/lang/ - Language Learning

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>>78181146
>Language learning resources:
http://4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

http://www.duolingo.com/
>Duolingo is a free language-learning platform that includes a language-learning website and app, as well as a digital language proficiency assessment exam. Duolingo offers all its language courses free of charge.

>>>/t/746368
>Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30+ languages.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk#
>Google Drive folder with books for all kinds of languages.

https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/oldfsi/index.html
>Drill based courses with text and audio.The Foreign Service Institute (FSI) is the United States federal government's primary training institution for employees of the U.S. foreign affairs community.These courses are all in public domain and free to download.Site may go down sometimes but you can search for fsi on google and easily find a mirror.

https://www.memrise.com/
>Free resource to learn vocabulary, nice flash cards.

https://lingvist.com/
>It's kinda like Clozemaster in the sense that you get a sentence and have to fill in the missing word, also has nice statistics about your progress, grammar tips and more information about a word (noun gender, verb aspects for Russian, etc.)

ankisrs.net/
>A flash card program

https://www.clozemaster.com/languages
>Clozemaster is language learning gamification through mass exposure to vocabulary in context.Can be a great supplementary tool, not recommended for absolute beginners.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/
>Tatoeba is a collection of sentences and translations with over 300 hundred languages to chose from.

radio.garden/
>Listen to radio all around the world through an interactive globe

https://forvo.com
>Has pronunciation for lots of words in lots of languages

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>>78181171
http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty
>Check out information about languages and their difficulties

http://lexicity.com/
>An invaluable resource for comparative language study as well as those interested in ancient languages

http://cosmogyros.tumblr.com/post/108962232110/huge-new-language-learning-collection
>A very extensive language learning collection for 90+ languages.

http://www.dliflc.edu/resources/products/
>Similar to FSI, drill-based courses with text and audio issued by the US government.These courses were made for millitary personel in mind unlike FSI.

http://en.childrenslibrary.org
>Lots of childrens books in various languages, categories 3-5yo, 6-9yo, 10-13yo.

https://www.hellotalk.com/#en
>The app is basically whatsapp, but only connects you with people who are native in the language you are trying to learn. It also has a facebook type section where you can share pics and stuff too.

https://www.italki.com/
https://www.mylanguageexchange.com/
https://www.interpals.net/
http://www.gospeaky.net/
https://www.speaky.com/
https://polyglotclub.com/
http://lang-8.com/
>Few more language exchange communities like Hellotalk:

http://www.goethe-verlag.com/
>A mostly free site which offers audio and drill like exercises for 40+ languages.

http://www.languagetransfer.org/
>A free resource with recordings to learn a language.

https://babadum.com
>Flash card game with a focus on vocabulary.

http://context.reverso.net/translation/
>A website like Tatoeba (also has a Firefox extension!)


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>>78181338
Actually that is pretty useful/interesting, not so much for me but I'm sure otheres would find that information useful

Maybe you should consider editing the Russian guide, or making an addendum of some sort with your own thoughts?

>>78181446
Mmm all right, but I can only comment on the "Absolute Beginner" and "Beginner" sections, and I don't know if it's very smart of me to shit on someone's work while being such a newbie.

>>78181146
>wants to learn languages
>absolutely hates interacting with other people

Anyone else have this problem?

>>78181740
learn a dead language like latin, ancient greek, or classical chinese.

>>78181770
Those are too hard though.

>>78181740
Learn a programming language

>faggot Leaves are 90% of this thread's posts
>this thread made me spill my beer, now my keyboard smells like a brewery
>leafs responsible due to their Obama-tier Leftist-shitposting

Fucking Canada was a mistake. Too bad the War of 1812 didn't conquer Fagada. We should try it again as soon as we get rid of Leftist fruitcakes today. I foresee that when Fagafornia falls and Faggywood starts to bomb, you lefties will be forced back into Canada, speaking a bastardized French that only a Fagadian would love.

Meanwhile, we Americans will continue to learn Spanish at an alarming level.

>>78181778
only a little harder than a living language

About to enter uni and want to study a language, at least have to for the requirement. I already have decent knowledge of French and am thinking of just continuing it there starting at second year since that would likely help me become fluent faster, especially since I have motivation issues. At the same time though I think I could finish learning it on my own, and maybe I'd be better off studying another language at uni, especially a more difficult one, and that'd maybe be more useful and educational?

Idk what to do yet really or what necessarily I'm getting at by posting this here, guess I'd just appreciate opinions on this and on learning a language at uni or minoring in one in general.

>>78182213
I'd say just take French, especially if you have motivation and/or discipline issues, in which case it'll really help. Not to mention that it's never recommend to study more than one language at the same time.

>>78181778
not necessarily difficult, personally I'm learning koine (greek) because my university is doing "free" courses and they told me that it is easier then to learn the classic and modern if you know the koine

>>78181146
>What language are you learning?
Portuguese (Brazilian)

>Share language learning experiences!
Started about 2 years ago in August 2015, in preparation for attending the Olympics in Rio. It was my first international trip alone and first to a non-English speaking country, so I wanted to be as prepared as I could. I used Pimsleur, Anki, and Duolingo in varying amounts. Also met a penpal on Interpals who I both wrote to and had a few skype sessions with. Continued all of the above after the trip, but with much less drive/regularity, since the main motivating force for doing it RIGHT NOW was gone. I was still interested in the language, though.

Finally finished the Duolingo course several weeks ago. I've tried moving on to other content sources, and it's definitely harder to acquire new vocabulary and requires more self discipline to get something out of the practice time. My main practice methods now are watching closed captioned news shows and reading target language websites (news and reddit). Sometimes I listen to Portuguese ASMR videos. I've never been formally tested or anything, but I feel like my current skills are overall about A2 level, B1 in contexts which favor my established vocabulary.

Even though progress feels slow, I get a solid spark of joy when I understand a few sentences in a row, and a smaller one when I get the gist of a news report just through recognizing bits and pieces. I want to make a lifelong hobby of language learning, especially if I can structure a better process for myself. Once I get to overall B2 level, I want to start learning Spanish (hopefully easy due to similarity), then once that gets to the same level, branch out into undecided other languages. Languages I'd like to at least try eventually include, in no particular order, Spanish, French, German, Russian, Mandarin, Japanese, Swahili, and Navajo. If I decide to go to the Tokyo Olympics, I'll probably cram some Japanese over the course of the preceding year.

>>78183241
>Navajo
why exactly?

It seems like it would be extremely challenging to learn, to say the least.

For example, "I love you" in Navajo is "ayóóʼánííníshʼní".
>ayóo (“very”) + á- (“thus”) + ni- (2nd-person object prefix) + yíní- (“directed at”) + sh- (1st-person subject prefix) + -d- (classifier) + -ní (neuter imperfective stem of -NIID (“to feel, want, desire, love”)

Phonetically speaking it's also not the easiest of languages.

>>78183524
It just seems really interesting to try a complicated agglutinative language like that, and I like the idea of trying out a Native American language.

I doubt I'll be come fluent in more than one or two of those languages, but it'd be still be cool to just dive in and learn all about how it works, especially if I could get a good teacher.

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>>78183600
<- JFC good luck with that. Two aspects is already hard enough for me

How much does accent matter? I have been practicing Spanish for a while now and have gotten decent at it. I am getting better at pronunciation and emphasizing the correct vowel and syllable of words but I feel that my accent will always be pretty poor.

tfw I did not start learning another language until my 20s...

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How do I make this language less ugly?

>>78168593
It's defective. "Я пью вoдy" is an imperfective construction, and given that it's inherently present tense it just means "I am drinking / I drink water", in a generic sense. You can specify partitiveness with "нeмнoгo вoды" like in English.

Perfective "я выпью вoдy" becomes future tense. It's not possible to express the perfective aspect in the present tense; only the past and future are available.

Basically, the partitive in Russians is defective (incomplete), but for what it's worth, it is still used regularly whenever applicable.

>>78185563
Age really doesn't matter. For accent try finding someone specific to mimic. Someone with a lot of content like an actor or tv personality.

How many languages call the fruit orange the same as the color orange?

Chinese does and I'm wondering if it's a coincidence

>>78183524
Is Windtalkers your favorite movie?

>>78187443
We do but with a slight difference.
πορτοkάλι is orange.
πορτοkαλί is the color.
Only the accent/stress changes.

>>78187874
Well it changes slightly in Chinese too but it's almost identical

橙色 For colour
橙子 For fruit

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>>78187443
For Europe

>>78187443
Oranje is the colour, sinaasappel is the fruit (lit. china's apple)

>>78188417
well that doesn't say anything about the color

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>>78188417
delete

>>78188435
>china's apple
Interesting. We firstly imported oranges from the Portuguese (they imported them from China) so our word for the fruit is a variant of the word "Portugal".

How hard is it to learn Hindi? I understand the writing system will take some getting used to, but is the grammar really all that difficult?

>>78183241
Boa sorte irmão. Projeto ambicioso esse seu.

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how the FUCK do i learn pinyin

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>check out that lingvist thing
>neat, there's an estonian thing there
>check it out, first word is thank you
>write kiitos since no idea what it actually is
>turns out it's Aitäh
Top kek, in Finnish that would mean "Huh?" when you don't really understand or hear what someone is saying

On a more serious note, can anyone recommend some good German films/TV shows, trying to get back up to speed with my German since I want to take some German courses on the side of my uni studies. Already seen/downloaded Das Boot; Unsere Mütter, unsere Vater; Deutschland 83; Goodbye Lenin; Der Untergang and Das Leben der anderen

>>78190034
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082176/

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>>78181146
I'm currently learning German, I wonder if any of you know what augsburger puppenkiste is, I saw some videos on youtube and I'm trying to do immersion by watching them.

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Can someone reinforce for me that you don't have to be smart to learn a language, just work hard? Is that really true? Or does it just mean "if you are retarded it will take you 5,000 hours to get decent rather than 600 if you weren't retarded."?

t. dumbanon

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>>78191097
>http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty
you just need time

>>78189548

Sounds hard.

The Hindi script is quite opaque to Westerners, some of whom say that Chinese script is easier. You speak one way if you are talking to a man or a woman, and you also need to take into account whether you as speaker are male or female. Gender is also as prominent as in Spanish; you have to remember whether any given noun is masculine or feminine.Hindi is definitely an IE language by its rich system of gender, case and number inflection.

The most difficult aspects of Hindi are the pronunciation and the case system. In addition, Hindi is split ergative, and not only that, but it actually has a tripartite ergative system, and the ergativity is split by tense like in Persian.

The distinction between aspirated/unaspirated and alveolar/retroflex consonants is hard for many to make. There is a four-way distinction ion the t and d sounds with aspirated/unaspirated dental and aspirated/unaspirated retroflex t‘s and d‘s. The are three different r sounds – one that sounds like the English r and two retroflex r‘s that are quite hard to make or even distinguish, especially at the end of a word. Hindi also has nasalized vowels.

If you come from a language that has case, Hindi’s case system will not be overly difficult.

In addition, there is a completely separate word for each number from 1-100, which seems unnecessarily complicated.

However, Hindi has a number of cognates with English. I am not sure if they are Indic loans into English or they share a common root going back to Proto-Indo-European (PIE).


Nevertheless, Hindi typically gets a high score in ratings of difficult languages to learn. Based on this high score across multiple surveys, we will give it a relatively high rating.

Hindi is rated 4, very hard to learn.

https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/more-on-the-hardest-languages-to-learn/

>>78191329
Thanks. So using that 600 class hours over 24 weeks, that's 25 hours per week or 3.5 hours per day. I'm at ~3 hours per day, bit more on the weekends, now so hopefully by end of the year I can be at ILR3:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ILR_scale#ILR_Level_3_.E2.80.93_Professional_working_proficiency

>>78190034
benny lewis did a blogpost about that
look it up

>>78191587
>"""""""""""Fluent in 3 months"""""""""""""" Benny Lewis

>>78191623
i never said that his strats work for everyone
just that he recommended some films

>>78191550
I recommend you start slowly, go at your own pace unless you have an incredible strength of will

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>>78191804
I have the power of autism, which among the only upsides is strength of will in a hobby.

>>78191936
what language are you trying to learn anon?

What's the closest language to Russian and in how much time can I learn it if I already speak Russian?

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>>78192222
Russian, Rusyn, Ukrainian and Belarusian make up the East Slavic group, but I couldn't tell you how long it takes to learn one if you speak the other.

>>78192101
Spanish. I'm older too so hoping that doesn't delay me too much. I have lots of people around me that speak Spanish to practice with, although right now 70 hours or so in over the last month and a half I'd struggling to say much.

>>78192339
I'd == I'm *

>>78192332
Hmm thanks, do you know how close is Polish to Russian? Polish seems like an useful language

>>78192339
for all the ancient gods please don't learn the Mexican accent, I know it can be tempting as they are next door but do not do it
>>78192499
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfpEPjfB12g
paul made a video about it (almost)

>>78189899
Live in a Buddhist monastery

>>78192827
I work with Cubans, and know a few Venezuelans. I'm not sure who to mimic.

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>>78192499
A bit hard for me since I'm a beginner in Russian and I don't speak Polish, however, I'm low-intermediate in Czech which is quite close to Polish.

Comparing Czech to Russian, I would say that you will have an easier time learning the grammar, since you have already mastered aspects, and the case system. Czech and Polish also have a vocative case, but that's very easy. So far, I'm finding the logic behind the grammar to be very similar. For example, the way the past and future tenses are expressed is nearly identical and the case endings are similar.

Polish and Russian are still different languages and not mutually intelligible at all, but you'll have a way easier time than if you didn't know Russian.

Is anyone here learning a language using resources from your second language? Like you speak English natively but have fluently learned Russian and are now using Russian resources to learn German.

>>78194251
I remember reading this is a great idea.

>>78194251
>>78194484
pretty much any non-english native here

Is it even worthwhile memorising the endings that normally indicate gender for nouns, or will I just pick them up on a case by case basis?

>>78191329
Where does German fit in that graph? Dutch and Swedish are easy so I suppose German is too.

Is it worth learning Turkish? For some reason I find it to sound really mellow/gentle.

>>78194841
I'm studying Turkish for personal reasons but with the way current politics are it might be useful down the line.

>>78194841
>>78195184
Cut off half my post on accident.
If you follow the link posted with the chart they list German as slightly harder than Dutch and others. 750 hours instead of 600ish hours.

>>78194506
This

>>78194841
Worth it? I don't know. I just enjoy Turkish for some reason.

>>78195318
>I just enjoy Turkish for some reason.
>t. turk

:^)

>>78195381
I'm white and 100% Germanic.

>>78195381
>>78195381
I dunno, it just seems so mellow and pleasing to the ear. People don't seem to like it because of all the guttural/low throat sounds but that's what endears me to the sound, desu

>>78195509
the official "istanbul" turkish isnt guttural at all but regional dialects, specially around konya/karaman region or southeast turkey are sort of guttural.

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Mari anon here

So I got a new reply, and for some reason the guy on VK decided to answer using a relatively complicated construction instead of just simple babby-tier terms, and I'm really not fucking sure if I understand part of his post (though at least I understand the other part where I think he directly answers my question).

I probably should have asked him if he could explain in English or Russian, but now I feel like it's too late, I just cannot ask him yet again to explain.

>>78195872
Just say "thanks, I think I sort of get it"

>>78196234
Yeah that's what I was planning on doing

I'll just wait a bit on the off-chance that someone else provides some input

>>78195628
Is it going to be difficult to understand other regional variants for a non native speaker?

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Hello everyone, and much love. I have several questions I think you can help me with.
Now, the n00b question: How hard is Korean, for a Turkish speaker familiar with agglunation?
And now, Spanish-specific questions:
1-How do you say 'the box which contained the diamonds'?
a)La caja que contenía los diamantes
b)La caja cual contenía los diamantes
c)La caja la cual contenía los diamantes
I'd normally say a) but I haven't been studying for 2 weeks and had last studied how to connect sentences using cual or donde (anything but que, really).
2-How do you use and conjugate the past and future subjunctives? And do you use perfect tense subjunctives at all, like past perfect subjunctive?

Thanks in advance should you help me. And as always, I can help you with Turkish.

>>78196364
not really unless the speaker speaks really fast, it ll maybe take some 5 minutes to get used to it.

How can I write better in English? Where can I practice?

I can read and listen to pretty much every bit of information, but I struggle a lot to write comprehensive texts. I have a huge vocabulary but it is like I don't know when to use the most adequate words.

I am looking forward to getting a CPE next year, but I have to drastically improve my writing before I take the test. I am not taking any chances.

>>78196949
>Where can I practice?

/brit/ threads

>>78194660
What language?

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>>78196576
how do you say "Please cuddle me" and "I want to be your pet human" in Turkish?

>>78197050
>bana sokul
>evcil insanın olmak istiyorum
das gay btw

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>>78197050

>>78197017
German.

>>78194660
I'm learning german as well, the only ones I've found use memorizing are -chen indicating a neuter and -ung and -heit indicating a feminine. I think you shouldn't worry about memorizing them right off the bat, as the words arrange themselves into sentences the patterns become obvious anyway.

>>78196576
it's not that much easier

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>>78197110
>>78197193
how about "I love you mommy" and "I want to fall asleep on your lap"?

>>78197663
seni seviyorum anneciğim
kucağında uyuyup kalmak istiyorum

>>78185563
Accent doesn't really matter as long as you pronounce the words correctly.

>>78196576
a) is the best option, b) is wrong, and c) should be "la caja, la cual contenía los diamantes", which would be translated as "the box, the one which contained the diamonds".

Don't learn the future subjunctive, it isn't used anymore, just in law legislation and such.

Imperfect subjunctive: https://www.spanishdict.com/guide/spanish-imperfect-subjunctive

Past perfect subjunctive: https://www.spanishdict.com/guide/past-perfect-subjunctive-forms

>>78198342
What do you call a type of sentence that doesn't just state something, it also is another action itself? For instance when couples say "I do" they do not only say something, they also perform another action, they make a promise. When a boss says "you're fired'< he's not just stating the fact that you don't work for him anymore, he is performing an action, i.e. firing you. I had a brain fart and forgot it, it's driving me nuts trying to remember

>>78198241
last one before bed
how do you say "Please lead me around on a leash" and "you're a goddess"?

Also how do you pronunce ğ?

>>78196576
>And now, Spanish-specific questions:
>1-How do you say 'the box which contained the diamonds'?
>a)La caja que contenía los diamantes
>b)La caja cual contenía los diamantes
>c)La caja la cual contenía los diamantes
>I'd normally say a) but I haven't been studying for 2 weeks and had last studied how to connect sentences using cual or donde (anything but que, really).
a) and c) are correct but are used slightly differently. You normally write a comma and make a pause before using "el/la cual".

>2-How do you use and conjugate the past and future subjunctives?
You don't need the future subjunctive unless 1.) you're a lawyer, 2.) you care about medieval and Renaissance Spanish literature. It's extremely rare nowadays outside the law.

This page does a very good job explaining the conjugation and use of the "past subjunctive" (its more common name is "imperfect subjunctive"):
https://www.spanishdict.com/guide/spanish-imperfect-subjunctive

>And do you use perfect tense subjunctives at all, like past perfect subjunctive?
Yes and they're perfectly normal. Haya hecho, hubiera/hubiese hecho.

These spanishdict.com pages seem good as well:
https://www.spanishdict.com/guide/spanish-present-perfect-subjunctive
https://www.spanishdict.com/guide/past-perfect-subjunctive-forms

>>78198586
Lütfen beni tasmayla dolaştır
Sen bir tanrıçasın / Tanrıçasın, depends on the context
you can ignore ğ on most words and just read the word as if it didn't exist, like 'anneciim'

>>78198672
but what about if it's something you have to pronounce like in the name Ilkay Gundoğan?

>>78198342
>>78198669
thanks lads

>>78198694
>Gundoğan
you can spell it like Gundoan no problem

>>78198694
you only truly 'need' 'ğ' in short words and if it's between two consonants like ağ, ağaç, ağrı, eğri, oğul, öğle

>>78198529
I'm not sure what you're talking about, but in Spanish to confirm what anyone else is saying we say "yes, yes I (action which is being confirmed)"

For example:
-¿Quieres comer?
-Sí, sí quiero.

literally:
-Do you want to eat?
-Yes, yes I want.

That part of "sí quiero" would have to be translated as "I do".

As for the name of that kind of construction, I have no idea.

>>78198878
in ağaç, oğul and maybe even in öğle you can ignore ğ, it will sound like its some local dialect

Russian anons, what the fuck does "B чeм жe"/"чeм жe" mean and how does it differ from "чтo"?

>>78198919
This "I do" he gave as an example is the phrase that the groom and the bride say when they're getting married, accepting their vows. In Spanish the equivalent is "Sí quiero", I think (after the priest or minister says something like "¿Quieres recibir a Juan como esposo prometiéndole serle fiel en las alegrías y en las penas, en la salud y en la enfermedad, y así amarlo y respetarlo todos los días de tu vida?", of course, these vows are worth nothing nowadays).

>>78197110
Wouldn't it be bana lütfen sokul? Or lütfen bana sokul?

>>78199969
ahh yeah there has to be a lütfen there, forgot the "please" part

>>78200034
Does it really matter where you put the please in this sentence? Also I thought to hug was sarılmak or kucaklamak for cuddle. Now I'm worried I've been lied to by Duolingo

>>78200177
sokulmak is the proper word for cuddle. both sarılmak and kucaklamak actually stand for hug. you can use kucaklamak for cuddle as well but sokulmak is the actual proper word.

and no, you can put it anywhere in sentence actually. "bana sokul lütfen" has the same meaning too.

>>78200279
Ah good to know. I was always told that the verb had to come last in the sentence, even if it was as a command like sokul.

Making an Arabic language learning guide, stay tuned fellas.

>>78201181
Thanks for contributing arabanon.

>>78198919
pls never leave I learn so much from your posts.

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>>78201533
Here it is

>>78201774
>Not explaining how arabic is not one single unified language
>Not giving pros/cons of each "dialect"

>>78181146
>What language are you learning?
Japanese
>>Share language learning experiences!
I've learned the Hiragana alphabet in 4 days with an app called Kana Town.
>>Help people who want to learn a new language!
I recomend the app Kana Town to learn Hiragana and Katakana

>>78201774
nice, thanks for the contribution habibi

>>78201944
I explained that in the first paragraph.
And I might add pros and cons of dialects, thanks for the feedback.
>>78201959
You're welcome.

>>78202006
You shortly mention it, but it doesn't exactly explain how, for example, some dialects are practically mutually unintelligible, or what the standard is based on/why it's the standard.

>>78202122
I might make a dialect info-graph then, as this one mainly focused on MSA.

>>78202150
Also, don't take this as discouragement, I'm just autistic like that.

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>>78202197
Yeah I just took it as feedback.
Also that info-graph doesn't contain everything because I tried meeting the file size limit.

>>78186140
this looks like Kurdish

>doing an exercise for the plurals of nouns
>literally throws all the exceptions to the rules at me
ah yes, languages

>>78199359
Well, you listed 3, like, completely different words.

"B чём жe?" (note the "ё") translates to "So in what?" or "So how?". It contains the word "чтo" in the prepositional case (which needs a preposition before the inflected nominal).

"Чeм жe" (plain "e") contains a completely different word to the effect of "With what" or "Using what" or "As what", in other words the instrumental case of "чтo".

"Чтo" is simply the nominative and accusative case form.

>>78200380
well in "proper formal" turkish, verb is supposed to come last in the sentence, but in daily life and if you arent writing a formal report or something, you can mix it up most of the time. when verb comes somewhere else other than at the end in the sentence, its called "inverted sentence" and is widely used in poems for example. in daily life people most of the time put verb at the end but its acceptable if you put verb somewhere else as well.

>>78204119
Well, adding to my post, the first two can be used in a general interrogative reply ("жe" here is like English "So what" or "what then"), but the case you use must mirror the one in the sentence, or otherwise make sense.

The third one is just like "wat" lol, kinda rude.

What's a good replacement for Lang8 since it's gone? Aldo, what are good resources/strategies for practicing writing composition in a new language?

>>78202318
Could you explain why you recommend mashriqi to germanic speakers and maghrebi to romance speakers?

>>78204611
What did Lang-8 use to have that Italki doesn't have?

>>78204736
In short:
Maghrebi dialects have been influenced greatly by Latin languages (African romance and French for Atlas Maghrebi, Italian and African romance for Libyan and Italian for Maltese).
Meanwhile Mashreq dialects have been influenced by English and Some German rooted words can be found in Lebanese because of Crusades.

>>78204417
Could you give a quick example of a conversation where you'd use them? If it's not too much trouble xoxo

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>one of the Mari newspapers' website died today
I swear the universe must be playing some sort of trick on me.

>>78207289
It's a russian crackdown.
Subscribe to a paper, maybe you can get it sent to you, physically

>>78207289
Do they just not have the five dollars to renew their domain registrations or what?

>>78207425
>maybe you can get it sent to you, physically
Unfortunately that's not really possible seeing as, I live with my parents for the time being, and my father, for reasons which I cannot comprehend, is fanatically anti-Russian, so he'd probably flip the fuck out if he saw something being regularly shipped to his house from Russia (even if it's not in Russian).

Also I doubt they'd be willing to go through the trouble of doing international shipping just for one customer.

>>78207827
So whenever you practice Mari, you hide?

>>78207630
>Do they just not have the five dollars to renew their domain registrations or what?
Either that or they're literally just forgetting

In their defense, they seem to run pretty much on skeleton staffs of mostly middle age people, so I can't fault them too much if they struggle with the more technical stuff.

>>78207827
I just realized that I used way too many commas in that post. Oops.

>>78207855
Yep

>>78207289
>>78207827
Hopefully there was just a mistake in renewing the domain so that the newspaper will be up again in a few days.

Have you tried learning other non-major languages before? You don't happen to be the leaf who knows some Cree too, or are you?

>>78207969
>Have you tried learning other non-major languages before?
No, it's my first time.

> You don't happen to be the leaf who knows some Cree too, or are you?
No, but if I remember correctly that specific leaf is an actual Cree, so it's probably much easier for him to find at least some semblance of immersion/practice.

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>Fell for the Chinese meme
>To learn other languages all you have to do is learn what words mean in your language.
>To learn Chinese you have to learn what a character looks like, what it means in your language, how to pronounce it and how to write it using latin alphabet.

I have to remember 3 times as much as you.

>>78208072
>all you have to do is learn what words mean in your language.
yeah alright lad

>>78208126
If it uses Latin alphabet you can work out how to say it. And you can read it because you already know the Latin alphabet.

I have to learn how to read it, learn how to say it, learn what it means, and learn how to type it on a latin keyboard.

>>78208297
Pinyin takes like two seconds to learn what the fuck are you on about
It uses some letters in a pretty unusual way but the system itself is 100% consistent

>>78208297
>If it uses Latin alphabet you can work out how to say it.
except plenty of languages written in the Latin alphabet have irregular or complicated spelling

Not to mention that even if the spelling is predictable, if the language has complicated rules for spelling, it'll be difficult at first to read, which is the case for example with Irish.

>>78208467
Yes but there's no way of knowing the pinyin from the character.

So if I show you the word 学校 there is no way of knowing how to say that.

Whereas if you saw the German word "Schule" you could probably work out how.

>>78208671
Learn about phonetic cues yo
Written language is a pretty arbitrary thing as it is. Just take a systematic approach to this: you won't die

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I just remember, i also have to remember what tone the character is, so that's one more thing I have to remember than anyone else learning a different language.

>>78208955
Best of luck m8. I find German pretty tricky as is, so all that extra shit would likely overwhelm me. Japanese and Chinese seem like gargantuan tasks to learn, so I hope you're enjoying it.

>>78208955
Don't think of it as remembering "different parts": just remember the sounds of the words spoken by natives and imitate them. You want to build up a good "mental voice" and eventually mental grammar in the language, and there's a lot more to that than just being able to remember "oh right that word was third tone"

>>78181287
are all of these guides as awful as the ones for chinese/japanese are?

>learning one of those two
>not using anki
basically just begging to waste hundreds of hours.

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>>78209199
>just remember the sounds of the words spoken by natives
>A Chinese person from a different city than the city who's pronunciation you have learnt comes along
>They might as well be speaking complete fucking gibberish.

>>78209417
except all the ones you care about (18-35 year old girls in cities) can speak putonghua pretty well and most of them are speaking it in their daily life with a little bit of local slang which you should probably know anyway.

>>78209504
It's not the dialect I'm talking about, people from different cities don't have consistent pronunciation even if they both speak standard Mandarin.

>>78209417
Not a problem if you're learning Mandarin. It is Mandarin you're learning, right? Anyway, if you're learning a language voluntary and presumably devoting a substantial amount of time to it voluntarily, why complain and make it sound difficult to yourself? You could ask for help on predicting regional variation and such in the Chinese thread, but instead you do this. Why?

>>78209585
I've done video/calls with people from several different places and never had a problem.

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I'm bored, ask me to pronounce stuff in your native tongue and I'll vocaroo it.

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>>78209617
I'm allowed to complain about how retarded I am for picking the hardest language in the world to learn.

I selected it for that very reason.

>>78209876
Suis-je chez ce cher Serge?

Strč prst skrz krk

>>78209876
He yнывaй, Aнoн, y тeбя вce пoлyчитcя!

>>78209940
>hardest language
japanese is harder though

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>When you join a chat room to practice your language and you realise you have nothing to say.

>>78209940
>Hardest language
>easy tier grammar
git gud

>>78210160
Why would Japanese be harder than Chinese? Japanese uses a mainly phonetic based writing system with some Kanji sprinkled in.
Japanese learners always complain about having to learn a few Kanji, to the point where a lot of people in the Japanese learning thread will type in pure hiragana and no kanji. But a chinese learner has no way of cheating, they must learn all Hanzi from day one.

tl;dr the hardest part about learning Japanese is normal for chinese learners.

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>>78210143
>google

>>78210365
>Japanese uses a mainly phonetic based writing system with some Kanji sprinkled in.

No.


>Japanese learners always complain about having to learn a few Kanji, to the point where a lot of people in the Japanese learning thread will type in pure hiragana and no kanji. But a chinese learner has no way of cheating, they must learn all Hanzi from day one.

And the people who require stuff in pure hiragana never get anywhere. The people who actually get anywhere in Japanese have to learn kanji. It's a normal part of Japanese too.

The thing though, is that kanji in Japanese are much harder than in Chinese. You know how in Chinese there are characters like 调,为,臭 where it has different readings in different words? That's every character in japanese. Those words where you have to remember whether that character is supposed to be a neutral tone? That's every word, and it actually matters in japanese.

>>78210525
You guys don't even have to learn tones.

>>78210245
but you can still read though
are you that german learning brit?

>>78210636
Tones are easy as fuck.

And actually Japanese DOES have a pitch accent and it's hidden from learners because the language is hard enough already. And it differs from region to region. Some words will be pronounced with rising intonation in tokyo and falling intonation in osaka.

>>78209941
French stuff: http://vocaroo.com/i/s1sdbfNtKGtm
Czech stuff: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0Bz7gcAJcZT

>>78210143
Russian stuff: http://vocaroo.com/i/s1fUtucZMiCm

>>78210833
You are really good at it.

>>78210791
That's called intonation. It exists in every language known to man, except monotone meme American English.

You can't class "tones" as a single entity. Tones in Chinese languages vary dramatically, even the same dialect will have drastically different tones from town to town. Not everywhere speaks "le 4 tone Mandarin," most Chinese dialects/languages have 8 or more tones. And even places that speak "standard" Mandarin, will have their own tones that again differ greatly from what you were taught or tried—but failed—to self-teach.

>>78210160
>>78210525
>>78210791
> americunt dumbducation
Firstly, Japanese grammar is as easy as it gets, really, the hardest part are topic markers, and they literally take you 1 hour to learn. So it's not much harder than Chinese, although I'd go as far as to say Chinese grammar is harder because of how UNUSUAL it is, but that's just my opinion, not a confirmed fact.
Secondly, Chinese writing system might be easier than Japanese, but not much. It's only easier because you don't have to learn Kanas in addition to your Kanji/Hanzi, BUT! You have to memorise different spellings of the same word, because literally the only thing that changes from one to another is it's tone.
And thirdly.. TONES AREN'T EASY, THEY'RE MIND-FUCKING and HARD to memrise. And instead of that "pitch-accent" in Japanese that may or may not be present in a particular sentence, Chinese always has tones and it has 4 OF THEM.

>>78208897
There are no phonetic cues in the Chinese characters. Looking at the character gives you absolutely zero information about how to say the word that the character represents.

>>78210995
>That's called intonation. It exists in every language known to man, except monotone meme American English.

Yeah, and it's easier to learn in Chinese because the tones literally tells you what it is. Were talking about *mandarin* here, not things that are essentially different languages. Things that are mutually intelligible only. Similarly I'm not talking about Okinawan when I say Japanese.

>>78211010
Why are you arguing with me when you apparently aren't good at either language?

> that "pitch-accent" in Japanese that may or may not be present in a particular sentence

It's always present, in every word, you idiot.

>>78211012
>t. I don't know fucking anything about Chinese

鲭、请、情、清、晴、箐、静、精、靖、婧、菁、睛
Hm... I wonder if there are any phonetic components...

>>78210833
The Czech is actually not bad, and your Russian accent is way better than mine.

Shit

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I'll tell you what makes Chinese the hardest language to learn:

Ok so you've learnt your 3,000 Characters (enough to class yourself as intelligent as a high school graduate in China). You can read them, say them with perfect tone yes?

Ok so now you need to learn all the quadrillion character combinations that characters to combine with to form words. 电 is the character for electric and 脑 is the character for brain. So obviously when these two characters when next to each other mean "Computer". It's SO straightforward!

But how do you know when characters combine to form a word? Since there's no spaces in Chinese how can you know when a character should be combined or when it's on it's own? You don't! You just have to know them all!

Then after you've learnt all that you start to realise you can read Chinese but still have no fucking clue what they're trying to get across because the don't think like Europeans do so don't speak like we do.

>>78211295
> and your Russian accent is way better than mine

Because Russian is my native tongue.

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>>78211338
Oh. Makes sense. I sound like a malfunctioning robot when I try to speak pyccкий

>>78211305
solution:
learn words

>>78211560
Say something.

Pronounce this, for example:
Кaк в cтaкaнe тaблeткa.
Pacтвopитcя c нaми плaнeтa.
Cплeтeния coлнeчнoгo мeткa.
Пpoнзят кoпья coлнeчнoгo cвeтa.
Mнe нaпeчeт бaшкy, я нaвepнo и впpaвдy cьeхaл.
Beдь cлышy дaжe из пoд cнeгa.
Кaк нaд нaми cмeютcя cвepхy.

>>78212128
buthowcanyoutellwhatyourereadingwheneverythingissmashedintoonesentencealsodidyouknowchinesedoesnthavepunctuationthatmakesitevenharder

>>78211305
That's why you learn words instead of getting stuck up on characters. It's nothing a bit of practice doesn't solve.

It's not like Chinese is easy though, and the first month or so while you get used to pinyin is definitely harder than the first month of Japanese.

>>78212193
yougetusedtoitjustlikeyougetusedtoitwiththisjustmakesenseofshitincontextyouplebeian

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>>78212130
no lol

>>78212193
if old dead people could do it you can too

>>78212254
No guts, no glory. C'mon, you can do it.

>>78209504
Mandarin pronunciation isn't consistant at all.

I've heard 黑 hei1 pronounced like "Hey", "Hi" and a sound like you're clearing your throat.
喝 too, I learned the "Throat clearing" version of this, but on pinyin charts it's "her"
also 很 I learnt to cough up some spit when saying this but post pinyin charts say "hun"

>>78212254
I'll do it first then, but know that my knowledge of russian is limited pretty much to the alphabet and what I picked up in Dota. Can't be much worse than that, right?
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1xf2VN7s3Rb

>>78209876
It's not my native tongue, but someone already gave you a sentence in French, so if you're still here try this instead:
>A пeш пиce, лӱддe вyйым кӱш нӧлтaлын, мapий yлмышт дeнe кyгeшнeн кyштaт. Oҥaй кӧ нyным тyныктa.

The ы is pronounced similarly to the "a" in the English word "alone".

>>78212420
Do more listening. One changed syllable shouldn't even matter because you are putting together enough hints from context.

>>78208072
You have to know what a word means and how to pronounce it when learning any language, anon. Don't be dumb. And why would you have to know how to write it in pinyin when you already know how to say it? Remembering the characters is the only different part in comparison to most languages

>>78212130
>>78212254
>>78212463

It's a rap song in Russian, but my rapping skills are just, the lowest of the low. Here's mine:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0CP3ukXnmTg
And here's the original song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJimkyKPolk

>>78212577
http://vocaroo.com/i/s15fcRG6jZsB

>>78212463
By the way, for a guy that just learned Cyrillic, that wasn't half bad. You got half of the stress marks right and it was pretty intelligible.

Hey finns, what's the difference between 'auki' and 'avoinna'?

>>78207923
How bad does you dad hate russians?

Also, you could read some articles in wikipedia. I just checked and they have articles in both western and eastern mari.

>>78212767
Only the first two lines ok
http://vocaroo.com/i/s00cKoTpUacw

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>>78212914
First sentence was 90% phonetically correct, the second one 70% correct. Preti gud, krautanon.

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>>78212767
Obviously I'm not in a position to be very critical seeing as I'm only a learner (a recent one, to boot), so do take whatever I say with a grain of salt. But from what I can tell I think it was quite decent, the only clear flaws I would point out are the letter ӧ which is supposed to be like the German ö (or like the French "eu"), and your ы's which tended to sound more like Russian ы's.

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>>78212960
thenk

>>78212744
>why would you have to know how to write it in pinyin when you already know how to say it

Some Mandarin speakers don't differentiate between Zhi, Shi, Si and Zi

>>78212833
>How bad does you dad hate russians?
Quite a lot

Don't ask me why, normally he's a pretty intelligent and very open-minded person. But for whatever he hates Russia and everything somewhat associated with Russia (for example, Serbia).

>Also, you could read some articles in wikipedia.
I actually knew about the Wiki (the one for Eastern Mari specifically) but somehow I hadn't thought about using it for reading practice. Thanks for the suggestion, Anon.

Is it better to watch the news/TV/movies with or without subtitles? I get maybe 10% of words without subtitles and usually I only recognize the word a second or two after it's said so I miss anything else after it.

>>78213133
>But for whatever
for whatever reason*

>>78213079
But can't the tell what you mean by looking at the character?

>>78213143
Subtitles aren't really all that useful if the speech is too fast. I'd suggest you look for some slow vids, to which u can add subtitles.

>>78213133
Have you ever asked him why he hates Russians so much tho?

>>78213326
Nope, some questions are better left unasked.

First posted this on a thread that died young but is anyone interested in practicing conversations in korean through skype calls

>>78212827
Also between:
*'suljettu' and 'kiinni'
*'vuoronumero', 'jonotusnumero' and 'palvelunumero'
*'rullaportaat' and 'liukuportaat'

Another question: is 'varatie' some kind of abbreviation of 'varauloskäynti'?

>>78212960
>>78212914

How can I make it 100% by the way? What are the most obvious mistakes in pronunciation?

>>78212420
People from northern China tend to use the "throat clearing" sound you're referring to more often, but people from the south usually use the same sound as English "h", if this clarifies anything.

>>78213303
>find a video with subtitles and slow it down by 40%
>it's still too fast for me to understand
I feel like a brainlet but we'll see how many views it takes to understand it.

>>78212827
Auki is usually used in a more literal sense, as in a door is open. Avoin usually is used when referring to more abstract stuff like opening hours, vacancies at a workplace, open university courses and stuff like that.
>>78213788
>'suljettu' and 'kiinni'
Can't really think of a difference here. I guess kiinni is a more casual expression
>'vuoronumero', 'jonotusnumero' and 'palvelunumero'
Vuoronumero is for when physically waiting somewhere e.g. a bank, Don't think I've ever heard anyone say 'jonotusnumero', It might be used when you're waiting for an apartment or a phone service, but usually you'd say "Olen jonossa sijalla x" (=I'm in the queue at place x). Never heard palvelunumero either, but I feel like it could be your number for some service or something, but then 'Asiakasnumero' (=customer number) is usually used
>'rullaportaat' and 'liukuportaat'
No difference
>is 'varatie' some kind of abbreviation of 'varauloskäynti'?
No, 'varatie' is a more generic expression since it could mean an alternate road, path etc. anywhere as opposed to 'varauloskäynti' which specifically means an alternate exit

>>78213882
You mean, like, without an accent? Impossible, or almost impossible. You can have correct pronounciation even with a foreign accent tho.

The mistakes were: in the first sentence you pronounced тaблeткa like тaблeткa, and the second mistake was that the first word in the second sentence was completely unintelligible. The other words are fine tho.

>>78214595
> тaблeткa like тaблeткa

LIKE тaбльeткa*! Shitty autocorrect, had to phonepost cuz I'm away from my pc yet this shit always happens when I phonepost

I'm learning Spanish, and I just started Portuguese!

I studied abroad in Costa Rica this past January. Being immersed was awesome. I stayed with an older woman who knew no English at all. Interactions were kinda awkward at times, but she was quite sweet and very funny when I could understand her. I went to a house party one night and tried to use air quotes and quickly learned that they don't use those lol. In January I am traveling to Panama to study abroad and I will actually be penalized for using English, and I need to fly and find my way to my host family's house on my own. A little nervous for that.


>>78196949
I would honestly just suggest that you read more English books. This post already looks pretty well composed, except for choosing "it is" over "it's" which isn't even incorrect in this context, just not typical of a native. On lang-8 you can submit writings and have native speakers critique them.

>>78214595
>>78214662
Yeah I meant correct pronunciation with a foreign accent, although I hope someday to speak like a native.

Thanks!

>>78213143
this>>78213303
First you could start with some informative videos, where the locutor speaks clearly and not that fast. What language are you studying anyways?

>>78214901
¿Qué tan bien hablas el español? Porque si no eres muy avanzado y empiezas a estudiar un idioma tan similar al castellano como lo es el portugués podrías empezar a entremezclar palabras y confundirte con las conjugaciones.

>>78215764

Estoy al nivel de B1...tengo debilidades en escribiendo y escuchando. Tengo miedo sobre eso, y las palabras similares. Para mi la problema es confundiendo los acentos/la pronunciacion.

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So I am just starting out. I plan on learning French, German, and Japanese at the same time. I took about 5 years of French in high school and college, which ended two years ago, so I have some background in that.

I plan on using Duolingo, Memrise, Anki, for all three. Plus a grammar book for each, Assimil for French and German, Genki for Japanese.

Is this a decent plan to start with?

Learning 日本語 like a weeb. What am I in for lads?

>>78216073
>Is this a decent plan to start with?
No

Pick one. Even two languages at the same time is not recommended, three is simply a really bad idea.

>>78216073
Get to C1 French before starting another.
t. B1-B2 French

>>78192499
>do you know how close is Polish to Russian

As much close as German to English. Some words look similar but overall completely different languages.

>>78211205
This. I don't know anything about Chinese and even I know what radicals are

>>78215948
"Estoy en el nivel B1...tengo debilidades escribiendo y escuchando. Tengo miedo de eso, y de las palabras similares. Para mí el problema es confundir los acentos/la pronunciación."

Sí, eso también. Mi consejo es que trates de llegar a un nivel más avanzado en el español (B2 o un poco más) hasta el punto en que tengas naturalizado las conjugaciones y no tengas mucho problema componiendo textos.

>>78216073
That's extremely hard to achieve and in the long-term it would be faster to learn them separately. That's just too much to memorize and you'd have to spend like three hours a day studying and practicing.

I didn't find memrise that good. I personally would use just anki instead of that. And as for doulingo, it will be helpful until you pass a A2 level, from then onwards it won't be that useful.

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I have been learning English for 1 year , but I feel very difficult English grammar.
I wanna be cry............

Learning:
Spanish
Farsi

Learning the alphabet was way easier than I had thought it would be, now it's time to learn the actual language. For some reason I'm having issues distinguishing the 2 "a" sounds in the language

>>78216580
It's okay. We all secretly cry.

>>78216601
Talking about Farsi if it wasn't clear

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>>78216611
Understood.........

>I have been learning English for 1 year
good
>but I feel very difficult English grammar
but I feel that English grammar is very difficult
>I wanna be cry
I wanna cry

>>78216580
English grammar is hard, mate. Don't feel bad. Try reading some English literature to help with it.

>>78216580
>>78216712
Is this some sort of joke or do all Japanese men speak in a cute format

>>78216748
I always read Yahoo news in the USA,the UK.
I learn English ,because I wanna know news.

>>78216831
Cute?

>>78216831
Yeah I can never tell if they're meme-ing or not.

>>78216891
Try reading some books. Do you have a favorite author? See if they have English translations. Reading books can help with grammar

>>78217103
>author
I haven't it.

My hobby is "Programming" ,so I usually read docmentation.

I'm reading Yahoo news in (of ??) the USA ver.

>>78217224
I'm reading the US version of Yahoo news.*

>>78217299
Uh...
Difficult.....

Thanks!

>>78182049
dude this is a language board on int what do you want

>>78216073
I know it's tempting to learn everything at once, but juggling new vocab and grammar at the same time will hurt your ability to pick anything up.

If you're smart about it, you can maybe pull off two, but that's still not easy and it'll slow your progress in both.

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>the dictionary website (along with the metric fuckton of ressources it has) is now starting to fail
>mfw
Why is God so vehemently opposed to me trying to learn Mari?

>>78216580
Let me at least help you fix up your post.

>I have been learning English for 1 year,
This part is fine
>but I feel very difficult English grammar.
This part makes no sense, you probably meant to say
>but English grammar is very difficult
or
>but I feel that English grammar is very difficult

and
>I wanna be cry
should be reworded to
>I wanna cry
as "be" isn't necessary here.

Nais ko lang sabihin na marangal at nakahahanga ang ginagawa ninyo: na kayo ay nagtulong-tulungan at namamahagi upang matutunan ng kapwa ang iba't ibang wika ng daigdig, mangyari ba nang para sa hanapbuhay, sa mga aralin, sa pag-unlad man ng sariling dunong, o kahit sa anumang dahilan.

Mahal ko kayong lahat, at huwag na huwag kayong titigil. Magandang araw at maraming salamat!

>>78219205
yes we all obviously can read this post in Filipino easily

If you want to get a point across, say it in a language that most people in this thread understand.

Here's the translated post from google translate:

>"I just want to say that noble and wonderful is what you do: that you are helping and distributing to learn the different languages of the world, whether for business, in lessons, in the development of Own know-how, or even for any reason.
>I love you all, and do not stop. Good day and lots of thanks!"

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It's damn hard to keep motivating myself for language learning. What do?

>>78219245
Haha, yeah. I wanted to leave a motivational "easter egg", so to speak; nothing important. That and I actually forgot that the post was half-done, i.e., no translation. Oops.

Regardless, that translation is surprisingly pretty good; not perfect, but much better than what one would normally expect.

>>78219028
It's a sign for you to move to where ever there's a large population of Mari speakers and settle down, get a nice Mari wifu, broaden the gene pool, maybe order a coffee in your weird russian grass fucker speak
I believe in you anon, I know God does!

>>78219340
What lang? English? If it's English, just remember that in the modern world, if you don't speak English -- you're missing out all the fun.

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>>78219365
English and German. I decided to keep learning them during this summer break, but I haven't done anything yet really.

>>78191097

All languages do is talk about shit in the past, present. and future,

Are you smart enough to do that? I'd be willing to bet you are.

The trick is to not let yourself get frustrated. If you don't understand something, put down the books and do something else. Keep thinking about what it is you don't get.

It's not going to be easy, but it's yours if you want to put in the work.

>>78213133
What about rutracker? Maybe they have some monthly Mari magazines scanned in and uploaded?

>>78216073
>3 at the same time
>one of the hardest languages to learn (no arguing)
Good luck
Learn at most two at the same time, spending 80% on the hardest language.

Further reading, almost a must
http://www.thepolyglotdream.com/learning-more-than-one-language-at-the-same-time/

>>78217159
Hey, you learned from last time when you wrote 'documents'!

>>78219028
Send an email to the Vienna university? Or what place was it where they offered the Mari course?
Maybe they can help you, give you some good online radio stations and news websites.

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>Spoken Chinese is so hard to understand that most Chinese media will have Subtitles

This is the language I've chosen to learn.

Anyone here who is learning/has learned a Celtic language?

>>78220595
Fuggggg is that really true xDDDD

So, I shouldn't learn both English (B1) and Japanese at the same time?

>>78223238
It will probably be very confusing for you

>>78220595
>Dutch tv subtitles when a Belgian Flemish speaker appears

http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading/Literature_by_origin
If you want some foreign literature, though quite Eurocentric

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I'm confused whether I want to learn German or not, I have no big motivation (at this point I'd rather learn Japanese from scratch), no media that I would consume with pleasure, no driving force.
Only reasons I'd like to learn it at alright lvl are as as follows:
>I've already went like half-way with German and it feels like a waste not to finish it to acceptable lvl
>it could be practical and helpful since I live nearby in Europe, so if I went anywhere into German-speaking countries it would be WAY easier

Anyone in the same situation? Maybe you could recommend me some quality input in German that I could use? It honestly seems so pointless, I have fun with Japanese, even though I would hardly use it in real life, but German is more down to earth in my case but still there's no kindling to learning any more.

>>78228165
This.

I've always liked how German sounds and the germans I've met were pretty ok, but it's not like I watch shows in german, or read a lot of Science publications/books etc. And the only music I listen to in German's Rammstein and some Akrea (as a kid).

>>78228355
Learning the language seems pointless since you already speak English. Maybe they are too close to each other, maybe there's not enough variety - so even though these are closer and thus easier to learn, they aren't as exciting as learning a language with different script (Russian) or different mindset (Japanese).

And there's only that much Rammstein you can listen to and not get bored with it...
I'm at the point when I built pretty solid fundamentals of grammar and vocab and to proceed there's only one way - to consume German media i.e. books, music etc., and I simply don't have any interest in doing it beside progressing with my language, but it shouldn't be a goal within itself, learning language should be at least a bit of fun for it to stick and go smooth.

>>78215764
French

>>78228165
You can watch free german TV on Astra satellite for oral comprehension.
Don't skimp on grammar, though; this is of primary importance for german.

There are tons of good reading material in german.

I don't think german is _that_ hard, at school we were forced to learn the declensions in tables, but I think it's easier to learn by heart some easy and short phrases to have the words and endings in context.

Since you have, like me, more chances to be able to converse in german than in japanese, I would advice you to concentrate on german.

Who know, maybe one day in the future they will try once more to extend their Lebensraum and it will prove handy...

>>78228549
I'm in that situation with both German and French (Also Latin, if that counts).
I'd really like to learn French to watch some French shows I like (2 of them to be precise) but it really is the only reason.

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>>78228757
Well, the 2 shows might be enough of a motivation. I got interested in Japanese because of shows (not animee) and music that I liked and then I got interested in the exoticness and different approach to learning the language. So on top of learning it I could understand some of my song titles, shows etc. Pretty fun thing, but I halted it in order to make up my mind whether I still want to learn it or give it up for German, hence my predicament.

Good luck in your endevours! I'd sure install me some Italian 101 in my mind like in Matrix if I could, I'm particularly fond of the giallo genre in Italian cinema.
Sorry for sounding like a creepy neckbeard virgin with that last one.

Is Pimsleur (Italian) outdated? It's telling me different things to Google Translate and Duolingo.

>>78231192
I don't think it could be outdated, languages don't change that fast

>>78219811
That's a good idea, I'll try to see what I can find.

>>78220009
Actually it was the university's website which was failing yesterday, but it seems fine now.

Anyway, I think it would be fruitless since I think I've already found every online source available. I just have to hope that they fix their sites.

>>78181146
I couldn't find any Latin audiobooks on TPB. Halp pls. Does anyone here is even learning Latin at all?

>>78235748
Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata and Assimil Latin are all you need before moving on to Commentari

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I used to hate my native language but knowing it has actually helped with pronouncing french words properly since the pronunciations are similar in some areas.

>>78236377
Why do so many Danish hate their language? I've heard a lot of germanics say it's horrible but I personally think it sounds fine.

>>78236662
The language makes Danish women sound like drunken orcs.

>>78236662
needlessly complicated pronunciations makes it sound really retarded. I think swedish or norwegian is better.

>>78236759
That simply isn't true. I've seen the Amazing World of Gumball and Mrs. Watterson in that show talked normally. Although I'd say Danish sounds like a softer version of German.

>>78236071
I have found Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata. Thanks senpai.

>>78236377
I still hate my language for making me think that words should sound just like they are written and like they are pronounced in alphabet. Now I always get autistically mad at other languages which are difficult to learn from books because they sound totally different than in written words.

[spoiler]Feel free to correct me. http://conjugator.reverso.net/conjugation-english-verb-write.html[/spoiler]

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A great debate: who is /ourguy/? Who did it better? They've made videos on vastly different topics, so I've picked the Japanese/Chinese hieroglyphs where you can see how they tackled this topic.
NativLang:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF3MRMBjd20
or Langfocus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHC3i6N9Wvk

>>78214472
Thanks. I noticed you typed 'avoin' instead of 'avoinna', is there a difference?

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le finno-ugric face

I'm curious, for those who speak a Finno-Ugric language (or any other agglutinating language), how does pic related compare to your language?

>>78237348
I speak Polish and my list is more 'impressive'

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>>78237570
How big are we talking about?

>>78237338
It's hard to compare the two since their videos tend to cover very different topics, as you said. NativLang talks a lot more about linguistics in general (for example, historical linguistics, psycholinguistics, etc.), whereas Paul (who is clearly /ourguy/, by the way) is really more focused on the languages themselves.

I guess I prefer NativLang since the topics he covers are really interesting sometimes (though there are times when I wish he didn't take such an opiniated approach in some of his videos).

>>78237339
Avoin is the base word, avoinna is it in the essive case (I think).
https://fi.wiktionary.org/wiki/Liite:Adjektiivitaivutus/suomi/avoin It seems in here it is listed as avoimena, but it is the same. I think avoinna might be a bit more archaic but I still see it widely used or it is a dialect thing possibly. Why finnish btw?
>>78237348
More or less the same on a quick glance I think. If that simultaneous action is the same as -ing in english then we don't have that.

>>78237570
BIG
POLISH
LISTS

In all seriousness though, I hadn't realized it when I posted that image, but they included all verb conjugations in that list, so in reality it's true that it's probably not that impressive compared to many languages when you remove those.

>>78237203
Def try to get yr hands on Assimil as well if you want to build up a good "Latin voice." Lingua Latina > Lingua Latina II > Commentari > Wherever alone is good enough for reading.

>>78237348
what good could possibly be achieved from this

>>78237750
I want to learn a non-indo european language.

>>78237754
definitely, it's all suffixes in Russian regardless of role they fulfill within the language - whether for verbs, nouns, pronouns or whatever

>>78237675
can't find a similar list
I was told that Polish has more suffixes than Russian by a credible slavic source, but I wouldn't give my arm for it

>>78237338
lmao he's so butthurt

Not sure the way he phrased his answer is the smartest move if he cares so much about subscribers and views and reputation

>>78237348
Spanish might have more if you account for ar vs or/er

>spending time on practising spoken language

/int/ hasn't been AJATT redpilled yet, apparently

baka, I would've updated the wiki sticky with newer learning technologies, but I'm still in the process of learning them so I cannot really do it with full confidence - albeit I feel already they are better than the common way it is done

>>78237820
The list he posted isn't even Russian dude, wtf? Also, I think the amount of suffixes is the same, from what I've seen from Polish and Russian "muh" posters on /int/.

>>78237765
from what I can tell, a whole lot of those allow for quite a bit of nuancing

For example, the difference between "muraš" (to sing) and "muralaš" (also "to sing") would be that the former is a very general word, while the latter implies that it's taking place at one moment in time, i.e. that it's a momentary verb, and could therefore be translated to something like "to sing a bit" or "to sing right now".

>>78237693
But Paul has also given (in my opinion, very useful) tips on learning languages in general in this series of videos:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpw_A6Onkjc6SujUbD-D6IBP897C3o64V