй" here has no good equivalent in English that I can think of. Well, it's a 2nd person singular imperative imperfective verb meaning "be listening", but Russians just say this before they say anything else when they want a friend to pay attention.

What's the difference between нecкoлькo and нeмнoгo

and when is the right time to use them?

>>78248135
Hecкoлькo and нeмнoгo are like few and little, but never confused and not interchangeable.

>>78248007
> I actually struggle to translate this because "cлyшaй" here has no good equivalent in English that I can think of. Well, it's a 2nd person singular imperative imperfective verb meaning "be listening", but Russians just say this before they say anything else when they want a friend to pay attention.
Aren't this good examples: http://context.reverso.net/%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4/%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9/Listen%2C+if+you%27re ?

>>78248206
Oй, нeт, нe тaк. I'm so wrong. Delete. Someone say what it actually is because I can't.

>>78248474

thanks for trying lol
it confused me, too

>>78248007
Ehm.. sorry to disappoint you dude, but it only
1) Works with, like, half of the names
2) isn't a vocative. It's just shortening of the word, we do that a lot. Like, instead of saying "cлyшaй" we say "cлыш/cлyх" (not always but in very informal situations) etc.

>>78248206
A better translation would be:
1. Hecкoлькo -- a few
2. Heмнoгo -- a bit/some

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>>78247842
Well, I rely wholly on this book and cannot say if all Persians use tahriri in handwriting. After all, naskh is used as much as nasta'liq in priting, so I assume Persians can write ruq'ah too.

Ruq'ah is a style somewhat resembling naskh, but its line of writing is angled, and the general shape of letters is changed to minimize the number of times you need to lift your pen from paper. It's used in Arabic, I don't know if it has much use in Persian.
For comparison, the sentences in ruq'ah (pic related) and in naskh:
ذهبت أمس إلى مطعم. وذهبت زوجتي وبنتي
إلى هناك. اكلنا لحما ودجاجا ورزا. شربنا الشاي
والقهوة والعصير. جاء النادل وأمرنا بالنبيذ الأحمر.
>>78248007
>Maш, cлyшaй
It's "Look, Masha". We just use the different verbs.
>>78247955
I dunno, honestly.
>>78248135
Hecкoлькo is used with countable nouns, while нeмнoгo is with uncountable ones.
>Кoмиccия paccмoтpeлa нecкoлькo paбoт мoлoдых хyдoжникoв.
>The committee has reviewed a few works of young painters.
>Heмнoгo paбoты нe пoвpeдит.
A bit of work can do no harm.

i need to know if the chat on telegram exists....

>>78248663

ah, I see
thanks mate

Didn't study today apart from my flashcards, pretty disappointed in myself.
Ah well, tomorrow I'll get back at it.

>>78248749
What are you learning, lad?

>>78248210
Aren't all those examples serious? I was thinking of girls talking.

>>78248552
Well, when it's on a noun, it works just like a grammatical case, doesn't it? You always shorten a name with the same purpose of addressing a person. Do find me where you might say Maш instead of Maшa "just to shorten it" and not as a vocative. I don't know about the Slavic vocative but the Latin vocative doesn't do anything in a lot of cases as well.

>>78248824
German. No particular reason behind it honestly, just enjoy a lot of German speaking authors and the countries seem pretty nice too.

>>78248749
Nice blog you got here, m8.
>>78248748
You're welcome. Btw could you solve one question that has been bugging me since ever?
I have been told on several occasions that putting "But" in the beginning of the sentence is a big no-no since it's stylistically wrong but I've always found weird. Can one or cannot start a sentence with "but"?

>>78248945
>but I've always found it weird

>>78248945
these threads mainly consist of people blogposting about their language learning experiences

>>78249029
Honestly, I thought it was about asking and answering practical questions.

>>78248846
Yeah but what about Илья/Игopь/Aндpeй? You don't and you CAN'T shorten these names without adressing them in a super informal/friendly manner. Dude, that's doesn't have anything to do with the vocative.

>>78248945

yeah, I'm no grammar expert, but I would say putting "but" at the start of the sentence is incorrect. But in saying that, I do it anyway :)

Same with "and" occasionally, which is also wrong, both can usually be avoided
no one will get too upset about it, im sure someone smarter than me can explain it better

>>78249144
Do all cases have to change everything? According to you, the accusative does not exist, neither in Russian nor in German.

>>78249193
Thanks, you've solved my question. ;)

kurva anyát, hol vannak a barátaim?

>>78249228
But Accusative in Russian is always different from the Nominative, what's your point here

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So my host/online language partner in Geneva told me that her best friend(female) will celebrate her birthday party during my stay at her place and that I'm invited to come along.

So I'm going to be surrounded by a bunch of posh upper class university chicks in a country I've never been to, having to interact with them in a language I'm only upper intermediate.

I'm still at that awkward stage where I can understand and have direct conversations in French but sometimes I'm completely lost when I'm listening to conversations of native speakers as a third party without knowing the context.

What am I doing.

In Turkish how would you say shoes? Ayakkabı or ayakkabılar? Duolingo says to drop the plural ending but I think Memrise had it with the plural. Or is it a case where its both and you just use whichever you want.

>>78249710
ayakkabılar is the correct one.

>>78249706
Now is the time to dedicate your time to practicing your listening skills. Every free moment you should watch youtube videos (vlogs and other videos where people talk with each other) and truly immerse yourself into the listening of the language. A true language bath.

>>78249706
I was afraid the first time it happened to me, but it turned out to be a great time.

Just don't try to force anything, if you don't understand it then let it go.
>sometimes I'm completely lost when I'm listening to conversations of native speakers as a third party without knowing the context.
keep in mind that this can happen to native speakers as well, don't be too harsh on yourself, don't push to hard and enjoy, it'll be fine.

>>78249688
>Accusative in Russian is always different from the Nominative
If we speak about Acc., the inanimate masculine and neuter nouns take the zero ending, while the feminine or animate ones possess an inflected ending.
Я вижy дoм (inanimate masculine > -O)
Я вижy гaзeтy (feminine > -y)

You're both factually wrong, in short.

>>78248663
What is the default style used online called?

>>78249818
Teşekkür. Can İ also ask you about the suffix -dir? İs it for stating facts? Like if İ say "coffee is brown" vs "this coffee is brown" would it be "kahve kahverengidir" and "bu kahve kahverengi"?

>>78250044
Naskh.
The sentences I've typed are in naskh.

>>78250091
Shit, was trying to get used to the Turkish layout for keyboards and didn't realize i capitalizes to İ.

>>78249937
So the neo-vocative is a no? Sure, it doesn't do anything to adjectives or pronouns, and it only affects the nouns that end in "a" and "e", and there are further phonotactic restrictions, and it requires animacy... But within that set of rules it's productive and the form produced is exclusively vocative. I think it's a case.

>>78250091
yes, -dir suffix is used to state facts.
>this coffee is brown = bu kahve kahverengi
correct
>coffee is brown = kahve kahverengidir
correct

>>78250310
Thanks again!

>>78249428
It's not really incorrect, it's just not the best style. I've always found this retarded, since many natives do use "But" that way, and starting a sentence with "However" is perfectly ok while meaning the exact same thing.

>>78249909
I'm watching French news and pretty much talking to people on HelloTalk everyday.

I might have to watch more movies, so I'm more exposed to more colloquial exchanges.

>>78249936
Alright thanks. I might even be able to impress them, considering most of them (unsuccessfully) studied German at some point

>>78250405
np man. i ll occasionally visit thread if you have more questions. for keyboard you can use turkish Q, its the same as english keyboard but has some keys for turkish letters.

there is also turkish F but stay away from it lol. turkish F layout is actually amazing for turkish but people are too used to Q so they look at F as heresy.

Wikipedia tells me that nasta'liq is it only used for writing poetry in Persian.

>>78250097

Anyone got a LearnItalian.jpg?

>>78250506
Natives are always impressed when you reach some level of profficiency anyway and knowing how native french speakers are quick to say how much our language is difficult, you might impress them.

The only real problem I have found was when I was confronted to slang and private jokes, but there's nothing to do in that case. Also it might be an obvious advice, but don't pretend. I knew a guy who kept pretending he'd understand everything because he feared he would be annoying the others, but it's actually what happen when you get caught (and you will).

I've been learning French on my own and am about to take classes in college. I took a placement test that put me in second year French, but I was in the upper end of that placement and am not sure that the class will be at the right level for me.

Does anyone know about how much of a language 1 year/2 semesters will teach you? About how much you'll know after 2 years? I know it's a vague and general question, but I guess I'd appreciate people sharing their experiences.

>>78239827
I liked the French one. However in the German one I'm going through right now he spends 50%+ of the time nitpicking the pronunciation of some americans. Feels like a waste of time

>>78250506
>So the neo-vocative is a no?
I know Wikipedia isn't really much of a source, but they do actually define such a neo-vocative as you're describing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocative_case#New_vocative

Also, this isn't entirely related, but it's interesting that Mari too has an "archaic vocative" like Russian. In the case of Mari, it's used specifically for kinship terms. For example, "father" is "aчa" in the nominal case, but if you're adressing your father, you say either "aчaй" or "aчий".

>>78251062
Classes are painfully slow and usually cater to the worst student currently in the room.

They can be nice in the beginning to hold your hand by giving you some guidance if you are starting out being completely clueless on how to go about stuff but you won't ever acquire decent fluency from a few hours a week classroom environment(except for maybe some personalized intensive and immersive language course).

You should drop this mindset thinking that you 'need to be taught' a language and take some responsibility for yourself in establishing your own study routine(additional to your formal instruction if you want).

Pretty much any master polyglot today quickly realized that self-study is the best kind of study, they spent some time trying out different study methods and habits until they optimized their own personal one and then started applying it repeatedly.

>>78251212
>>78250246

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Can anyone offer tips to an English speaker wanting to learn Spanish? I downloaded Duolingo, I bought some basic textbooks on Amazon. But IDK where to start....vocab, grammar, etc.

I just want to talk to the senoritas without drooling on myself.

>>78251466
Thanks a lot for the advice. A follow-up question:

I know I'll be taking some foreign language anyway because of the requirement. With what you've said in mind, do you think I should continue with French in college and study on my own at the same time (in particular by filling in the gaps of the class with listening/speaking) and therefore put all effort into it, especially since I struggle with motivation? Or should I study a different language for the requirement for a year as the basis for learning a second foreign language that I may or may not continue in university, and instead just work on becoming fluent in French on my own with discipline? Which option do you think would be more rewarding and educational, and doable?

>>78251879
Duolingo is a good place to start, use Anki to solidify vocab that you learn from Duolingo. Once you start being able to understand some spoken Spanish I'd recommend watching YouTubers to get a feel for natural Spanish speech.

Question for Persian speakers/learners: what does the Ossetian language sound like to your ears? Phonologically speaking, I mean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiSrHcMlMu8

>>78252109
As a complete beginner to Persian, it sounds like a Russian speaking Pashto to me.

>>78251952
I'm not saying that classes are inherently useless, if you think that they hold you accountable, otherwise motivated or are supportive, then by all means go for it and try to supplement them in your spare time.

Any time spent studying one language is lost time studying the other one. You have to know yourself what person you are, your habit formation skills and your discipline.

It is generally not recommended to study several languages at once, if the languages are very similar and if you have no extensive background in previous language study because the lacking speed of progress can be very frustrating, especially next to other obligations. And additionally a language you have no particular interest in?

It can take a longer time until you reach an intermediate stage, when things become more enjoyable since you can actually get out of the school book pit and consume media aimed at natives.

>>78251879
pretty much this >>78251963
Start studying those books and use doulingo. At the same time make flashcards with anki with the vocabulary that you learn on doulingo. Once you finish duolingo and the books you could search something on the internet. Read books, news, watch videos, listen to music, and so on. Try to replace English for Spanish whenever is possible, like when you want to read about a historical event, or look something up on google.

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>>78239122
I'm trying to learn Hebrew

I use both Arabic and English to help me learn Hebrew.

I have problems with Hebrew alphabet.
I know how write the first 8 Hebrew letters in hand writing and print version. I stopped at the 8 letter (ח) because the owner of the YouTube channel only covered 8 letters of the Hebrew alphabet.

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Hey Spanish friends, is there a difference between the 'v' and 'b' in Spanish? People say there is no difference, then they pronounce them differently. Then others say they're different and proceed to pronounce them exactly the same. And everything in between.

Help. It's driving me insane.

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>>78251963
>>78252548
Gracias mucho amingos

>>78252652
No, there is no difference. In Spanish they've fused together and they both make the sound /b/. I think people do make the dinstiction in some parts of the caribean, but I can't tell for sure. I do pronounce them differently because I just got used to it.

>>78252746
*muchas gracias amigos

>>78250536
I'm on a computer, I just downloaded the Turkish keyboard from Microsoft. I want to say its the Q layout since i is on the ' key. I like it because apart from i and ı, every letter is in the same place as the QWERTY English layout.

>>78252384
Alright, I think I have a better idea of what I'll likely do now. Thanks again for the advice Germanon

>>78252841
Spanish uses both /b/ and the bilabial approximate

>>78239122
I'm trying to learn enough spanish to make my customers goddamn sandwiches.
And google translate isn't the best at picking up casual conversation.

>>78253079
Not really. I haven't ever heard anyone doing that.

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>>78252625
Maybe I should have posted earlier than this

>>78253232
Shit, you're right. I though you meant the bilabial fricative.

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>>78253232
I've noticed that Spanish speakers can't tell that they use the approximates, but I guess that's true with all languages

>>78253379
Yeah, most people know absolutely nothing about phonology. But it's kinda hard to analize your own language anyways. I learned like two weeks ago that we have the /ð/ sound.

>>78253475
I probably overuse the approximates in Spanish but god damn I like how they sounda. Spanish phonology is the best imo

Is it realistic to go for C1 in Spanish in a year? Assuming 1 hour/day of "studying" (so like reading and mining vocabulary) and a few hours a week practicing with my Puerto Rican coworkers.

I know these things are kinda hard to tell, but I always plan things out a year in advance so I can break it down into smaller goals to achieve which helps keep me oriented (ADHD is a bitch). I just want a general guideline.

If not C1, is B2 an achievable goal?

>>78254133
>I probably overuse the approximates
how so? do you replace every b or v as an approximant?
Also, you reminded me of vocaroo. Post a recording if you want so I can rate you.

>>78254652
Well, I'd say that reaching a B2 level in a year is achieveable, but you're going to have to study quite hard. So, if you really have the will to do it then go for it.

Could you guys recommend me some good English-speaking podcasts?

I have been listening to The Economist's The Week Ahead, but I am not used to their British accent.

>>78254652
I'm also learning Spanish and have done some research. The rule of thumb is 600 class hours to "business" level, which I think is ~C1. As far as I can tell, these 600 hours don't include studying. So just in class hours you'd need to be studying nearly 2 hours per day. By my rectal estimation, I'm figuring it would take averaging 3-4 hours per day to reach C1 in a year.

>>78254724
>but you're going to have to study quite hard

>quite hard
Define. Like, studying "quite hard" would be 4+ hours/day for me.

>>78254813
Good numbers. But I wonder what exactly you would do with your 2-3 hours/day of studying. I mean, an hour of class learning you'd learn some new vocab, right? Then you study it for 2-3 hours? Just keep reading grammar rules?

Or would it entail something like writing long pieces in Spanish that utilize the words and grammar points you learned that day and have a native speaker look it over and correct you?

I'm sure all of it is useful, I'm just trying to allot the very limited time I have to learn.


Also, would it be more acceptable to think B1 is achievable in a year with 1-2 hours/day of learning? I find it hard to believe it'd take an entire year to reach A2.

>>78254724
I'm not exactly sure, but I only saw the rules for using them when I posted the screenshot. Post some Spanish text for me to read.

>>78254806
There are so many good podcasts in English. What are you interested in? I assume you're into language stuff so I recommend lexicon valley, it's a great podcast and will help your English by giving a linguists perspective. It has a fair amount of technical vocabulary though.

>>78254806
It's a meme and all, but, Joe Rogan might be good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhHtBqsGAoA&

Is the British accent really that much harder to understand? That's interesting to me, because I'd think especially on The Economist they'd be speaking pretty clearly.

>>78254891
You'll have to try different things and see what works for you. I'd say Duolingo + some kind of listen and repeat thing like Pimsleur + do some Michel Thomas each day + flashcards. Pimsleur once in the morning and repeated in the afternoon is an hour right there. Flashcards/anki/quizlet is another easy hour for vocab. Then some time on SpanishDict just looking up grammar. Some Michel Thomas at night. As you get a bit better Periscope is good to listen to because you can find pretty elementary conversations in Spanish "muestra tetas!"

>>78255043
>What are you interested in?
Economics, politics and science, mostly. But I am up for anything, really. I am not looking for podcasts which focuses on teaching English, tough, like BBC Learning English.

I will give Lexicon Valley a try, it seems interesting. Thanks, USA!

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>>78255069
Why would I do Pimsleur and Michel Thomas at the same time? Also why would I repeat the lesson I already had?

I'm sorry anon, I'm looking for advice but you sound like an absolute beginner to learning languages.

>>78255139
>politics
The number one podcast for politics, baby! The Daily Wire is the best you're gonna get. Funny, informed, not full of retarded socialism and "racism!" It's great.

Or Louder with Crowder, which just had Roaming Millennial and Stefan Molyneux on and was entertaining.

>>78255139
I dunno if its what you want but my absolute favorite podcast is No Such Thing as a Fish. Its a 30-40 minute weekly podcast about weird facts that the presenters found during the week. There's four people with pretty distinct voices but they all have British accents which might be hard for you based on what you said. They tend to speak fairly clearly though.

>>78255069
Nice. A comic podcast would be very pleasant.

>Is the British accent really that much harder to understand?
It is to me. Or perhaps I am just not on this level yet. Take this for example: https://player.fm/series/the-economist-the-week-ahead-1464639/the-week-ahead-ballistic-ambitions

I could only understand 80% of what they said.

>>78255139
>Economics
Try planet money from NPR, they have short but interesting stories about all sorts of economics-related stuff.

>>78254891
hehe, I think 4+ hours a day will be enough. But I'm can't tell since it took me like five years to learn English, since I learned it in a passive way.

>>78254933
here you go:

Durante los años 1950, la República Popular China llevó a cabo un programa de distribución de la tierra y una industrialización con la ayuda técnica de la Unión Soviética. Las relaciones entre los dos gobiernos comunistas no eran buenas y los dirigentes chinos veían con preocupación la deuda contraída con la Unión Soviética y los intereses que la República Popular tenía que pagar.

If it is too much just read the fisrt paragraph.

>>78255198
These are pretty far-right podcasts, not a problem if that's your thing but brazilanon should know

>>78255262
I'm on mobile, I didn't realize that vocaroo doesn't work on phones.

>>78255283
It's not "far-right." "Far-right" is what CNN viewers call anyone that isn't a hardcore lefty or a centrist voter that could swing their way.

Ben Shapiro runs The Daily Wire and he's a Jew. I don't think the Nazis in the "far-right" would like him very much, and the ADL called Shapiro the most harassed person on the internet in 2016.

The "far-right" is a silly term considering most Nazis believe in socialism.

You could make a case for Louder with Crowder because they joke about shit like that, but they're closer to the center than people with Kekistani flags.

>>78255215
The Economist does pride itself on being written for a more educated crowd, so their is some more complex vocabulary being used. It might not be the accent but rather just the verbage. I'm a subscriber and they even have a vocabulary of the day app. They love big words.

So save The Economist for later and try a Joe Rogan episode and see how it goes. He publishes them all on youtube and you can download them on his website.

There was a book that someone highly recommended for learning Latin here, does anyone know which one I mean?

>>78255383
Was it Wheelock's?

>>78255400
I think that very well might be it anon, thanks a lot.

>>78255421
It's widely recognized as the best book. I used it myself for a while but I lost interest in Latin because I couldn't figure out how to speak it or who to speak it with.

Has anybody ever successfully learned Dutch?

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>>78255495
Never. It's impossible.

>>78255198
I have heard about The Daily Wire before. I think I will listen to both The Week Ahead and The Daily Wire for keeping me informed about politics. Thanks for the recommendation.

>>78255203
This one does sound very hard, but I will give it a try anyway. Thank you, anon.

>>78255231
I am almost sure that my microeconomics teacher has talked about Planet Money to my class. Got to listen to it.

>>78255283
>>78255349
Most of the information I get about USA politics are from leftist sources, so I believe it would be interesting if listened so some righ-wing source.

>>78255367
Now that you have said it, I think you are right. Perhaps it really was a little bit above my level. But the accent doesn't help too. I got too used to the American accent, I believe.

>>78255520
Fuck

>>78255555
That actually intrigues me a bit, anon. In Brazil, you have a large population of distinctly whites, blacks, and natives.

What are the issues with racism down there? Do you have white people standing around (apparently unemployed) chanting about how whites deserve to die because muh oppression? Or is it sane in Brazil?

Whats the a good (torrentable) German textbook for self-teaching?
Right now i'm going through with Routledge Intensive German Course but it's not designed for self teaching, and I feel like the grammar sections are split up a little non-intuitively.

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>>78255555
>I got too used to the American accent, I believe.
I think as you get better with English you'll start to care less about it.

British English isn't one accent, as most English-speaking people outside of the UK believe (maybe Ausfags know? they don't matter). So I can see how it's disheartening for an English-learner. But I know a girl who grew up in the Philipines(sp) and learned English strictly through watching American TV and talking to Americans online and she's religiously interested in British TV because she thinks "the accent is just so much better."

You'll get there, anon. Just pretend you have a dick in your mouth when you speak English and BAM! You can speak British English :^)

>>78255646
Well, it's complicated. I am afraid I am not adroit enough at writing in English to satisfactorily explain the situation.

We do have a large number of people that demand social justice for the "oppressed minorities". They are those who vote for the Workers Party or the Socialism and Freedom Party and think that Lula is a saint who came down to Earth. Those people pretty much control most of the public universities and the media. Still, the average brazilian is still a catholic conservative.

I am afraid I am not able to compare my country's situation with USA's, if that was what you were expecting.

>>78255770
>Just pretend you have a dick in your mouth when you speak English and BAM!
I laughed at how accurate that seems to be. Thanks for the motivation, anon.

By the way, could you give some opinion about my writing? I believe you could easily distinguish me from a non-native English speaker. How could I improve?

>>78255853
If you think that's a good thing, just continue with your CNN-level podcasts.

If you disagree with that or are even remotely interested in the other side's view, go with the previously mentioned podcasts.

Your situation in Brazil is seemingly identical to ours. Socialists run our education system and media. And they are completely perplexed when you tell them "hey, most of America doesn't want this shit."

>>78255957
Your writing is correct but pretty stiff and formal.

>>78255957
>I believe you could easily distinguish me from a non-native English speaker.
Actually I can't.

I don't know if you're fishing for compliments or whatever, but you seem pretty capable of having a conversation to me. I don't know, of course, how much Googling goes on or how much editing is involved with your posts. But, on the surface, they seem better than half the posts I encounter from native-English speakers.

I'm intentionally upping the level of difficulty in grammar with this post, bordering on rambling, really, just to see if you can keep up.

I'm drunk because why wouldn't I be posting on 4chan, but I hope this proves to be a significant challenge to you grammatically. If not, I'd like to think that you're doing perfectly fine with your English skills. Maybe your listening skills need some refinement but that's always easily remedied by a little American media.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MX0VCOJNeo

>>78256054
Your mom got me stiff and formal, iykwim.

>>78256090
Oh, I am not fishing for compliments. I have no reason to do that at a language learning thread at an anonymous imageboard. But I wouldn't be honest if I said that I didn't get a little stuck up by your answer.

>I'm intentionally upping the level of difficulty in grammar with this post, bordering on rambling, really, just to see if you can keep up.
Aside from "bordering", which I have never seen in this context, I could understand the whole text pretty well.

I guess my main concern should be listening and speaking. I will keep absorbing American media and hopefully find a speaking partner to practice some day.

Thanks for sharing your opinion, anon.

>>78256378
As the other anon said, your writing sounds really formal and proper. Kind of like you have a stick up your was. Not sure if that bothers you or not. You could always try to replicate other poster's writing styles or try to absorb some other informal written media.

>>78256578
If he had an American flag you'd never know he wasn't American.

Stop it, anon. He's not being "stuck-up" at all.

>>78256378
>Aside from "bordering", which I have never seen in this context
I'm genuinely confused. That's how it's used. Except for physical borders, of course. "Bordering on" is like "it's almost (this thing I'm talking about) but it isn't quite yet."

Like:
this anon >>78256578 is bordering on retardation.

See?

>>78257003
>No contractions
Using contractions would make his writing seem way more natural. He's great at writing in English but that doesn't mean he can't improve.

>>78257057
To be fair, middle-children don't use contractions either.

Oldest children tend to be smartest and most likely to use contractions. Middle children tend to shy away from it for whatever reason (I'm not a psychologist).

>>78257088
That's bullshit, everyone uses contractions when speaking and almost everyone uses them when writing. The middle child theory makes no sense

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>>78257132
Middle child detected. Better throw in those apostrophes before your older sibling gets more attention!

>>78257178
I am the oldest child. My parents only had 2 kids so there was no middle child.

>>78257003
I'm not saying it isn't perfectly good English. I'm saying it's too good, which is fairly normal with second languages. You typically pick up on a very formal tone when you learn the language initially which sets you at odds with native speakers in informal environments. All I'm saying is he could learn to loosen up his writing a little to interact more naturally. His English is spot on though, he'll just come off sounding like a bit of a prick or autist by writing so formally all of the time, not as a foreigner.

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>>78257237
I get what you're sayin', bruh. We should hear him speak. If his English is choppy and brutal to listen to, he's terrible and you win. But if his English is almost perfect and sounds the way it reads, I think I win.

Hey, Brazilfag. Speak English for us. That'll be the ultimate deciding factor.

>>78257235
Yeah and my parents were rich and bought me Ferrari's to fuck underage bitches with when I was in Ivy League college despite failing 12th grade 3 times.

>>78257309
This is the weirdest projection I've seen in a while

>>78257343
Where was the projection? Are you saying I actually had a rich family that bought me Ferraris to drive into underage girls' vaginas?

Or are you saying my joke about rich kids being retarded and failing to graduate high school but somehow managing to reach the top schools in the country is somehow projection?

I'm confused anon. Do you just hear the word "projection" and think you'd be clever if you used it somehow? Do tell.

How do you people prefer to use Anki/Quizlet/whatever else?

Just simple words, short phrases, or entire sentences? Or a mix of all of the above?

Also, I've seen some people claim they do something like 400 notes per day, doesn't that simply create an insane backlog of notes to review?

>>78257309
>>78257237
My spoken English is terrible. I am looking forward to improve it, which is much harder than to improve listening or writing skills.

I get what you mean about the stiffness of my writing, but that really doesn't bother me. I have to write academic texts in English, so that's basically the kind of language I have to use.

Still, I will start to pay more attention to this stiffness and try to write more naturally. Thanks for the advice.

>>78257309
>But if his English is almost perfect and sounds the way it reads, I think I win.
No, you don't get what I'm saying then.
I'm saying his English is perfect but he is incredibly formal in his writing. There is nothing wrong with his vocab or grammar whatsoever. The issue I'm pointing out is his tone.
There isn't really an issue with being formal all of the time, plenty of native English speakers are. However, a lot of ESL speakers tend to fall into a formal tone at first, even when they don't want to be. All I'm saying is maybe he doesn't want to sound as formal as his writing is right now. If he does that's perfectly fine but it'll always stand out in conversations but not because he's a foreigner.
Read through his posts, he isn't using any kind of informal language like you and I are, that's all I'm saying.

>>78257393
No dipshit, the middle child thing

>>78257396
>I've seen some people claim they do something like 400 notes per day, doesn't that simply create an insane backlog of notes to review?
Anything more than 50 and you're going to spend the majority of your free time doing anki drills.

Even if you're a NEET and have nothing else to do with your life, very few people want to spend 3 hours on anki every day. And that's at 100 new cards/day. Just imagine 400.

>>78257423
His only critique is that you don't use contractions which I personally didn't even notice.

And if you want to practice speaking English, the only way to do it is to go out and try. I can't imagine coming from a latin language that English is hard. Try learning fucking Vietnamese.

>>78257454
Most ESL students have far more problems than not using contractions. I know Mexicans that speak almost perfect English other than the slight accent you can still hear sometimes but still say things like "I'll explain what is the thing you are asking about" instead of "I'll explain what you are asking about." Contraction really isn't the problem there.

>>78257504
I'm a first-born child though, you nigger. Please go back to worshiping the praise your parents give to your autistic older sibling.

>>78255670
pls respond ;_;

>>78257565
Mate, contraction is not the only difference between informal and formal tone in English. That is not at all what I'm saying. I can write without contractions and still be informal. Like I am doing right this moment. Word choice and phrasing makes up most of the difference between formal and informal tones in English. Look, I'll rewrite some of his post in a more conversational English to show you.

>My spoken English is terrible. I am looking forward to improve it, which is much harder than to improve listening or writing skills.

My spoken English is kind of bad. I am looking forward to improving it, although it's a lot harder to improve than my writing or listening skills.

I only used one contraction there but it doesn't sound as stiff as his original writing. Again, there is literally no issue with being stiff or formal in all of your writing, especially since he said he was mostly using English for Academic reasons. I was just trying to make sure he was fine with it because a lot of ESL speakers don't intend to be so formal all of the time.

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>>78257826
tl;dr

Fuck off Commie.

>>78257913
:/
>>78257423
Anyway, Brazilbro, your written English is perfectly fine as it is. I wouldn't worry about it, especially since you seem to be using it in an academic setting.
As for improving your spoken English I can't suggest much apart from practicing with natives. You were the one asking about podcasts, right? Maybe try to listen and repeat some of them. Record yourself on your phone/computer and compare your pronunciation to theirs.

Started memorizing katakana so I can understand those eroge menus, having fun desu

>>78257237
Honestly think he would only sound particularly formal to an American

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>>78258410
He doesn't though. This anon is just being a twat. You know how liberals are, being in the capital of destroying the huwite race and all.

Learning is hard and so therefore all languages should be fined except Arabic which is the best and purest of all languages due to their oppression (or whatever idiots like him believe).

>>78258410
I dunno, most of my family is British and they don't sound so formal unless they're taking the piss on me for being American.

>>78257685
You can try FSI courses, don't know specifically about the German one but they are generally good.

>>78252109
I learnt Persian a bit and doesn't sound familiar at all, including intonation.
Btw the girl speaking from 0:50 to 0:55 reminds me of Dany speaking Valyrian lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd4L21NkDzI

>>78252625
Why don't you use another channel, duh? There's like shitton of resources.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBVpQzvrJ4w

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>mixed up my german articles for accusive case and Dative cases AGAIN

>>78250536
I'm an autist and learned Dvorak, is there also a Turkisk Dvorak layout?

>>78249706
Hello my Freund

If I may chip in, this situation is obviously perfect to practice your speaking.
But, it's also clearly some type of event where you will be rated by her friends.
Be relaxed, have fun.
I don't know what kind of party it is, but don't just sit and talk but also dance (with her).

Show them you are not afraid of using your French, and just be clear when you don't understand something to avoid painful silences or awkward situations where you read it completely wrong.

Bonne chance tiger, go get them :^)

>>78249706
I had a German student come over and brought her to parties and nightclubs, she was of similar level. She learned a lot even in the three weeks she was here. You'll be fine, people will be really cool to you.

>>78255139
Search for Dan Carlin's Hardcore History
A favorite of mine, his older ones are on torrent sites while the newest ones you can get for free on his site.

>>78255495
I did. At the age of 3 I started to form my first small sentences. According to my mother I was a late speaker.

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Going to borrow lots of cute children's books in French from the library :333 meaby Tintin x3

>>78258475
Arabic is a fantastic language tbqh, the culture just repels me. I wish there was a neutral or Christian Semitic language, like Aramaic is but it's barely alive.

>>78266045
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Christians

>>78263044
Not lang related, but is it worth learning? How are you finding it?

>>78267532
According to ''''''''sources'''''''''''it's way better than qwerty for your wrists. And faster.
I like it.

Rosetta Stone is dull as as fuck lads. Just Duolingo with more pictures. Can't believe people pay £££ for that.

>>78268457
They pay a LOT of money for that, too. It's a huge scam and perfect example of great marketing.

>>78263044
I don't think there's a direct Dvorak layout but it looks like the F layout was designed with the same mindset as Dvorak. So you could go turbo autist and learn that layout as well and have superior typing skills in two languages.

>finish french course on duolingo
>learned nothing
>start the german course in french
>suddenly able to learn french

huh

Where to find groups of German speakers to practice with?

>>78270858
HelloTalk, Tandem. The erasmus chapter of your local university. Facebook groups of expats in your city.

>>78270858
shitpost on krautchan

>>78271129
>HelloTalk
They're terrible at convo
>Tandem
I'll give that a look
>erasmus chapter
Intend to once semester starts back at the end of next month.

>>78271180
Didn't KC die?

>>78244101

Make my own other peoples never has all my shit and usually mixes stuff I havent seen.

>>78242038
quoque is "also"

>>78270858
Where to find groups of Latin speakers to practice with?

>>78272014
unironically reddit

>>78249566
Itt vagyok bazdmeg

>>78268366
Is it easy to switch back and forth? I considered learning it but was afraid when using other computers it would mess me up.

>>78273526
I highly doubt you would ever forget how to use qwerty, even if henceforth you only used a different layout on your home computer.

>>78273526
It definitely does mess you up. You won't be completely unable to use qwerty but say goodbye to touch typing. I guess if you switched between them often enough then maybe you'd end up ambilayoutous, but that's just a guess.

>>78274129
I imagine you would, since for example Russians have to switch between keyboard layouts and they've gotten used to it.

However, like Mariman, I get confused for a few seconds sometimes when I write in qwerty again. Probably a question of habit.

How to I get into conversations where I can practice my Korean? I'm considering biting the bullet when it comes to social anxiety and getting on HelloTalk but is it honestly worth it? Would I enjoy the people there or should I study alone?

>>78278448
just try it mate

Is spending the first days / weeks learning the phonetics of your target language worth it or is it a meme? By this I mean repeating again and again isolated sounds and words.

I want to learn French and pronunciation worries me a little. My pronunciation in English isn't very good either maybe because I never paid attention to learning the sounds and phonemes or maybe because I'm just retarded when it comes to producing sounds that don't exist in Spanish.

Does anyone know where one can download disney classics in German. For whatever reason I can't find any with seeds even though like fucking everything is available in swedish goddamnit

>>78279092
I find phonetics to be a waste of time until you're semi fluent in the language. Once you can start having conversations it's easy to compare/correct your pronunciation as you talk with native speakers/

>>78266045
culture is actually pretty chill and dude weed lmao, you guys just dont see that aspect because of 7/24 propoganda.

i still dont like arabs for other reasons.

>>78252652
In Spanish, the letters b and v are not distinguished, but together they can be pronounced [b] or as a "bilabial approximant" (something close to a [v]) depending on the environment.

You pronounce them both as [b] after m and n, or at the beginning of a phrase. In all other positions, you use the [v]-like bilabial approximant.

Examples:
enviar (sounds like em-BYAR)
invierno (sounds like eem-BYER-no)
ambos (sounds like AM-bos)
Volveré mañana. (sounds like bol-veh-REH)
Mañana volveré (sounds like vol-veh-REH)

>>78279692
Vaca (BAK-ah)
La vaca (la VAK-ah)
Las vacas (laz VAK-as)

>>78279692
>>78279745
not him obviously, but thanks for that explanation, Anon

>>78273778
>even if henceforth

>>78280546
Is that really wrong?

>tfw English is a native language of mine, and yet it keeps getting worse and worse with time
Having two different native languages can be quite weird at times.

>>78280623
I'm pretty sure henceforth should be at the end of the sentence in ordor for it to be grammatically correct

>>78280623
I confused henceforth and thenceforth, sorry.

>>78280660
Intuitivelly, that doesn't seem right to me. If anything, I think it should only at the beginning of a sentence.

>>78280877
>Intuitivelly
Intuitively*

>>78280877
Actually thinking about it some more I think it can be in multiple places.

>>78241882
ما هي أسهل اللهجة العربية اللتي تُفهم في معظم البلدان العربية؟

>>78281046
People who study Arabic are always saying Egyptian Arabic is the most widely understood dialect... Followed by Syrian/Lebanese Arabic.

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slow threads today

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resources for improving my polish? Both my parents are poles and i learned it verbally growing up, but my writing is shit and I feel like i forgot a lot.

>>78279118
Do they have German dubs for them? Bumping for interest.

>>78284113
There are dubs in virtually every language for them anon. The internet just seems to be loaded with only english, swedish and italian dubs of them with the odd spanish dub here and there

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Any guides about how to learn portuguese?
I am learning words (very slow and not often). When I will know 500 or more - I will start to learn grammar. I need one book with grammar, not too big, kind of "english grammar in use" of Murphy, but for portuguese. Can you recommend something?

>>78284927
Portuguese grammar isn't difficult. I recommend music: it did a great job of drilling the sound of the language in for me.

>>78284339
>>78284113
>>78279118
I tried my hardest. Can't find shit for disney movies in German dubs. So I went hunting for my old anime German dub site, but it's not up anymore. I did find Elfen Lied dubbed entirely though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShSR0B36nRc

Feels bad man. Germany is absolutely nuts when it comes to piracy so it's impossible to find anything. Best you can do is use the German netflix is you're able to (vpn needed) and go from there as far as I can tell.

>>78286188
Yeah I came to pretty much the same conclusion, either that or buy some from amazon.de. Netflix would offer some other perks as well I guess.

>>78286260
If you already have netflix, I know the netflix original shows already have a German dub built in (in the american version as least). But you have to suffer through netflix original shows.

>>78286410
Any country that offers Netflix will typically have a dub for their original shows and at least subs for things like comedy specials that Netflix sponsors. The only issue is that those dubs/subs aren't always shown until you manually switch your profile language to your target language.

I'm thinking about starting German in September, I mean I could literally start right now but I'm sooo so lazy

>>78286410
Nah I don't have netflix.

>>78279092
I don't really think that that could be useful. Just start learning, and with time you'll just remember how to pronounce every word.

>>78287145
Just do it, you fucking sugar nigger

>>78261097
That's the same channel I was talking about

She only covered 8 latters

>>78287145
Learn middle low german instead.

>>78288655
why do you need to use a youtube channel

it's not like there's a shortage of information about the hebrew alphabet across the web

>>78287145
Start RIGHT NOW.
I want to hear from you again in 2 hours, and you better have started.

>>78290164
Because it gives you the written version and the print version

>>78290278
you mean this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursive_Hebrew

>>78290278
>>78290400
also, if you need to see the exact stroke direction(s) and an example of how they're used in writing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS-quxkdSzc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTzyRdoXlbs

Jeebus why is it so hard to tell the time in Turkish. You have different rules depending on whether or not its a full or half hour, if its before the first 30 minutes of the hour and if its after the first 30 minutes. Then you have to say its a quarter till or a quarter after instead of XX:15 or XX:45.

>>78290704
>tfw in German you say "half eight" for "7:30"

>>78291322
>"Quarter of the way to 7" = 6:15
boi.

>>78290704
you can also say XX:15 or XX:45 as in just saying the number such as;

>3.45 = 3ü 45 geçiyor
which literally stands for "its 45 past 3". its pretty versatile language in most cases.

>>78291385
what

>>78291426
viertel 7 = a quarter of 7 = 6:15
I was just triggered by the half eight thing and felt the need to add on.

>>78283895
http://paralleltext.io/

>>78291490
Viertel vor sieben = 6:45
Viertel nach sieben = 7:15
I've never heard just "Viertel sieben" before

>>78291391
>>78290704
wanted to add, you can even say and it would be fine as well.

>3 45 (üç kırkbeş)

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>>78291562
damn, I hope my textbook isn't feeding me bullshit then.

>>78291837
Apparently it's a regional thing, never knew that.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/viertel#German
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dreiviertel

>>78291678
Huh, that's good to know. Duolingo said that stating the time like that was only if you weren't quite sure of the exact time.

>>78291391
Also what's the ü stand for in 3ü 45 geçiyor?

>>78291935
Ohh, neat. I mean, viertel vor and viertel nachs makes more sense to my English speaking brain, but still, good to know.

>>78291517
Didn't know about this. Fantastic stuff, thanks for sharing

>>78292250
No problem

>>78292018
duolingo is correct but you can still use it no problem in daily life.

>>78292061
its to specify to what that 45 belongs to. it belongs to 3. you use one of the vowels "ı,i,u,ü" depending on with what the word is ending. it stands for accusative in english i guess.

for 3 (üç), it ends with "ç" so you have to use "ü". but lets say you want to say its 2:45, which can be said like "a quarter left to three" and then you say it in turkish as "3e 15 var". now 15 doesnt belong to 3, it belongs to 2 in fact. but the time is approaching to 3 so you use dative which is "e,a" in majority of the cases. may sound a bit complicated. i am not really a language expert.

i can't fucking understand the dativ, akkusativ, nominativ and genitiv shit on German :(

>>78292676
Huh, didn't think you would use the accusative case like that. Kinda makes sense, but I might just avoid saying the time like that.