>Americans think free healthcare is bad

There's no free lunches

I would rather shell out money for private insurance than pay for a poor person's beetus medication

>>78100405
>Implying insurances companies don't put it deep in your American asses

>>78100286
>free
This meme again?

Do Europeans that work even know how much in taxes they pat every month for healthcare?

what if they're sick and they can't pay? they get thrown out to the streets? that's disgusting

>>78100570
>they get thrown out to the streets?
No, they get it for """free""" from my tax money

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>>78100494
Less than Americans
But it's fucking stupid to call it free since it's paid by the taxpayers

>>78100286
Universal healthcare is not free

>>78100405
>He doesn't understand how insurance works

>>78100286
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE COMMUNISM

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>>78100460
The insurance companies, pharmaceutical manufacturers, and hospitals all do this to make care that's worse than about all other western nations. In short, we pay more for even less

>>78100570
I've met a surprising number of people who think this is okay but also think any form of abortion is murder.

>>78100637
Does this mean people here will think Turkey is the best when it comes to healthcare?

>>78100494
here it's called sanità pubblica (public sanity)

we know it's not free, still thousand miles better than your system wheter you like it or not (unless you're a millionaire, then bravo to you)

>>78100744
Nope, since the quality of care is also a thing we care about.

>>78100772
I make 60,000 a year and pay 3,200k for my healthcare, not sure how that compares

>>78100286
It's not free though.

The American might actually work a bit, if the American state didn't basically ignore cartels and have large corporations protected more by law and institutions than individual citizens.

Basically, surgery, meds, simply seeing a doctor are all a lot more expensive because health care is something that people simply can't do without. Since people will buy it any way, you need to stimulate competition between health care providers (which is hard in this field) or regulate the prices of health care by law, which they don't do properly.

The insurance companies also have a mindset of preferring to fight every expensive claim instead of simply helping people, and ask too high prices, also because of a protected market and lack of government regulation.

>>78100286
Well we have free Healthcare and is shit

>>78100738
Did Obamacare make things better though?

>>78100946
Not for people that already had healthcare, it made theirs prices per month go up.
Obamacare is for a small % of us

>>78100879
The American system*

>>78100946
No, it gave people a lot of care which is amicable, but it also injected a lot of people into in already broken system and caused the biggest economy in the US to have even more inflated prices.

>>78101007
>it made theirs prices per month go up
Oh. I understand why people were so angry about it then.
>a small % of us
Yeah, but isn't it the poorest people?

>>78100744
It just shows it's cheaper doesn't say anything about the quality or lack thereof, which is normal if you ask me since everything here is cheaper than most other countries on that chart.

>>78101119
>Yeah, but isn't it the poorest people?
No, they can't afford it, they get Medicaid or Medicare

>>78101076
ok, jeez. It looked like a good thing seen from here.

Why do americans think tax funded healthcare is a bad thing? You have tax funded public schools for example
Even the piss poor countries have some kind of public healthcare system

>decide to try and get my mental issues resolved
>schedule meeting at local hospital
>some indian fuck who can barely speak english reads off a checklist asking me if I exercise, if I am suicidal, etc.
>total time - less than an hour
>receive bill
>insurance covers $40, remaining amount is $360

>>78101289
>Why do americans think tax funded healthcare is a bad thing?
We already have this for poor people
>You have tax funded public schools for example
Yes, and private pay schools are better

>>78100570
That's the most hilarious part of the American system. If you grow so sick that you require emergency medical treatment the you will get treated by law but now are indebted for the rest of your life which you will hardly be able to pay off.

So these uncessary and unpaid costs will be carried by the normally insured in form of higher premiums and worse healthcare plans.

So in the end normal Americans who claim they won't want to pay for others' health care still pay and they pay more than they otherwise would have to under a universal system. Their system is completely broken.

>>78101355
>We already have this for poor people
Why is it not for normal people as well?

>>78101381
>by law but now are indebted for the rest of your life
You sure about that?
I know a guy with no job, never worked, has no assets, no health insurance, he had open heart surgery and owes nothing.

>>78101427
If you are able to pay for health insurance, you pay.

>>78101492
That doesn't make much sense. Why do poor people get a free ride but rest has to be pay?

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>>78101452
>I know a guy
Lmao. Anecdote alert.

>>78101691
If they filed for bankruptcy they don't pay, it clears their debt
Some people file for bankruptcy over car loans

>>78100286
>free

>>78101758
>don't pay
Those who are footing the bill are normally insured people like you with higher premiums and worse health care plans. The insurances, hospitals and whatever have to get the money somewhere. So claiming 'I don't want to pay for others' health care is stupid and ignorant.

You are already doing that. An chunk of your premiums goes to pay the costs created by these bankrupcies.

In a universal system this cycle wouldn't exist.

>>78101917
>You are already doing that.
We know this

What % of Germans have private healthcare insurance?

>>78101969
Full insurance? About 10% of the population.

>>78102094
Not sure what you mean by full, but I know a guy in Germany (another anecdote) that has private health insurance for his family and I never asked him why.

>>78102216
If the German system is anything like ours. The private care is funded by the employer and gets you faster to dentists and to a doctor GP and some specialist depends on the contract.
Surgeries, cancer treatment etc. is funded by the taxes.

Private insurance just means you can go to private clinic and the employers covers it

>>78100309
There literally are though

>>78102216
>Not sure what you mean by full
Well, the public insurers have a certain catalog of things they will pay for. For example, if not medically necessary(i.e. you didn't faceplant during a car crash and now your whole jaw has to be reconstructed) they won't pay for total teeth implants and prefer fillings. So it's possible to get an additional private dental insurance just for that, addtional coverage on top of a public insurance. There also are private travel insurances and so on.

In order to opt out of the public insurance system you either have to be a judge or another form of civil servant, an enterpreneur or otherwise self-employed(artist, journalist) or earn more than a certain income threshold.

>>78102550
>In order to opt out of the public insurance system
In order to totally opt out of the public insurance system*

>>78102438
>>78102550
Okay, I think I get it
He owns a Shcreinerei, he is not rich, it might be because he now has kids

>>78102550
This. The public healthcare just pays the critical stuff.
Like for example you'd have to have really fucked up teeth to qualify for braces. If it weren't for private insurance I wouldn't get braces when

>>78102774
>He owns a Shcreinerei
Yeah, so as a business owner he has to purchase private insurance for himself.

>>78102824
>he has to
Wow, I did not know that, but he pays a lot of taxes, and employs about 8 people. It seems like he would be able to be on public if he wanted it.

>>78102799
>I wouldn't get braces
From the national insurance

>>78101355
>Yes, and private pay schools are better

Not really.

>>78102890
It's not the subject but : do you know how many cost an average public shcool per month in the USA?

>>78102890
Oh, nevermind, someone answered to me on another thread.

>>78102890
Sorry, that's wrong. I sent that to early. If you are self-employed you have the freedom to choose your own degree of insurance. As normally employed person you are obligated to be publically insured or in some way insured but as a business owner you have no obligation to be insured.

This means you can either choose to be insured the same way your employees are insured, publically or if you have the money you can purchase a private insurances that gives you more bang for the buck.

>>78102890
I mean, I don't know what kind of business he had. If he was making exclusively commissioned and hand-made furniture(who doesn't buy IKEA-style factory-made furniture these days) then he might have had enough money to be able to buy are more covering private insurance.

>>78103214
I guess healthcare is too complicated for everybody. I wish it wasn't.

>>78103312
His specialty is restoring very old stuff