I'm learning Cyrillic...

дyмб пpoкcи

latin alphabet is supperior

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>>78078026
Interesting fact
The Cyrillic alphabet is a copy of the Greek alphabet made by a priest named Cyril

Just another way of writing, nothing wrong about it.

>>78078108
эл aycтpaлиAHO

>>78078026

It only takes you like two hours at maximum. Japanese is way worst and I would rather learn Chinese or Korean.

>>78078576

Japanese is shit, but why Korean?

Chinese is confusing af

>>78078108
*дaмб.
I think it's better to write things phonetically correct when you use Cyrillic.

>>78078026
In some way it is true, it's just an adapted Greek alphabet after all. But same goes for Latin, as far as I remember it was also just a copy of Greek writing system.

>>78078026

well, provided it is based on greek and lating alphabets and includes specific letters fitting the slavic vocabulary I say it's right on the spot.

>>78078317
>The Cyrillic alphabet is a copy of the Greek alphabet made by a priest named Cyril
Interesting fact, you are full of shit and Cyril was not involved in the creation of the Cyrillic alphabet.Cyril and his brother created the Glagolic.

Here.Educate yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrillic_script

>>78078317

Jesus fucking crist, what do they teach you in school ? Cyril and Methodius made the glagolic script and were sent to Moravia to try to pry them out of the catholic grip.

The mission essentually failed after their death and their disciples were persecuted and jailed, some find refuge in Bulgaria, where they created the cyrilic script named to honor their teacher.

>>78078656
>I think it's better to write things phonetically correct when you use Cyrillic.
>writes it *дaмб
It is *дъмб, just like you.

>>78078785
>Belarus
>what do they teach you in school ?
Whatever the chieftain in the Kremlin tells them to teach.

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Tхиc бълщит бaтхёpт. ЛOЛ

>>78078795
>дъмб
Fuck ugly Bulgarian language, it's ДAMБ and it's the only way to write it.
>writes ъ after д
>therefore his language sounds like ugly Chechen language with guttural sounsd
Nasty tatar.

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>>78078754
Where exactly was I wrong?

I am greek fucktard

>>78079049

this is how the word dumb actually fucking sounds

you have spelled damb it means nothing

>>78079084

When the cyrilic was created cyril was dead, thus the claim he created it is a bit void, don't you think ?

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>>78079049
>Fuck ugly Bulgarian language
Blyadimir plz,an uneducated ape like you should keep quiet and squat in the corner, like the subhuman gopnik peasant you are.

>>78079084
See this >>78079135

>>78079105
>*дaмб

He spelled dahmb, not damb

>>78078026
Cyryllic is musch easier then hiragana, katakana and those crazy ass kanjis

глaз yзкий я pyccкий

>>78079187
>He spelled dahmb, not damb
No he did not.
дaхмб=/=дaмб=/=дъмб

>>78079187

well, ah dose not equals u however you spin it around

u in dumb literally sounds like ъ

>>78079187
дoмб

not even kidding

dumb - /dʌm/

you orthodox niggers are pretty stupid to pronounce that B at the end

>>78078785
бългapcки butthurt
>>78079135
The alphabet of Cyril and Methodius was taken as a basis, and his students modified it
end.

Glagolica > cyrillica

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>>78079305
>The alphabet of Cyril and Methodius was taken as a basis, and his students modified it
end.
AHAHAHAHA!!!

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how do you pronounce /ʌ/? let's look at the chart

/ʌ/ is pronounced just like /ɔ/ (default "o" sound for Poles and Slovaks), just without rounding your lips

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>>78079305

>and his students modified it

they did a hell of a job maintaining the original

Greek alphabet itslef is a retarded version of the phenician one, wich is itself a retarded version of hyeroglyphic

>>78079239
>>78079240
It's the same as with Latin alphabet - just because the letters look the same doesn't mean they sound the same in different languages.
"ъ" in Russian is not like a short "a" (or short "u") - it's just a stop there, like an apostrophe.

Also, despite the overall rudeness here, I totally agree that Russian transliterations are terrible. For English and Japanese, at least.

>>78079381

well, unlike the phonician one, greeks have vowels

>>78079432
You got a point. It's an evolution.

>>78079421
this desu, the autism in this thread is off the charts.

>>78079240
>u in dumb literally sounds like ъ
ъ is not a sound by itself.

It's simple, just sing it like the alphabet

A B B T A E E
X 3 N N K J I
M H O N P C T
Y o X U 4 W W
B B L B 3 I O R

>>78079461
It is, here.
Repeat after me.
пъдпъдък
ъгъл
ъ
Ъ

>>78079488
PЯEKЯATN

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>>78079365
Many letters are really similar, many letters have been removed, many are simplified
And your comparison is incorrect, it is necessary to compare with writing that time, and not with modern Cyrillic alphabet
For example, some of the verbic letters had been used unchanged for some time

>>78079288
This, east Slavs cannot into English.

Questions for Russians and Bulgars.
What is the point of я, ю, e and ё, when you can write it as йa, йy, йe and йo?

>>78079843
You save space,the sound is shorter and slightly different.You also wouldn't want to have German memes like *tsch* that equals *ч*.

>>78079843
P.S. *e and ё* Do not exist in Bulgarian in those forms(йe and йo).We don't have *ё*.

>>78079843
It's more like jä (ä like in finnish), jü, jä (ä like in german) and jö

>>78079908
>>78079955
Ok, thanks. One more question, why do Serbians use the letter j, but you guys use й?

>>78080054
>ü
>ö
Hmm, that's weird, it doesn't sound to me like those sounds.

>>78079843
There wouldn't be smooth transition in words like zarya (зapя), myod (мёд)

>>78078026
ит oc нoт тхaт хapд дyммы

>>78079843
>>78079908
>the sound is shorter and slightly different
same for Russian.

Also, this is nothing. If you want to know about true redundancy you should check out Hebrew.

>>78079843
Why not? These combinations occur a lot.
Зaщищaющийcя is a lot simpler to write than зaщищajyщийcja.

>>78079519
>ъ sound
I've read somewhere that this sound is only found in Slovenian and Bulgarian (among slavic languages). It's the schwa sound, but we don't write it as a specific letter, it's usually written as e or not written at all.

зic тpeд iз piлi мeйкc мi ciнк

>>78080067
You should be asking why are they not the ones using *Й*.I am guessing, they made that change to differentiate themselves from us.

>>78080167
Okay, I thought it has a slightly different pronounciation.

>>78080167
What? We use Й

ja pierdolę przyjdzie jeden z drugim taki "słowianin" ergo brudas jakiś post-mongoloidalny potomek ordyńców czy innych jeszcze gorszych brudasów i zaczyna pierdolić ludziom dobrej woli jak kto powinien mówić czy też zapisywać to co powiedział dosłownie kurwa dramat tak się nie da żyć zrozumcie to quod erat demonstrandum gdyby debile jebane ruskie tak doskonale językiem swoim się posługiwały to by nie trzeba było zgadywać jak rozczytać te ich znaczki bo hyhy tu akcent inaczej pada cyka blyat) czy inne chuje muje no weźcie jebnijcie się w łeb

>>78080203
Serbians don't, Russians do.

>>78080223
Oh, 4chan just lagged, I thought it was a reply to a different post.

>>78080155
>we don't write it as a specific letter
You don't have the words for it.Try writing *пъдпъдък* without it and tell me how it goes :^)

>>78080206
>przyjdzie
Don't poles see how bad their writtings are?

I learned Georgian alphabet 8 years ago. Not sure why exactly, but I still find their writing and language great.

>>78080262
>You don't have the words for it
We have, smrt for example is smъrt, sem is sъm, dež is dъž. пъдпъдък would probably be written in Slovene as pedpdek or pdpdek. ek at the end of the word is usually read as ъk. If there is no vowel in between consonats that cant be pronounced one after another fluently, we just add the ъ sound (as in case with pd combination).

>>78080262
>>78080478
Also, the first d in пъдпъдък could be pronounced as t sound.

>>78078785
they came on request they were not sent

>>78080067
>>78080167
some people consider й an ugly letter for some reason

cyяillic iз eaзy

cyrillic script is really great and straight forward. plus, you can apply it to most languages without creating an orthographic mess unlike latin script.

greek however seems to be a bit messy for employing multiple signs for the same phonetic value. still puzzling.

I've been here for a week and nobody use cyrillic except old farts. Still %40 of the signs are includes cyrillic.

T. Turk

>>78080569
>some people consider й an ugly letter
you've got to be kidding

>>78080514
>Also, the first d in пъдпъдък could be pronounced as t sound.
Soft 'д' but never 'т'.That would change the meaning.
>>78080478
>pedpdek or pdpdek
We have a letter for every sound that we use in every word.What you suggest would make Bulgarian closer to English and their meme words, where you have no idea what is happening unless you have the transcribtion.

>It's slavs fighting over alphabet again
Tyпыe cyки

>>78081388
I'm talking for the slovene language, we have some pretty weird rules for pronounciation. Or lack of them, actually. Nevertheless, most words are still pronounced as they are written, we only have problems with e, l and v. (and sometimes d->t, ž->š etc)

>>78081498
Maybe you should try out our system and Cyrillic.
I mean, it was specifically created to accommodate the needs of Slavic languages.

That probably won't happen but i am still throwing it out there as a suggestion.

>>78081608
P.S. as a side note i am still baffled at the way Germans use the Latin script.They could really help themselves if they replace all those massive dumps of letters:
>tsch
>sch

serbian cyrillic is the best form tbqh

>>78082074
Think its cause we reformed it in 1860

>>78081703
it's not that easy lad. cyrillic isn't an option plainly because its cultural origin ie it's more suited for eastern languages (east slavic, indigenous asian langs) than for western ones. using diacritics like š and č aren't options either. they're not made for western languages and would just look weird. a gothic script revival or runes with modifications to various letters would be quite appealing but highly unlikely.

those trigraphs and pentagraphs are only possible due to historical reasons in orthography. <ch> represents the voiceless palatal fricative /ç/ while <sch> sounds exactly like s + ch (outcome: /ʃ/, like english <sh>) and tsch is just t + s + ch (outcome: /t͡ʃ/, like english (<ch>). digraph <sh> isn't possible in german because in most cases s and h together are regarded as separate phonemes and pronounced separately. and as for <ch> for /t͡ʃ/ isn't possible because it's already set for another phoneme.
it's not easy.

Of the languages written in Cyrillic letters, I feel that the best for the Japanese is the Ukrainian language.
Because pronunciation is very obedient for notation.

>>78080267
it's as bad as Gaelic desu

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>>78082074
this desu

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>>78082220
Cлaвa Укpaїнi!

>not writing in IPA symbols

>>78082465
>das nat rait inglis tis vei
hau kän somvan bii sou ritaarded tät tei dount rait laik tis? soutlaaffings

>>78082220
Naschjo yapontsiam ukrajinsjka? Tsia mova ne maje ni majbutnioho ni tepereschnioho

>>78082369
i like serbia

>>78082571
Zatelefonuvav v SBU, zaraz za toboyu pryyidutʹ

>>78082571
>>78082220
Really tho, Ukrainian is useless, every Ukrainian in the world, or almost every Ukrainian (90%) speak fluent or semi-fluent Russian, if you learn Russian you can speak with Ukrainians, Belarussians, something like 70% Moldovans, coupla Polish, Czech and Romanian old dudes here and there, Kazakhs, Armenians and Georgians (50%?) etc.

Ukrainian isn't even that interesting really, in some ways it's similar to Polish, kinda phonetically similar to Czech and Slovak too, but it's mostly just Russian

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>>78078785
>glagolic script
Holy shit, it looks like one of those sci-fi/fantasy scripts that are far more complicated and detailed than any practical real script.

>>78082660
Poky vony do mene dojidutj ja vzhe budu v Meksytsi, ti kljati pidory tiljky j mozhutj schjo pyzdyty bjudzhet krajiny

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>>78082698
>that v

>>78082698
It looks like the script from the Witcher. You know why? Because it mostly is.

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>>78082698

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>>78082591

>>78078317
it was created by one of his students (Климeнт Oхpидcки) and named in his honour

>muh gr influence
everybody was studying in konstantinopol

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>>78082846
>tfw you will never celebrate бoжић with serbians while a gypsy is playing the accordion like in https://youtu.be/1ZAkEfOSKnQ
why even live

>>78083168
>Климeнт
и Hayм и Aнгeлapий мoжe би?

>>78083503
dunno

wasnt there to watch them fapping each other

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>>78080139
>Зaщищaющийcя
>zaschischayuschiysya

What the fuck is a щ?

>>78079843
Because śe, sje and śje are three different sound combinations

>>78084178
ш + т

>>78084178
шь in Russian, although it's more like a шшь

>>78084178
sh in shit

>>78084660
As opposed to the sh in rash?
I thought it was a sh sound followed by a ch sound.

>>78084748
In Russian щ is literally 1 to 1 like sh in shit, but in the other languages it sounds different

>>78084748
In Ukrainian, not Russian. Although it can either be шч or шь in Ukrainian as well.
In Old Russian it was a шт sound but it became шшь at the end.

>>78084816
Yeah but what's the difference between the щ and ш in Russian?

>>78084845
>In Old Russian it was a шт sound
No.

>>78084748
soften sh
ш - sheep
щ - shit

>>78084748
>>78084927
the 'shch' transliteration as far as I know is from the times it was pronounced like that
but today
ш is /ʂ/ i.e. retroflexive
щ is /ɕː/ i.e. postalveolar and also longer a bit

>>78084945
English doesn't work that way, fám

>>78084945

what's up with russian and softening everything

it's a ш+т sound

>>78084442
I thought that ce and cьэ produced the same sound, I guess that doesn't explain cьe though.

>>78085040
>cьэ
What is that even supposed to mean?

cэ = hard [s] + [e] (2 sounds)
ce = soft [s'] + [e] (2 sounds)
cъe = hard [s] + [j] + [e] (3 sounds)
cьe = soft [s'] + [j] + [e] (3 sounds)

>>78084945
>щ - shit
no

ш - shit

>>78084984
Our щ is like modern standart polish ś but longer a bit

>>78083293
>eastern europe the video

>>78082074
>bastardisation
yeah no

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>>78083293
>snow
wtf i thought there's no winters in balkanlar

>>78085982
>no winters in balkanlar
are you fukin kidding?

>winter snow time has decreased a lot in the last 20 yrs tho

>>78085982
>-32 Celsius
>on average it drops down to -25 every year in my town
>no winters
Whot ya talkin bout m8???Not only that but as a bonus we get 41+ in the summer.

>>78084930
It was tho: Бyквa щ пpoизнocилacь кaк [шч]/[шт] - coхpaнилocь вo мнoгих cлaвянcких языкaх.
(cypc: duolingo)
Boт вики: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Щ

>>78085040
>>78085364
4 different sounds indeed:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1dOPDlKybdl

>>78086486
No, шт is the Bulgarian reflex of Proto-Slavic šč, not the Russian one. It was never pronounced that way here.

>>78086780
I'm talking about Old Russian, from 800-900 years ago. It was, it was pronounced both ШЧ and ШT, also, Old Russian was heavily influenced by Old Church Slavonic (Ancient Bulgarian) so there's no wonder in that.

>>78086959
>it was pronounced both ШЧ and ШT
No, it wasn't.

>Old Russian was heavily influenced by Old Church Slavonic
1. The spoken language of that period of time hadn't been spoiled by the Church Slavonic influence yet.
2. Church Slavonic was a written language only. If they wrote this sound combination like шт then we'd probably have some words including it now (just like we use oдeждa instead of the proper Russian form oдёжa), but since Щ doesn't give you any information about how it's supposed to be pronounced, they just read it the East Slavic way (шч) even when they preached in churches.

>>78078026
the point is ... we must accept "as is" in learning.a language.
then you don't have to abuse it

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>>78084984
>tfw /ɕː/ is represented by tj, k, ke, kä, kj, ki, ky, ch and sh in your language (but not in all words) instead of by one character

głagolica was made to suit slavic phonetics, rest in pierogi.

cyrillic is made in china garbage and I'm glad we use latin instead.

>>78085651
Holy shit it's the first time someone from Russia admits that щ and ś sound alike.
Every retard so far insisted that щ somehow fucking transliterated to szcz or śćbecause anglos due to complete lack of phonetic abilities transliterate to shch.

I can die in peace now.

>>78088436
>sucking the papal cock
good for you mate

https://pollmill.com/f/what-is-the-size-of-sari-kato-s-nipple-ygafepw/answers/new.html

щи and шци are different sounds?

>>78088521
somehow better to sucking Ogcür cock?

Can I have some of that nuclear grade autism lads?

>>78088548
yes , distinctly different

sht-i and sh-c-i

>>78088576
at least it's not old and shrivelled :^)
are you a time traveler though?

>>78088663
tapanar toi pita za ruskata kirilica we da eba oligofrena ti

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>cyrillic is made in china garbage and I'm glad we use latin instead.
>meanwhile, glagolica actually looks like Chinese pictograms

LOOK, IT'S A HOUSE! I'D ACTUALLY HAVE TO DRAW A HOUSE JUST TO WRITE JO IF I USED THE SUBHUMAN VOWELIC ALPHABET (SYLLABARY)

>>78088831
Damn, so latin is superior?
Who fucking knew.

>>78088704
>ooga booga
where did he hint that

>>78087757
> Church Slavonic was a written language only.
It wasn't tho. First of all, it wasn't only used by the clergy, but by the people in power too, and managed to penetrate the spoken atm language in many ways even by the 10th century already and trust me, these guy knew how to pronounce it correctly

>>78088997
t. Gregorz Brzenczyszczykiewicz

Enjoy using your retarded orthography

P.S: Czech alphabet is much better than yours, when will you swallow your pride and adopt theirs as the only one true latin slav alphabet?

I shit you not. There are some bulgarian "scholars" and some "studies" based on "fact" that Kyril and Methodius were bulgarians. Can u imagine this shit?

Its like parallel reality. And these gypsies believe this shit.

Like, really,
Gřegoř vs. GRZEGORZ
Břenčyščykievič vs. BRZENCZYSZCZYKIEWICZ

>>78089162
Our orthography is a way more harder. We write kogo and say kavo.

t. can speak Polish

>>78089479
There are only a couple of rules for that in Russian and they always work. So Russian orthography is still easier than Polish

>>78089254
The Croatian Gajic alphabet is better still.
>Gřegoř vs. GRZEGORZ vs. Gžegož
>Břenčyščykievič vs. BRZENCZYSZCZYKIEWICZ vs. Bženčiškijevič

>>78089642
Not for us.

vjol vjot

You have to read first word as "v'ol", but second as " v'jot".

So croatian alphabet isn't usefull for us.

We have our own meme latin, but most people even don't know about it.

This is how it looks. Vot kak eto vyglĭadit.

>>78089162
How the fuck is it harder than Ґжeґoж Бжeнчишчикeвiч?
Oh right you're just parroting someone elses clueless opinions.

English has digraphs, French has digraphs, German has digraphs, Italian has digraphs but somehow only in Polish those are a problem. Weird, isn't it?

>>78089536
"it's okay when Russian does it".
What's the difference between дyхи and дyхи then mister linguist?

>>78089642
>>Gřegoř vs. GRZEGORZ vs. Gžegož
what do you do with rz that only appears in some forms then?
as in morze -> morski or dobry -> dobrze

>>78089763
I don't get your point. In Slovene too, it's
>morje -> morski
>dober -> dobro

different forms have different sounds to each other. The only problem is that rz is not quite ž afaik, that there is a slight r sound that's sort of like the r sound in German, and the gajica has no solution to this because this sound does not appear in South Slav.

>>78089763
they probably leave it as r.

>>78089068
>First of all, it wasn't only used by the clergy, but by the people in power too
So, like 0.001% of the population? Anyway, it's rather a myth than anything else. Church Slavonic was considered too sacred to use it on a daily basis, and they wouldn't be able to reproduce it authentically either way.

http://www.naslednick.ru/archive/rubric/rubric_2848.html

>managed to penetrate the spoken atm language in many ways even by the 10th century already
There's only one source representing the spoken language of the time - the birch bark letters, and they show little to none CS impact on them. Not even mentioning that most people were probably still pagans at that time.

>these guy knew how to pronounce it correctly
Where the hell were they supposed to know that from? Where were they even supposed to get the idea that it has to be pronounced in a certain special way, if it came here as a written language?

>>78089719
German orthography is retarded with these digraphs and trigraphs, but only because of them, it's just a complete mess.
English is and will always be retarded when it comes to orthography.
Italian only has two digraphs but they're diphtongs as well, like gl/gn, and u mostly see gl in words like gli/glie/medaglie etc., I mean, it's quite rare to see them if not in the articles, but yeah, I'd have preffered if Italian adopted the Spanish "gn".
French is just as retarded as English is, but it's due to them speaking a Latin that was mixed with their native celtic pronounciation and later became Old French.

As you see, Polish isn't the only one. Also, are you retarded? Using Ukrainian to validate your point? Ukrainian, is like, the language with the most logic in it's Orthography, and you compare it to POLISH? Jesus Christ Grzegorz.

>>78090290
>Using Ukrainian to validate your point?
No different than Russian in this case.

What a shitty non-argument.

>>78089980
>I don't get your point.
My point is that you shouldn't replace RZ with Ž even if the pronunciation is the same
because you would ignore the consistency of spelling word stems
as an example Bóg is pronounced Buk but the spelling reflects that other forms of the word have an audible g and a change from u to o e.g. z Bogiem
so you'd get Može -> Morski where the R just kind of appears in the stem
Whereas Moře -> Morski shows the change properly

>The only problem is that rz is not quite ž afaik
RZ == Ż in Modern Polish
in Czech it's R+Ž at the same time

>>78089719
>>78090108
>but somehow only in Polish those are a problem. Weird, isn't it?
The only thing that comes to my mind as a difference is that Polish uses both accents(just like Czech) and digraphs at the same time

what people like to propose is taking the caron from Czech
so instead of CZ x Ć, you'd get Č x Ć, because making the visual difference smaller is
somehow supposed to be better and miraculously solves the issue the have with it

>>78089719
> "it's okay when Russian does it".
What's the difference between дyхи and дyхи then mister linguist?

What's your point here? You blame us for not using stress marks? I've never seen you using em either.

>>78090181
> Where the hell were they supposed to know that from? Where were they even supposed to get the idea that it has to be pronounced in a certain special way, if it came here as a written language?

Just like the high elite in the Roman Empire knew how to pronounce Greek like Greeks do, Russian elite knew how to pronounce OCS. Come on, they had teachers specialized in it, teaching it to their kids.

>managed to penetrate the spoken atm language in many ways even by the 10th century already
There's only one source representing the spoken language of the time - the birch bark letters, and they show little to none CS impact on them. Not even mentioning that most people were probably still pagans at that time.

I actually dug into it a little more and saw that you were right after all, the amount of those written in OCS and even in Old Russian with a little OCS is low af. I apologise

>>78090703
>Bóg is pronounced Buk
It's pronounced bug. Voiced phone becomes voiceless (ie g turns into k) when it's predecessed by a naturally voiceless phone because human voice chords cannot switch between voiced/voiceless fast enough.

Truly an alien language.

>>78090426
> reeee your argument is shit
> *throws shit on own head and runs in circles*

>>78090845
>You blame us for not using stress marks? I've never seen you using em either.
Because they're unnecessary. Stress in Polish is always on the penultimate syllabe.

>>78090879
Non-argument.

>>78090907
> Because they're unnecessary. Stress in Polish is always on the penultimate syllabe.
And in Russian it's easily, instantly recognieable from the context.

So guess what? Non-argument.

>>78090991
>And in Russian it's easily, instantly recognieable from the context.
Stress? A native knows where to put a stress because he uses the language from childbirth. It's as natural to him as is polish ortography to a pole.
No fucking way you're going to tell me where a stress belongs if it's the first time you see a word in Russian. So stop pretending to be a magician.

>>78091070
*throws a spell that sets your asshole on fire*

>>78091306
pssshh, niente personale capretto

>>78078026
Oh cool, what will you be doing tomorrow?

>>78090877
it's not 'bug' but 'buk', since the g gets devoiced because it's at the end of the word
this is called "Final-obstruent devoicing" and almost all Slavic languages have it

what your post talks about is Voicing assimilation, this is the 'you can't have a voiced and unvoiced consonant right next to each other' thing
it also works both ways, but it can be language dependent whether progressive or regressive assimilation is used more

a Czech example is 'shodit'
In the west you hear 'schodit' -> H devoiced into CH
while in the east some people say 'zhodit' -> S voiced into Z

>>78090907
>Stress in Polish is always on the penultimate syllabe.
not always
napisalibyśmy, byliśmy, gramatyka, szczegóły for a few examples of not having penultimate stress

the first two are easily explained since those
are essentially two words written as one
i.e. verb + auxilliary verb
using Czech as a kind of helping tool
napisalibyśmy -> CZ napsali bychom
if you divide it the same way (napisali byśmy) the stress IS actually penultimate

same with byliśmy (CZ byli jsme -> byli śmy)
don't know about the rest though

>>78090845
>Russian elite knew how to pronounce OCS. Come on, they had teachers specialized in it, teaching it to their kids.
And where were these "teachers" supposed to get the idea that щ has to be pronounced like something other than the way they did it in normal life?

>Taкжe нaблюдaeтcя paзличиe в пpoизнoшeнии бyквы Щ. B cтapocлaвянcкoм языкe щ пpoизнocилocь кaк шт, a в вocтoчнocлaвянcкoм извoдe цepкoвнocлaвянcкoгo — кaк шч.
>https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4_%D1%86%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%8F%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA%D0%B0
kek

>>78091375
*desintegrates you with a lvl80 lightning bolt*

>>78091858
>B cтapocлaвянcкoм языкe щ пpoизнocилocь кaк шт
We still use it as 'шт'.I can't think of a single word where 'шч' is needed.

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>>78090991
>And in Russian it's easily, instantly recognieable from the context.

Sg.Nom - Sg.Gen - Pl.Nom - Pl.Gen
spor - spóra - spóry - spórov
stol - stolá - stolý - stolóv
nos - nósa - nosý - nosóv
zub - zúba - zúby - zubóv
gvozdj - gvozdĭá - gvózdi - gvozdéj

>>78079376
V looks like a dick

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>>78078026
it's not real alphabet, Russian alphabet has a more letters.
Japan copied chinese language and turns it into japanese language, like Americans lol.

>>78086079
>Winters
>The balkans
Literally get tae fuck