>His country uses 24-hour military time

Americans don't believe that there are 24 hours in a day?

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>here you can use both formats
>americans can't

are yanks retarded?

>>78151816
lmao this
why the fuck would someone say 5 minutes past 8 when they could just say 20:05?

>be american
>can't count numbers over 12

>>78151625
>military time

>>78151882
poetic question i assume

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>his country uses the IMPERIAL system
oh gosh, please tell me this is a joke

>>78151892
We say 8 instead of 20, I just don't understand what is a '24 hours military time'.

>>78151625
>his country counts distance in pickles

>>78151981
anon there are 24 hours in a day, wouldn't it be logical to use 24 hour clock then?

>>78151981
8:00 -> 8am
20:00 ->8pm

here we'd use just "8" to say 8 in the evening if talking with friends or casually, official stuff would say 20:00 though, for the sake of clarity

>>78152021
Yes, I know, the same here ffs. What the fuck is military time?

>>78152098
amerilards only use 24 hours format for military stuff because it would be too hard for your average civilian to figure out how that works

>>78152155
So by military time he meant 'not pm/am'?

>>78152449
they actually do

>>78151625
we say 5 de la tarde or 5 de la mañana, we only use it when writing, like 17:00 or 5:00

>>78151892
Because in English, most numbers 1-12 are monosyllabic and most numbers 13-24 aren't.

One two three four five six eight nine ten twelve are all mono, seven eleven aren't.

Every number 13-24 is at least two syllables, sometimes even three (seventeen).

That is the reason.

>>78152670
Makes sense. But then why would anglos choose to do that? In Swedish we can pronounce basically all of our numbers clearly quite fast. Why are yours so unwieldy?

>>78152738
>Why are yours so unwieldy?
No clue, it's been like this at least since Old English 1500 years ago

ān- one
twā - two
þrīe - three
fēower - four
fīf - five
seox, six - six
seofon - seven
eahta - eight
nigon - nine
tīen - ten
endleofon - eleven
twelf - twelve
þrēotīne - thirteen
fēowertīne - fourteen
fīftīne - fifteen
sixtīne- sixteen
seofontīne - seventeen
eahtatīne - eighteen
nigontīne - nineteen
twentiġ - twenty
twentiġān- twentyone
twentiġtwā - twentytwo
twentiġþrīe - twentythree
twentiġfēower - twentyfour

>>78152670
because it's too long? how is 4-6 syllables long?

>>78152883
>how is 4-6 syllables long?
When it can be 1 syllable, it's long. That's how language works bro

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>Americans are too stupid to understand military time

>>78152921
well i guess it's relative to average word length
here most words are 2-3 syllables so viis-sataa-kolkyt-yheksä "539" (8 syllables) is short compared to viisi-sataa-kolme-kymmentä-yhdeksän "539" (12 syllables)

>>78151625
t. american to dumb to remember there are 24 hours in a day.

>>78152833
Most of those are one or two syllables. People don't realise that "Beowulf" only has two syllables.

I use 24 hour time on my phone and computer and laptop and such

>>78152670
That actually makes sense.
But we quite frequently say for example it's 4 instead of 16, but we always write in 24 hours system.

>>78151920
The sun never sets on the British Imperial System thanks to its loyal American subjects.

>military time
You cant be THIS fucking stupid

>>78151625
We actually use both. For informal purposes, i.e. when just talking the 12h system (without use of pm and am however) is used. If someone ask me what time it is, I'd say 9 instead of 21:00.
For more formal or where accuracy is required I we use the 24h system. So for instance if you're inviting people to some activity you'd usually write 21:00 not 9. All digital times are also in the 24h system. I use English on all my devices but I find the 12h system on digital devices to be supremely annoying.

>americans are too fat to use numbers over 12

>>78151625
How many hours in a day are there? 12? If no then fuck off.

AM PM is a pretty dumb system desu

we just say "I'll go to sleep at eleven" and people understand you obviously mean in the evening, no need to add a PM there.

on the off chance it's unclear you can just ask "in the evening?" for confirmation

>>78152155
>>78152098
Technically military time is like
0300
"oh three hundred"
etc.
But it's also the only place where americans have seen a 24 hour clock so they think the rest of the world uses military time.
>>78152670
But saying "pii em" or "ei em" adds two syllables as well.

>>78155741
>AM PM is a pretty dumb system desu

it's perfectly fine, we're humans not some sort of robots. Not everything needs to be as efficient as possible

>>78155589
>We actually use both. For informal purposes, i.e. when just talking the 12h system (without use of pm and am however) is used. If someone ask me what time it is, I'd say 9 instead of 21:00.
Used to be like this, but with the prevalence of digital clocks these days it's clearly changing. I never owned an analogue clock (born 1990) and I always just say the 24 hour time and have noticed it's become increasingly common.

"Monelta juna tulee?"
"Kaksyks"
"What time does the train arrive"
"21"

>>78155769
>not everything needs to be as efficient as possible
>go out of your way to make things more difficult
see you're a dumb fucking burger so I'll try to make this clear. it only seems more """human""" or """easy""" to you because that's what you're used to. it's not inherently so.

counting 24 hour days in 12 hours is in no objective way easier or more convenient to do, it's just a bad habit you have.

>>78155741
>that one anon that went to a work interview at 2 am instead of 2 pm

>>78155836
how is that going of our way to be difficult? Maybe it is an issue up past the arctic circle where one can wake up out of a drunken stupor and both 8 o'clocks look exactly the same, but it isn't here. Let me ask you, why does this need to be changed? You're like a French Republican trying to rename the months

It's thirteen past half twelve pm.

>HELLO THIS IS CHARLIE HORATIO ALPHA DELTA AND THE TIME IS TWENTY ONE HUNDRED I AM REQUESTING WARM MILK PROVISIONS BE DELIVERED STAT, DO YOU COPY OVER
t. average euro child going to bed

>>78155911
Are you seriously asking me how using a base 24 measuring system with only 12 numbers is going out of your way to be more difficult?
When you count to ten, would it be easier to just use five numbers twice? No, it would be making a simple system more complicated for absolutely no reason.
>why does this need to be changed
See this is your burger problem. We don't need to change anything, we're already in the logical and superior system.
>You're like a French Republican trying to rename the months
Renaming is arbitrary. More like the french who invented the metric system that's used universally everywhere except for dumb burgers (and this time it's literal, since burger scientists use the metric system as well) because IT'S BETTER.

It's like ripping off a band-aid or something. Just do it once and it'll permanently improve the life quality of you and your children and their children. Burgers are just afraid of change because they've been scared shitless of it by their puritan roots.

Why aren't metricfaggots using decimal time?

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>>78155853
>>that one anon that went to a work interview at 2 am instead of 2 pm
thats funny
i'm gonna miss this place when im older

>>78155911
>expressions of time only serve to tell the current time

>>78155945
It's twenty one hours. OH GOSH ANON HAVE YOU BEEN IN THE MILITARY HOW DO YOU KNOW SUCH THINGS?!

>>78156041
You won't because you'll still be here and hate yourself for it.

>his cunt doesn't use metric system
lol

>>78156065
i dont know about you but i wont be staying here forever

>>78155991
if you've ever built anything by hand you'd know metric is shit and imperial is better. I don't care what scientists use to measure the undercarriage schlong of a space shuttle, Aarni

We do measure for twenty-four hours, it's called AM and PM and it works perfectly fine. It's not my problem Euro's want to get rid of every shred of culture and identity they have until you exist in a bland, socialist and atheistic society

>It's another continental Europeans acting smug over their arbitrarily different way of doing things episode.

>>78156100
>if you've ever built anything by hand you'd know metric is shit and imperial is better.

Look I'm fond of the imperial system but this is untrue. How is measuring things in 1/2^n of an inch any better than using millimetres?

>>78156097
haha I told myself that once

>>78156187
12 is divisible by 2, 3, 4, 6
10 is divisible by 2, 5

>>78156100
>if you've ever built anything by hand you'd know metric is shit and imperial is better.
im a machinist and metric is way more efficient. literally no point in having to calculate measurs in arbitary base 12 and 8 when you can just put everything in decimal system.

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>using ""0"" PM

>>78156100
>if you've ever built anything by hand you'd know metric is shit and imperial is better.
This meme again. I've attended American shop class, I know all about it and how it's a logical loop that makes absolutely no sense unless you want to believe it.
>We do measure for twenty-four hours, it's called AM and PM and it works perfectly fine.
No, it's functional. That doesn't mean it works perfectly fine.

Going to the store and asking for 5+2 bananas is also functional but everyone would consider it an unnecessary inconvenience.

>>78156231
yeah but finns are autistic

>>78156187
Neither really makes a difference, but half an inch corresponds to something meaningful while a millimetre simply doesn't mean anything to me. I can guesstimate how much I'll need in inches or feet, but anything smaller than a metre and I'll draw a blank. Although I can concede that might be just a personal issue.
It's also much easier to divide and tally up without any faffing with decimals.

>>78156322
It's a personal issue.
>It's also much easier to divide and tally up without any faffing with decimals.
Literally what? Fractions are fucking cancer to use if trying to do calculations in your head. With decimals you can just add everything up and it always comes out perfect. There's only one of them, you don't need to convert 4/6th and 5/8th to a third scale to know how long they're combined.

>>78156234
This is just a fact. It doesn't explain how imperial is better.

>>78156322
The metric system is based on the properties of water (the size, temperature etc).

But in real life you can also measure meters for example by taking big steps. Or use your fingers are a reference for centimeters. But if you are used to it you can just guess it. Most people know how long a 30 cm ruler which they had in school is.

>>78156100
This bullshit. Base 10 is objectively easier and you'd only say something this stupid because you've grown up with imperial and metric is alien to you. You would be saying the same thing about a number system based on, I don't know, e or pi, because it's intuitive.

But once you've used metric you realize how stupid and antiquated imperial is.

>t. engineer who has built and is currently building AGVs

>>78156431
The metre isn't based on water, it was originally based on one ten-millionth of the distance from the equator to the North Pole (that they calculated wrong anyway)

>>78156478
1000 liter of water is 1 cubic meter.

>>78156478
They didn't miscalculate, they just didn't know to account for the inconsistencies in the shape of the earth. Back then it was thought earth was a perfect sphere.

These days it's based on the helium atom or some shit, who cares, it's a nice convenient lenght you can measure with your arms or your feet.

>>78156548
>They didn't miscalculate
>They just got it wrong
Metricfags are unreal

>>78156517
It becomes a gas at 100 degrees celsius and solid at 0 degrees.

Its easy to remember.

>>78156517
That's true but it's derived from what he said. The litre is 10cm3. But they had to know what a centimeter is to invent a liter. Meters came first.
>>78156600
Dumbest excuse I've heard so far for not using the metric system, congratulations you beat the burgers.

>>78156613
litre is 1 dm3 so 1000cm3, not 10

>>78151625
>>>78151907 >>78152010 >>78152634 >>78153114 >>78155589 >>78155721
>his country doesn't have conscription
lmaoing at you're a lifes

It's a bit chilly outside. Is it going to freeze?

Well, it's below 0 degrees.

>>78156644
Yeah sorry I fooled myself by first writing 10cm on each side then just going with the 3
>>78156655
>Finland doesn't have conscription
what did he mean by this?

we use the am/pm when speaking

"son las cinco" (it's five) instead of "son las diecisiete"

but when written, 24h is the one that makes sense

17:00 is by far superior

I was in a Japanese train station, and all the times were in 24hr format. But the clock, it was a 12hr clock.

MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MIND.

Time doesn't really matter when you live above the arctic circle. It's either always dark (winter) or always daylight (summer).
It's gonna be as bright outside at midnight tonight as it is right now during the day.
So I work at night, cooler outside then.

>>78156726
I know this might come as a shock to you but most people have friends they set up appointments with. Time isn't only used to gauge the amount of sunlight.

>>78151625
Do Americans not have the 24-hour time format at airports, train stations, bus stops etc? I understand not using it in speech, but it's extremely useful for giving precise times.

>>78155945
>HORATIO
>not HOTEL
>using NATO alphabet and not your local one

>>78156755
But my friends act the same as me.
Several of them have switched to working nights instead just like me. My boss doesn't even care when I get there as long as I finish my tasks in time.
And last night at around 02:00 there was a big beach party with families and kids etc down by the lake.
Time simply doesn't matter that much.

>>78156833
Oh I do it too, I always go to the gym at night because it's empty, the air is fresh and I have all the equipment to myself.

But what you're trying to say is "the time of day doesn't matter" not "time". If you tell your friends to meet you at 2130 then show up at 0400 do you say "oh well it's the same amount of light xD"

>>78156818
better yet don't use the alphabets or anything at all to clarify.
That way the misunderstanding can occur and more time can be bludged, might even get overtime

>>78156935
I know what you mean hehe.

>>78156100
>ah yes I want a 5/8 inch screw and 2 4/9 inch bolts

>>78156394
>>78156440
>>78156431
He's probably a kid who has never had to do unit conversions, like force/mass over time into work or something similar. He's never had to covert 64ths of an inch into something meaningful, or ounce-inches into foot-pounds.

>>78156655
>thailand doesn't have conscription
what did he mean by this?

>>78156680
civil service

>>78157248
lottery

>>78155813
Strangely enough I never hear anyone use military time in day-to-day usage. If you're inviting someone over for dinner at 8, you don't say 20:00 because most people (unlike the previous Swede) knows you don't have dinner in the morning.

And when asking for the time, I'd say ''Kvart i fyra'' or ''quarter to four'' and not 15:45

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>>78151625
fuck amuricum and their shitty snowflake systems
getting an engineering degree would be 10 times easier if it wasn't for your stupid shit

>>78157333
It varies by context. If someone asked "what time does the dinner party start" I could imagine saying "at eight" but I would never ever use "half to" "half past" "quarter to" etc.
If the party starts half past seven it's 19.30. Speaking or writing or in any context. Most finns do this, at least under the age of 40.

>>78157222
If you can't handle fractions then maybe you aren't cut out for your line of work.

>>78157444
Interesting, did you ever have sex with a mermaid?

>>78151625
>his country calls 24 hour time military time and considers it weird

just collapse already, meme-country

>>78157493
I wish.

I do sometimes use "quarter to" but that's only in context where the entire time doesn't need stating. Like say we're waiting for a game to start and someone asks the time, I might answer "quarter to". But if I need to state the hours I'd use 24 hours.

>>78156655
I thought Singaporeans are supposed to be smart?

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>his country doesnt understand microwave time

>>78157604
I don't know. It seems a bit sad to me, almost like you're losing that personal touch.

>>78157689
I mean I kinda understand what you're saying. If I was writing a novel it would give a different tone to the sentence.
However it's just so fucking convenient I don't care. You just say the numbers like you were reading a digital clock and that's it, no confusion.

>>78157906
I forgot burgers probably have 12 hour digital clocks too LMAO but you get the point.

>>78157604
Maybe it's just a language difference. "Nitton fyrtiofem" is more cumbersome than "kvart i åtta".

>>78157952
It is the same in Finnish, I admit, but the trouble of looking at a clock then converting it to burger time is bigger than the effort to pronounce an extra syllable or two.

>>78151625
>Tfw we don't actually use military time in the EU.

I personally would think that would be pretty cool, but then again I am a autist.

>>78152670
In Germany this is the case too.
Still, that only explains it for casual use, not the retarded am/pm bullshit

>>78157906
In the end you'll end up speaking newspeak because it's more efficient.
Doubleplusgood!

>>78158146
It's not like there was anything wrong with newspeak had they not try to ban other speech.

>>78158246
Newspeak was designed to limit free thought.
Sounds bad to me desu.

>>78158331
Yeah but only because it replaced old speech.

>>78158360
Yeah, it was the partys way of controlling peoples thoughts not only their actions.

Not great.

>>78158399
But the entire point was how practical and efficient newspeak was (even if it really wasn't in the book). That's how they could justify moving to it. Limiting the range of expression was a "side effect" even if it truly was the main intention.

If you didn't prohibit old speech and just added in a bunch of extremely efficient newspeak expressions I don't see any problem with it. I'd welcome it. KHRMlikebuttonKRHM

i think the main reason we still use 12 hour time is because that is how analogue clocks show it. 100% every classroom in america has an analogue clock on the wall and an important part of primary school is students learning how to read it

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I want military time in Canada. We aren't Murricans, we can count over 12.

>>78158510
Efficiency wasn't really what they were after.
>In George Orwell's world of Nineteen Eighty-Four, Newspeak is a controlled language, of restricted grammar and limited vocabulary, a linguistic design meant to limit the freedom of thought—personal identity, self-expression, free will—that ideologically threatens the régime of Big Brother and the Party, who thus criminalised such concepts as thoughtcrime, contradictions of Ingsoc orthodoxy

>>78158693
But you can still read military time from analogue clocks? its just 12 + whatever during evenings

>>78158795
yes you can, but why
usually there is a window and you can see

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>>78158693

>>78158767
Obviously I understand that, but in the book all of that is explained either by Winston or O'brien who are both "in on it". That wasn't the official explanation given by the state, they still keep up appearances in the book. The official reasoning was that it was more efficient, which it (within the books logic) was. That's how they got people to welcome the change that with it limited the range of expression and ultimately thought.

It's like feeding medicine to a kid by putting it inside something tasty. You don't say HERE TAKE THIS STRAWBERRY IM ONLY GIVING IT TO YOU BECAUSE THERE'S COLD MEDICINE INSIDE you say "here take this yummy strawberry".

Yes, and?
Plz dont punch a Slav, he will punch back.

>Hes not using time in binary system

>>78152670
They don't say the numbers from 13-24 on countries that use a 24 hour clock, they just use 1-12 again.

>>78157291
>not choosing who is conscripted via lottery
lmaoing at your life

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>this entire FUCKING thread
/int/ never ceases to amaze me

>>78160094
Yes we do retard that's why it's called a 24 hour clock.
All countries have 24 hours in a day, if you use 1-12 twice you use a 12 hour clock.

>>78157291
>Conscription, or drafting, is the compulsory enlistment of people in a national service, most often a military service.
Literally all it took was the first sentence on wikipedia. Civil service counts as conscription just as much as military service does.

>>78157393
metric system was invented after imperial system, we just never changed

>>78151625
Lol