When will the US STOP BULLY South America already?

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>>78124588

Well they haven't intervened with us yet, maybe you should burn down the white house at least once.

There is nothing wrong with killing communists.

The problem is how it was executed.

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>>78124605

>>78124605

Nothing of value was lost. The biggest mistake was not killing them all.

it's because of

>>78124669
>>78124636

we are only an instrument of their own ideological conflicts as more of those people use us to kill in their name more of the poor will rise and try to regain their dignity and more of them will try to use to to stomp on the poor

if there is aggression in south america they will never be free of us

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>>78124746
>use to to
use us to*

>>78124588

The biggest mistake of CIA: Amateur job. They let many communists alive. Now you have FARC, Lula, Bachelet, Maduro and many communist scum alive.

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>>78124755

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>>78124588
>2002 US backed coup against Chavez
stop spouting bullshit like this you goddamn commie

>>78124804
Shut your mouth macaco

>>78124588
They are our true enemies

>>78124987

Shut up my ass. Communists almost ruined my country. Fuck off.

>>78124878
>posting an infographic meant to "redpill" hamburgers in fucking spanish.

>>78124588

Uhmmm... OP?

Did you know that Telesur is venezuelan and a pro-socialist media?

It's the same shit as RT, Ria Novosky, Sputnik News, etc.

Check all that shit they sell:

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/

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>>78125075
Can one of you beaners please post that wiki list of US trickery that sometimes floats around here.

For future refference

>>78125254
>>78124804
>>78124669
>>78124636
Since when any South American country was communist?

>>78124804
The CIA are nowhere near as skilled and competent as Noam Chomsky fags think they are. If they were, Fidel Castro would have been bumped off in 1963.

>>78124588
there's U.S soldiers in mexico right now?

>>78124746
ah yes that is why you needed to bring an aircraft carrier here. You were clearly neutral all along. Also it's not that there are recordings of you president giving an ok to coup any South American country

>>78125931
Also Colombia and Peru. Basically the biggest anti-Venezuela, Alianza del Pacifica, US puppets states

If you are weak and cannot stand up for yourself then you have only yourself to blame.

>>78124588
we don't want commies in our country

The US made us a favour in 2009 when they kicked that commie out of here

>>78125964
Peru hate commies because of what happened with Juan Alvarado in the 70s. He almost burned the country to the ground with his attempt at Soviet-style economic planning and buying a ginormous amount of weapons for a war of revenge on Chile (remember 1881!). Thankfully the army couped him before it was too late.

>>78124588
Kill all commies

>>78126006
Ah yes, now you can see Peru is one of the most rich countries in South America, along with Chile and Colombia!

>>78125970
not really, the ones that conspires is to blame

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>mfw the gringo was the good guy all along
i-im s-sorry?

>>78126098
>said no argentine ever

>>78125970
>kills your family, friends and rob all of your money
>lmao you are to blame for being weak

>>78124804
The dictatorship missed Dilma back in the day. Idiots.

>>78124878
>1981
>the British Empire invaded the Argentinian Malvinas
heh, that's wrong tho

>>78126122
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch?

>>78126251
Stop using a VPN, you can't fool anyone

>>78126251
I'LL

>>78126249
More like the junta was losing popular support and figured they could start a war to rally the nation around them. They gambled and lost.

But then again, Thatcher also used the war to bolster her sagging poll numbers, so...

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>le goomies ruined muh cuntt!!1!
>anything left from ultra conservative is basically marx himself!!!
>meanwhile, only very few Latam cunts ever had an actual communist executive/legislative, and there's actual proof of CIA actively sabotaging, staging coups and actively supporting terrorist groups in every country south of the Rio Grande

>>78125876
Go back to school

>>78126328
Teach me then

>>78126350
Google

>>78124878
Holy shit this picture is 10/10 bait

>>78126454
how

Reminds me of when they asked the Polish mercenary what it feels like to take human life and he replied "I wouldn't know. I've only killed communists."

americans are scum

>>78126467
>The brits invaded the falklands
>Chavez and Maduro are good bois
>Santa cruz independence movements are US backed and not just mestizos tired of aymaras
>Dilma was impeached thanks to the USA
Probably more but I dont know much about non neighbor countries

>>78125876
Happening right now north of us.

>>78126546
>Santa cruz independence movements are US backed and not just mestizos tired of aymaras
hey, it depends, there's a reason why the andinia plan is a thing

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>>78124588
US troops currently in the ground? In Mexico?

>right-wing dictactorship is better than left-wing dictactorship
When will this meme end?

>>78126546
The Dilma one physically hurted me

>>78124588
Which dirty Latin American country is the worst?

>>78126583
We should be the ones who understand the desire of living in a separate country from aymaras the most

>>78126676
Yes, you can live in Cuba with your two hours of electricity a day, empty store shelves, and rusting 1950s Pontiacs.

>>78126376
So you can't even write from the top of your head one time in South America which we became communist yet you claim with such vehemence? I don't believe you and nobody should believe in you

>>78126571
Still not communist, people still are entitled to the private propriety and it still isn't a full-blown dictatorship. That can change tho

>>78126742
Go back to school

>>78126696
Bolivia or one of those literal-who from Central America.

>>78126727
>do you prefer to be kicked in the face or in the crotch?

>>78124987

El CoMuNaChOoOoo

>>78126783
Teach me if you are so enlightened. Or maybe you have got nothing to teach?

>>78126298
Yeah, but not even our heavily biased side of the story claims that the islands were ours till the 80s and that the brits invaded it in '81.
Everyone that knows about that history knows that Britain was controlling the islands since around 1833.

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>>78126782

>>78126030
It's one of the best, the only countries that are better or equal to Peru in SA are Argentina, Chile, Colombia and Uruguay.

>>78126828
Explain me where I am wrong?

>>78126837
>Peru in SA are Argentina, Chile, Colombia and Uruguay.
So almost all of them except Brazil, Venezuela and Ecuador?

>>78125876
Maybe our governments weren't commies, and maybe they were actively fighting the commies inside the borders, but that doesn't mean the leftist militias weren't a threat for the constitutional order.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War
That's just for Argentina, and it doesn't even include all the communist movements that began to pop up around the 50s and 60s

>>78126030
And it is, have you ever visited them? Or are you 16 parroting what your Marxist teacher is saying?

>>78126875
Peru has been getting it's shit together for the last 20 years, somehow. China tier GDP growth and what not.

>>78126899
the leftist militias came in reaction to the coups not the opposite, if anything the left was already winning with democracy
>>78126905
Yes I did my friend, I visited all three of them
>>78126952
Yes, Nigeria has also grown a lot the last 20 years, it doesn't say anything

>>78126875
Paraguay, Bolivia, and the Guianas are also part of SA

>>78127011
Too irrelevant to count. No one cares.

>>78127011
Ah yeah, I forgot them

>>78126977
>the leftist militias came in reaction to the coups not the opposite
Montoneros and the ERP outdate our coup by like 10 years bru
>Yes, Nigeria has also grown a lot the last 20
years
We can do an experiment: Peru, goes right wing, starts moving forward. Venezuela, goes full left, goes from having oil monies to essentially dictatorship shithole

>>78127148
>Peru, goes right wing, starts moving forward.
Explain to me how Peru is moving foward?
>Venezuela, goes full left, goes from having oil monies to essentially dictatorship shithole
Venezuela has been full left for quite sometime now, also if things were so bad how come people voted Chavez tons of times? Are you saying that not being a shithole is an objective concept? And that democracy doesn't matter

>>78127259
>Explain to me how Peru is moving foward?
Most of their metrics have improved and been constant for 20 years.
>also if things were so bad how come people voted Chavez tons of times?
>Nationalize oil fields, give gibs to the people, lots of them don't even have to work
>people love it
>vote for it
>industries go to shit, easier to import stuff than it is to invest on it and risk the government taking it all away
>oil prices later go to shit
>"oops!"

>democracy doesn't matter
Never said that. In fact it's Maduro the one that disbanded the congress and gave himself way more powers, while also aligning the supreme court on his favor while also preemptively imprisoning opposing politicians with made up bullshit. Not the stereotype of democracy I have in mind. I actually oppose any kind of powerful government.

>>78127520
people voted for that my friend, if anything it's their problem, if it was working for them so be it. Also you seem to think that oil prices came down simply because it came down, and not due to geopolitics and the US influence on petrodollar and oil producing countries, and not due to Syria and Ukraine war. Commodities went down because those that have economical power over the market wanted so, so they could expand their power even further, also because Russia and China were threatening US supremacy especially on the Middle East and South East Asia.
>Most of their metrics have improved and been constant for 20 years.
Metrics mean nothing, especially when it's about GDP per capita and GDP growth, what matters to the local population if all the wealth go to foreign capitalists who give a shit about the country and simply want to exploit cheap wages and a weak government for more profit?

>>78127824
>people voted for that my friend
Yeah, I'll give you that. But recently, Maduro has been fucking up the democracy in Venezuela left and right. They got invited in, and now refuse to get out, and that's how democracies work, not only can you vote for the guy you like, if that guy is fucking up, you vote against him.

>oil prices came down simply because it came down
>Commodities went down
I know there's an oil cartel that moves those prices around whenver they feel like. Practically everyone knows. And the one I expect it to know especially, is the president of an oil producing country. Chavez tied Venezuela's future to oil prices and fucked up the local commodities manufacturing, fully knowingly the OPEC is a thing. He was either a retard, or wanted this to happen.

>Metrics mean nothing
aight, so this turned into muh ideals discussion now? and Peru's Gini index has also improved for the last 20 years. It's better than Brazil's in fact.

>>78127824
You said you visited Peru..Why would you lie? If you've been there you would know..

>>78128076
Yea they even passed us in Hdi. Been there a couple of times and surprised me how organized and structured Lima is.

>>78128076
>Chavez tied Venezuela's future to oil prices and fucked up the local commodities manufacturing
It was already tied up, it's not every country that can get independence of commodities, especially in a country that is in the middle of the Amazon, with little to none infrastructure and education prospects. You can say they can develop these things, sure but for that, especially in LatAm countries and culture you need a strong government
>Chavez tied Venezuela's future to oil prices and fucked up the local commodities manufacturing, fully knowingly the OPEC is a thing. He was either a retard, or wanted this to happen.
>He was either a retard, or wanted this to happen.
I honestly believe is the second option, any oil-based country needs to take sides in OPEC and needs a strong government to able to have sovereignty. Saudi Arabia and every Middle East country are the best examples of that
>aight, so this turned into muh ideals discussion now?
It is always about ideals, there aren't no objective measures, if anything most measures are about economical terms and not really the well-being or the culture of a certain people. You can honestly see that when the most developed and supposed better countries to live are the most depressed ones. Pushing international objective globalization values over a country that doesn't value the values like most LatAm countries is the same as destroying their own culture and country for money, hence why people vote Lula here, or Chavez in Venezuela or Putin in Russia and the international community can't understand it, because ideology, culture and other subjective values play an important part in it

>>78128383
>If you've been there you would know
know what?

>>78128450
>strong government
This is where I'll disagree the hardest. A strong, all powerful government? Sure, give me that, as long as the politicians in charge are the kind of Übermensch gommies think they are. However, if I've learnt anything reading about Argentina's history is that politicians are just humans. Mediocre as fuck, and I don't want to give full control of a country to someone like that. I used to daydream about it, actually, when I was younger and more left leaning. Grew up out of it when I saw that out of 20 presidents we had, maybe 3 or 4 were remarkably good and forward looking.

>It is always about ideals, there aren't no objective measures
wellp, guess I should go ahead and apply any retarded policy I want. There's no way to tell if it's going to be good or bad, anyways. Nope, not at all.
Reading our history also made me realize that, whenever we got trade deals with the US, we got buttfucked. Asking for fair treatment from the entire world is like asking for pears to the orange tree. You can try, but won't accomplish anything. So you better look out for yourself.

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>>78128504
You are denying that economic indexs matter to the well being of the population (with no evidences). But you also said you been there. If you had been there and talked to the locals you would know that they are happy and the country is doing well ,(according to you that's the only way to evaluate the well being of the people), in which supports the economic indexs data that the country is improving.

tl.dr you are either lying denying that Peru is doing well, or you never been there, in which case you are also lying

>>78128724
>However, if I've learnt anything reading about Argentina's history is that politicians are just humans. Mediocre as fuck, and I don't want to give full control of a country to someone like that
Yes you are right, just like capitalists are humans too, if anything I am simply saying that because the rich in Latin America would rather gain easy money and enjoy life without working than sweating a day of work and promote industrialization of the country with nationalism, sure there are examples of that, but if anything our culture has this settle down and enjoy life aspect really high, if anything politicians, especially when centered in figures that represent something, they usually need to be a "father-figure" of the country and beyond mediocre, because the country expects them so, hence why Lula, Vargas, Perón, all these guys are loved until today in Latin America, our culture expects things to come simply from the sky, from some "god", from some strong person, hence why industrialization in Latin America is more efficient when it's kickstarted by state, due to catholic values. If we were protestant maybe this would be different

>>78128855
You have only been to Lima and maybe Machu Picchu haven't you? I traveled in a motorcycle from Rondônia to Peru, things are so shitty away from the capital that it hurts, also went to bolivia, I went to Chile and Colombia by plane tho. Also people are happy in Latin America not mattering the circumstances, especially when the media says everyday that their country is growing, also when they like Chile and Colombia ride on the backs of Financial Capitalism

>>78128897
You have any data proofs of what you saying? Last 3 lines is complete bullshit

>you now realize America was as terrible for latam as Russia was for ex soviet states

>>78129265
there is no data my friend, it's just the expectations of the population, every person being rich or poor in LatAm, simply wants an easy life without any trouble. Capitalists since they aren't elected nor are expected to do something, are literally free to do whatever they want, including do nothing and solely win easy money and live in luxury, while politicians are expected to something and always charged for their actions. If there is a politician that like a football player is expected to do everything the people want and even more he will be loved and have the power to do whatever he wants including industrializing the country. Catholicism has no respect for capitalists and bosses but it has completely devotion for father figures and people that give them good things

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Devilish bump

>US troops on Brazil

Where? Embassy guards don't count.

>>78125996
>The US made us a favour in 2009 when they kicked that commie out of here

I never understood meme like these: "My country is the poorest and most violent shithole in Latin America and the world but hey, at least we do not have commies", and there are many saying the same thing

>>78126782
>still
>still
>still

>>7812458
USA may be ruthless but commies not accepting their vast number of crimes in the region also irks me to no end.