Hey anglos

because different people have different accents

it's not ay rony

it's ay on ny

>>78113719
I say
>Eye-Yearn

And depending on the sentence
>Eye-yearn-knee
>eye-ruh-knee

So, Idk, OP

>>78113764
Irony is "I RO NEE"
Iron is not pronounced like the same word without the last vowel. Your language is shit.

>>78113730
>>78113764
>>78113821
Stop butchering the English language, you dirty fucking mongrels.

>>78113821
>Eye-Yearn
>eye-ruh-knee
Exactly this

>>78113719
I dont get your point, irony is the same sound as iron just with a y on the end

>>78113719
Because its like's rayyyyyyne

>>78113719
eye-uhn
eye-uhn-ee

>>78114124
It isn't
/ˈaJɚn/
/ˈaJ.ɹə.ni/

>>78114124
bait

>>78114184
>uhn
What do you fucking retards have against the letter r?

>>78114184
Ooo-ggaa
Ooo-ggaa-boo

the english language just does what the fuck it likes, do you really not get this by now

>>78115576
It's not like other anglos know how to pronounce the letter R. Even Mexicans are better at it.

english is truly a retarded language

https://www.theguardian.com/education/shortcuts/2016/jun/07/marjerine-or-marg-arine-how-the-bbc-taught-us-to-talk-proper

>>78115932
>It's not like other anglos know how to pronounce the letter R

scots know how to

>>78115989
True enough

>>78115932
We're literally the best at pronouncing any kind of R

>>78116043
Coquistadors taught you well considering your ancestors didn't have it.

>>78116043
Nah you're still a little soft but it's pretty good.

>>78116043
You've never walked down the streets in Helsinki and hear an angry Finnish scream Perkele!. The hardest R you'll ever here.

t. used to live there.

>>78116214
*Hear
I am tired

>>78116105
>implying everyone is a nah*a shit
Muh ancestors are Mayos and Yaquis, both languages roll their Rs
>>78116114
>>78116214
Got any examples?

>>78116286
I guess I could walk to the computer and vocaroo it if you really care enough. Do you care enough?

>>78116313
I'll fall asleep any moment now tbqh

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>>78116344
I gotchu senpai http://vocaroo.com/i/s19ouXZesGSd

martti
vertti
kortti
tarra
hyrrä
mirri
jarru
manner
penger
haltiajar

raparperipiirakka

ärrän kierrän orren ympäri

>>78113719
I say iron desu.

>>78116566
>raparperi
:3

>>78116607
TMO rabarber

Isn't iron pronounced as /airon/ and irony as /aironi/?

>>78116657
In my head it is.

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>>78116566
>tfw no raspy voice finnish bf

>>78116585
It's hard not to since everyone always said "airön meiden". If it wasn't for Teenage dirtbag by Wheatus I probably never would've realized it

>>78116657
No.

Se on aiörn. https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/File:en-us-iron.ogg

>>78116566
Cool voice
Sounds like most people pronounce their Rs here 2bh
https://youtu.be/ClBujJcpvv0

Goodnight lovely people

>>78116702
But Iron is supposed to be pronounced as airon, isn't it. Why wouldn't it. Sounds retarded to say iorn.

>>78116753
Yeah Spanish has a hard rolling R as well. It makes it pretty easy to learn to pronounce. English is very hard since it has tons of soft consonants and weird sounds that just seem very non-specific to us.

>>78116566
Such a cool language

>>78116726
Jaaha. Depends on the accent.

>>78116755
Nope. If the above link didn't work for you click the play button here: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/iron

Brits do the same, it's not a burger thing.

>>78116701
are you cute?

>>78116789
That's very weird. But I'm guessing it's just something that came later due to retardedness?

>>78116895
For you

>>78117253
If you look anything like the Swedish speaking Finns on the west coast......yeah you're fine!

>>78117288
>tfw no qt finlandssvensk gf

>>78116566
can you say "::::::dddDDD bepin"

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>>78113719
Because English used to be a consistent Germanic language until Latin shit it up during Roman times, Old Norse shit it up during the Danelaw, and Old French shit it up during the Norman Conquest.

I don't expect you to be knowledgeable about Anglo history but this is basic fucking events. 1066 is the most important year for England and English.

>>78113847
>Stop butchering the English language, you dirty fucking mongrels
N.Americans aren't the ones who butchered the language. That would be most of the Brits and their later offspring Bruce.

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>>78116988
Pretty safe to assume so. I bet if you look at how people speak in northern isles of britain you'll find something more logical. They speak more like the old english was and how it is still spelled.

>>78117409
I get the vocabulary from romance languages, but how did they manage to fuck up the spelling-pronouncing relationship?

>>78117372
Those rare sounds are only heard in the wild where jonnes drink ES

>>78117372
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0d6MLihvKrI

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>>78117680
oh no

>>78117562
>tfw no ES

>>78117562
>but how did they manage to fuck up the spelling-pronouncing relationship?
because French, Latin, Old English, and Old Norse had entirely different phonetic systems? this isn't a difficult concept

>>78117680
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s0d6MLihvKrI

holy fuckng shit I can't stop laughing

>>78118200
But French, Latin and Old English aren't that different from German. All of them have a pretty clear connection between spelling and pronouncing.
Is Norse super fucked up or what am I missing?

>>78116771
whe inherited a lot of our phonetics from iberians and basques and they had non indo-european languages

>>78116286
so you basically are called by the mexicas that have nothing to do with you, that sucks

>>78118430
your phonetics come from latin

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>>78113847
>this coming from fucking STRAYA
lmaoing @ ur lyfe

i-ruhn
i-ruh-knee

>>78113719
You unironically mean 'ironic' instead of 'irony' right?

>>78120889
>>78118430
It's a bit more complicated than that. A good chunk of Spanish's phonetics is fairly recent, I can give you guys some examples if you want.

>>78124013
Do you unironically not understand the difference between 'ironic' and 'irony'?

>>78118200
It's mainly due to the Great Vowel Shift and some deletions here and there. Bullshit like C vs. K, G vs. GU are fairly minor.

>>78120889
Yeah, that's why we have the same vowels as the iberians and basques or don't tell apart the b/v

>>78124173
We simplified six phonemes into three around the 17th century, creating the /x/ and the TH sounds. The ñ also didn't exist in latin. Not sure if it existed in vulgar latin considering italians laso have this sound.

>>78124333
There's also the vowel breaking: /ɔ ɛ/ > /we je/ <ue ie>. AFAIK Spanish was the only language that managed to simplify Vulgar Latin's 7 vowels system.

On the <ñ>: Spanish might not have phonemic length, but there are multiple leftovers here and there like <ñ ll rr> vs. <n l r>. However this is a fairly natural development in Romance languages, not something exclusive to Spanish.

>>78120938
m8 at least we speak the proper UK english, we dont butcher it, we just add our own slang and idioms

>>78113719
Because we haven't updated English spelling systematically for centuries. Sorry Finnbro.

>>78124191
'irony' is unironically pronounced differently for the 'iron' part, whereas 'ironic' is not.

>>78124659
>>78124191
I unironically mean the other way round, lack of sleep was unironically the issue here

>>78124659
>>78124693
wew lad

>>78124611
>proper UK - improper USA English
>the language is divided into British English and American English
>both are standardized

t.Straya

>>78113719
Becasue fuck you, non anglo scum

We have a Frankenstein monster of a language and made it the international language of trade.It's illogical, confusing, the rules change, and there is no way to know how to speak it without just knowing random things about 1000's of words

And there is nothing you can do about it

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>>78126033
>we

>>78126033
>and there is no way to know how to speak it without just knowing random things about 1000's of words

Like you have to know 1000's of kanji pronounciations to be able to speak japanese?

>>78124693
>>78124659
ironic and irony are pronounced the same way. look at the pronounciation guide on wiktionary.

>>78126033
I actually don't mind because I've lived in anglo countries and my English is excellent for a foreigner so it just gives me more room to shine. High skill ceiling like the kids say.

>>78113719
>Why the FUCK is iron pronounced like "IORN"

It's not iorn, but iən or iərn. Remember, ə is the most frequently occuring vowel in the English language.

>>78128166
I know. It just fucks me up when a language has pronounciations that aren't part of the alphabet.

>>78113719
>iron pronounced like "IORN"
it's not

>>78128461
Me too. I didn't know ə featured in Slovenian until I was 28 years old. They never taught me it at school, and I thought I was talking in dialect everytime I used it.

>>78128543
it's pretty common in europe, actually.

Ai pörsenälli häff dißaided tu dschast rait Inglisch the wäi thät ai wud rait Dschörmen (with ä fju ädäptäischns tu fit the längwidsch better)
sieh:
ajen
airenie

>>78128490
It is if you don't want to google phonetic alphabets.

>>78129679
it's not pronounced how it's spelt though. how do you pronounce knife?

>>78129794
naif

I understand Iron isn't exactly iorn, but if you had to describe the pronounciation using only the regular alphabet what do you think would be closer than iorn?

>>78130242
ok maybe iern, point was I just wanted to emphasize the lack of audible R after I by turning around the letters

>>78130242
most people would pronounce it "eye-un"

>>78130748
Yeah but they don't sey EE YY EE UU NN.

This is a finnish state of mind.

This is why using ñ,ó,û is good, so people know how to pronounce stuff.

>>78131268
Or you could create an entire language around the rule that every word is pronounced as a simple succession of pronouncing letters if you're autistic enough.

>>78131037
wat

https://youtu.be/cSP_7_wHU80?t=24
this is how we pronounce it, americans tend to pronounce the r slightly more but still not fully

>>78117409
English didn't properly exist around Roman times, and even its descendants wouldn't have been influenced by Latin as the speakers weren't civilised by the Romans.

>>78131802
I know how it's pronounced, that was never the issue.

>>78131945
is the issue that english not very consistent in its pronunciations

>>78132303
The issue is that English is inconsistent in its inconsistencies.

Wew you managed to keep the thread alive

>>78133551
Wasn't me, I even got a good 8 hours of sleep.

>>78133674
Isn't it night there right now?

>>78133771
I'm attempting to reset my sleep schedule. It's easier to go over than to go to bed ahead of time.

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>>78113719
because they're not the same word you dumb cunt
they just happen to be spelt similarly

>>78133940
I skip a night (morning) of sleep to reset my schedule, I can afford to do so because I only fuck it up on vacations

>>78134040
>anglo logic

>>78134122
nah you're just a dumb cunt

it's like the french and how they don't have a word for eighty and instead they say four twenties
illogical

>>78134077
I stay up until noonish, go to bed, wake up late (before midnight) next day go to bed early (18-20) wake up around 3-4am and voilá from there it's just small adjustments. So I essentially skip a day. But yeah it only works on vacations.

>>78134187
And the fact that your language allows for situations where "it's not the same word it's just spelled the same" isn't illogical?

>>78118430
>so you basically are called by the mexicas that have nothing to do with you, that sucks
It's hilarious when people LARP as jaguar warriors n shiet when there were only Nahuas in like 1/3 of the country

>>78134203
I never go to sleep past 8am so I can still go out with friends when I wake

>>78134244
well no, those are all perfectly logical because it's all about context.

ie: close
>Will you please close the window?
or
>That place is fairly close to here.

it's very clear which version of close is being used here, and you'd be hard pressed to find a case where it's actually ambiguous/confusing

>>78134471
But those two words are pronounced identically. I get that words can have more than one meaning but that's totally separate from the issue of words' pronounciation being determined by their etymology.

In binland a sequence of letters is always pronounced the same, no matter what comes before it or after or if it's just a snippet from the middle of the word.

>>78134738
Do you have phonemes written with two letters? Like ch?
Or is it always one letter per sound?

>>78113719
you can pronounce the following all the same:
faggat
fagget
faggit
faggot
faggut

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>>78134187
>it's like the french
>unironically using this sentence to defend your language

>>78134738
>But those two words are pronounced identically
ah no they're not
the first one has a longer oh sound

>>78135175
We have exactly one and it's rare. NG. It's also the only exception to the "pronounced as it's written" rule.
>>78135530
You're imagining things.

>>78134187
We do have a word for eighty, octante(as in Octo), but four twenties became more prevalent because of former languages counting in base 20

>>78136074
>You're imagining things.
Long and short vowels are a thing tho. Denying it is just being obtuse for the sake of it. That's like saying tones don't exist in chinese. Your hear isn't trained for it.

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>>78113719
i always pronounced it as airon

>>78136238
I'm not saying short and long wovels don't exist, I'm saying the word close is pronounced exactly the same in those two contexts.

>>78136317
You and 99% of the Finnish population.

>>78137014
It only makes things worse anyway, but the words are actually pronounced differently:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/close#Verb
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/close#Adjective
The verb is pronounced with a voiced s, the adjective with an unvoiced one. The short/long vowel thing was bullshit, but there is really a difference. But it's only further evidence for why the English language is awful anyway.

>>78138721
Sounds almost like the football player. Damn that's fucked up. Not surprised at all to see once again that the anglos on this board know their own language the worst.

>>78113719
>>78113823
>[the English] language is shit.
If you already knew the answer, why did you ask?

>>78116701
Just fucking kys, faggot!

>>78139928
How do you know it wasn't a girl. I like to think it was a girl.

>>78140053
Girls don't spam their desire for a boyfriend, any boyfriend, out of context on 4chan. Only attention whoring faggots do.

>>78140150
What if she's chubby?

>>78140185
Look, it's not a girl. Just trust me on this, ok?

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>>78140251
me on the left